Over two-thirds of the contiguous USA covered with snow

Readers may recall our story from Dec 15th, 2013: Over half the USA covered in snow, the most in 11 years

Now, it’s even more. See the map and the 3D image:

nsm_depth_2014020705_National

February 7, 2014

  Area Covered By Snow: 67.4%
  Area Covered Last Month: 48.1%

The map is from NOAA’s  National Operational Hydrologic Remote Sensing Center

The 3D image is from this KMZ file and Google Earth:

3D_USA_Snow_02-07-14

h/t to Joe Bastardi of WeatherBell

UPDATE: Values of snow cover for this date show this is the highest in a decade.

February 7, 2014

Area Covered By Snow:    67.4%

February 7, 2013

Area Covered By Snow:    34.8%

February 7, 2012

Area Covered By Snow:    25.5%

February 7, 2011

Area Covered By Snow:    48.9%

February 7, 2010

Area Covered By Snow:    60.8%

February 7, 2009

Area Covered By Snow:    33.2%

February 7, 2008

Area Covered By Snow:    51.1%

February 7, 2007

Area Covered By Snow:    38.9%

February 7, 2006

Area Covered By Snow:    26.6%

February 7, 2005

Area Covered By Snow:    26.4%

February 7, 2004

Area Covered By Snow:    53.4%

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Alan Robertson
February 7, 2014 3:34 pm

Some of the driest parts of Oklahoma and Texas received a foot or more of snow in the past week. We may be fortunate and even more precipitation will fall in coming days. The area around Wichita Falls is suffering from extreme drought.

Editor
February 7, 2014 3:36 pm

OK, but how normal or abnormal is this?

MattS
February 7, 2014 3:40 pm

Mike Jonas says:
February 7, 2014 at 3:36 pm
OK, but how normal or abnormal is this?
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Eyeballing it, it looks to me like there is standing snow cover in parts of the country that are considered desert regions. I would call that pretty darn abnormal.

Berényi Péter
February 7, 2014 3:41 pm

I bet it is rotten snow or turn to it soon. Warmth will return in vengeance in a short time, by July, this year, at the latest.

February 7, 2014 3:44 pm

Looks exactly how I imagined the Ice Ages over the history of the earth that had them.
Global warmist— cool it!

AJ
February 7, 2014 3:47 pm

This is due to Global Warming. Wind during the Spring = Global Warming. Heat during Summer = Global Warming. Leaves falling in the Fall = Global Warming

February 7, 2014 3:47 pm

This is why we have to fight global warming!

P. Hager
February 7, 2014 3:50 pm

Is it my imagination, but is there snow in the the Sierra Mountains now? What impact will that have on the CA drought?

February 7, 2014 3:50 pm

Nothing but global warming would be capable of doing this? Right Algore??

Ack
February 7, 2014 3:53 pm

2-4 feet of global warming expected in the mtns around here this weekend. Skiers in heaven.

February 7, 2014 3:54 pm

Reblogged this on Public Secrets and commented:
If only we had listened to Al Gore and signed Kyoto, we wouldn’t be suffering this horrid warming! Wait…

Richard Sharpe
February 7, 2014 3:54 pm

How much snow pack is there in the Sierras?

February 7, 2014 3:56 pm

Mike Jonas says:
February 7, 2014 at 3:36 pm
OK, but how normal or abnormal is this?
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First, one must define normal.

Lea
February 7, 2014 4:04 pm

As usual little rock is right on the line but I just looked outside and it’s covered in a nice light dusting! Someone at work was going on about the climate being really different. Ugh

February 7, 2014 4:05 pm

Normal is when a liberal complains that the increase in snow is due to global warming. What lemmings!

JessicaJ.
February 7, 2014 4:06 pm

Here in Houston we’ve had 3 frozen precipitation events this winter. Considering that we average 1 every 5 years, it’s been a completely crazy winter. We usually have warm temps over the winter with periods of cold, this winter has been cold with brief periods of warm. I’m not the only person around here ready for this winter to end.

Bob
February 7, 2014 4:07 pm

I think 2/3’s snow and ice cover is a tipping point. Welcome to the new ice age. Snowball earth, here we come!

Bob
February 7, 2014 4:08 pm

err…
I forgot the … tags.

Gary Pearse
February 7, 2014 4:10 pm

So we can now snowshoe from Hokkaido Japan over ice and snow to central Texas, or even from Bangladesh to Texas, or how about Pyongyang N. Korea to Texas where it is below freezing, snow forecast for tomorrow and sea ice is along the northeast coast of N. Korea.
See NOAA ESRL northern hemisphere surface temperatures on Sea Ice page (I don’t get the link on the Sea Ice page by clicking on the graphic)

Nyall St. John Smythe IV
February 7, 2014 4:12 pm

But…but…but Dr. David Viner said in 2000 that “within a few years winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event?”
He really let me down. I believed him and threw away all of my winter clothes. My mum has been buying books by the bulk at flea markets in order to heat our house because..because…because of Dr. Viner!
She locked me in the basement and is mad at me because I told her to sell her car and buy a boat because the sea level was supposed to be up to our house by now. I learned that from a movie about some kind of truth we didn’t or shouldn’t want to face. All I remember was some fat guy with a really big head had me and my friends really scared.
Well, she went ahead and sold the car and now I am in real trouble and she says I have to ride my bike five miles into town to buy the basic necessities. She won’t do it and blames me and not Dr. Viner and the guy with the big head.
Mum said when I turn 38 next week she’ll buy me a sled that I can use to drag the groceries back from the store. I found out bicycles don’t work too good on icy streets with lots of snow on them.
Anyone know where to find that guy the with big head?

Jo Gregg
February 7, 2014 4:20 pm

Meanwhile, in a surreal (albeit increasingly frequent) coincidence, the NYT has a column entitled “The End of Snow”…..Those guys are just too funny. Except for the billions of our tax dollars that their ideological (btw, theirs’ has nothing to do with logic) buddies in government have wasted on their Hoax of the Century.

Ed Clark
February 7, 2014 4:21 pm

It’s all Bush’s fault!

Americanman2012
February 7, 2014 4:26 pm

Porter Fox’s article in NYT has a delusional moment of climate change , feeling that the planet has warmed 7 degrees, and soon there will be no cities that will be able to host the Olympics because the snow won’t be there. Now a days journalists really believe if you keep saying something enough times, it becomes the truth. No one can change the weather by charging taxes . Man can’t change the weather with money. Obama has spent 8 trillion dollars and it hasn’t made the USA any better.

Richard Day
February 7, 2014 4:28 pm

god I hope those 350 nitwits are still standing in front of the WH. The key is to have gale force winds and -30c temps to really teach us a lesson about harmful CO2.

Americanman2012
February 7, 2014 4:34 pm

Will logic ever wake up the liberal mind. If we are being frozen out from the Northern Vortex, with sub minus temperatures, I ask them where do they think the cold came from, from freezer doors left open in many Canadian homes, ??? No , Could it be a Northern jet stream, blowing over the top of an enormous ice surface located in the Artic. Yeah,, could that be why they call it the polar vortex??? But you have sworn that all that ice has melted into the ocean. How can that be possible, that it’s back,,,, could it be a miracle, Praise the Lord , we’ve been healed.

February 7, 2014 4:36 pm

Here in Eugene, Oregon, we have about 8″ of fluffy, white global warmening on the ground, and it just keeps coming down. This is the second major event of white, fluffy global warmening this winter, the first of which brought us our coldest temperatures in 42 years, down to -10ºF, which is really something for the Willamette Valley.
As true proof of global warming, however, the white, fluffy stuff is supposed to change to freezing rain and then real rain by Saturday. That will show us that this whole Gore Event is either an illusion or merely a pause in Real Global Warming, which is obviously happening to us right now, but we just don’t have the proper insight or fudged data to prove it.

John F. Hultquist
February 7, 2014 4:36 pm

Inquiring mind: Are the Great Lakes and James Bay snow covered? The image shows them as black; likewise for some other large lakes. That has got to be a GIS mask.
For these area calculations are some or all lakes included depending on size?
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P. Hager says:
February 7, 2014 at 3:50 pm
Is it my imagination, but is there snow in the Sierra Mountains now? What impact will that have on the CA drought?

And it is raining in many places. S.F. has received 0.27 inches in the last 24 hours.
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Ack says “around here
I give up?

Leon Brozyna
February 7, 2014 4:36 pm

Over 9″ snow still on the ground with yet another wind chill advisory in effect.
Give me some of that global warming … I’d not mind it in the least if all the snow and ice melted away.

Steve from Rockwood
February 7, 2014 4:39 pm

At this rate it’s going to be too cold to host the Winter Olympics in North America.

JA Robles
February 7, 2014 4:39 pm

I wrote my novel “Atlas on Ice” long before this cold snap. In the story, Seattle Sector is the northernmost inhabited conurbation in the Combined Territories of the Americas. The snow map in this article resembles the perimeter of the glacier I imagined in a future ice age. It gives me chills. Pass the hot cocoa, please!

Richdo
February 7, 2014 4:45 pm

That’s a lot of albedo.

MNJaneDoe
February 7, 2014 4:47 pm

For John F. Hultquist
Lake superior is nearing freeze up now.
http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_25080492/lake-superior-nearing-rare-ice-over

Keith
February 7, 2014 4:51 pm

Here in Vermont we call it winter. It lasts from October until the end of May/early June when the four months of hard sledding begins. You have to leave snow tires on until Memorial Day and put them back on in October. Most years now I run snow tires all year and put new ones on in the fall.
This report makes you shake your head. http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/viewart/20140207/NEWS07/140207006/Climate-expert-New-England-ski-resorts-vulnerable
The 2012-2013 ski season was a bad year for skiing up here. Jay Peak received 362″ of natural snow though the previous season was their worst when they only received 251″. Their best year was 2000-2001 when they received nearly 600″
http://www.jaypeakresort.com/skiing-riding/the-mountain/snowfall-charts/

mrunpc
February 7, 2014 4:52 pm

From November, 2009, an article from Russia’s Pravda (the old Soviet propaganda outlet) actually published an article that you’ll NEVER see, ironically, in any of the current US Communist propaganda media outlets.
Anyway, it’s worth the read and is based on scientific facts, not opinionated crap put forth by the Al-E-Gore, man made global warming crowd…
http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/11-01-2009/106922-earth_ice_age-0/
“IF MAN CAUSES GLOBAL WARMING, WHO MELTED THE ICE AGES?”
http://www.zazzle.com/mrunpc
ANTI-Obama/Democrat/Commie/Union stickers, etc.

Steve from Rockwood
February 7, 2014 4:53 pm

John F. Hultquist says:
February 7, 2014 at 4:36 pm
Inquiring mind: Are the Great Lakes and James Bay snow covered?
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Lake Erie: 97% ice covered
Lake Ontario: 23%
Lake Huron: 67%
Lake Michigan: 38%
Lake Superior: 65%
Most ice at this time of year in 20 years.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/great-lakes-under-the-largest-cover-of-ice-in-20-years-1.2513076

February 7, 2014 4:53 pm
Bill H
February 7, 2014 4:55 pm

Where I live we just set new records two days in a row… New lowest temp (recorded for the day) of -28 and -30 respectively along with the highest (low) temp of -7 and -1 deg F…. This was a full 11 deg F BELOW the previous lows/highs that were recorded in the 1970’s…. But it is Wyoming and on top of the Continental Divide. Go Figure…

Bill H
February 7, 2014 4:57 pm

I forgot… the next storm starts tonight and will last three days or so… expecting about a foot of new global warming….

Jo Gregg
February 7, 2014 4:59 pm

Every single prediction that the climate warmists have made has failed to materialize. And no one ever holds their feet to the fire (pardon any apparent pun) and asks them to defend all of the misinformation they have been pumping into the national and international conversation about this topic. Meanwhile, any scientists that don’t toe the line can’t get promotions or tenure or grant money. And then the warmists run around doing polls on the subject, having successfully intimidated almost the entire science community, and then they tell us that the science is “decided” based on their “poll” results.
On a lighter note, given the warmists’ dire predictions of warming over the last 20 years or so, God certainly has a keen sense of humor, there hasn’t been any.

Steve from Rockwood
February 7, 2014 5:00 pm

John F. Hultquist says:
February 7, 2014 at 4:36 pm
Inquiring mind: Are the Great Lakes and James Bay snow covered?
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Hudson Bay and James Bay appear to be completely covered in ice.
http://ice-glaces.ec.gc.ca/prods/WIS54CT/20140203180000_WIS54CT_0007502582.pdf

February 7, 2014 5:03 pm

Snow and winter is the reminder that this planet is still very much in the grip of a brutal Ice Age. Which is by no means “normal” historically on a geological scale.

Matthew Dunnyveg
February 7, 2014 5:05 pm

Sorry, but the case is being overstated here, at least somewhat. I live in Texas behind that alleged snow line and we don’t have a bit of the stuff on the ground, although it’s definitely cold enough. We could sure use the moisture too.

February 7, 2014 5:07 pm

Funny comments. I enjoyed reading this after reading the NYT article slated for Sunday opinion “The End of Snow?” by Porter Fox. You can’t comment on Porter’s article but after reading his diatribe, I made up my mind he is a 1% who is paid to write the garbage. I about threw up reading it. No wonder the NYT is going under, they print garbage such as Porter Fox.

February 7, 2014 5:12 pm

Ever notice snow is white just like Tea Party folk, well if the shoe fits and according to the ‘new’ Democrat party we hear about every other day, snow is a racist.

rogerknights
February 7, 2014 5:14 pm

Anthony: Headline error: “Continental” (which includes Alaska) should not have been used. “Contiguous” (as in CONUS) was the right word.
REPLY: Yes, continental USA: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_United_States Old habits die hard.
No biggie though and probably not worth making a fuss over (except for the pedantists), but I’ll change it. 😉 -A

Al Hoove
February 7, 2014 5:16 pm

Oh, but remember, weather is NOT climate. So just because we’re all freezing our patooties off doesn’t mean the globe isn’t in a dangerous long term warming trend. Unless today’s weather is warmer than usual, in which case the alarmists tell us warm weather is a symptom of global warming. Piers Morgan made precisely that point on a warm day in NYC in 2012: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWT-EWKIR3M
Cold weather means global warming is caused by man. Warm weather is the proof. Forget falsifiability. This is SCIENCE! Which is settled. Irrevocably. So shut up and do what the Al Gore type politicians tell you. Send them all your money. Now. Before the polar bears drown in… ice.

John M
February 7, 2014 5:20 pm

Erie and Superior now >90%, Huron closing in on it.
http://www.natice.noaa.gov/products/great_lakes.html
(Click on either West (Sup & Mich) or East (Hur. Erie & Ont), hit submit, and then click on the most recent jpg file (old to newest going from tip to bottom.)

john robertson
February 7, 2014 5:26 pm

We are doomed.
DOOMEd I tell yah.
We will never be able to shovel our way out of all this global warming..
At least snow melts in the spring, political BS, senseless regulations and lying stealing weasels never seem to go away.

Elmer
February 7, 2014 5:26 pm

I don’t see Alaska on the map. It is also on the North American continent. Perhaps, you meant contiguous.
REPLY: perhaps you need to refresh – A

Frank Warmer
February 7, 2014 5:32 pm

Hey, why don’t we send a shipload of Global Warming scientists down to Antarctica to see how much ice is there??? With GW it must all be gone because Al Gore said it would all be gone by this time. Oh, wait….we already did that…oh snap.

