So, as WUWT readers well know, I have a different opinion about global warming.
Do you think the New York Times should endorse stabbing me (and others with similar opinions) through the heart like a vampire because I hold that opinion? See panel #4 “self destructing sabers for dispatching climate-change deniers”.
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2014/02/09/opinion/sunday/see-something-say.html?_r=2
Admittedly, this is a lame attempt at humor/satire, something we are all well familiar with applying here at WUWT. But, imagine if the tables were turned, and the cartoon depicted global warming alarmists such as Mike Mann or James Hansen in the same role? Our friends would have a collective cow. Yet, somehow, somebody at the New York Times thinks it is acceptable to suggest “dispatching” a whole class of people that hold a different viewpoint from them.
I’m waiting on I have a comment from NYT’s Andrew Revkin, who was the subject of a post yesterday, as to what he thinks about this in his own newspaper.
For the record, I don’t think global warming is a “hoax”, but it certainly has been oversold.
h/t to Steve Milloy at Junkscience.com
UPDATE: Andrew Revkin sends this comment via email:
I find the final panel in this cartoon on uses for surplus icicles to be the antithesis of humor. But some artists, like some bloggers, seem to thrive on edge pushing. Andres Serrano (“Immersion: Piss Cross”) comes to mind. There are many others. We are quite a species.
UPDATE2: Revkin has added some additional thoughts at his tumblr blog:
It’s worth saying more. This cartoon is right up there with the “pretty edgy” 2010 climate-campaign video showing a teacher blowing up students who didn’t sign on to cut their carbon footprints.
Both are great attention getters, and were utterly stupid if the goal was do accomplish anything other than inflaming and dividing people on an important issue. And that would be a reprehensible goal.
Climate parasite, that’s good, short, memorable, to the point, accurate, nasty but not over the top,
I think I will start using and promoting this whenever possible
richardscourtney says:
February 23, 2014 at 4:29 pm
“Totalitarians are evil whatever part of the political spectrum they inhabit.”
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I would agree without reservation. I think, though, that the dispute is more in the matter of terminology.
The way I understand it, to you, “right” is National Socialism (that is, Nationalsozialismus) and “left” is International Socialism. So we have entirely different frames of reference. To me, “left” is any system that advocates supremacy of the state (or more correctly, the government) over the individual, whatever the excuse, and to you, “right” is “not International Socialist”. I’m sure you’re kidding with the Genghis Khan thing. Aren’t you?
With this in mind, I can see where you might claim that “right-wing” governments are responsible for mass murder. However, any government with “socialist” in the name of the ruling party does not, in my opinion, qualify as “right-wing”. I might accept the possibility of my being an outier in that respect.
I hope I have helped you in your understanding of my previous post, whose thrust you have repeated the quote above.
“Margaret Thatcher was a disaster for our country. Our economy has still not recovered.
Some towns were so damaged by her that they held street parties to celebrate her funeralImportantly, in the context of this thread, Maragret Thatcher started the AGW-scare.
See http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2012/09/12/richard-courtney-the-history-of-the-global-warming-scare/”
Richard I agree with many things you say on WUWT; this though I most certainly do not!
Our country was totally wrecked by consecutive Labour governments and then by Edward Heath who gave us the EU! The trouble with Socialism is that the objective of redistribution of wealth is always secondary to it’s creation, which however you argue, cannot be sensible. Margaret Thatcher got rid of the people who got us labelled as “the sick man of Europe” and strengthened our economy, so we had the wealth to help those who needed it.
You will never help those who need help, by impoverishing those who can provide help!
Margaret Thatcher also admitted she was wrong with regard to AGW, she was badly advised like we all are!
Sad to see such a once-great paper stoop so low – wouldn’t line a birdcage with that slop now. And to top it off, they’re advocating violence…
Next thing, they’ll be pushing icicle-control laws, or perhaps banning ice in “evil” cola (remember, it has the horrid CO2 in it…).
Props to Andrew Revkin for saying they went too far…he’s still a warmist, but doesn’t seem as rabid as most.
Sounds like NYT & co. are getting desparate…
The left-right distinction has become virtually meaningless today.
The old right, as, say in 19th-century Europe, is all but extinct. Its nearest and truest equivalent today is actually today’s wealthy leftists, who like the old right, are characterized by old money, hubris, elitism, hypocrisy, making of rules for others not binding on oneself, the expectation that the hoi polloi shall bow and scrape, authoritarian impulses and generally inhumane attitudes – in short, just as reactionary, and in just the same way, as the old right was.
