The sanctioned punishment of climate skeptics becomes more than just a few aberrant ideas, and is following some historical parallels
First, I loathe having to write essays like this, but I think it is necessary given the hostile social climate now seen to be emerging.
Yesterday, WUWT highlighted the NYT cartoon depicting killing “deniers” for having a different opinion, today I want to highlight Naomi Orekses and Suzanne Goldenberg, who seem seem to like the idea of having climate “deniers” arrested under RICO act for thought collusion, all under the approving eye of the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs at Harvard.
Watch the video: The RICO quote is about 1:12:30 in the video. Note that none of the panelists blinks an eye at the suggestion. They are all smiling after Oreskes finishes.
From the description of the video:
The science is clear: drastic global climate change due to human activities threatens our planet. Yet, a well-funded international campaign continues to deny the scientific consensus, foment public doubt and oppose action. The media—especially social media—have helped fuel false controversy and climate skepticism. How can climate change communication be improved?
Panel discussion with:
Suzanne Goldberg, U.S. Environment Correspondent, The Guardian
Dr. Naomi Oreskes, Professor of the History of Science, Harvard University
Dr. Peter Frumhoff, Director of Science & Policy, Union of Concerned Scientists
Moderated by:
Cristine Russell, Senior Fellow, Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs’ Environment and Natural Resources Program
Introduction by:
Henry Lee, Director, Belfer Center’s Environment and Natural Resources Program
February 13, 2014
Of course, no prominent climate skeptics were invited to give a counterpoint, though WUWT does make an appearance.
An actual quote from Goldenberg in the video at 2:50
“I don’t know what CAGW was”
This makes me wonder just how competent she is to write about the topic. The irony is completed full circle though. At 2:20 she claims WUWT “actually isn’t about science” while our “best science blog” banners are projected near her head and while highlighting Justin Gillis, tell us again about “the Bigger Picture” (an opinion piece) and A relationship between Sea Ice Anomalies, SSTs, and the ENSO? (a science piece).
At least we know they are reading WUWT.
Goldenberg won’t cover the topics we cover, simply because she isn’t capable and is in the employ of a newspaper (the Guardian) with a clear goal to push only one viewpoint about climate. And, her objectivity, now that she runs in this circle of friends, is blown out of the water.
Oreskes, who authored the book Merchants of Doubt, seems to think that climate skeptics are little more than paid shills, deserving of criminal status, while Goldenberg works tirelessly to create strawmen houses out of the thinnest of research, which she publishes in the Guardian. She also follows the Oreskes mindset in thinking that we all must be on somebody’s payroll and that we are all part of a “secret network” of well funded climate resistance.
Lately, this sort of hateful and distorted thinking is getting a bit worrisome as statistician William Briggs observes:
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RICO-style prosecution. For what tangible crime? Well, heresy.
(Has to be heresy. The amount of money I have extorted from my skepticism hovers between nada and nil.)
This put me in mind of a passage from from Dawn to Decadence by the indispensable Jacques Barzun (pp 271-272):
The smallest divergence from the absolute is grave error and wickedness. From there it is a short step to declaring war on the misbelievers. When faith is both intellectual and visceral, the overwhelming justification is that heresy imperils other souls. If the erring sheep will not recant, he or she becomes a source of error in others….[P]ersecution is a health measure that stops the spread of an infectious disease—all the more necessary that souls matter more than bodies.
Even though not all admit this, their actions prove that souls are more important than bodies. Thought crimes are in many senses worse than physical crimes; they excite more comment and are more difficult to be forgiven for. Perhaps the worst crime is to be accused of racism (the charges needn’t be, and frequently are not, true; the accusation makes the charge true enough). It is now a thought crime to speak out against sodomy (and to say you personally are a participant is a matter of media celebration).
Barzun said that sins against political correctness “so far” have only been punished by “opprobrium, loss of employment, and virtual exclusion from the profession.” (I can confirm these.) Barzun said, “any form of persecution implies an amazing belief in the power of ideas, indeed of mere words casually spoken.”