John M
February 7, 2014 5:36 pm

Great Lakes all on one slide with thicknesses added.
Interesting that some areas less than 100% covered still have pieces of ice 12-24 inches thick.
http://www.natice.noaa.gov/pub/special/great_lakes/2014/uscg_district_9_support/combined_slide/glslide140206thick_ct.jpg

Herb
February 7, 2014 5:38 pm

All the sarcastic posts warm my heart. LOL

February 7, 2014 5:40 pm

But, but, but,……. Obama says there isn’t any snow. Only global warming.
Libs – What a bunch of SUCKERS!

Eamon Butler.
February 7, 2014 5:46 pm

How certain are we exactly that co2 is causing all this warming?

Carbomontanus
February 7, 2014 5:47 pm

Anthony Watts
This means less for eventual global warming or not.
We have had that discussion here in Norway relating to glaciers, on whether you can judge from growth or shrinking of glacers on waming of climate. Which you can not, but the principle is rather easy and elementary glaciology.
If there is high percipitation in the winter and dry in the summer, the glaciers will grow, given unchanged temperatures.
The opposite no snow in the winters however cold and cool and warm pissing in the summers,… that takes on the blue ice and reduces the glaciers.
Then you can both understand and discuss it, but those things must be seen together as a whole.
We also have the very important situation of no glaciers in Sibir and hardly in Ural however ice ages, but Folgefonni and Svartisen right where the warm atlantic winds come in. And on your side extreemly dry and rainshadow west and northwest of Grønland.
It is as easy as that, and Spitzbergen Svalbard with another ice age history than the mainlands in Europe and North america, because Svalbard is in the arctic “high” and “arctic easterlies”
Snow is to be discussed the same way.
In Sibir, the Reindeers go down on the icy lakes and permafrosts in summer to avoid insects and up on the green hills to eat. Here they withdraw to the high glaciers to avoid insects and down to the green slopes to eat. .
But tell them over there that they should be glad for snow, because it means water, and that summer sure will come. That is a quite certain meteorological longtime forcast.
The rule here is: “Mai Kulde gjør Bondens lader fulde” (That you grasp)
Cool and even snow in Mai means water, and because of the western European Monsune, there is danger of springtime draught. June with those very long days give light enough for photosynthesis.
Thus the Sun Halo in April is the very old and heathen symbol of wealth and luck, later christianized as the sun cross.
Tell them also that the sun Halo is a most certain signal of rain tomorrow, On Haloes, forget the meteorological institute and the weather forecasts.
Fimbulvinter is 3 winters on a row without summer and then comes Ragnarokk.
Thor will then kill the big snake, the polar vortex, but the snake wil breathe so much poison into his face that also Thor dies at Ragnarok.
If that is certain, I don`t know.

pat
February 7, 2014 5:50 pm

something to amuse while u remain indoors to escape the cold:
7 Feb: NYT Dot Earth: Andrew C. Revkin: A Conversation on Tobacco and Coal Exports and Moral Responsibility
I sent my recent post on exports of life-shortening tobacco and dirty fossil fuels to a variety of climate and energy scientists and analysts and the result was an interesting email conversation that is excerpted below…
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/07/a-conversation-on-tobacco-and-coal-exports-and-moral-responsibility/?_php=true&_type=blogs&module=BlogPost-Title&version=Blog%20Main&contentCollection=Opinion&action=Click&pgtype=Blogs&region=Body&_r=0

Mike Maguire
February 7, 2014 5:52 pm

What “could” happen is an uptick in severe weather and violent tornadoes in Springs that follow cold Winters like this. With almost absolute certainty, if/when this happens, it will be blamed on climate change from humans………..even as some of us note that last year had the least amount of tornadoes since accurate records have been kept.
Strong to violent tornado numbers were highest during the modest global cooling in the 50’s-60’s-70’s. A mainly isolated big exception occurred in the Spring of 2011, but then we had conditions similar to the period of the 50’s to 70’s which featured more La Nina’s and cold Winters/Springs.
A negative PDO is also more frequent during these periods that seem to repeat every 60 years or so(around half of them negative, half positive PDO)
The Pacific Ocean and atmosphere seem to be in the same part/mode of this natural cycle as we were back in the 1970’s for instance. This Winter has been more like a Winter from the 1970’s than one in the 80’s/90’s, when the same cycle, on the flip side, had a warming influence.
The Super Outbreak in early April 1974, for example, occurred less than 2 weeks after a piece of the “Polar Vortex” had dropped as far south as Northern Minnesota.
There are numerous ingredients needed for an outbreak of violent, long lived tornadoes with a powerful jet stream near the top of the list. These powerful jet streams tend to coincide with the boundaries of strongly contrasting air masses.
During our Springs, when violent tornado frequency is highest, the Gulf of Mexico is always there with its warm, humid air. Air of Pacific origin that has moisture wrung out traveling over the mountains is often available with a “dry line” existing in the Plains and becoming a significant feature in outbreaks.
One of the elements that is often a key to the potency of the jet stream, development of a deep surface cyclone and intense, veering wind fields(sheer) is the amount of cold air available.
The longer that Winters cold lingers(and snow cover lasts) the more explosive it can be when combining with heat and humidity that build in the south in response to the suns increasing angle/strength.
Regarding the near future, we have some moderation in store for temperatures in the hard hit Midwest next week. Hopefully, the end of Winter will be more kind to us. One thing that has been fairly persistent is, not only the cold but the models consistently UNDER forecasting it and the pattern that has been causing it most of the Winter.
At the moment, we still have a mind boggling upper level ridge in Eastern Siberia and down stream an upper level trough with the cold air connection for us. The models say this ridge will weaken and retrograde(move west) and a strong Pacific jet stream(tops winds over 150 mph at times) will slam into the West Coast and flood much of the country with milder oceanic air.
A deep snow pack will keep things from warming up too fast but if this pattern kicks in, the weather will improve greatly. Oregon and Washington would get some welcome precip too.

Editor
February 7, 2014 5:54 pm

Anyone know what this means for the California Drought?
Anthony?
I am a California Boy, born and bred.
REPLY: Not much, our storm this weekend may bring us to 20-25% of normal snowpack from the 15% we are at now – A

February 7, 2014 5:54 pm

Regarding the End of Snow at the Olympics article in the NY Times. I would say the Rutgers Snow Lab data suggests the Northern Hemispheres last 4 years were the snowiest in the last 47 years.
http://sunshinehours.wordpress.com/2014/02/07/the-ny-times-thinks-it-is-the-end-of-snow-for-the-olympics/

Latitude
February 7, 2014 5:55 pm
Gail Combs
February 7, 2014 5:57 pm

Grandpa Delight says: @ February 7, 2014 at 5:07 pm
…. No wonder the NYT is going under, they print garbage such as Porter Fox.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The NYT was the home of:
http://www.amazon.com/Stalins-Apologist-Walter-Duranty-Timess/dp/0195057007
You would think they would have learned…. or at least the readers would have voted with their feet.

February 7, 2014 5:57 pm

Did anyone else notice in Obama’s State of the Union Address that he said “climate change” is real
NOT global warming?? Of course “climate change” is real. The earth’s climate has been changing for 3 billion years.

Box of Rocks
February 7, 2014 6:00 pm

Actually find your Headline misleading.
If you count the states that have snow covered ground you will find that only two states lack snow cover are Florida and Hawaii and I bet their is snow on the top of the mountains in Hawaii!

February 7, 2014 6:04 pm

Huh! When Dallas freezes over! Oh wait………

u.k.(us)
February 7, 2014 6:05 pm

This is what I’ve got bookmarked, it auto-updates.
http://www.glerl.noaa.gov/res/glcfs/glcfs.php?lake=l&ext=ice&type=N&hr=00
Lake Michigan might freeze-up yet ?
The 5 day forecast (in Chicago) never gets above freezing even for high temps.

Mike Maguire
February 7, 2014 6:05 pm

“One thing that has been fairly persistent is, not only the cold but the models consistently UNDER forecasting it and the pattern that has been causing it most of the Winter”
That would mean OVER forecasting temperatures which have consistently come in colder than what the models “thought”
Cold waves dropping south have been colder than expected much of the time this Winter. Also, once you get a huge area of snow pack, it is like being locked into the freezer.
Cold air masses traveling over it are not modified as much as they would be over bare soil.
During a sunny day, albedo is much higher over snow of course and at night, with clear skies and calm winds its incredible how much colder we get with deep snow (being a good emitter of radiation).
I wonder how much total heat this massive snow pack over the US radiates out and how much heat is lost during the day from it reflecting sunlight?

Pamela Gray
February 7, 2014 6:06 pm

The wheat farmers here at the base of the Blue Mountains in Oregon have this to say to “climate change” scientists: Change it back! The winter wheat roots indicate that Hell has officially frozen over!

phodges
February 7, 2014 6:07 pm

Paging Dr. Viner….paging Dr. Viner….
Regarding the Sierra snowpack…we got about 1-2 feet out of the storm last week, the first real precipitation since Dec 2012. Before that there was no snowpack to speak of.
Current water survey at Mammoth Pass, 5th driest year:
2014 = 8.5 in. H2O (currently at 22% of full winter precip ave.)
1977 = 4.3 in. H2O ….end of winter result = 20.5% of average
1991 = 4.7 in. H2O ….end of winter result = 67.4% of average
1987 = 7.3 in. H2O ….end of winter result = 51.0% of average
2012 = 8.7 in. H2O ….end of winter result = 48.3% of average
2007 = 8.8 in. H2O ….end of winter result = 41.9% of average
1976 =10.1in. H2O ….end of winter result = 44.8% of average
1948 =10.2in. H2O ….end of winter result = 60.2% of average
1994 =10.3in. H2O ….end of winter result = 57.2% of average
Current forecast:
AS A RESULT, MOST SNOW BELOW 8000 FEET WILL FALL TONIGHT. WITH QPF AMOUNTS THROUGH EARLY SUNDAY MORNING ON THE ORDER OF 3-5 INCHES NEAR THE SIERRA CREST, SNOW TOTALS ABOVE 8000 FEET WILL BE ON THE
ORDER OF 2-3 FEET OF SIERRA CEMENT…
forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=REV&product=AFD&format=CI&version=1&glossary=1
hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/qpf/p120i12.gif

Gail Combs
February 7, 2014 6:14 pm

john robertson says: @ February 7, 2014 at 5:26 pm
… At least snow melts in the spring, political BS, senseless regulations and lying stealing weasels never seem to go away.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I have good news. Obama is shutting down 10% of the US electrical generating capacity by 2015 but it is not evenly spread out. Most of it is in a three state circle around Washington DC….
The shut down is not only coal but up to 1/3 of the nuclear plants and some Hydro.
http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2012/08/01/generating-companies-are-shuttering-coal-plants-at-record-rates-eia-reports/
http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2013/10/14/several-u-s-nuclear-plants-retiring-early-others-at-risk/

Chad Wozniak
February 7, 2014 6:19 pm

The NYT should rename itself Voelkischer Beobachter, to better describe its divorce from truth and fact. The end of snow? In the middle of a winter like this? The writer of this article needs to have his head examined. Art what point does delusion reach the point of incompetence to manage one’s own affairs?

finnegan
February 7, 2014 6:20 pm

Looks like all our efforts to fight global warming are really working!!! Yay!! Saved humanity again!! (tee hee /end sarcasm)

DiHydrogenMonoxide
February 7, 2014 6:26 pm

But the NYT just reported “This is no longer a scientific debate. It is scientific fact.” with regards to climate change / global warming. Funny how they wouldn’t allow comments on that article online… wouldn’t want anyone to debate the “scientific facts” now would we.

Gail Combs
February 7, 2014 6:27 pm

Carbomontanus says: @ February 7, 2014 at 5:47 pm
…. discussion here in Norway relating to glaciers….
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
A new approach for reconstructing glacier variability based on lake sediments recording input from more than one glacier
A discussion of the paper Norway Experiencing Greatest Glacial Activity in the past 1,000 year

Joe Drager
February 7, 2014 6:32 pm

It snows in winter; go figure.

Bull Shysta
February 7, 2014 6:33 pm

It was global warming until Al Gore sold his interest in the Chicago Carbon Exchange for millions of dollars then it became Climate Change which has led to $3.00 incandescent light bulbs becoming an endangered species forcing average U.S. citizens to purchase $15 mercury filled CFL bulbs, further filling Gore’s wallet via his interest in the manufactures of CFL bulbs and the smart meters utility companies are installing at homes around the nation. All this while Al Gore uses 20 times the electricity of the average U.S. citizen and buys “carbon credits” from his own company to offset his waste. A total inconvenient hippocrit

Mac the Knife
February 7, 2014 6:47 pm

John M says:
February 7, 2014 at 5:36 pm
Great Lakes all on one slide with thicknesses added.
Interesting that some areas less than 100% covered still have pieces of ice 12-24 inches thick.

John M,
That 12-24 inch thick ice is just the weak new ice, not the old thick ice like the Great Lakes used to have! You know, the mile thick old ice we used to get before man made global warming?! Now that made the ice fishing on Green Bay really rough, dontcha know?! };>)

Babylonandon
February 7, 2014 6:47 pm

And its Freakin’ cold, too. Wisconsin WANTED Global Warming. Crap its already February and its still 7º and the WC is -7º.
WTH! I WANTED MY DARN PALM TREES!!!!

February 7, 2014 6:48 pm

Why do you people remind me of Icarus? Man is in control of the heavens and earth. Anthony has been right about this from day one. Thanks.

Scott
February 7, 2014 6:52 pm

I live in Wooster, Ohio. Frost line today is 22 inches. It’s been cold!

Joe
February 7, 2014 6:55 pm

The far north of North America is abnormally warm now; basically we have their weather now, they have ours…

February 7, 2014 6:57 pm

Uh, didn’t Gaseous Al Gore recently build a mansion in the tsunami zone where it will get flattened if his bullshirt man-made global warming propaganda were actually true to reality?

February 7, 2014 6:58 pm

Uh, didn’t Gaseous Al Gore recently build a mansion in the tsunami zone where it will get flattened if his phony-baloney man-made global warming propaganda were actually true to reality?

Alan Robertson
February 7, 2014 7:00 pm

Gail Combs says:
February 7, 2014 at 6:14 pm
I have good news. Obama is shutting down 10% of the US electrical generating capacity by 2015 but it is not evenly spread out. Most of it is in a three state circle around Washington DC….
______________
I.Can’t. Wait.

wws
February 7, 2014 7:02 pm

Carbomontanus lightly mentioned “Fimbulwinter” – probably just a piece of old Norse mythology, but just possibly an ancient memory of a worldwide climactic event which occurred around 535 – 536.
if it happened once, it can happen again.

February 7, 2014 7:27 pm

We must eliminate CO2 and kill all life on the planet…

February 7, 2014 7:33 pm

Follow these steps in order.
Carefully set your drink down a safe distance from your keyboard.
Google “Al Gore adductors second chakra”.
Click on one of the top 3 or 4 links returned.
Read the truth.
Allow laughter to ensue.

JMac
February 7, 2014 7:37 pm

Why can’t president obama just declare an executive order and dictate that as of February 7th temperatures below 32 in the continental United States are not allowed? Isn’t that what kings do?

Gary
February 7, 2014 7:48 pm

My entire yard is covered in frozen snow. My driveway is still a frozen snow-packed wasteland. Did I mention I live just west of the land of cotton? Greetings from Arkansas. Snow-locked USA. At least they got the roads somewhat clear. The main roads that is. It is frigid and it must stop. We ain’t used to single digit mornings, teens for the high. Not like this. Everybody is complaining, praying for Spring. Word.

Tom J
February 7, 2014 7:53 pm

I have to apologize to everybody here, in fact everybody in the US except for skiers. You know how when you bring an umbrella that ensures it doesn’t rain? Well, that works in reverse sometimes. This is the first year ever, in my entire life that I have ever bought … I can barely say it … snow tires.
I’m sorry.

oracle2world
February 7, 2014 8:01 pm

Snow tires? WTF? How about chains too?