CAGW illustrates many of the reactionary (i.e., truly right-wing) tendencies of the left, including its fascination with ancient technologies (if they can be called that) like wind power; its reflexive intolerance of contrary opinion, to the point of threatening skeptics with murder, as in the NYT piece; disregard of the ill effects of the policies they propose, particularly on poor people; and above all, the hypocrisy of a wealthy, jet-setting individual who married, not earned, his money, in criticizing John Q. Public for driving an SUV
Dear Mr. Richard S. Courtney and defenders,
Following is what I posted. It is a quote. I will gladly supply you an explanation of a quote if you require it. Get your glasses out at look at the posting. Your quickness to make accusations at others is not polite.
“Look at history, the socialists are responsible for the death of 262,000,000 people in the last 110 years. See: Death by government:”
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM
Careful, you might actually have to concede. In your rage in what you think you saw, you state the following (Please note that copy paste works really well. In other words one does not make mistakes in retyping what others type…just like I did initially) :
“Yes, it is VERY clear.
It is also clear that the list is of governments covering the extreme right to the extreme left.
And it is clear that you added the lie that all those listed are “socialists”.
You chose to do that. And you did that. Nobody else.
Apologise.
Richard
Now Mr Courtney, notice that I did not mention anything about “socialists” and I did not mention any opinion about “socialists.” But do notice that I quoted what some other said about “socialists” and notice that you went ballistic while I enjoyed my fire, cognac, burning gasoline, etc all while trying to warm the planet ( and my good nature).
In the meantime I have found a very unpleasant cigar…the CO2 will green up the house plants. 🙂
P.S. Life is short. Everyting else is forever. So … find some pleasure.
@Kate Forney and richardscourtney:
Anton Drexler, founder of the NSDAP, was a socialist. Mussolini, when he founded the Fascisti, was still a socialist. Nazism and Fascism are properly both understood as leftist, not rightist. In Spain, while Franco was a dictator, he actually was true right, not another fascist (strictly speaking). Both Hitler and Mussolini made devil’s bargains with the old right in their respective countries, who wanted to expand their empires, to secure their positions but their meme was otherwise left, not right.. Franco is known to have had great personal contempt for both Hitler and Mussolini and used them shamelessly for his own purposes, then dumped them.
The culture of death.
Since the 1950s, the elitist totalitarian progressives, convincing each other of the panic of over-population by people who do not think like them, have been advocating for the abortion and sterilization of the unfit, and the hastened death of the very ill. They have had their way with thousands.
You all think they really are not wishing for the deaths of climate deniers? They have already shown you the 10-10 video.
The mercy of the wicked is cruel.
Some recent stories of the elitist progressive totalitarians at work:
http://www.wric.com/story/24780872/ga-to-sterilization-victims-youre-not-worth-the-time-it-would-take-to-discuss-the-issue
http://www.wset.com/story/24762673/virginia-eugenics-victims-demand-compensation-before-its-too-late
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/News/Addenbrookes-doctor-says-end-of-life-pathway-was-inappropriate-for-Robert-Goold-who-died-last-year-20140128181648.htm
richardscourtney says:
February 23, 2014 at 4:29 pm
“The ultra-right governments of H1tler and Mussolini killed millions.
And please don’t start the nonsense of black is white and right is left.”
Isn’t it funny that Mussolini learned his trade as a socialist then all of a sudden doing the same thing as “ultra right wing”.
“Genghis Khan was not left wing.”
Genghis Khan, was that a mass murderer who learned his trade from Karl Marx as well?
…Mr Courtney…as for my identity and your ranting off about it, sorry, no can do, even though you may be able with some serious homework figure it out. I assume Anthony understands the need for it.
Does this qualify as a death threat or a bad joke? I only ask because the bar is so low.
There’s plenty of ice damming to go around this year in these parts near Boston. I barely missed injuring the dog with an icicle when he barked at 3:00am the other night, (he probably just heard a deer munching on shrubbery out front but out he goes if I’m not certain and he doesn’t otherwise explain). I didn’t notice that a ginormous icicle had formed at the back door and it broke off when I opened the storm door just as he was leaping through the door way. It missed him by inches. Then I was really awake.
Donna Quixote opined “That’s the crux of this whole divisive issue. There are no climate change ‘deniers’. I prefer ‘realists’, which is in fact, what we are.”
I agree that we are not “deniers” although I rather the designation “AWG Refuters”
and anent richardscourtney’s misunderstanding of the political spectrum .