The Enlightened, who simper when calling each other “free thinkers”, in one of their favorite myths tell us how they left the crime of heresy behind. The word has been forgotten, maybe, but not the idea.
Stalin sent his victims to the firing squad for the crime of “counter-revolution”, not heresy. Being repulsed by sodomy is not heresy, it is “homophobic”. Believing in God and practicing that belief is not heresy, but “fundamentalism.” Cautioning that affirmative action may cause the pains the program is meant to alleviate isn’t heresy, but “racism.” Saying that unskillful Climate models which routinely bust their predictions should not be trusted is not heresy, but is “anti-science.”
Boy, has Science come up in the world to be a personage one can sin against.
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And AlexJC notes in Der Ewige “Denier” on the NYT cartoon depicting killing “deniers” that a pattern is emerging.
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Some commentators on WUWT have likened this little scene to Nazi anti-Jewish propaganda in the 1930s, and I’m inclined to agree. There’s a pertinent article, called “Defining the Enemy” on the website of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum:
One crucial factor in creating a cohesive group is to define who is excluded from membership. Nazi propagandists contributed to the regime’s policies by publicly identifying groups for exclusion, inciting hatred or cultivating indifference, and justifying their pariah status to the populace.
There’s a picture you can find online of the “stereotypical Jew”, which was drawn by Nazi cartoonist Philipp “Fips” Rupprecht and published in the newspaper Der Stürmer sometime before the end of World War II. Although different in some respects to the “stereotypical Denier” in the NYT, there are a number of similarities. Both subjects are male, well-dressed, rather plump and well-fed and standing with their chests slightly thrust out. Both have distinctive noses – the Jew has a large hooked nose and the Denier has one that is more reminiscent of a pig’s snout. Both are smoking a cigar, which is clearly the mark of an evil plutocrat anywhere, Jewish or otherwise. The similarities are quite unsettling.
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Indeed, they are, and worse yet, few if any, in the general science community seem to have the courage to stand up and say anything about these people and the actions they do and/or suggest as being inappropriate or antithetical to science.
Roy Spencer is the exception for scientists who have decided to speak out against this hate and smear, and has decided to fight back by labeling anyone who calls him a “climate denier” as a “climate Nazi”. I’m not sure how effective or useful that will be, but clearly he’s reached a tipping point. He adds:
A couple people in comments have questioned my use of “Nazi”, which might be considered over the top. Considering the fact that these people are supporting policies that will kill far more people than the Nazis ever did — all in the name of what they consider to be a righteous cause — I think it is very appropriate. Again, I didn’t start the name-calling.

The parallels with what occurred in pre-WWII Germany seem to be emerging with the constant smearing of climate skeptics for the purpose of social isolation, and now Oreskes is calling for members of this group to be charged with crimes under RICO. This isn’t new, we’ve heard these calls for climate skeptics to be arrested before, such as Grist’s David Roberts who proposed Nuremberg style trials for climate skeptics, but lately it seems to be picking up speed.
We even have people in the same climate clique playing virtual dress up as Nazis, such as we’ve learned recently from the “Skeptical Science” forum showing proprietor John Cook in full Nazi uniform in the image seen at right. There were several Nazi images depicting SkS.
And, there’s the call for removing dissenting opinion from the press, such as from “Forecast the Facts” (a funded NGO that attacks media)
“Brad Johnson (@ClimateBrad), the editor of HillHeat.com and a former Think Progress staffer, boasted on Twitter that 110,000 people had urged the newspaper “to stop publishing climate lies” like the Krauthammer piece.”
We’ve already seen one prominent newspaper refuse to publish letters from climate skeptics with others following suit.