Gary
February 7, 2014 8:03 pm

Climate/Weather, Climate/Weather – I know, I know. As the climate warms the weather cools. I get that. At least on the surface. It’s hard to wrap my head around. So as the earth quickly burns while it’s freezing, I will have known that I did good by paying extra for measures that brought about… what? Y’all tell me. The worm is turning. Opinion is turning. The climate might just be turning. At least for a little while 😉

Kristen
February 7, 2014 8:04 pm

well, we don’t have any here. the forecast for snow this weekend has been changed to no snow. it’s been sunny (unusual) and more clear than it has been for awhile. Just colder than normal. my son would like snow. every time he hears the temp, he says all we need is some precipitation and we can have snow. I can see new snow in the mts. – but they have been pretty sorry for snowpack so far this season.

Editor
February 7, 2014 8:16 pm

Penny Robinson Fan Club Feb 7 3:56pm “First, one must define normal”. I did mean it as a serious question, but I didn’t mean anything precise by “normal”. Just that it would be interesting to know how often such conditions had occurred in the past. Obviously it is exceptional within the last 11 years, but that’s a pretty short period. What about the 1960s eg, or 1910s? I couldn’t find any data.

February 7, 2014 8:18 pm

Southern Missouri has about 1″ snow & cold 3° temps. Better than ice cover.

Eugene WR Gallun
February 7, 2014 8:19 pm

There is about 3 or 4 inches of snow on the streets of Portland, Oregon. Temperature was 16 degrees at noon. Supposedly more snow is coming tonight. This is a good weekend to play WOW and work on PLATO’S SYMPOSIUM. For Monday, they are predicting temperatures in the high forties.
Eugene WR Gallun

Nick
February 7, 2014 8:29 pm

The planet is warming; we’ve seen it! Theeere are fairies dancing at the bottom of my garden. I’ve seen them!

Justin Case
February 7, 2014 8:56 pm

The Nature Nazis need to be placed into the dust bin of history with all the other clowns.

John from Oz
February 7, 2014 9:09 pm

Americanman2012 says:
“No one can change the weather by charging taxes.”
Yes they can! Prime Minister Julia Gillard did just that in Australia 18 months ago and ever since her Carbon Tax was introduced global temperatures have gone south. North America, blame the freeze on Julia.
We got rid of her and her government last year in the hope of warmer weather for all, but her stupid Labor Party Senators won’t vote for the Carbon Tax to be repealed. So we keep paying the carbon tax and North America keeps freezing.
Oh the insanity of it all. When will it end?

John F. Hultquist
February 7, 2014 9:19 pm

For those answering my question about lakes at 4:36:
I have been monitoring the freeze up using one of the sites mentioned in a comment. I have a relative that lives in one of the “lake-effect” zones and poke a bit of fun her way when she gets buried. With Lake Erie covered in ice the snow on the ground is hardly worth mentioning. The temp in Cleveland is now 6° F, on its way to -1° F. Ouch! [5:16 Z, on the 8th]
I still think the Lakes ought to be shown with “snow depth” unless the sensors can’t do snow over ice.

Janice Moore
February 7, 2014 9:30 pm

Joe? (at 6:55pm today) I just looked up the weather about 5 minutes ago here:
http://weather.gc.ca/canada_e.html
And selected temps. from “far north of North America”:
Whitehorse minus17
Yellowknife minus 29
Iqaluit minus 18
St. John’s minus 11
And even farther north… as in at 82 deg. 30 min., at Alert, Nunavit: minus 31
(Source: http://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/nu-22_metric_e.html)
Your move, Joe. Show us the historical temps. that prove that it is significantly warmer this year in the far north of North America.
Re: “…they have ours.” ?? As in what location? Are you coming to us from your tent high in the Andes? Your little ice hut on Lake Michigan? The meat locker in your cousin Leroy’s butcher shop?

Dr. Pepper
February 7, 2014 9:32 pm

I am in Newberg Oregon. We have 12 inches of snow on the ground. Global warming my ass.

Darren Potter
February 7, 2014 9:36 pm

Based on Global Warming and 4-inches of snow in my yard, I can only conclude that increased levels of man-made CO2 has raised freezing temperature of water by 1.5 degrees F.
/sarc (In case Al Gore or Michael Mann reads this…)

Mike R from frozen ND
February 7, 2014 9:39 pm

HEY PORTER!! HEY PORTER!! I still can’t figure out whether you are worried about your elite, high priced ski resorts going under or that global warming isn’t being taken seriously. (NYT article) Since you have personally assured all of us that global warming caused by humans is no longer a discussion but a fact, I don’t understand why you are still trying to convince all of us. And since you leave no room for comments on your article I presume you are afraid of some serious discussion of your so-called “undisputed facts”. Keep beatin the drum, Porter….someone might listen. But then they may disagree with you. Here’s hoping you can save winter. ( I can’t believe I just said that)

Darren Potter
February 7, 2014 9:42 pm

oracle2world says: “Snow tires? WTF? How about chains too?”
4×4 with studded snow tires on all 4, and 200 pounds of sand in back.
The aforementioned is for getting you in to trouble, the chains are reserved for getting you out.
:O

February 7, 2014 9:45 pm

bwaahahahahahaahahaaaa!!!! Are y’all having fun DRIVING in the SNOW???? You see *this* is why you’re so good at it… because you live in SUCKVILLE!!!!! Don’t worry, it’ll be gone by the end of May, lol. Meanwhile, we in the South are stocking up on SALT… for our MARGARITAS!!!!!

Bruno
February 7, 2014 9:46 pm

Oh joy global warming has sure made it cold. Where’s al gore when you need him. What a laugh!

Dale Muncie
February 7, 2014 10:11 pm

It is warmer in my refridgerator than outdoors. Vancouver, WA.

Gino
February 7, 2014 10:26 pm

Well, In the winter of ’78 it snowed enough in Tucson Az for me to make a 2ft snow man in my backyard. The summer before when I was living in Germany they had a week of 80 degree weather and it was the worst drought anyone could remember. So, all of this is business as usual. Sorry Mr. Mann.

Jason
February 7, 2014 10:29 pm

Now can Al Gore (who won a Pulitzer for his global warming farce) and all of the LibTards EVERYWHERE STFU and just admit they were wrong?! Oh wait, colder winters go hand in hand with global warming, I forgot. Seriously! These people need to form their own little island commune and leave the world alone. Enough with the lies and hidden agendas!

ldd
February 7, 2014 10:34 pm

The V shape of snow cover represents the images of the radar (in the Live Weather Roll sidebar) for much of this winter; big semi-continent sized white V’s of cloud cover or at least the east half of one, Huge white streak that runs the continent from Texas into the Atlantic provinces of Canada.
Been many very cold nights and days here in eastern Ontario – lots of nights in the -20C’s and 30C’s. Crazy multiply vehicle pile ups on the highways, reminds me of the 70’s in many ways.
Sadly I believe the ones who say there may be indications we may be hitting a cold/cool spell.

Txomin
February 7, 2014 10:37 pm

Snow is a thing of the past. Enjoy with while it lasts.

February 7, 2014 10:43 pm

A reporter panics outside Philadelphia about the coming ice storm:

Jason
February 7, 2014 10:44 pm

Txomin AKA Al Gore.

Jason
February 7, 2014 10:48 pm

Blame it on the gun owners. I’m sure this is our fault too.

ROM
February 7, 2014 10:50 pm

Meanwhile just for interest, here in Horsham in the west of the state of Victoria right down in the SE of Australia the official temperature at our airfield at 5.30 pm ESDT [ 6.30 UTC ] is still running at a nice warm 41.5 C [ 107 F ] after reaching a top of 42.9 C [ 109 F ] about 40 minutes ago.
We finished launching about 30 gliders from our airfield in that 40 degree heat around 2 pm on what is the last day of our 48th consecutive Horsham Week 8 day long gliding competition.
The big open and racing class gliders are on a task some 700 kms long and are enjoying, along with the other class pilots, the cool airs of a 12,000 to 14,000 foot cloud base [ For pilots, ground elevation here is 440 ft ASL ] They will probably take about 5- 1/2 hours or considerably less to complete the task and arrive back later this evening.
As we say, you don’t have to be mad to get involved with gliding particularly for the ground crews but it helps !
And we are still a degree or more away from the top temperature today as measured in a couple of other regional localities.
After all the woe and bitching about the extreme cold and snow and etc , I just thought I might enliven your day with a short version of how the other half lives. 🙂

Colorado Wellington
February 7, 2014 10:52 pm

Jo Gregg says:
February 7, 2014 at 4:20 pm

Meanwhile, in a surreal (albeit increasingly frequent) coincidence, the NYT has a column entitled “The End of Snow”…..

I’m not sure when it happened but the master of juxtaposition Matt Drudge has the NYT article and this WUWT post linked at the top:

NYT: The End of Snow?
Over two-thirds of continental USA covered…

Matt must be pleased by the well-timed idiocy of the New York Times piece. I guess at least some of the delighted commenters come here from the Drudge Report.

February 7, 2014 11:05 pm

[snip . . you may well be correct but it is off topic. . . mod]

Colorado Wellington
February 7, 2014 11:27 pm

Eric Simpson says:
February 7, 2014 at 10:43 pm

A reporter panics outside Philadelphia about the coming ice storm …

Thanks for a great link. I think the reporter is describing the developing dangerous situation quite well. She speaks emphatically but I don’t sense panic. She understands that a multi-day ice storm without power will lead to a crisis for many unprepared people.

Sue
February 7, 2014 11:36 pm

It’s my birthday and I wished for snow…sorry!

Carbomontanus
Reply to  Sue
February 8, 2014 5:21 am

@ ren
hwere do you have it from?
That is normally a good signal. It means that the sun is coming back in the spring and Ozone is building back up there.
There has also been a very big sunspot right towards us with aurorae and that is a lot of more UV and x- rays in this direction making Ozone up there, which is what can possibly warm up by the sun.
The snake (midgardsormen) will like it. Then he goes home.

February 7, 2014 11:58 pm

Nearly everywhere you look, that white stuff keeps piling up; Maine, Nebraska, Ohio, Texas, Chicago (ungrateful recipient of 33.7 inches of white stuff), Kansas City, Indianapolis and New York City.
http://thepointman.wordpress.com/2014/02/06/gott-mit-uns/
Pointman

Janice Moore
February 8, 2014 12:02 am

Eric Simpson — That reporter’s unprofessional editorializing (she was making educated guesses NOT reporting, (headshake)) in such an obnoxiously strident tone was SO annoying that I could only listen to her to the 40 sec. mark. AAAaaaaaa! Half the people are probably already DEAD in that town because the sound of her voice coming over their TV sets (controlled by their spouse or roommate or dad or whoever who didn’t mind the brain-grating sound of an adult spoiled brat-type voice) drove them out of their houses where they quickly succumbed to hypothermia — anything but that voice!!!!!!
Mr. Wellington — you have a gracious and amazingly high tolerance for an annoying female voice. I sure hope it isn’t from years of having to endure such a voice… (“… and I told you I wanted that done before I got home and what did you do? You sat around all afternoon watching football and now it’s getting too damp to paint and how many times have I reminded you this week that we NEED to get that garage painted and I suppose you forgot to pick up the dry cleaning and did you remember to buy dog food and why are you wearing that shirt again and …… ” — lovely, hm?)
Whoa. THAT was awful.

Janice Moore
February 8, 2014 12:05 am

Nice post at 10:52pm, Mr. Wellington — delightful irony, indeed.

maroon vee
February 8, 2014 12:14 am

NYTs is wondering why they are losing their revenue… 12%… Today they reported it’s the END Of Snow… I am not kidding.

YouGotToBeKiddingMe
February 8, 2014 12:14 am

Global warming is giving me frostbite.

YouGotToBeKiddingMe
February 8, 2014 12:17 am

I yearn for the good old days, you know, the ice age.

ren
February 8, 2014 12:27 am

Polar vortex will withdraw after the 12 February, will be closer to Europe. Winter lasts.
http://earth.nullschool.net/#2014/02/12/0600Z/wind/isobaric/70hPa/orthographic=25.39,93.04,481

February 8, 2014 12:45 am

If you really believe this cold is caused by the warming of the planet ! You need to be dragged kicking and screaming from your home and staked in the snow till you are part of the fossil record.

tty
February 8, 2014 12:46 am

As of this moment you can ski from Dallas to Kabul or Teheran. Can’t make it to Baghdad though, the white stuff runs out about a hundred miles short.

Carbomontanus
Reply to  tty
February 8, 2014 8:39 am

@ all and everyone
tty remarks that now you can go by ski from Dallas to Teheran.
Yes, really remarkable.
Then a few persons find it counter- dicting global warming.
That idea or syndrom is typical of psychologically inferiour dia- lectic materialism. Rather take a good example from me. I tell you proper fairy- tales if there is anything more. I do not fight science.
I wrote a long lecture on the principle of Le Chatelier.
You see, if it is heated, there will be more vapour in the air. That follows from the vapour pressure curve of water. Then, will there also be more winds? I don`t know. Anthony Watts must answer to that as a meteorologist. Rumors say that there will be more winds.
But Aristoteles says that what goes up must come down again (where were you when elementary scolastics was told in public school?)
Now we have middle of February, that is normal temperature minimum on the northern hemisphere, and remark extreemly intensely, when the IOC allways arranges winter olympics.
Thus thinking in terms of the principle of Le Chatelier makes this go very well together. That ma snow does not counter- dict,…….. it does counter- act! global warming.
Thus a signal of global warming. Pay chosmetic surgery and get rid of that Dia- lectic materialism and use Le Chateliers Principle as your body lotion instead, and you will easily see this.
It is a typical negative feedback, one of the very fameous Thermostat- effects related to water, and telling that we seem well away from any “runaway effect” and rather at a complex eqvilibrium. Not at a silly “Cycle”. Because, that idea is also old Hegelian Marxist vulgar Dia- lectic materialist childish phantacies from the STALIN epoch. .
Thus, If you just amputate Dia- lectic materialism and resign og fighting a hockeystick, reallizing that it is perhaps rather a scytch and not a hocke\ystick, and resign on that silly thinktank republican war against science…..
……then all this snow can rather be seen as a very positive and a healthy signal from Reality and from “GAIA” or rather KALI we call her.
The whiteness of snow, the Albedo is also another property of that fameous material.
Here on our side it is rather warm and England reports pissing and raining. I have a fingerwidth above freezing point, it is practically zero outdoor.
By this precipitation we will further exel in hydroelectric power.
Snow on the prairies,…. how marvellous!
In California they pray for rain.

Al Gore
February 8, 2014 12:51 am

This is what happens when you don’t pay your carbon offsets.

Richards in Vancouver
February 8, 2014 12:57 am

You fools! You blind, credulous fools! That’s not snow out there.
It’s ash. Fine white ash. From all the heat.
Feel better now?
/off

Colorado Wellington
February 8, 2014 1:04 am

Janice Moore says:
February 8, 2014 at 12:02 am

You showed me a perspective I failed to consider, my fair lady Janice. My tolerance may be higher but I do find displeasure in the kind of discourse you describe. And if there is musical quality to the reporter’s voice then it is music I generally avoid.
Do you remember the celebrated reporting by Deborah Feyerick on CNN assignment in Watertown?

“Something just happened. We don’t know what it is.”