Totalitarianism in it’s hydra headed manifestations is an exclusive province of the left.
Extreme rightists tend to Authoritarianism, such as Monarchists,and Autocrats. They don’t seek total control of all aspects of existence as the Fascists, Nazis, and Internationalists do.
Bill Adams (mandrake9) has it right in his analysis.
It is not a warmist cartoon.
It’s a skeptics cartoon. (Ouch!)
Mike Wryley says:
February 23, 2014 at 5:12 pm
Climate parasite, that’s good, short, memorable, to the point, accurate, nasty but not over the top,
I think I will start using and promoting this whenever possible
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I totally agree, and this is worth repeating.
There are many on here who believe that the Climate Parasite’s f*ckwit memes can be defeated by scientific mental masturbation. We can choose to disagree.
Climate Parasite is very nasty but, unfortunately, true. They’re not going to like it, because the next level is going to be Fake Socialist Parasite, and don’t they know it?
Make that “AGW Refuters”
….. apologies to the members of the Society for the Abolition of the Aberrant Apostrophe (which I think may still exist).
Really, all the debate over how to describe government control over individuals is meaningless.
Big government always crushes the productivity out of the citizens.
Then government has a choice, shrink, rob citizens of another country or enslave its own citizens.
The most vile governments of modern history have done all of these things, except voluntarily shrink their drain upon their citizens.Past shrinkage is mostly down to economic/social collapse.
Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming, is the natural behaviour of government piled upon government.
A need to feed the parasites is all that is necessary to create such a scheme, it robs all of the producers and rewards the parasitic group.
A tax on air.
This UN orchestrated theft and redistribution of public treasure has damaged our trade economy, it teeters on collapse, trust is dead, kleptocracy common.
There is no negotiation possible with a parasite, yet the parasitic class is the biggest it has ever been.
The bureaus of government have never before in history housed so many busy minions, all delightedly gnawing at the foundations of society, just following orders or procedure.
All engaged in nonproductive work at the expense of taxpayers.
Never mind your ideology, can you add?
There is no public treasure left, only debt and crumbs, now what happens?
The cyclic rise and fall of our societies is a clue, perhaps intelligence for the mob, has not yet evolved.
“A need to feed the parasites is all that is necessary to create such a scheme, it robs all of the producers and rewards the parasitic group.”
Exactly! And think of all the catch a wild pig handout programs to capture votes for bigger government.
In Europe, Canada, England, and Oz, is this “right wing”?
CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF IDAHO
Approved July 3, 1890
PREAMBLE We, the people of the state of Idaho, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and promote our common welfare do establish this Constitution.
INALIENABLE RIGHTS OF MAN: Section 1. Inalienable rights of man. All men are by nature free and equal, and have certain inalienable rights, among which are enjoying and defending life and liberty; acquiring, possessing and protecting property; pursuing happiness and securing safety.
SECTION 2 POLITICAL POWER INHERENT IN THE PEOPLE.
SECTION 3 STATE INSEPARABLE PART OF UNION.
SECTION 4 GUARANTY OF RELIGIOUS LIBERTY.
SECTION 5 RIGHT OF HABEAS CORPUS.
SECTION 6 RIGHT TO BAIL — CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENTS PROHIBITED.
SECTION 7 RIGHT TO TRIAL BY JURY.
SECTION 8 PROSECUTION ONLY BY INDICTMENT OR INFORMATION.
SECTION 9 FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
SECTION 10 RIGHT OF ASSEMBLY.
SECTION 11 RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS.
SECTION 12 MILITARY SUBORDINATE TO CIVIL POWER.
SECTION 13 GUARANTIES IN CRIMINAL ACTIONS AND DUE PROCESS OF LAW.
SECTION 14 RIGHT OF EMINENT DOMAIN.
SECTION 15 IMPRISONMENT FOR DEBT PROHIBITED.
SECTION 16 BILLS OF ATTAINDER, ETC., PROHIBITED.
SECTION 17 UNREASONABLE SEARCHES AND SEIZURES PROHIBITED.
SECTION 18 JUSTICE TO BE FREELY AND SPEEDILY ADMINISTERED.
SECTION 19 RIGHT OF SUFFRAGE GUARANTEED.
SECTION 20 NO PROPERTY QUALIFICATION REQUIRED OF ELECTORS — EXCEPTIONS.
SECTION 21 RESERVED RIGHTS NOT IMPAIRED.
SECTION 22 RIGHTS OF CRIME VICTIMS.
SECTION 23 THE RIGHTS TO HUNT, FISH AND TRAP.