What is most troubling to me is that Oreskes and Goldenberg appear to be of Jewish descent (as does Dr. Michael Mann) and yet they all seem blind to the pattern of behavior they are engaging in and advocating; the social isolation and prosecution of climate skeptics which seems so reminiscent of the ugliness in times past. I honestly don’t understand how they can’t see what they are doing to silence climate skeptics is so very wrong.
It does seem true, that those who don’t learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
From my viewpoint, the only way to combat this ugliness is with taking a stand. These tactics must be called out when they are used. I urge readers to write thoughtful and factual letters, guest commentary where accepted, and blog posts, countering such smear whenever appropriate.
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I think skeptics need an umbrella organisation. For example, the GWPF in the UK has more influence than just Lord Lawson on his own. The initial core would be all the current bloggers – I would want to see broad support so that would include Sky Dragons and others who you might not fully agree with. Ideally it would also include politicians or other people of influence [and hopefully money!] It should also be as multinational as possible.
Finance is always an issue. To see whether the idea would float then you could try crowdfunding. People may be more willing to fund an organisation than an individual. There must be some wealthy skeptics who can be approached. I think it would attract a lot of volunteers. Continued funding could be done by subscriptions and donations.
I think the website should be relatively low key and aimed mostly at people who are ‘skeptical curious’ rather than committed skeptics. So a fixed page would be ‘why are people skeptical’. It could be a general source of information. How pro-CAGW organisations are funded, who makes money from CAGW, BBC bias [history and corrections to their programs][plus other media organisations], how many advocates are ‘do as I say, not as I do’!
Other areas are how CAGW harms lives. Obviously energy costs, impact on Africa, school ‘education’, retribution for expressing skeptical views, etc. Also effects on wildlife.
Probably no comments section, just a reference site.
If very successful it could establish a ‘fighting fund’ to help stop legal bullying.
Individuals can be picked off one by one, but an organisation would give strength and resilience.
@RichardSCourtney:
Please re-read my post to you at:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/02/24/the-merchants-of-smear/#comment-1576179
Anthony,
I sympathize with urge to take a stand to this sort of social ostracizing. It is certainly required in some form. Another unsettling aspect of this is that every form of “taking a stand” seems to be incorporated into identifying someone for pariah status. It only serves to mark you out more. It doesn’t expose the behavior and methods of those ostracizing you it just confirms your pariah status for resisting it.
I’ve been contemplating this for a while now and unfortunately have no answers. Nonetheless, this aspect of the problem seems to be their greatest achievement. The group they are defining and marking out is silenced because everything they say means only one thing to the casual observer. This is why evidence is irrelevant.
Ken McMurtrie says:
February 25, 2014 at 8:32 pm
@ur momisugly Paul Westhaver
You say “so?”
So do I. ….
Ok Ken. I happen to agree with your entire post on the matter. I have no challenge at all to the substance of your blog either. It quite like it.
Cheers.
Joe says:
February 25, 2014 at 10:14 am
“We’re a small island, we don’t have the room or the population to justify 3 or 4 companies “competing” (read: colluding) to generate our relatively small power needs., ”
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Joe, there is always room for competition in a “free” society.
And that is exactly why the divorce rate is so high in some countries.
There is a big difference between ….. 3 or 4 companies competing for ”government approval and licensing” to be the sole provider of electrical power to all the people …. and …. 3 or 4 companies competing with one another to provide the best, most reliable and least costly electrical power to the population.
Except for maybe Iceland, electricity costs don’t get any cheaper than they are here, to wit:
http://villageoffrankfortny.org/content/Departments/View/1
Snowden has released information that NSA agents are trained to disrupt alternate media online. Something we have all probably wondered about at one time or another
Snowden: Training Guide for GCHQ, NSA Agents Infiltrating and Disrupting Alternative Media
Chad Wozniak says:
February 25, 2014 at 8:43 pm
“ I am personally physical disproof of your claim that second-hand smoke doesn’t cause cancer.”