“Something has just happened. Police officers are running, we have a dog, a dog that’s on its way. Interesting, that dog is barking. Whether that’s a canine, we don’t know.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-reporter-on-the-scene-in-watertown-reports-interesting-that-dog-is-barking

ren
February 8, 2014 1:11 am

Why models do not provide for such behavior polar vortex?
Because there foresee that the sun goes to sleep.

Leon Brozyna
February 8, 2014 1:15 am

Paraphrasing a sign seen outside a local church last month … Whoever’s been praying for snow — please stop … we have enough.

Peter Mott
February 8, 2014 2:07 am

In England it has been very mild – most of the South West has been flooded, the Somsert Levels for weeks – but no snow/ice. Where I live in Yorkshire it has been veryu mild, not a snow flake has fallen and not a sliver of ice has formed on little pond. Nice. Min you 2010 was a pig of a winter here.

February 8, 2014 2:17 am

Al Gore stated quite clearly that the polar ice caps would be melted by now. We need to petition the White House that upon Al Gore’s death, he be frozen and put on permanent display at the Smithsonian… A small placard “Manbearpig” will be all the reminder the world needs.

February 8, 2014 2:20 am

The insanity of the global warmists can best be found here: http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm

Jimbo
February 8, 2014 2:28 am

Here is a reminder of what they told us to expect in a Warmer world. Over 60 quotes promising warm winters with less snow.
Here is a sample.

“Warm Winters Result From Greenhouse Effect, Columbia Scientists Find, Using NASA Model …
Despite appearing as part of a natural climate oscillation, the large increases in wintertime surface temperatures over the continents may therefore be attributable in large part to human activities,”
Science Daily, Dr. Drew Shindell 4 June 1999
————–
According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, within a few years winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”.
Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,” he said.
David Viner, Climatic Research Unit, University of East Anglia, 20 March 2000
————–
“Snowlines are going up in altitude all over the world. The idea that we will get less snow is absolutely in line with what we expect from global warming.”
WalesOnline, Sir John Houghton – atmospheric physicist, 30 June 2007
————–
“In summer under certain conditions the scientists reckon with a complete melting of the Arctic sea ice. For Europe we expect an increase in drier and warmer summers. Winters on the other hand will be warmer and wetter.”
Erich Roeckner, Max Planck Institute, Hamburg, 29 Sept 2005
————–
“We have seen that in the last years and decades that winters have become much milder than before and that there isn’t nearly as much snowfall. All simulations show this trend will continue in the future and that we have to expect an intense warming in the Alps. […] especially in the foothills, snow will turn to rain and winter sports will no longer be possible anymore.”
Mojib Latif, Leibnitz Institute for Oceanography, University of Kiel, February 17, 2005
————–
Unfortunately, it’s just getting too hot for the Scottish ski industry.”
David Viner, Climatic Research Unit, University of East Anglia, 14 Feb 2004

And now back to reality.

7 February 2014
Flooding, snow cause chaos in Europe
7th February 2014
Heavy snow hits the Alps (again)
5th February 2014
“Scots ski resorts enjoying more snow than Russian Winter Olympics”
Glenshee Ski Centre in the southern Cairngorms has been plagued by storms since November and is currently experiencing ten metres of snow, compared to the 1.5 metres found in most of Sochi, the Russian city which is hosting the Games……
He said: “We’ve got more snow in places than we’ve seen in 20 years. We’re having to dig down to where the ski lifts are……
http://news.stv.tv/highlands-islands/262966-glenshee-and-nevis-range-have-more-snow-than-sochi-slopes/

Chris Wright
February 8, 2014 3:39 am

Much more of this global warming and we’re going to freeze to death….
Chris

ren
February 8, 2014 3:43 am
February 8, 2014 3:54 am

Did anyone read Peter Fox editorial in the New York Times on this subject, “No more snow”? I think he may have been hanging out with Philip Seymour Hoff man or at least got into some of his dope. What a moron..

February 8, 2014 4:14 am

Awesome watching the global warming stuff usher in our next ice age….

Vince
February 8, 2014 4:21 am

You’re all being taken for suckers. Bush, the Koch Brothers, and Dick Cheney hired a mad scientist like Mr. Freeze from Batman to create a weather freezing machine. That’s why it seems like Global Warming is not true.

Mike hunt
February 8, 2014 4:26 am

Yet the NY times is running articles about all the snow disappearing and how ski slopes are all going out of business….PS) Al Gore just bought a 20% share of a fracking company. These global warming cult members are seriously mental.

ren
February 8, 2014 4:53 am
herkimer
February 8, 2014 4:58 am

End of snow ?. Not this year .
.http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/index.php

ren
February 8, 2014 4:58 am

Clear increase of temperature in the upper stratosphere.

herkimer
February 8, 2014 5:13 am

JIMBO
You can add this to your list of bad snow prediction reports
THIN ICE: WINTER SPORTS AND CLIMATE CHANGE – Report by the DAVID SUZUKI FOUNDATION. issued in 2010
Predicting that the average cross-country ski season in Quebec will be cut in half in only 10 years and a complete wipe out by 2050
There is no shortage of snow in Canada and the winter temperatures have been below freezing in the entire country ,coast to coast this past week

herkimer
February 8, 2014 5:17 am

Here are the Canadian current temperatures
http://weather.gc.ca/canada_e.html

It doesn't add up...
February 8, 2014 5:27 am

Shouldn’t this lot have some recent data?
http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Observing_the_Earth/Reflecting_on_Earth_s_albedo
Odd that they have nothing beyond 2011 in the public domain. Perhaps they’re hiding it in the deep ocean.

ren
February 8, 2014 5:29 am

Carbomontanus says
@ ren
hwere do you have it from?
That is normally a good signal. It means that the sun is coming back in the spring and Ozone is building back up there.
It’s too early. Polar vortex release.
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/strat-trop/gif_files/time_pres_TEMP_ANOM_ALL_NH_2013.gif

Jimbo
February 8, 2014 5:30 am

herkimer says:
February 8, 2014 at 5:13 am
JIMBO
You can add this to your list of bad snow prediction reports

Thanks for that. The list however focuses on what ‘climate scientists’, scientific organisations such as the IPCC said or published. There are just a couple from non climate scientists who should know better such as a botanist. If we included what activists, NGOs etc. have said then Warmists can easily dismiss it.

Pedro Rutah
February 8, 2014 5:31 am

I don’t trust this. I looks more like places where it has snowed. The snow blip for SE VA and NE NC have been gone for almost a week. More BRAVO SIERRA from the [snip]

Santa Fe Steve
February 8, 2014 6:00 am

The NYT ran a story today that is not even consistent with the IPCC AR5 WG1 Report. They have become a tabloid.

February 8, 2014 6:09 am

We got another “dusting” of global warming last night here in Missouri. By dusting I mean another few inches of global warming. Global warming sucks!

gerry d welder
February 8, 2014 6:20 am

[snip waaayyy waaayyy off topic – mod]

brutis bear
February 8, 2014 6:35 am

To all the global warming camps. This is not global warming as it is not just the earth warming but our whole solar system is warming not just the earth. So how is my tractor melting ice caps on Mars? Or Pluto for that matter. NASA has the information pertaining to solar system is warming not just the earth.
In the time of the Roman empire the earth was even warmer than it is today.
Propaganda to get you global warming parrots to pay carbon taxes.
Fact of the matter you will never have petroleum taken off the market and you will never be able to bring about change because it would destroy the continuity of the governments and mega corporations wealth.
Try to build anything off grid or live off grid and your local code enforcers will be there to fine you or CPS will take your children.
We shall.always be.slaves to the grid and the ruling class. Energy independence is the establishments doom. Slaves all.of you!

probono
February 8, 2014 6:47 am

So Drudge juxtaposes this article with one from the NYT editorial page descrying the decreased skiing opportunities because of global warming. He demands we do something to reduce our CO2 emmisions. Has anyone ever explained to that genius how much energy it takes to fly thousands of people to Denver, drive them, plus all the locals, an extra 3/4 mile higher, and them lift them up an additional 2500 feet into the sky? Not to mention all the food, water, snow making, etc. Geez, every sidewalk was heated where we stayed last time.
These guys a certifiable.

Rex
February 8, 2014 7:00 am

GLOBAL (ALL over the world) WARMING makes the climate (THE WEATHER in an area) get colder!
Everyone knows WARMING temperatures make it get colder!
WHY? Because Obama said so!
“The science is settled”
What HASN’T Obama lied about?

Leo Glunk
February 8, 2014 7:00 am

Wasn’t their A documentary about this were Dennis Quad rescues everyone after all the Ice causes Guam to sink?

Rex
February 8, 2014 7:12 am

Have democrat stupes and fools ever bothered to look up the word GLOBAL or CLIMATE in the dictionary?
Climate – THE WEATHER prevailing in an area…..
Judging from all of the ridiculous lies Democrats are telling, the answer is a resounding NO!
GLOBAL Warming means it is getting warmer ALL OVER THE GLOBE…..since CO2 levels have risen past 400 ppm, please explain WHY the polar icecaps BOTH grew in 2013?
DEMOCRATS are LIARS!

probono
February 8, 2014 7:13 am

But the authors passionate pleas have moved my globally warmed heart. I am going to form a new foundation. Jet Skiers and wake boarders against Global Warming.

Rex
February 8, 2014 7:23 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html
Manmade GLOBAL WARMING LIARS said snowfalls would soon disappear, BACK IN 2000!
IF Democrats and Socialists could not lie, they would be silent!

Rex
February 8, 2014 7:26 am

The ObowelMovement just said that the internal combustion engine caused global warming on Mars and Saturn!
“settled science” say the stupid
Will RAISING TAXES by TRILLIONS on WORKING PEOPLE help end global warming on other planets?
Democrat cowards have no answers, only new lies…..

February 8, 2014 7:58 am

That’s what I love New York Times so much. They are always on top of things. Have you people read the article “The End of Snow?” published by PORTER FOX on FEB. 7, 2014?
Jesus, these people know how to write. Specially fantasy.
Have a good day!

Jim
February 8, 2014 8:03 am

That darned carbon dioxide has reversed its effect again! What to do….Need the whole Hockey team, not just a stick.

trev
February 8, 2014 8:04 am

Come on over to san diego. No ice here

Pamela Gray
February 8, 2014 8:10 am

The local paper reports that the USDA idiot says our extreme storms dumping all that snow in the mountains is a result of climate extremes caused by current levels of CO2. How does he think we got snow pack up the arse decades ago when CO2 was lower? What village decided to become all idiots and send the whole town to Washington DC????? ARE WE LOSING OUR MINDS?????
We need a national constitutional level amendment to add “none of the above” to our voting choices. That way we can have a revolution without firing a single shot. Right now I think the best thing that could happen in the next election is to elect nobody and just shutter the place up.

Gunga Din
February 8, 2014 8:13 am

And here I thought all the snow landed in my driveway….

Jim
February 8, 2014 8:16 am

Global Warming is a religion, Mr. Gore is the chief priest, and the collages are working on creating missionaries, and the government is forcing it’s religion on us.
Think I’m kidding.
When was the last time the weatherperson could tell you what the weather was going to be like a week from now and be a 100% right?
We just take them on faith … Right

February 8, 2014 8:24 am

Blast you lying LIBS! We were promised an end to winters by now. I’ve been driving nothing but SUV’s or LARGE pickup trucks since the mid nineties. All in an attempt to end these gawd awful winters. We were deceived! I spent thousands of extra dollars in gasoline and home heating bills. I was lead to believe it would be for the greater good! I lit tire fires, sprayed aerosol cans, wasted water, and refused to car pool because you treacherous “global warming” preachers assured us it would work! Now I see it was all for nothing. Despite our best efforts, winters are getting worse, summers are staying the same, and spring and fall are still just beautiful. Please cancel my subscription to “The sky is falling monthly”.

Pamela Gray
February 8, 2014 8:39 am

Janice I fail to understand your continued use of stereotyped discourse of the female gender. It is anecdotal nonsense that continues unfounded notions undergirding gender-based discriminatory thought and action. I wish you would stop and think before you add these not cute vignettes of yours. You are better than what you write sometimes.

February 8, 2014 8:42 am

I brought attention to the significance of jet stream shifts in 2008:
“If jet streams, on average, are further south then the high pressure systems to the north of them predominate and the globe is cooling. If, on average, they are further north then high pressure to the south of them predominates and the globe is warming.”
http://www.newclimatemodel.com/weather-is-the-key-after-all/

Jim
February 8, 2014 8:56 am

Here in Northern Illinois Global Warming occurs only part of the year…about every May through early October it seems to be warmer than say November through April. I’m no scientist but this seems to be a reoccurring event.

Pamela Gray
February 8, 2014 9:14 am

Stephen, the underlying atmospheric parameters of the Arctic Oscillation has been known for quite some time (including the weather pattern shifts and jet stream meandering) and is part of every scientific research climate site I am aware of. However, your mechanism for the cause of a shifting jet stream is wholly unsubstantiated. That you continue to link to it as if is was demonstrates a willingness to spout unsubstantiated theories CO2 proponents possess. So do your readers a favor and put in parenthesis prior to your link that your theory is unsubstantiated.

Jimbo
February 8, 2014 9:16 am

Check out this image of the top of a ski lift in Scotland. Not long ago it was getting too hot for the Scottish snow industry.

BBC – 8 February 2014
Skiers, climbers and walkers have been warned to be aware of a danger created by huge amounts of snow and high winds in Scotland’s mountains.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-26088292

One by one their canaries are dropping like flies.

February 8, 2014 9:28 am

Pamela,
I will continue to link to my hypothesis until it is discredited.
The essential difference to all other hypotheses is that a quiet sun warms the stratosphere at upper levels and towards the poles rather than cooling it as per established climatology.
One must have that effect in order to cause more meridional jets at a time of a quiet sun as in the LIA and the mid 20th century cooling period and now.
A warmer stratosphere pushes the height of the tropopause downward.
To get the jets to dive equatorward requires a lowering of tropopause height towards the poles relative to the tropopause height at the equator.
Can you discredit that assertion ?

echo sierra
February 8, 2014 9:37 am

Maybe someone got the sign wrong in all those models and we’re actually heading for the next Ice Age.

echo sierra
February 8, 2014 9:40 am

Like I’ve always told most weather guessers throughout the years, “try looking out the window once and awhile.”

Russ R.
February 8, 2014 9:48 am

The reason it is sooo cold is simple: A lack of climate hubs!
If only we had thought of this sooner, we would all be enjoying perfectly “average” temperatures.
What a wise usage of the public’s hard-earned tax dollars. Turn down the heater, and save money, so we can afford “climate hubs”!!
/sarc
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/05/obama-next-executive-action-to-address-climate-change/

February 8, 2014 10:03 am

Everyone now in your best Bill Murray/ Ghostbusters voice ‘Gloooobaaal Waaaarmmming, AGGGH!

VERNON M. bonagofski
February 8, 2014 10:21 am

10″ of snow = 1″ of rain.