A lot of us are tired of people forgetting (or really failing to perceive) that historically, the data shows that any government powerful enough to strip your property, weapons, and agricultural means, always feels it is the prerogative of the state to “dispatch” your life. Inre China Germany Russia Cambodia N Korea etc etc. The empirical observations are in.
Richard Courtney,
I have about the same thoughts about you as Bob (February 23, 2014 at 4:58 pm) and can agree with others with their arguments against you.
To clarify whether a specific political ideology is left or right, I’m using similar methodology used when three known religions are mentioned:
“Judaism, Christianity and Islam are the sons of Abraham”
Here we go …
* “Socialism” and “Communism” are the children of Karl Marx.
* “Socialism” in turn, has children known as “Bolshevism” (famous by Lenin, Trotsky & Co.) and “Menshevism“.
* “Bolshevism” then had an small affair with right wing forces and got as a result a child called “National Socialism“.
Further, “National Socialism” share too many ideas/ideals with both “Socialism” and “Communism” about how society should work, to be classified as a right-wing ideology. The sloppy term “Nazi” is used most often by those leftists who don’t like the actual name, showing where the politics actually belongs … (All of the mentioned leftism’ works only in theory though, in practice it’s all about benefits for those who are in positions of power, just like several right wing ideologies) Regarding “Socialism“, too many confuse this with “Liberalism“. “Liberalism” looks at the society from the individual’s perspective. (Do whatever you want as long as you don’t affect anyone else …) Something that is well liked in North America … As well, “Patriotism” is a key element in left wing ideologies (a very useful tool for politicians of any kind …).
Btw, Benito Musselino was a member of the Italian Socialist Party 1901-1914, so there you have his political base for the fascism he advocated …
DirkH says:
February 23, 2014 at 1:28 pm
Bill Adams says:
February 23, 2014 at 12:41 pm “It is a mystery that this got past the editors of the NYT, I grant you.”
It will also stay a mistery how the NYT could miss the Holodomor.
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Thank you for another excellent comment and speaking of Holodomor and communism, apparently the Cuban diet certainly helps to keep the figure svelte, the wages spent, all the while “saving the planet” and “going organic” at the same time:
“Yet even more shocking, perhaps, than the d-niers are certain current Western commentators who actually acknowledge the government-organized starvation but praise it. Some say that “the Cuban diet” is a great way to lose weight. Others see it as a key step forward in the fight to save the planet: “[T]hey have created what may be the world’s largest working model of a semi-sustainable agriculture, one that doesn’t rely nearly as heavily as the rest of the world does on oil, on chemicals, on shipping vast quantities of food back and forth,” wrote environmental ideologue Bill McKibben in his 2005 Harper’s article “The Cuban Diet: What you will be eating when the revolution comes”: “They import some of their food from abroad — a certain amount of rice from Vietnam, even some apples and beef and such from the United States. But mostly they grow their own, and with less ecological disruption than in most places. In recent years, organic farmers have visited the island in increasing numbers and celebrated its accomplishment.”
* “5 pounds of rice, 5 pounds of sugar, 1 pound of salt, 10 ounces of beans, 8 ounces of cooking oil, 0.15 ounces of coffee mixed with unknown stuff that isn’t coffee, 6 ounces of very-low-quality fish, and 1 pound of a disgusting product made from unsalable animal parts, per month. No fruits or vegetables are included. I repeat: These rations are not free, but must be paid for, with the total bill consuming most of a Cuban’s monthly salary.” Beef is only eaten by the communist leaders.
ref: Cuba: The Holodomor Next Door
Cuba’s starvation policy is a crime against humanity.
By Robert Zubrin
richardscourtney says:
February 23, 2014 at 4:05 pm
“The ultra-right has repeated the lie that “AGW is socialism” so often that it now “borders on a tautology” for them. But repetition does not convert a lie into truth despite the belief in Big Lie so dear to the ultra-right. ”
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Is there a way to identify these “ultra-right’s” on the streets ?
I mean, I’ve never actually seen a bogey-man, but might deduce it.
These “ultra-rights”, how could you tell ?
Maybe this cartoon is just sayin’ that some people find you annoying ’cause [you] are so often correct.
IF richardscourtney (a socialist) and Christopher Monkton (a conservative and confidant of Margaret Thatcher) could put aside their political differences to debate (and win) against warmists at one of the most prestigious universities in the world, why can’t we?
It is one thing to be defeated by a divide and conquer strategy. It is the epitome of stupidity to inflict it upon ourselves.