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Yup, but I am personally (70+ years) physical disproof of your nurtured pseudo-science beliefs about cigarette smoke. Carcinogenic cigarette smoke and CAGW are “two peas in a pod” with both being “Cash Cows” and their claimed ill effects being based solely on associations, correlations, estimations, insinuations, percentageations, tripe and/or piffle ……. and thus there is no actual, factual, repeatable scientific evidence or proofs to support said “junk science” claims.
The public is now being deluded into believing the “ill effects” of CAGW ….. just like it was deluded into believing the “ill effects” of cigarette smoke that had its beginning in November 1977 when the American Cancer Society launched its Great American Smokeout campaign. Thus, the history of “deluding the masses” is again trying to repeat itself via the claims of CAGW, …. and it will, …. if the “voices” of reason, factual science and common sense are “silenced” by their opponents.
Samuel C Cogar says:
February 26, 2014 at 7:55 am
Joe says:
February 25, 2014 at 10:14 am
“We’re a small island, we don’t have the room or the population to justify 3 or 4 companies “competing” (read: colluding) to generate our relatively small power needs., ”
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Joe, there is always room for competition in a “free” society.
And that is exactly why the divorce rate is so high in some countries.
There is a big difference between ….. 3 or 4 companies competing for ”government approval and licensing” to be the sole provider of electrical power to all the people …. and …. 3 or 4 companies competing with one another to provide the best, most reliable and least costly electrical power to the population.
Except for maybe Iceland, electricity costs don’t get any cheaper than they are here, to wit:
http://villageoffrankfortny.org/content/Departments/View/1
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Samuel,
As I said, I’m wiling to concede competition in supply to the consumer, but that’s not the same as generation. In the link you give, the Village of Frankfort have their own substation, but they don’t claim to have their own generation capacity.
Building power stations is expensive, and they benefit massively from economies of scale – a single station able to power 100000 homes will always be cheaper per unit of power than running small local generation. With a 60 million or so population, spread over less area than the top 10 US states, the UK just doesn’t have enough demand to support genuine competition in generation.
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Thanks for that.
I hope Richard doesn’t stay away.
From what he has said in other comments on other threads he’s no more in favor of a Totalitarian/Authoritarian Government that stems from “socialism” than I am of the Totalitarian/Authoritarian Government that is rising from the US Constitution and The Declaration of Independence. I’m not proud of slavery or Wounded Knee or Waco or ….. the NSA, Holden, the EPA and Obama.
I’m not sure what “socialism” means to him but I suspect he sees it as a way to take care of people just as I see US Constitution with The Bill of Rights as a way to protect the rights of The People. I do not support “socialism” but I do not question Richard’s motives.
Here on this blog the thrust is to keep the science honest so it can’t be used as a club (a Hockey Stick?) to beat people into submission under a Totalitarian/Authoritarian Government from whatever political philosophy it sprang. Richard is a valuable ally.
PS Regarding “you can’t be a socialist and a Christian”, there’s not a person alive (or dead) that “can be a Christian” based on what they themselves are or were. That’s based on what He was and whether or not you accept it.
(To any lurking NSAers, I won’t be responding to anything aimed at the “PS”.8-)
A link to the Charles Krauthammer Feb 20, 2014 Washington Post column that generated demands it not be run. The Myth of Settled Science Some snippets:
If this is the You tube of the merchants of smear, why are there not any comments yet? Has anyone commented? They say there have been 3,001 views.
Crossing the 2014 Climate Divide: Scientists, Skeptics & the Media
Peter West says: @ur momisugly February 24, 2014 at 3:34 pm
The “virtual Nazi dressup” was probably (I haven’t bother to go there) a satirical reaction to Roy Spencer. The situation is bad, but we need to be careful not to make it worse than it actually is.
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You have that backwards. The Naz1 dress-up was WELL BEFORE Roy Spencer’s comment.
@ur momisugly Paul Westhaver
Thanks Paul, for your clarification and for your comment. Much appreciated.