Janice Moore
February 8, 2014 10:23 am

Sue says: (2/7/14 at 11:36 pm) “It’s my birthday” — HAPPY BIRTHDAY, SUE! Have fun building snow people and sledding and stuff….. while poor, ol’, Gunga Din shovels and shovels and shovels out his driveway. #(;))
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@ Rex — Gooo, Rex! #(:))
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Major Beatdown (8:24am) — LOVE it. Fun humor!
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Dear Pamela,
I’m glad that in your neck of the woods women don’t talk like that (my example of a nagging wife at 12:02am v. a v. Eric Simpson’s 10:43pm video comment) anymore. I value your opinion of me, so I want to make it clear that I don’t think that all women talk that way to their husbands. Further, many lazy slobs-of-husbands certainly merit such a harangue. Around here, though, there are still a LOT (no, not all) of bossy women who talk that way without cause to considerate, meek, men who just put up with it. And, to show that I’m “fair and balanced,” (heh) I’ll add that there are also still, unfortunately, many Archie Bunkers still verbally abusing the Ediths of the world, too.
The news “reporter” in the video would be obnoxious to me whether he or she is a man or a woman. Thank you for pointing out a flaw in my metaphor for Lord Wellington of Colorado: he may have become inured to such a voice by a man in his life and I completely forgot about that possibility.
Thanks for keeping me on my thinking and writing toes, Pamela. I get lazy… . You are a gifted teacher — your students are blessed.
Your friend,
Janice
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My Dear Lord Wellington,
How do you do it? In one sweet phrase, my fair lady Janice, you sent Springtime into my winter-weary heart…… and I sigh. So good to hear from you again. Please greet the honorable (and blessed) Lady Wellington for me.
Yours with a wistful smile,
Janice

February 8, 2014 10:35 am

Global warming (aka climate change) is the religion of the stupid.
http://www.zazzle.com/FirstPrinciples?rf=238518351914519699

February 8, 2014 10:49 am

Would somebody contact the folks at the NCDC and ask them to adjust their temperature data for the year up at least another few degrees, because reality is simply TOO COLD!

KN
February 8, 2014 10:58 am

Here is “Hot” Springs, Arkansas we have 4″ on the ground, temperatures at night in the teens and 20’s for the past week and projected for another week. My natural gas usage for heating for this past November was double the previous 5 Novembers average. December’s usage was up 70%. I will get January’s usage in this week. It will not be pretty.

Gunga Din
February 8, 2014 11:11 am

Just how soon did they say that Global Warming was going to ruin the skiing industry?

Carbomontanus
Reply to  Gunga Din
February 8, 2014 11:55 am

Ladies and Gentlemen
I looked up quite closely
You can go skiing from Dallas in Texas to uphill Trieste in Italia and allmost to Basel
Here in the Oslofjord we have swinging around Zero.
Both Trondheim and Tromsø have it very warm
Moskva has it warm but Jekaterineburg behind Ural is deep blue frost.
But pleace rather think in terms of water. Will China and will California have enough water?

February 8, 2014 11:16 am

I live in Southern Vermont and(believe me)it is WARM HERE!It got up to 3-degrees fahrenheit last night!!!

Just Don't Recall
February 8, 2014 11:35 am

[snip -pointless political rant, off topic -mod]

Janice Moore
February 8, 2014 11:44 am

Hi, Gunga Din!
How’s the shovelin’ going? Hope you are now enjoying some hot chocolate in a warm house.
How soon, you ask? Well, heh, heh, one thing’s for sure, it will never be the current year… . So, we’re okay for this winter! lol
Take care,
Janice
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Fantasy ALWAYS involves the distant in: 1) time; or 2) location (bottom of oceans… the North Pole…. )
Yo! All you snowboarders? “PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT {FANTASY SCIENCE} MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!” — for … “Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow… .” (MacBeth)
#(:))
Verse for the Day:
“As long as the earth endures,
seedtime and harvest,
cold and heat,
summer and winter,
day and night
will never cease.”

Genesis 8:22.

February 8, 2014 11:49 am

isn’t that thing realy affecting humans?

clipe
February 8, 2014 11:58 am

Joe says:
February 7, 2014 at 6:55 pm
The far north of North America is abnormally warm now; basically we have their weather now, they have ours
Just got off the phone with my brother in Dawson City, Yukon.
FPCN58 CWVR 081900
Extended forecasts from Monday 10 February to Friday 14 February for
yukon and northern british columbia issued by Environment Canada at
11.00 am pst Saturday 8 February 2014.
The next scheduled forecast will be issued at 4.00 pm.
Whitehorse.
Monday..Sunny. Low minus 27. High minus 19.
Tuesday..Sunny. Low minus 27. High minus 21.
Wednesday..Sunny. Low minus 28. High minus 21.
Thursday..A mix of sun and cloud with 30 percent chance of flurries.
Low minus 37. High minus 25.
Friday..A mix of sun and cloud. Low minus 33. High minus 21.
Normals for the period..Low minus 19. High minus 10.
Teslin.
Monday..Sunny. Low minus 30. High minus 19.
Tuesday..Cloudy with 60 percent chance of flurries. Low minus 27.
High minus 19.
Wednesday..Sunny. Low minus 30. High minus 20.
Thursday..A mix of sun and cloud with 40 percent chance of flurries.
Low minus 31. High minus 22.
Friday..Cloudy with 60 percent chance of flurries. Low minus 29. High
minus 19.
Normals for the period..Low minus 20. High minus 10.
Atlin.
Monday..Sunny. Low minus 26. High minus 19.
Tuesday..A mix of sun and cloud with 60 percent chance of flurries.
Low minus 26. High minus 18.
Wednesday..Sunny. Low minus 30. High minus 19.
Thursday..Cloudy with 60 percent chance of flurries. Low minus 29.
High minus 20.
Friday..Cloudy with 60 percent chance of flurries. Low minus 27. High
minus 17.
Normals for the period..Low minus 17. High minus 8.
Haines Junction.
Monday..Sunny. Low minus 31. High minus 19.
Tuesday..Sunny. Low minus 30. High minus 20.
Wednesday..Sunny. Low minus 32. High minus 23.
Thursday..Sunny. Low minus 34. High minus 23.
Friday..A mix of sun and cloud. Low minus 30. High minus 20.
Normals for the period..Low minus 20. High minus 9.
Kluane Lake.
Monday..Sunny. Low minus 31. High minus 23.
Tuesday..Sunny. Low minus 37. High minus 22.
Wednesday..Sunny. Low minus 36. High minus 22.
Thursday..Sunny. Low minus 34. High minus 24.
Friday..Sunny. Low minus 32. High minus 21.
Normals for the period..Low minus 26. High minus 11.
Pelly – Carmacks
Beaver Creek.
Monday..Sunny. Low minus 31. High minus 22.
Tuesday..Sunny. Low minus 36. High minus 25.
Wednesday..Sunny. Low minus 38. High minus 27.
Thursday..Sunny. Low minus 34. High minus 25.
Friday..Sunny. Low minus 32. High minus 22.
Normals for the period..Low minus 28. High minus 14.
Faro – Ross River.
Monday..Sunny. Low minus 34. High minus 21.
Tuesday..Sunny. Low minus 34. High minus 25.
Wednesday..Sunny. Low minus 36. High minus 23.
Thursday..A mix of sun and cloud. Low minus 37. High minus 27.
Friday..A mix of sun and cloud with 30 percent chance of flurries.
Low minus 33. High minus 23.
Normals for the period..Low minus 23. High minus 13.
Mayo.
Monday..Sunny. Low minus 38. High minus 27.
Tuesday..Sunny. Low minus 38. High minus 30.
Wednesday..Sunny. Low minus 40. High minus 31.
Thursday..Sunny. Low minus 38. High minus 29.
Friday..Sunny. Low minus 35. High minus 26.
Normals for the period..Low minus 26. High minus 14.
Dawson.
Monday..Sunny. Low minus 40. High minus 29.
Tuesday..Sunny. Low minus 41. High minus 32.
Wednesday..Sunny. Low minus 42. High minus 31.
Thursday..Sunny. Low minus 36. High minus 28.
Friday..A mix of sun and cloud. Low minus 34. High minus 25.
Normals for the period..Low minus 30. High minus 19.
Dempster.
Monday..Sunny. Low minus 28. High minus 26.
Tuesday..Sunny. Low minus 26. High minus 23.
Wednesday..Sunny. Low minus 30. High minus 26.
Thursday..Sunny. Low minus 34. High minus 29.
Friday..Sunny. Low minus 34. High minus 28.
Normals for the period..Low minus 30. High minus 21.
Old Crow.
Monday..Sunny. Low minus 38. High minus 29.
Tuesday..Sunny. Low minus 32. High minus 27.
Wednesday..Sunny. Low minus 33. High minus 28.
Thursday..Sunny. Low minus 32. High minus 28.
Friday..Sunny. Low minus 32. High minus 28.
Normals for the period..Low minus 30. High minus 21.
Dease Lake.
Monday..A mix of sun and cloud with 40 percent chance of flurries.
Low minus 33. High minus 20.
Tuesday..Cloudy with 60 percent chance of flurries. Low minus 25.
High minus 18.
Wednesday..Sunny. Low minus 27. High minus 18.
Thursday..Cloudy with 60 percent chance of flurries. Low minus 23.
High minus 15.
Friday..Cloudy with 60 percent chance of flurries. Low minus 21. High
minus 13.
Normals for the period..Low minus 19. High minus 8.
Cassiar Mountains.
Monday..A mix of sun and cloud. Low minus 32. High minus 24.
Tuesday..Cloudy with 60 percent chance of flurries. Low minus 28.
High minus 22.
Wednesday..A mix of sun and cloud with 30 percent chance of flurries.
Low minus 34. High minus 21.
Thursday..Cloudy with 60 percent chance of flurries. Low minus 26.
High minus 19.
Friday..Cloudy with 60 percent chance of flurries. Low minus 24. High
minus 16.
Normals for the period..Low minus 21. High minus 10.
Watson Lake.
Monday..Sunny. Low minus 28. High minus 21.
Tuesday..Flurries. Low minus 29. High minus 21.
Wednesday..A mix of sun and cloud with 40 percent chance of flurries.
Low minus 30. High minus 22.
Thursday..A mix of sun and cloud with 40 percent chance of flurries.
Low minus 29. High minus 22.
Friday..Cloudy with 40 percent chance of flurries. Low minus 27. High
minus 19.
Normals for the period..Low minus 25. High minus 12.
Muncho Lake Park – Stone Mountain Park.
Monday..A mix of sun and cloud with 30 percent chance of flurries.
Low minus 31. High minus 22.
Tuesday..Cloudy with 60 percent chance of flurries. Low minus 28.
High minus 21.
Wednesday..A mix of sun and cloud with 30 percent chance of flurries.
Low minus 28. High minus 19.
Thursday..Cloudy with 60 percent chance of flurries. Low minus 27.
High minus 20.
Friday..Cloudy with 60 percent chance of flurries. Low minus 24. High
minus 18.
Normals for the period..Low minus 19. High minus 7.
Fort Nelson.
Monday..Sunny. Low minus 28. High minus 22.
Tuesday..A mix of sun and cloud with 30 percent chance of flurries.
Low minus 28. High minus 22.
Wednesday..Sunny. Low minus 29. High minus 18.
Thursday..Sunny. Low minus 30. High minus 23.
Friday..A mix of sun and cloud. Low minus 27. High minus 21.
Normals for the period..Low minus 23. High minus 12.
End

Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha
February 8, 2014 12:18 pm

This cold is an ecological killer. Need to wait till Spring to see the disaster

labillyboy
February 8, 2014 12:25 pm

Funny how even the weather has been politicized by the far left socialist Demokrat party in the United States. The idea that Anthropogenic global warming is even possible stretches the facts.
Only 12,000 years ago the entire northern hemisphere was under hundreds of feet of ice. Obviously (thankfully) there has been some warming up since then or we’d all be squeezed in living along the equator. None to very little of this temperature change has taken place while human beings were producing gases. In fact, the biggest effect on global temperature is the Sun, not gases.
Algore and his ilk have found that pouring tax money into the pockets of “scientists” to get them to create data that supports his carbon credit scheme to be quite profitable. Demokrat Socialists have also found the investment in the “scientists” to be beneficial to getting votes from those who blindly follow them.
Will human production of CO2 cause some warming of the planet? Well not in the last 15 years or so… will the Earth go into another ice age at some point? YES… boy will the skiers be happy then.

Janice Moore
February 8, 2014 12:32 pm

“… rather think in terms of water. Will China and will California have enough water… .” (Carb the Sweed o’ Montanus)
Pardon my tone, Carb, but ever since you dissed my post of “The Hut Sut Song” (along with a Swedish folk song) replying to your post about Swedish folk music……., well, since then, I’ve had a bit of a frown on my face whenever I see your name (that and that fact that I usually can’t figure out what you are saying, heh).
ANYWAY,
The only intelligent answer to your question is: I don’t know.
The question is moot as to causation (though not to casuistry, lol): There is nothing humans can do to significantly change the amount of rainfall ANYWHERE on earth.
Now, preparing for drought, THAT is something we can do. Well, er, we could potentially do… . Thanks to the Envirostalinists, we’re flat broke!
So…. just go snowboarding, eat some pizza, and sing the “Hut Sut Song.” Might as well be happy; there’s nothing you can do about the weather. Nope. Fretting about it is not doing something. So you might as well not.
Worrying is POINTLESS.
Skoal!

Carbomontanus
Reply to  Janice Moore
February 8, 2014 2:34 pm

@janike moor
You are wrong again. I know better. 😉
We had so much drought that we found it necessary to dig up and restore an old water hole. and install new devices.
When it came on, it started to rain, and It has rained steadily ever since,… so that is the way!
Another method is to repair or restore the roof.
Take off the tiles, it may have been dry for weeks,….the rain will be pouring down in just a few hours. It never fails,..
But there were 2 brothers out there in Onsøy where my name comes from, (I am McKolberg from Odins-ey you see.)
One of them was so strange that he could not live among people, so he lived out in a cave at the sea and one could see him rowing in his boat with a line hanging after. What he caught was put on the seat , he sat on it and rowed on……. until it was “tender” so he could eat.
And thus the Lord cdid care for him for many years.
The other brother was more social. One year they had a quite severe draught so the peasants decided to go to church together and rather pray for rain.
That brother however stepped up with a parachute. All laughed at him an said How can it rain when it has not rained for several weeks?
But the brother meant that if they were going to pray for rain he should also bring with him a parachute.
They went in and prayed. And as they came out the rain was pouring down.
The brother then just opened his parachute and was the only one who came dry home.
But when I think of it, maybe he was not so stupid after all. Because Prof. A Næss of Logics has told that the statement “…It rains or it rains not… ” is a true statement, on which one can be absolutely sure.
So if it had not rained, he could have criticized the church. An if it had rained he could score very high with that parachute. He was maybe well conscidered and prepared for all cases.
Doing something with the weather,… the rule says that there is no bad weather only bad dressing. (Ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær. Dårlig rather means foolish Cfr German Tor = fool.)
That may be the best rule. indeed you can do something with the weather. You can prepare for it. For instance by not doing foolish things that cannot take the weather.
Forecast and a bit respect for Nature is quite important.
Now for instance, our cellar pump is running. I also have a pump in reserve.
Those pumps have ran more and more along with the raising of the Mahuna Loa curve.
And the community has renovated the water and sewage system.
One must resign on a bit “luxury” and rather invest in things that enables us to live with and tacle the enviroment and the foreseable future. Rajendra Pachauri has said that “no one will have to resign on his living standard. We must only learn to chose other values!”
I agree quite thorroughly. Eaclty that is what has given me a very high living standard.
Who are to be blamed if society is not arranged that way? (to secure your living standard)
Well that is a political problem is n`t it?
I find, people do not agree on reality. They obviously live in different realities. But there is one and only one universe or reality. That is my opinion but that is not agreed on.
“Reason is a lonely thing, you are allways alone with it…” F.Stabel.
Not all predictions of IPCC come true and especially not in detail. But I am prepared for that, and try rather and se the essence and the core of what they deliver, which is healthy, and will be true in any case, and then prepare also for the eventualities. To be able to live with uncertainties is quite important.
Human error will be the worst threat in any case and can be predicted rather for sure.
Again we have a very good rule ERRARE HVMANVM EST.
Worrying is pointless?
There I have a song:
2.Was hilfet uns die schweren Sorgen
Was hilfet unser Weh und Ach?
Was hilft es dass wir jeden Mogen
Beseufzenn unser Ungemach?
Es machet unser Kreuz und Leid
Nur grøsser bei der Traurigkeit
SANN!
That is Georg Neumark 1642 “Wer nur den lieben Gott lasst walten..”
Comes on Youtube. The Mozart Choir in Berlin is best on it.