Regards, Ken.
I came across this column today and I thought – yes indeed, a berserk reaction!
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100260720/whenever-you-mention-fascisms-socialist-roots-left-wingers-become-incandescent-why/
……”Leftist readers may by now be seething. Whenever I touch on this subject, it elicits an almost berserk reaction from people who think of themselves as progressives and see anti-fascism as part of their ideology. Well, chaps, maybe now you know how we conservatives feel when you loosely associate Nazism with “the Right”.”
Joe says: @ur momisugly February 25, 2014 at 10:14 am
.The thing is, DS, we’re not being told that socialism is the answer. At least, not here in the UK and certainly not by anyone except capitalists concerned that their slice of the pie might get moved to some other (nouveau) capitalist….
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I am sorry Joe but you are incorrect.
From WUWT:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/19/weekly-climate-and-energy-news-roundup-120/
UN climate chief: Communism is best to fight global warming
By Michael Bastasch, Daily Caller, Jan 15, 2014
http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/15/un-climate-chief-communism-is-best-to-fight-global-warming/
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How about calling a moratorium on the Socialist/Capitalist stuff?
I think we all can agree that H1tler and Stal!n and others were totalitarian Monsters. Such Monsters use what ever sheepskin is available to cover the wolf. In earlier times it was often religion.
As Dr. R.J. Rummel, author of Death by Govenment said:
TonyG says: @ur momisugly February 25, 2014 at 11:27 am
….It’s also not capitalism. There are no captive markets under capitalism. What you describe is a bastardized system where corporations and wealthy individuals influence government for their own ends. Anyone who considers himself a capitalist would reject such a system just as much as socialism.
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Correct. It is sometimes called Neo-corporatism or sometimes “Third Way”
SEE: Corporatism and the Ghost of the Third Way
For what it is worth, ‘Capitalism’ died a hundred years ago.
Yes, that would seem to account for of the rather frantic name-calling in this thread. It is complicated that the topic of the lead post concerns overt threats by Establishment types to criminalize heretical views on “climate change”; no matter which political ilk these types belong to, they are at least comfortable with Statist solutions to what they perceive as a problem, and most uncomfortable with free speech and individual freedom.
Whether these Statists are ‘socialist’ or ‘fascist’ or some other ‘-ist’ seems to me beside the point; they are on the side of tyranny, not freedom, and that is all that matters.
Whatever Richard Courtney labels himself, I doubt he takes the side of tyranny. And his contributions to this blog on the subjects of climate and energy, those that I have read, have been astute and important.
Vis-a-vis the Climate Parasites, it is important to maintain a united front against those who would shut down debate altogether. So let’s eschew intra-necine labels and stick to the facts, both of the science and the need for skeptics to be heard, and heard loudly.
/Mr Lynn
Mr Lynn
Whether these Statists are ‘socialist’ or ‘fascist’ or some other ‘-ist’ seems to me beside the point; they are on the side of tyranny, not freedom, and that is all that matters.
I think that is something we can all agree on.
Gail Combs says:
How about calling a moratorium on the Socialist/Capitalist stuff?
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I heartily agree….and very well said also Mr. Lynn. Thanks.
Note to Richard Courtney. You’re missed by those of us who appreciate your scientific expertise. Please don’t stay away for long!
Well this thread seems to have gotten way off track, and drifted far from the original “learned” critique of the WUWT blog, that has repeatedly been dubbed as the world’s most viewed website and climate change; by three giants of the science and journalistic reporting fields.
To get a distinguished Harvard University Professor of The History of Science, and Director of both Science, and Policy of the renowned Union of Concerned Scientists, as well a celebrated international reporter on matters of world import, to present a lecture on WUWT, and its influence is a major accomplishment; and indicates the importance accorded to WUWT.
Now I had only ten years of formal education in science; well more correctly in Physics, along with a smattering of chemistry, before embarking on more than half a century, of application of that to industry.
In all that time, I never took a single class or lecture on “The History of Science.”
How can one spend over 60 years in the field of learning science, and not acquire a deep connection to the history of that discipline. To study science IS to simply follow it’s history.
So, if I were the parents of a science student at the Harvard University, for whom I was being charged top dollar, to get a purportedly reputable education in science; I would be rather put out, if any of my money got wasted, on a soft enterprise like teaching a history of science; rather than teaching the science itself.
Well I see this lecture was not too well attended, even with three distinguished panelists, and I would surmise that, this number would exceed the number who might actually take the history course itself. The other two speakers, must surely have drawn additional attendees .
So just how many students are there who take Professor Oreskes course ??
I did a quite small stint in academia, myself, before departing for industry; a limited course on Optics, and Atomic Physics. It was a quite popular course; as I recall, I had 200 students in the class, so I had to do it in two shifts. Maybe I should have simply taught the history of science, and had a more manageable work load. Well industry was far more fun, and rewarding too.
If any WUWT readers, have an interest in the history of science, I could suggest a much cheaper approach, than taking Prof. Oreskes’ course.
I would particularly recommend this, to those of you who like Gail Combs, seem to be veritable information sponges; and just soak stuff up.
For about $10.95 plus applicable taxes, from Amazon, and like sources, buy yourself a small book, called ; “Thirty Years that Shook Physics.” authored by George Gamow, who was right there, when all this stuff went down.
If you never took a physics lecture in your life, you can read this book.
Anyone who can follow a recipe, to make a cake from scratch, or can change the spark plugs, or brake pads on your car, can easily read this book. I’m quite sure that anyone who can milk a cow, or shear a sheep, can read this book; and I bet you get more out of it than you would get from Harvard Professor Oreskes’ history course.
Oh I’m sure she is a good lecturer, and good at her subject; but for $11, this book is a far better deal.
No I get no royalties for telling you this; I was NOT there when the fat hit the shin, so to speak.
Enjoy it, Gamow, is a great writer.
[“Fat hit the shin” ?? 8<) The mods admit they have they never seen that variation of flying boney nutrients before. Mod]
Gunga Din, Mr Lynn and Richard D:
I have ceased participating in WUWT. Whatever guests in a house may think, it is impolite and improper to enter the house when its owner does not want you there.
However, I am ‘gate-crashing the party’ by ‘calling through the door’ with this one post as a method to draw attention to points already made on WUWT pertaining to specific points you make about me personally.
Mr Lyn says
I am against tyranny in all its forms. I take the side of humanity as I repeatedly said in this thread; e.g. at February 24, 2014 at 2:31 pm where I wrote
I call myself many things because they are what I am; e.g. a man who attempts to be a Christian, a father, a brother, a socialist, a material scientist, a campaigner for good scientific standards, etc..
My political views were debated on WUWT in a thread where the debate began with Mark Bofill asking me a question here.
Since then, I have always attempted – repeatedly, and on many occasions – to avoid discussion of my political views on WUWT by referring people to that debate.
But in this and the previous thread it was repeatedly attempted to assert that all governments which kill people are socialist. Indeed, it was claimed that Tsarist Russia was “socialist” because it killed people! And in this thread at February 24, 2014 at 1:42 pm Mark wrote :
A more clear demonstration of demonization is hard to imagine.
And some others noticed what was happening in this thread. For example, the post from Alan Robertson at February 24, 2014 at 4:51 pm says
But the attacks increased and our host adopted a partisan response by giving me a time out while allowing the attacks to continue then – when I objected to this one-sidedness – he said (February 26, 2014 at 1:01 am) the problem is my “commenting style” which I had to amend because he said (at February 25, 2014 at 3:57 pm) it was “costing [him] time”. His actual words being
Clearly, my “commenting style” (i.e. who and what I am) is not welcome here because it unduly consumes our host’s time. The only way I can become welcome is to “self review” by rejecting my socialist principles which I will not do.