Janice Moore
February 8, 2014 12:35 pm

“Swede” — “and the fact”

Tim Allen
February 8, 2014 12:39 pm

Regarding the california drought, I live about 60 miles north of San Francisco. I have been keeping track of our rainfall via a rain gauge in our yard. Now, admittedly, I am no expert, and my dime store rain gauge can’t compete with instruments the sainted “experts” use, but in the last week we have had 15.6 inches of rain, and it is still pouring. Chains are required on the mountain passes. This cannot be good news for the water nazis, who were anticipating further power grabs in response to the “worst drought in human history”.
I must disagree that this weather event will not have much impact, as I’ve read here. Also, another poster mentions that San Francisco has recorded .27″ in the last week. Thanks simply cannot be the case, and if the poster is citing a source, that source is wildly inaccurate.
Finally, due to EPA edict, and a federal judge’s wrongheaded command, we are (and have been, throughout this drought) allowing EIGHT MILLION GALLONS of water to flow from the Sacramento River to the sea, bypassing reservoirs so that the delta smelt, a fish, yes a simple, fairly unremarkable fish is not adversely affected by efforts to store water. I don’t know if our other major rivers (Klamath, Scott, etc) are beneficiaries of this insane ruling, but I suspect they are.

Pamela Gray
February 8, 2014 12:48 pm

Stephen, once again I have to remind you it is your duty to disprove your own idea. But I understand you do not have the proper facilities and backing to do such research. Okay, then I propose this: You must do the proper literature search for all possible causes of jet stream shift and then present your problem of why those causes cannot be the driver. You must then go on to present why your proposed driver can fill that role and the necessary research proposal to study it. I take it you do not have a graduate level course under your belt regarding research proposals. I would suggest you obtain a graduate level book on the process and rework your website into an acceptable and reasonable research proposal format. You neither need facilities or backing to do this kind of serious work.

Tim Allen
February 8, 2014 12:52 pm

To correct or amplify, “thanks simply cannot be the case” should read “that”. Also, the eight million gallon remark should have been added to. That is eight million gallons PER HOUR, round the clock.

Dave
February 8, 2014 12:56 pm

It’s about 70 and sunny here in the Hill Country. Ha, ha, ha.

February 8, 2014 12:59 pm

Pamela.
All I need is observations over time. The real world will do the proving or disproving.
So far it is going well.
From 2004 to 2007 ozone amounts above 45km increased despite the quiet sun.
The more meridional jets at a time of quiet sun have been accompanied by increased global cloudiness according to the Earthshine project and El Nino events have become less dominant.
My hypothesis is based on actual observations and I need do nothing more than point to ongoing observational findings.
If any events occur that disprove my hypothesis then I will be interested to hear about them.
I take it that you are not aware of any such ?

Pamela Gray
February 8, 2014 1:08 pm

Again, Stephen, your lack of knowledge regarding proper research into all possible causes is wanting. You must leave no stone unturned in your search for all causes. Observation will not prove anything. Observation has to do with the phenomenon being observed, such as a meandering jet stream, not the cause. The cause is an active process with little to do with observation.

Janice Moore
February 8, 2014 1:23 pm

Mr. Wilde,
Do you realize how very LONG a time you would need to make observations before you could assert with high confidence that the mere correlation you are observing was a cause?
Q. Why do you not follow Ms. Gray’s WELL-informed (I’ve been reading her comments for about 9 months and I can see she is intelligent and knows her stuff) advice?
Sincerely,
Janice

February 8, 2014 1:26 pm

What’s all the fuss about ? I live about 15 miles south of Detroit , it’s 77 and sunny . Just finished working in my garden , now headed for the golf course . No…. Wait .. Sorry … My head hurts !

ren
February 8, 2014 1:27 pm

Pamela, Sun is working in the stratosphere from the top. Height of 45 km.
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/strat_a_f/gif_files/gfs_t01_nh_f00.gif

John Tillman
February 8, 2014 1:35 pm

Pamela Gray says:
February 7, 2014 at 6:06 pm
The wheat farmers here at the base of the Blue Mountains in Oregon have this to say to “climate change” scientists: Change it back! The winter wheat roots indicate that Hell has officially frozen over!
——————————
They’re lucky this year to have had snow on the ground when the worst freezing WX hit. Winter kill is less with a blanket of snow. The downside is that, as looks likely next week, a Chinook hits with rain, melting the snow & causing gulleys in the fields from the runoff. Depends upon how frozen the ground was before the snow. I’m happy not to have to worry about the WX any more. Always more things to go wrong with it than right.

Bill
February 8, 2014 1:50 pm

I hope WUWT is checking with the fraud algore to get a comment on how this could possibly be happening. Maybe if the fraud is not available, the disingenuous scientists of the UK could comment.

Reply to  Bill
February 8, 2014 3:02 pm

I seriously doubt Al Gore would be able to stomach reading any thread on WUWT, let alone replying. If he did it might be something like this…
1. Global warming is a fact. Period.
2. Man-made CO2 is the cause. Period.
3. It is much worse than we thought. Period.
4. Drastic measures are called for. Period.
5. Even if we are wrong, it is the right thing to do. Period.
6. Contrary opinions will not be tolerated. Period.

Halo
February 8, 2014 1:58 pm

Meanwhile in the central Finland: Barely just four inches of snow. Typically we have three to four times that much in February. More strangely we got cold weather from Siberia before any snow in January, though. And now we’re again at above zero temps and melting has began. Maybe another Siberia without snow cover in the coming weeks? Weird weird winter..

February 8, 2014 2:14 pm

The NYT knows “The End of Snow” is not upon us nor is it on any imaginable horizon. They also know their acolytes (read: idiots who believe everything MSM and the MSNBC/NYT utter) do not investigate to discern any veracity in said statements, so MSM and the Times can make whatever asinine pronouncement they wish. Their followers do what followers do and follow along the party line, repeating the talking points ad nauseum.

KN
February 8, 2014 2:54 pm
Diggio
February 8, 2014 3:34 pm

Global warming and just the United States is causing problems for the whole world. We need to pay for the sun the moon and the stars. Everything happening in the universe is caused by the United States because we use 100% of all the earths resources. George W. Bush did all of this. Right.

February 8, 2014 3:39 pm

Has anyone thought that this is how it suppose to be,rite now in this time frame,maybe the world is getting ready for a really big dry spell.

LWJR
February 8, 2014 4:05 pm

Al “jazeera” Gore ice sculpture now covered up in back yard.

OhGetReal
February 8, 2014 4:23 pm

This is the beginning of the cooling cycle…The next Ice Age has begun……Good luck…Hope to see you in the next warming, about 11,000 yrs from now.

Janice Moore
February 8, 2014 4:48 pm

Dear Mr. or Ms. McKolberg o’ Odinsey (a.k.a. Carbomontanus),
Thank you for your intriguing reply. Lol, if I want it to rain, I just wash and wax the car.
#(:))
We are waaaay off topic, now, so I’ll close by wishing you well and with this friendly reminder: NONE of the IPCC’s projections have (nor likely will ever) come true. (See Bob Tisdale’s excellent e book: Climate Models Fail)
Happy singing,
Janice

Linda Goodman
February 8, 2014 4:53 pm

Please forgive my ignorance, but could the triple meltdowns in Japan be affecting the weather via the radioactive isotopes streaming into the atmosphere for the last 3 years?

Bob
February 8, 2014 4:53 pm

But, but, but the New York Times has told us we are seeing the end of snow!

Barbara Skolaut
February 8, 2014 4:54 pm

We’re freezing our asses off here in Virginia. These clowns promised me gerbil worming. WHERE THE HELL’S MY GERBIL WORMING?</B.

Janice Moore
February 8, 2014 4:57 pm

Carbomontanus, after all the misunderstanding of the past week, you have shared a most beautiful thing which I shall post here:

“If thou but suffer God to guide thee and hope in Him… .”
I often sing this soli at the piano. It is comforting.
Thank you, my zany Swedish friend, you’ve turned out to be okay (I think!).
#(:))

RACookPE1978
Editor
February 8, 2014 5:01 pm

Linda Goodman says:
February 8, 2014 at 4:53 pm
Please forgive my ignorance, but could the triple meltdowns in Japan be affecting the weather via the radioactive isotopes streaming into the atmosphere for the last 3 years?

No, that is not possible.

Pamela Gray
February 8, 2014 5:01 pm

John, unfortunately, we had an extensive double-event freezing temperature stationary inversion following an extensive no-precip ultra-dry cold month before the snow came. The little darlings were frozen solid below the soil before the snow came. In fact the snow event has warmed things up!

Pamela Gray
February 8, 2014 5:03 pm

ren, you know better than to link to a pictorial depiction of a dipole and then say the cause of such an event is the Sun.

Jeff
February 8, 2014 5:29 pm

Too bad Obamacare didn’t get such a clear indication that the business model was wrong 🙂 Then even if you were a moron, or possibly even a Democratic pol, you might have a chance to redeem yourself before you looked so stupid.

Gail Combs
February 8, 2014 6:30 pm

oracle2world says:
February 7, 2014 at 8:01 pm
Snow tires? WTF? How about chains too?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I bought chains for all four tires of my PkUp and I live in mid NC…. Maybe that is why we are getting our second snow [storm] of the year mid week. (we normally see snow once every five years or so.)

Gail Combs
February 8, 2014 6:46 pm

Leon Brozyna says: @ February 8, 2014 at 1:15 am
Paraphrasing a sign seen outside a local church last month … Whoever’s been praying for snow — please stop … we have enough.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
That would have been me.
At Christmas I wished all the Warmists a cold snowy new year. (Sorry guys)

February 8, 2014 6:47 pm

I think the science is settled: global cooling is here.

Werner Brozek
February 8, 2014 7:09 pm

Janice Moore says:
February 8, 2014 at 4:57 pm
Thank you for that! I enjoyed several songs here and I will listen to more in the future! Understanding German helps.

Gail Combs
February 8, 2014 7:16 pm

Carbomontanus says: @ February 8, 2014 at 11:55 am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The little Ice Age was 1350 to 1850 or there abouts. Colder can mean drier or at least a shift in the rainfall patterns.
Research into the mystery of the disappearance of the Anasazi shows a “Great drought” in the late 13th century may have caused an entire population to abandon the settlements. “… Some climatological evidence, based on tree-ring and pollen studies, suggests that Anasazi farmers may have been kept from moving to higher, moister grounds by a worldwide cooling trend called the Little Age Ice. According to this theory, the Anasazi were squeezed from two directions: lower elevations were too dry for farming, higher ones too cold….”
A warmer world is a wetter world.

Subscription Box Girl
February 8, 2014 7:19 pm

I am so over the snow. Bring on the spring

Gail Combs
February 8, 2014 7:31 pm

Linda Goodman says: @ February 8, 2014 at 4:53 pm
Please forgive my ignorance, but could the triple meltdowns in Japan be affecting the weather via the radioactive isotopes…
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
No.
If you want the straight story do not listen to the hysterical News Media that wants to sell papers not report the news accurately.
This is my source: World Nuclear Association Fukushima: Radiation Exposure (updated June 2013)

Gail Combs
February 8, 2014 7:37 pm

Pamela Gray says: @ February 8, 2014 at 5:03 pm
ren, you know better than to link to a pictorial depiction of a dipole and then say the cause of such an event is the Sun.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Is this better Pam?
http://www.ccpo.odu.edu/~lizsmith/SEES/ozone/class/Chap_6/6_3.htm
This one has the usual political correct crap thrown in but there is some decent information among the dross.
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2000/ast02oct_1/
(I leave it at two links so my comment doesn’t get booted into a snow drift.)

Janice Moore
February 8, 2014 7:40 pm

Well, Herr Brozek, what a pleasant surprise to hear that ANY-one enjoyed that (beside myself and Carbo).
Bitte, und Danke Shön for telling me!
Here is a little something compliments of me and Ludwig von Beethoven:
(The second one is the Deutsche one)
(link is to Virtual Advent Calendar Door #12 on Josh 2014 calendar thread)
“Ode to Joy” — 1) Beaker 2) Straight
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/11/30/the-josh-wuwt-2014-climate-skeptics-calendar-is-now-available/#comment-1498408
#(:))
Yes, indeed, it must be wonderful to understand German. I know only a handful of words.
Güten Abend, Herr Brozek, und Güte Nacht.
********************************************************
@ R. A. Cook — a Medal for Outstanding Valor goes to you, Sir, for that precisely accurate answer and even more for ALL THE THINGS YOU COULD HAVE SAID but didn’t. Wow. So much ignorance, so little time… . Your self-restraint was above-and-beyond. Well done!

Janice Moore
February 8, 2014 7:44 pm

And GAIL COMBS just saw your excellent response refuting the nuclear power nonsense above. Good job (as usual)!

Piquerish
February 8, 2014 7:52 pm

Perhaps we may borrow Michael Mann’s irrefutable hockey sticks and then rub them vigorously together while chanting, “Global cooling! Global warming! Climate change!” until the sticks combust at least as hot the Chicken Little fraud that it all is.

Ed Mertin
February 8, 2014 8:37 pm

” Blast you lying LIBS! ” up thread.
They are proud Republicans, but unaware the party was founded by Liberals. (Look it up)
They believe in dark conspiracies, but are oblivious to the fact they are pawns in a game.

February 8, 2014 8:37 pm

Wow, look at all that global warming!

February 8, 2014 8:47 pm

Ed Mertin,
Actually it is you who obviously believes in dark conspiracies.
IANAR, but I know a wacko when I see one. <—[lookin' at YOU, Ed. ☺]

Ed Mertin
February 8, 2014 9:17 pm

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/10/27/weekend-open-thread-3/
Brendan H says:
October 28, 2012 at 3:03 am
Vigilantfish: ‘I haven’t seen Smokey lately…I hope he’s o.k.’
Sadly, Smokey was never really OK, but that was part of his charm.
I’d heard he succumbed to heat exhaustion on one of his philanthropic quests to the third world.

Janice Moore
February 8, 2014 9:24 pm

Well, Ed Mertin, I see that, in spite of it all, he got the medicine through to your village. Too bad it wasn’t in time to prevent brain damage.

Werner Brozek
February 8, 2014 10:14 pm

Janice Moore says:
February 8, 2014 at 7:40 pm
Vielen dank. Das war sehr schön!

February 8, 2014 11:34 pm

Hey guys, laugh all you want, but here in central Florida we have yet to receive snow this year. In fact we haven’t received snow since I was born. Gore was right!

Reply to  W Van Landingham III (@jelloboy)
February 9, 2014 6:19 am

LOL! Yes, Gore was right, you CAN fool the idiots all of the time and make BILLIONS off it!

Adam
February 9, 2014 12:13 am

Those images are not supported by our climate models. There must be something wrong with the images. Please use photoshop to make them less snowy and then try to figure out why there is snow in the images when the models said “kids will never see snow again” [/sarc].