So, I have explained my views and why I have withdrawn from participation in WUWT.
I wish WUWT, Anth0ny, and all WUWT participants every good wish. The AGW-scare is beaten and it is important to constrain the effects of the scare as it dies.
Richard
REPLY: Clearly Mr. Courtney missed the fact that I gave a unilateral time-out.
But my observation stands; he does tend to get into too many food fights with commenters best ignored, and I’ve had to give unilateral time-outs to him and participants before. I could spend 24/7 on WUWT in such arguments and I’d never get another thing done. My view of this problem, also communicated to him privately, can be summed up as “Discretion is the better part of valor”. So, rather than simply take my suggestions in comments to chill out for 24 hours, and privately in email to tone it down a bit so that he doesn’t continue getting into these food fights that require intervention, he’s taking his ball and going home.
He’s mistaken in his own viewpoint about not being wanted here and being asked to leave, but being mistaken is his right, and I wish him well – Anthony
Joe says:
February 26, 2014 at 11:28 am
“In the link you give, the Village of Frankfort have their own substation, but they don’t claim to have their own generation capacity.”
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Joe,
I suggest you read that cited link again. … http://villageoffrankfortny.org/content/Departments/View/1
If NOT their own “generating capacity” why would they explicity state: “Today, we have upgraded the same substation to handle four (4) times the capacity.”
Joe, I lived in that area for almost 20 years and I know for a fact that the Village owns and operates the power generating facility.
And Joe, how about Frankfort, Indiana? Read this and weep.
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City Light and Power Plant, Frankfort, Indiana
Customer Charge per month $4.00
First 500 KWH per month 5.8636¢ per KWH
Next 1000 KWH per month 4.6085¢ per KWH
Over 1500 KWH per month 3.7496¢ per KWH
http://www.fmu-in.com/fmuweb/clp/clprates.htm
@richard Courtney 2:16
Sorry to hear that Sir.
I note your comment that CAGW is over.
Have been feeling the same way for last few months, kind of irritated the faithful haven’t realized they be zombies.
Kind of feeling my addiction to WUWT,almost as a climate prom
I almost feel sorry for my local planet saviours, formerly so loud, certain and intolerant.
However they tried to facilitate the robbery of us all,
“Surrender your wealth, intelligence and freedom”, to save the world from my delusion?.
Sometimes I feel you do not give the rest of us enough time or credit, the lack of challenge to some of the odd commentary is not agreement, some I see as subtle trolling, some not so subtle, but choose to let it lie as they reveal themselves soon enough.
Give us time we do recognize ugliness and smear.
Also I believe you have been fighting this nonsense for far longer than most of the visitors here, have even been aware the war was on.
Patience with fools is not infinite, but hell I bought the AGW crud at first.
On that label thing, my father was as you are a self avowed socialist.
As he served in Italy and Holland fighting the madness from germany, it obviously was not a shared definition.Labels are made to cover and cloak, most of us are just normal folk.
Please do not give up on this yet, the mopping up will require those persons with an actuate sense of the history and evolution of this mass psychosis.
However remain in good health and cheer, as you can tell from comments above many can see the shape through the noise and value your contribution.
Richard S. Courtney, I’ve read your sincere post of this morning as well as the thoughts of our host. I freely admit I’m selfish in writing this post. I feel strongly that you would be doing me personally and the WUWT community, as well as the many, many non technical readers who visit here an invaluable service by staying. You bring a unique logical style and British viewpoint, as well as expert scientific experience to these threads. You are a serious man and a good guy. Please consider putting aside the serious unpleasantness on this thread for greater good of educating and opposing what’s truly unpleasant and really just plain evil – the hijacking of science by ideologues and zealots. All the best whatever you decide, but please consider. Thanks.