February 9, 2014 1:50 am

My latest cartoon, number 21, is about the cold weather:
http://www.itsnotclimatescience.com/index.html

February 9, 2014 3:38 am

Pamela Gray said:
“Observation will not prove anything. Observation has to do with the phenomenon being observed, such as a meandering jet stream, not the cause. The cause is an active process with little to do with observation.”
Observation of multiple phenomena and the way they interact over time is the best way to narrow down the options regarding causation.
It is well known that a cooler stratosphere raises tropopause height and that a warmer stratosphere lowers it. That is a matter of basic physics and is not mere correlation.
Likewise it is well known that more ozone warms the stratosphere and less ozone cools it. That is a matter of basic physics and not mere correlation.
All one then needs to observe in order to establish a chain of causation involving tropopause height is the actual real world ozone response at different levels in the atmosphere as a result of solar variability.
As I pointed out, the actual real world finding is that from 2004 to 2007 ozone above 45km increased at a time of active sun which is the reverse of expectation.
It isn’t going to take much longer for the bricks to fall into place since the number of papers currently dealing with this very subject is fast increasing as the new data comes in.

February 9, 2014 4:04 am

But the NY Times just published on article this past week on the end of snow. It appears that my lying eyes have deceived me again. Please raise my taxes and take away some of my freedoms.
signed,
A Democrat

February 9, 2014 4:20 am

Sorry, should have said inactive sun, not active sun.

Carbomontanus
Reply to  Stephen Wilde
February 9, 2014 5:38 am

@ Stephen Wilde
Yes thank you. Then In have no more problems with your argument.
Ozone detonates if compressed any higher than 0.12 bar regardless of temperature and gas mixture, and Delta H is allmost as high as for 2H2 + O2.
It eats rubber and cork. NO and SO2 must be kept strictly away. A lot of oxidation that only occurs at higher temperatures are easily carried out with ozone.
What hardens polyunsaturated lipid oil paints very much better. is a clear day outdoor in Mars regardless of temperature.
From this I could deduce what I need to know about ozone.

February 9, 2014 5:03 am

Hi Folks, I haven’t got any fancy Degrees or anything but a little scientific knowledge now it occurs to me that the earth has been around a couple of billion years and during that time a lot of Temperature change has taken place. At one time the Earth was covered in molten Lava and the temp was extremely high in the 2000 degree range and that lasted until the cooling occurred and the animals started appearing and the air had 2 to 3 times as much Oxygen in it and the temperature was about 7 to 10 degrees warmer than it has been in the Past Million years as the fossil record shows the next thing to occur was an Ice age and the Dinosaurs disappeared and the giant mammals appeared. The temps were -30 to -40 degrees cooler than the recent Period would show. Statistics tell me there has been no change in the temperature of the earth in the last 20 years because that sample is far to small to have any real meaning even if you take the entire time man has been able to measure temperature and put it on a graph of Geological time the sample would be statistically insignificant, Humans as a whole in Geophysical time have barely been around a good tick of the Geophysical clock for a non scientist or even a scientist to think that they can say for certainty that something is happening based on the data collected over less than a million years is absolutely absurd.
. Look to the Dollars, Look to who has the most to gain by regulating the lives of the people; do not be fooled by those who claim to be smart they are looking to make money I have no way of making money by what I am saying I just don’t want my money stolen by those who only want to line their own pockets by stealing from me.
Look at what Douglas Adams wrote about Life, Life Statistically does not exist in the universe because it is so unimaginably rare that it’s occurrence is Statistically zero.

Sal
February 9, 2014 5:37 am

It is interesting that with the Great Lakes at record icing and the country covered with snow pack, The NY Times continues to write about the great Global Warming. No wonder their readership and profits are tanking. I guess their views are religion and the religious ones are hard to dissuade.

Fred
February 9, 2014 8:22 am

It is absolutely amazing that almost none of you know the difference between climate and weather. It’s called “GLOBAL” warming not American weather. Take a look and see what is going on in the world, not just outside your window. It is rather obvious as to why America is rated 23rd in the world in science literacy. Try getting your facts from scientists and not politicians.

Elliot
February 9, 2014 8:28 am

I just have to say, the weather news are acquiring an “Action TV” feel this winter.

AlGoreIsFatStupidIdiot
February 9, 2014 9:53 am

You mean its natural solar cycles and not witchcraft?
Wheres ManBearPig to scare everybody into giving him $5?

richardscourtney
February 9, 2014 10:05 am

Fred:
Your post at February 9, 2014 at 8:22 am says in total

It is absolutely amazing that almost none of you know the difference between climate and weather. It’s called “GLOBAL” warming not American weather. Take a look and see what is going on in the world, not just outside your window. It is rather obvious as to why America is rated 23rd in the world in science literacy. Try getting your facts from scientists and not politicians.

I do know “the difference between climate and weather”, and when I look out the window here in the UK I see rain.
Importantly, “GLOBAL” warming stopped at least 17 years ago.
Try getting your facts from scientists and not alarmists.
Richard

February 9, 2014 10:38 am

“Words have meaning and names have power.” Anon
It is distressing to see on a forum devoted to science the improper use of certain words. At least twice in this thread we see a statement like this: “With the current lack of warming we may be going into another ice age.” This presupposes that we are not at present in an ice age. Which is not correct. The earth has been in an ice age for about 2.6 million years. We are lucky enough to be living in an Interglacial Warm Period. We may be slipping into another Glacial Period, or not. It is all part of the same ice age. Why is this important? By directing attention away from the larger climate picture and focusing on a very limited recent time span climate scientist hope to further their “cause”. The ice age is the elephant in the room they desperately want to ignore and conceal. We know what happens when the earth warms up enough to shift from Ice House to Greenhouse conditions. It is not to be feared; it is not a total disaster. In fact, it is normal and to be preferred as more beneficial to life. Summer is a reminder of Greenhouse Earth; winter is a reminder that we are in an ice age.
[“… it is “normal” (or “abnormal”?) and to be accepted …” Mod]

Amatør1
February 9, 2014 10:54 am

Janice Moore says:
February 8, 2014 at 12:32 pm
Carbomontanus is a well know warmist troll over here. I know who he is and I’ve seen him in person. The real life version is even more peculiar.

Gunga Din
February 9, 2014 11:03 am

richardscourtney says:
February 9, 2014 at 10:05 am
Fred:….

==========================================================
😎 I was about to say something similar when I saw Richard’s response.
(Oh, and Fred, he’s a Brit, not an American. But what you said here, “ It is rather obvious as to why America is rated 23rd in the world in science literacy.“, might have something to do with why anybody believed Al Gore to begin with.)

Pamela Gray
February 9, 2014 11:07 am

Gail, your link is right on the money. Stephen should study it.

Pamela Gray
February 9, 2014 11:13 am

Fred, too funny. If you live on either side of the cold invasion, you are quite warm (what loops down, loops up). And yes, it is weather right now, and quite extreme. What you fail to understand is how weather can become weather patterns which can exist in short term as well as longer term spans of time, setting up weather pattern variations which will demonstrate an average trend up, flat, down, or noisy. The longer term weather pattern variation trends are popularly known as climate change. Cha ching!

February 9, 2014 11:18 am

Pamela,
Which portion of Gail’s extensive and broad ranging link should I (and readers) pay attention to ?
I am well aware of the Brewer-Dobson circulation which fits well enough into my hypothesis in that it can slow down or speed up as necessary to exert a negative system response to any internal system forcing element.
Just directing readers to a mass of information without specifying its relevance would seem to me to be a diversionary strategy.

Pamela Gray
February 9, 2014 11:29 am

Stephen, I take the time to study such involved things. You should too. There is no quick learning here. But I will point out one specific area among many. I have referred readers to bottom-up versus top down influence on stratospheric changes (thus tropospheric thus weather pattern changes) before. Rossby waves are a bottom-up invasion into the stratosphere. Something I know you are well aware of. Yet you nearly exclusively deny such bottom-up invasions into the stratosphere which can then form a top-down driver back into the troposphere. You place solar changes at the top of the list of stratospheric drivers of tropospheric changes without refuting this intrinsic source as being the primary driver. Do you not?

February 9, 2014 11:34 am

Pamela Gray said:
“The longer term weather pattern variation trends are popularly known as climate change. Cha ching!”
Quite so.
Solar variations (via wavelength and particle variations rather than TSI) cause changes in weather pattern variation trends (shifting jets and climate zones) which we perceive as climate change ( ker-ching!)
Glad to see you agree with me after all : )
If you believe that our CO2 emissions have a significant effect compared to that of solar and oceanic variability then please do share your evidence.

Pamela Gray
February 9, 2014 11:51 am

I will link this very well done study here. I have already done so on another thread. I find the conclusions very interesting as well as the need for further research into completing our basic understanding of the polar vortex. Yet there are those here who want to jump over that wide span of incomplete knowledge of the thing itself and head for the Sun as the driver. Reminds me of once again, the witch doctor who had a very incomplete understanding of the thing itself yet seemed all to eager to tell us what caused it.
In my opinion we MUST complete our knowledge and understanding of INTRINSIC weather pattern drivers before shoving a finger elsewhere at other drivers. Whether that be us, the Earth, or something outside our highly variable globe. I prefer to examine intrinsic drivers (which have not been extensively studied yet) before I look at other possible drivers and I will continue to encourage others to do the same. And it is my opinion that those who look elsewhere have need of further study in intrinsic drivers.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/joc.1204/pdf

February 9, 2014 11:56 am

Pamela Gray says:
February 9, 2014 at 11:29 am
A sensible comment deserves a sensible response so:
i) I do not deny bottom up invasions of the stratosphere.
ii) I do not deny that bottom up invasions of the stratosphere can affect the solar induced top down effect.
iii) I am on record as asserting that the climate response at any given moment ( via the latitudinal position of the climate zones and jets) is a consequence of the net balance between the top down solar and bottom up oceanic influences.
iv) Thus I say that the top down solar effect on stratosphere temperatures can indeed be modulated by the bottom up effect from the oceans which must include the Rossby wave effects that you have noted.
The thing is that I distinguish between the bottom up Rossby wave effects which give rise to sudden stratospheric warming events and the top down, long term solar effects across a millennium or so.
Those bottom up effects occur all the time but beneath and behind them lies the top down solar effect which influences the frequency and intensity of sudden stratospheric warming events across decades, centuries and millennia.
Indeed I have often referred to those SSW events because they do lead to more meridional / equatorward jets giving cooling middle latitudes.
In exactly the same way it requires a warming of the stratosphere towards the poles to produce the more meridional / equatorward jets and climate zones that we observed during the Little Ice Age.
Do you not see the similarity between the ‘weather’ of short term SSW events and the ‘climate’ of solar induced long term changes in the frequency and intensity of such SSW events ?

Pamela Gray
February 9, 2014 11:58 am

Stephen, I am of the opinion that solar enthusiasts and CO2 enthusiasts have the same degree of knowledge regarding knowledge and understanding of intrinsic drivers of weather pattern variation trends, with CO2 scientists maybe slightly ahead of solar enthusiasts. Neither camp have followed proper refutation of intrinsic drivers of the recent warming trend.

Pamela Gray
February 9, 2014 12:04 pm

An idea for you Stephen, the link I provided above has very good data in it. As does the link I have included elsewhere authored by the master’s candidate. Use that data and see if there is a link with your solar parameters. Don’t eyeball it. Use standard tests of significance. As they have done. Note: you and they are limited by the short data span so your tests of significance must be set at a very high level else you find spurious significance and tout it as evidence.

February 9, 2014 12:11 pm

Pamela.
Both solar and CO2 enthusiasts may well be working from the same body of knowledge.
I think I am ahead of both in placing the primary influence on solar variability (top down) as modulated by oceanic variability (bottom up) leaving the effects of human CO2 emissions nowhere in comparison.
The late 20th century warming trend (now deceased) showed poleward / zonal jets, reduced global cloudiness, increased ocean heat content, cooling of the stratosphere and warming of the middle latitudes at a time of active sun.
Now we see a less active sun, stabilising if not reducing ocean heat content, increased global cloudiness as per the Earthshine project, equatorward / meridional jets and a cessation of the warming trend in the troposphere and a cessation of the cooling trend in the stratosphere whilst the middle latitudes become cooler.
Everything has gone into reverse since around 2000 as the sun became less active.
What more evidence do you need ?

Pamela Gray
February 9, 2014 12:30 pm

Again, Stephen you rely on observation as the beginning and end of your thesis. Low level discourse at best. And you fail to refute intrinsic drivers. Granted that is more advanced in terms of classic scientific investigation, but you still fail to even link to the many pieces of research on intrinsic drivers.

February 9, 2014 12:38 pm

Pamela,
What do your ‘intrinsic drivers ‘ suggest ?
What are your ‘intrinsic drivers’ beyond sun and oceans ?
GHGs could be regarded as ‘ intrinsic drivers’ but how far would our emissions shift the jets and climate zones as compared to solar and oceanic variability ?
Do you have any idea ?
If I am ‘more advanced in terms of classic scientific investigation’ then how do you come to the conclusion that my thesis is low level discourse at best ?
I want the correct diagnosis, do you ?

Pamela Gray
February 9, 2014 1:06 pm

Stephen
You ask: What do your ‘intrinsic drivers ‘ suggest ?
1. Intrinsic oceanic/atmospheric teleconnections appear quite able to drive natural weather pattern trends in short and long term time spans and clearly vary the amount of solar incoming energy to a far greater degree than solar variation itself does. There is both intrinsic plausible mechanism and correlation in weather pattern trends.
You ask: What are your ‘intrinsic drivers’ beyond sun and oceans ?
2. Intrinsic drivers are a combination of Earths rotation and geography combined with oceanic/atmospheric teleconnections. Not to mention the atmospheric soupy chaotic movement akin to those you find in fluid dynamic theory. Besides, it is accepted theory, even doctrinal, that oceanic/atmospheric teleconnections are far more powerful in driving measurable temperature anomaly trend than the Sun is. At best solar driven changes to measured temperature are calculable but not detectable in weather noise averages be they anomaly or actual temperatures.
You state: GHGs could be regarded as ‘ intrinsic drivers’
3. Anthropogenic CO2 is not generally considered to be intrinsic to Earth. Intrinsic parameters are those in nature, including natural CO2.
and ask: but how far would our emissions shift the jets and climate zones as compared to solar and oceanic variability ? Do you have any idea?
4. When looking at the energy available from LW oceanic heating due to the anthropogenic portion of CO2, I do not find sufficient evidence in the literature that demonstrates sufficient energy necessary to drive the recent barely decades long warming trend much less the Jets. I also do not find evidence of sufficient solar energy to do that.
You ask: If I am ‘more advanced in terms of classic scientific investigation’ then how do you come to the conclusion that my thesis is low level discourse at best ?
5. I certainly did not say you are more advanced. I said that refuting the null hypothesis by finding robust fault with it is advanced scientific investigation, a level I find you wanting in.
You ask: I want the correct diagnosis, do you ?
6. I want those who propose alternate theories to use standard scientific discovery methods. You do not use those methods.

James
February 9, 2014 1:42 pm

[snip – per WUWT policy, ‘Chemtrail’ comments not allowed here -mod]

February 9, 2014 1:55 pm

Pamela,
1) Do you realise that solar effects on internal system features such as ozone amounts at different heights above the tropopause can affect the proportion of solar radiation that can enter the oceans by changing global cloudiness via air circulation changes ?
I’m not sure that you appreciate the implications of that.
2) I agree with all those factors as modulating influences but what if solar effects on ozone outweigh all of them by altering the proportion of solar energy able to enter the oceans in the first place ?
3) I referred to GHGs generally and not just anthropogenic GHGs..I simply think that GHGs whether anthopogenic or not make little difference to the global air circulation compared to the contribution from solar and oceanic variability.
4) You have to look at he the cloudiness changes that result from solar variations. Those changes are out of proportion to changes in raw TSI and would seem to be sufficient to account for observations as per previous threads on this site and elsewhere.
5) You can adjust the intended meaning of your words if you wish but they remain in place. The null hypothesis is that all observed changes are natural and my hypothesis seems to be in line with that.
6) Scientific methods appear to have been somewhat lacking of late. In any event my hypothesis refers clearly to the findings of others and places them within a physically plausible scenario. That is good enough if it leads to any degree of predictive skill and indeed it is doing so. My hypothesis anticipated a reverse sign solar effect on ozone amounts before reports of increasing ozone at a time of quiet sun came in for the 2004 / 2007 period above 45km. I also anticipated a continuing negative AO and AAO, more meridional jets, more global cloudiness and a return to dominant La Nina over El Nino.
What ‘better’ and more ‘scientific’ methods do you propose ?

Pamela Gray
February 9, 2014 2:07 pm

Refuting the null hypothesis is a long ordeal and you have not even started. That is also true of those who believe in the ozone hypothesis related to solar mediated cloud coverage. The oceans are far more capable of creating cloud cover and the equatorial trade wind is far more capable of removing that cloud cover than anything ozone can do. Stephen, in every instance you reference completely UNSUBSTANTIATED conjecture! Very unscientific. You are proving my case without me.
I have visited your site and you do an extremely poor job of refuting all the intrinsic parameters that are accepted causes of weather pattern variations. That you claim otherwise proves the real old adage, “we are our own BEST critics”.

February 9, 2014 2:17 pm

Pamela.
You are entitled to your opinion.
In the meantime if you come across any real real world data that goes contrary to my hypothesis over a long time scale do please let me know.
I don’t think that I need to ‘refute all the intrinsic parameters that are accepted causes of weather pattern variations’ because they are all subsumed into my general overview.
Nor is my ‘conjecture’ ‘unsubstantiated’ because it fits both observations and basic physical principles.
Best wishes.

February 9, 2014 2:24 pm

Pamela Gray said:
“The oceans are far more capable of creating cloud cover and the equatorial trade wind is far more capable of removing that cloud cover than anything ozone can do”
The oceans do indeed play their part as per my own ‘Hot Water Bottle Effect’ but the oceans respond to the air flows above them and if the sun affects the global air circulation from above by affecting the gradient of tropopause height between equator and poles as I propose then all the oceans can do is modulate the solar effect rather than drive anything themselves.
I would say that the sun proposes but the ocean disposes.

milodonharlani
February 9, 2014 2:36 pm

Robert Bissett says:
February 9, 2014 at 10:38 am
Earth has been in Icehouse mode for about 38 million years, ever since Antarctica was isolated from South America & Australia by deep ocean channels. Ice sheets have been a permanent feature of our planet since then. The climate got even worse when North & South America joined at the Isthmus of Panama, about 3 Ma, producing the waxing & waning but mostly waxing Northern Hemisphere glaciations you cite.
Warmunistas try to blame CO2 for the Cenozoic ice age, fingering the weathering Himalayas, but the lame excuse doesn’t wash, so to speak. CO2 decrease is caused by cooling climate, not the main driver of it & ditto for its fluctuations during warmer interglacials, such as now

Pamela Gray
February 9, 2014 3:25 pm

Stephen, you seem to think that ozone changes caused by solar UV changes precede height changes in various atmospheric layers over the Arctic pole. I think you have cause and effect reversed.
http://airs.jpl.nasa.gov/maps/satellite_feed/ozone/ozone.html

Pamela Gray
February 9, 2014 3:33 pm

Stephen, while some of these papers rely on models and many are infused with global warming hype, the underlying physics related to our discussion is applicable. I thought you might appreciate some of these papers as they might add information to your understanding.
http://agwobserver.wordpress.com/2013/05/07/papers-on-tropopause-height/

Linda Goodman
February 9, 2014 5:09 pm

Linda Goodman says: @ February 8, 2014 at 4:53 pm
…could the triple meltdowns in Japan be affecting the weather via the radioactive isotopes…
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Gail Combs says: @ February 8, 2014 at 7:31 pm
No. If you want the straight story do not listen to the hysterical News Media that wants to sell papers not report the news accurately.
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Actually, the news media says very little about the meltdowns – almost all of it reassuring, I don’t need a lesson on their motives and I have no use for hysteria, or insulting assumptions.
When the accidents first occurred in Mar 2011, there were freak radioactive snowstorms nearby, including CA & HI and on the US navy ship off Japan’s shore that severely poisoned dozens of servicemen and women. What is the science behind that, and might it explain the current frigid weather? btw, the ‘worst snowstorm in decades’ hit Japan today.. “Approximately 13.8 inches of snow was dumped on the northeastern city of Sendai…. the heaviest snowfall in 78 years. Fukushima was also blanketed in 17.3 inches of snow.”

Pamela Gray
February 9, 2014 6:07 pm

Linda, the loopy jet stream fully explains the frigid extreme weather. It happens from time to time. Nothing to worry about. This link might help:
http://www.oregon.gov/ODA/nrd/docs/dlongrange.ppt

Janice Moore
February 9, 2014 7:01 pm

Dear Ms. Goodman,
There is natural radiation around us {for instance, a granite kitchen counter top} all of the time and has always been there since the birth of the earth . Source: Physicist: There Was No Fukushima Nuclear Disaster, Kelvin Kemm, 10/12/13.
Link: http://www.cfact.org/2013/10/12/physicist-there-was-no-fukushima-nuclear-disaster/
A selection from the above source:

Total number of people killed by nuclear radiation at Fukushima was zero. Total injured by radiation was zero. Total private property damaged by radiation….zero. There was no nuclear disaster. ***
Recently some water leaked out of the Fukushima plant. It contained a very small amount of radioactive dust. The news media quoted the radiation activity in the physics measure of miliSieverts. The public don’t know what a Sievert or a milliSievert is. As it happens a milliSievert is a very small measure. *** Doubling a very small amount is still inconsequential. It is like saying: “Yesterday there was a matchstick on the football field; today there are two matchsticks on the football field. Matchstick pollution has increased by a massive 100% in only 24 hours.” ***
All that is left is a bit of radioactive Tritium. Tritium is actually part of the water molecule anyway *** The Tritium heavy water is very mildly radioactive and is found normally in the sea all over the world all of the time. This Tritium concentration in the one thousand storage tanks at Fukushima is higher than that found naturally in the sea, but is still so low as to pose no real danger at all. ***

Id. {emphasis mine}
Further, as post hoc, ergo propter hoc is all that you are floating your speculation on so far, your ideas above just sank. Until you rest your case upon facts and evidence, every one of your comments will just… blub….blub…. blub…….. sink to the bottom.
Cite your evidence and your sources, and you will greatly increase your chances of getting a thoughtful response here. If the quality of your evidence is poor, the response may be quite curt.
So far, you appear to be merely a wild-eyed hand waver. I’m not saying that you ARE one, just that by your failing to cite evidence, you do yourself the disservice of making yourself APPEAR to be one.
If your pursuit of truth is genuine, I wish you much success in your investigation of the facts!
If you are emotionally and irrationally simply against nuclear power per se, I hope that, someday, you can bring yourself to step back from that ledge and take a calm look at the facts. Once your eyes are able to focus, gazing through unglazed lenses of objectivity, you will like what you see!
Best wishes,
Janice
P.S. Re: my referring to you above as ignorant — That is, per se, nothing of which to be ashamed and is not a put down. It is simply a fact (albeit stated a bit bluntly). In case this will encourage you, I’ll tell you that, compared to the majority of the commenters on this site, I am highly ignorant of physics, nuclear power engineering, chemistry, and math (among many other subjects!). This is a great place to LEARN!

Janice Moore
February 9, 2014 7:07 pm

@ Werner Brozek — Du bist willkommen! Es war mir ein Vergnügen.
(yes, I most certainly DID have to use a translator, lol)
[For the rest of us minions, that was “You are welcome! It was my pleasure.” 8<) Mod]

Janice Moore
February 9, 2014 7:18 pm

Well, Hellooooooo Mod! Thanks for that. lol, and, waddaya know, that’s exactly what I typed into that translator.
#(:))

Janice Moore
February 9, 2014 7:55 pm

Well, Pamela Gray, while your comments were directed at S. Wilde, they were helpful to me, so, I say, “Thank you for your persistence in explaining.”
I think wherever Wilde is, it must be quite late in the evening. I just want to jump in before he returns to say that he is blessed to have been given so much of your helpful tutoring. He should hire you to be his mentor to write up his dissertation!
Hm. Somehow, I don’t think he is interested in doing that… .
Sending you admiration and respect from far to the northwest of you,
Janice

Linda Goodman
February 9, 2014 11:14 pm

Janice Moore commented:
So far, you appear to be merely a wild-eyed hand waver. I’m not saying that you ARE one, just that by your failing to cite evidence, you do yourself the disservice of making yourself APPEAR to be one.
If you are emotionally and irrationally simply against nuclear power per se, I hope that, someday, you can bring yourself to step back from that ledge and take a calm look at the facts. Once your eyes are able to focus, gazing through unglazed lenses of objectivity, you will like what you see!
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Eyes focused, here’s what I see.. Lethal nuclear waste continues to accumulate, poisoning the earth and all living things for countless ages, darkening our collective future, maybe even destroying it. Nuclear power puts extinction in our reach: “I am become death, destroyer of worlds.” If reincarnation is a fact, nuke profiteers will be among the unfortunate who stumble on the waste in one, ten, a hundred thousand years, dying slowly and horribly without a clue, over and over again. Karmic justice.. assuming there’s still a world worth being reborn into.
Most reactors have the increasingly likely potential to kill and maim millions, leaking demons that sit among us, poisoning our children and saving the worst for last, and for what? Boiled water and bombs. So with all due respect, I think the support of nuclear energy at best lacks any common sense, at worst is nihilistic and pathological. Some nuke supporters also claim CO2 is deadly and produce all the baffling bull to back up that absurd claim, too. They’re a special kind of crazy, imho.

February 10, 2014 12:35 am

Pamela.
What part of your link indicates that tropopause height changes always precede ozone changes.
My position is that anything which affects stratosphere temperatures will also affect tropopause height.
If one has both top down and bottom up effects as I contend then both processes can occur not just one or the other.
There would be no tropopause if ozone had not been formed first so your attempt at downplaying the effect of stratospheric ozone on tropopause height is doomed.

Carbomontanus
Reply to  Stephen Wilde
February 10, 2014 10:35 am

@ Stephen Wilde
I am following your argument with increasing and positive interest because I have speculated in the area for myself.
I have derived my very understanding of the climate dispute from the tropopause and the fact of global cooling rather than global warming, the tropopause being the cool side of the globe with allmost incredibly low temperatures worldwide and right towards the sunstitch also.
Care to give that fact the right physical explaination first, before you enter and interfere in the climate dispute.
The tropopause is what is denied and hidden by the climate surrealists, but the tropopause is the economic commercial levels and fields of the worlds fleet of long distance civil jetliner traffic.
Discovered by balloon in 1905 where they fainted even with oxygen masks going higher up, they woke up again lower down as their balloon ran out of gas, and could publish this to humanity. (The discovery of the stratosphere)
The worlds fleet of weather balloons have reported that fact ever since simply by carrying a barometer, a termometer, a radio transmitter, and a proper Radar reflector, the knick of the lapsrate and the quite phaenomenal low temperatures there, the very fameous “isotherm layer”.
On the Venus transit, good amateur photos showed that Venus also has got a thin gas above its tropopause, that follows Bolzmanns barometric law. But I was told that it is not a “stratosphere”, which is probably bullshit. Only that it has no oxygen. It is nearly pure nitrogen and CO2. The top layer on Venus the shiny white clouds measure …… -40 celsius right in the sunstitch.
I just tell you this. It must be checked up in order to stick to reality and to science , and I do not think or believe that Oxygen and Ozone and sunstitch = sharp UV on common air does regulate so very much on the tropopause that rather seems to be a CO2- phaenomena.
The temperature maximun at about 30 Km height, also consequently shown by the weather balloons, is sun and oxygen and ozone- related according to orthodoxy.
I know a bit of what eats ozone and what makes it, from the side of physical chemistery. Thus I rather discuss photochemical smog and perhaps volcanoes after having dug a bit into it.
I also discuss Pearl mother clouds and Nocti- lucent clouds that tell us more about the stratosphere physical chemistery and radiology. Those clouds are what we can possibly follow on amateur level and try and give the right physical explaination for first.. Do not be blind to the heavens and do keep proper ground contact.
We were lucky to have the Eyafjallajøkull high smokes one afternoon showing no pearl mother effect at the same heighth, so I can discuss particle and cristal size. Do not take anything for serious in science unless you have seen it or heard it quite consciously for yourself, because the experts may cheat you.
Auguste Piccard soon went higher up in a balloon using a light and tight tank for being able to breathe pure oygen at high enough pressure.
The russian Mig 27 has gone up to 21-22 Km with paying passengers. That plane looses breath and begins to stall at that heighth, and the passengers must wear a pressure- suit.
I red that the US air force is stalling and loosing breath at 27 Km.
The record of big balloons is around 40 Km. A man has jumped from there in pressure suit.
For higher measurements you must shoot ballistic rockets or use indirect radio or optical methods.
This seems to be reality.
Thus, Allways keep in touch with what is possible eperiments and measurement.
I find life quite more exiting when I do that, and it enables me to do it for myself and to beat the big guys now and then on my small scale allready.
I could beat Henrik Svensmark for instance on CLOUD in CERN, simply by using an iron and HCl & H2O2 & NH3 & H2SO4 & Citric acid & K3Fe(CN)6, + a filter paper + an incandescent lamp & the early morning sunlight & the milky way galaxy in 2011.
Thus Non fingendum aut excogitandum sed inveniendum quod natura faciat aut ferat,
= a very good advice from Francis Bacon that I hereby give further..
.

daddylonglegs
February 10, 2014 9:14 am

Tokyo’s heaviest snow in decades seems to be bringing out some nuclear common sense, they just voted in a new governor who promises to restart the city’s nuclear power stations:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26103296
Maybe brains, like silicon chips, work better when its cold. In Japan at least, it would be good if the same happened in the USA.

daddylonglegs
February 10, 2014 9:38 am

Linda Goodman says:
February 9, 2014 at 11:14 pm
Eyes focused, here’s what I see.. Lethal nuclear waste continues to accumulate, poisoning the earth and all living things for countless ages, darkening our collective future, maybe even destroying it.
Both a coal fired power station and your average hospital discharge more radioactivity in a week than a nuclear power station.
Nuclear power puts extinction in our reach: “I am become death, destroyer of worlds.” If reincarnation is a fact, nuke profiteers will be among the unfortunate who stumble on the waste in one, ten, a hundred thousand years, dying slowly and horribly without a clue, over and over again. Karmic justice.. assuming there’s still a world worth being reborn into.
No you are become Cornholio, this is the most entertaining insane rant all week. (That’s a lot of rants.) We live in a radioactive world whose radioactivity has been declining over its 4 billion year history. Life evolved and flourished in a sea of ionizing particles. Life is self-assembling entropy-exporting order out of chaos which is constantly repairing itself. Every DNA strand breaks every few minutes but is continually repaired, this is not from radioactivity but just quantum chaos, radioactivity has to reach very high levels before it makes a significant difference to this. Such morbid fear of radioactivity is exactly as irrational as medieval fear of demons and witchcraft behind every miscarriage or crop failure. The popular fear of things nuclear and radioactivity is pure superstition in defiance of a large literature that shows that both animals and plants receive beneficial, not harmful effects from doses of radiation in the tens or even hundreds of milligrays. Ionizing radiation, like any other toxin, becomes harmful only above a threshold which is way above all but the most catastrophic nuclear discharges.
Most reactors have the increasingly likely potential to kill and maim millions, leaking demons that sit among us, poisoning our children and s