The comparison to heresy is apt as is the comparison to Nazi and Stalinist regimes. Another comparison that should be made is to Islam, where perhaps the skeptics will be treated like Dhimmi – required to admit the supremacy of climate cooling/warming/changing and free to speak their minds, but only in private where others can’t hear and subject to a special tax.
Somehow, I don’t believe the high priests of climate change will be that generous.
Richard D:
I have withdrawn from posting to WUWT so I have thought long and hard about whether to reply to your kind post addressed to me at February 27, 2014 at 11:51 am. Indeed, that time of consideration is why it has taken me so long before providing this reply.
Anth0ny has said I can post to here but my posts unduly consume his time. Hence, I have withdrawn from WUWT, but your post is so generous that I think it requires an answer. I think I can best reply with an anecdote.
In the mid 1990s there was a Conference on the science of what was then called global warming. The Conference was held in Bonn, Germany, and was organised jointly by the European Academy of Sciences and also the Europaishe Akademie fur Umweltfragen whose President, the late Helmut Metzner, was also the President of the Conference.
The Conference was to start on the Monday and a meeting of Speakers was to be held on the previous afternoon so many of us had arrived on the Saturday and had Sunday morning free.
Helmut and I went for a walk beside the river. It was a cold but sunny morning and we walked beside the river discussing scientific issues pertaining to climate prediction when we came across a short length of damaged wall with an engraved plate on it. I asked Helmut to translate for me the words engraved on the plate.
Helmut explained that the piece of wall was all that remained of the local synagogue on the morning following Kristallnacht. It was now the place of an annual remembrance service by local Jews.
I said I was thrilled to come across this memorial because in my country the day of our walk was Remembrance Sunday when we remembered and honoured all who had suffered, died or fought in wars. And Remembrance Sunday is important to me because I am a pacifist. He asked me to describe it, which I did, and he said such events were not permitted in Germany for fear that they would be distorted by SS reunions.
I said I regretted this. Many people have suffered in wars and nobody should be judged on who or what they were long, long ago. (In recent years I conducted Remembrance Sunday Services at Mabe which were attended by a venerable gentleman who had been a member of the Waffen SS: he died two years ago.)
My family lost everything in the blitz. Remembrance Sunday is a time to reflect on the past and to honour those who suffered so we can be reminded of mistakes that should never be repeated.
Helmut said he was a submariner in WW2. He had wanted to study Art History at university but had been called-up to join the navy. His U-boat attacked the convoys undertaking the horrific ‘Murmansk Run’. As the Russians advanced westward his submarine retreated west until it was stranded in port with no fuel. He and the rest of the crew then waited for the Russians to arrive and were in great fear. But when they were found by the Russians they were told to go home because the Russians were busy advancing towards Berlin to bother with captive submariners.
But Helmut did not go home. He set off on foot with nothing but the clothes he wore and headed for Leipzig across demolished Germany. Upon arrival he found the university and asked to study Art History. The few professors who were there said the university was demolished. They could not teach him Art History, but they could start to teach him Theoretical Physics because they had a blackboard, chalk and their knowledge. So he agreed to study that.
Thus began the education that transformed the young submariner into Herr Dr Professor Helmut Metzner; a great theoretical physicist.
Having shared our anecdotes of war, for some minutes Helmut and I stared at the piece of broken wall in silence while we each reflected on what it represented. We then continued our walk. It was the best Remembrance Sunday of my life.
Helmut’s walk across the ruins of Europe towards what he could not know he would become has often been used as a sermon illustration by me. Tomorrow is Transfiguration Sunday, and I will use it again.
As this thread has demonstrated, there are still people who desire imposition of their views on others. The AGW-scare derives from that desire, and there are people of all political persuasions who claim they know what makes them smile and everybody must be made to smile like them ‘or else’.
And this thread also demonstrates that my presence in the WUWT community enables the forces of tyranny to promote their vile ideas within WUWT. Hence, whether or not my presence consumes too much of Anth0ny’s time, I have withdrawn my presence.
Richard