The NOAA Space Weather Prediction Center released their January 2014 solar data, and it has one small surprise, the 10.7 radio flux is the highest ever in cycle 24, the other metrics, not so much.
SSN has been about where the much adjusted prediction line says it should be for the last four months.

The 10.7cm radio flux hits a new high.

Meanwhile, the Ap magnetic index continues its slump as it has since October 2005, bumping along the bottom.

Because the ‘complex additive’ (tetraethyl lead) was a cheaper way to increase the octane rating of the gasoline than to refine the hydrocarbons to achieve the same effect.
I stand corrected. I thought it just prevented knocking (premature detonation) associated with the valves, that was cured instead by car companies re-engineering the valves so that they wouldn’t erode under the pressures needed to get efficient combustion without lead. I admit to getting confused by the co-option of the simple idea of percentage of iso-octane vs heptane compared to relative burn efficiency of a raft of alternative additives. Sigh.
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Dr. Svalgaard, I’m not sure why you previously said that the solar wind interaction at both earth poles is the same. I looked up the Hemispheric Activity Level at http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/ftpdir/lists/hpi/power_2013.txt, and in perusing the data, I couldn’t find any corresponding hemispheric power equality in gigawatts at any closely-spaced times for north and south hemisphere measurements. One problem with comparing both poles simultaneously is the fact that no two N and S readings are taken at the same exact time by the NOAA satellites. However, closely timed measurements as seen in the data list varied a great deal between hemispheres. Why is that? Would that not indicate that the poles respond non-symmetrically to the solar wind? The auroras “look” somewhat symmetrical, but maybe looks are deceiving there.
Additionally, specifically, what causes magnetic field “lines”? Your old friend Hannes Alfven retracted his original proposition that they are “frozen in” space, and he called that idea a mistake. Doesn’t the flow of electrons create the magnetic structures around the sun and earth? The field “lines” really don’t exist do they? Aren’t they a conceptual construction illustrating the directional motions of electrons?
rgbatduke says:
February 5, 2014 at 7:17 am
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I look forward to reading whatever you write youre just an incisive great mind. its a pleasure to read your posts.
as for economists…i lean to friedman and von hayek. keynes didnt really understand the limitations of central planning…the inability to access full information…..
as for creating inflation through increased energy prices…consider that the CPI, which is used to adjust stuff like social security payments and the interest on inflation “protected” government debt instruments, doesnt include energy, or for that matter food.
because when old people heat their homes, or buy cat food to eat, theyre not consuming, theyre investing in the future.
what do I know. in any case thanks for posting.
lsvalgaard says:
February 4, 2014 at 9:38 pm
Sparks says:
February 4, 2014 at 9:33 pm
A magnet does not wind up its own field.
Let us hope Carla is paying attention.
however, a magnet embedded in a plasma does wind up its field: the spiral field lines in the solar wind…
That is the crucial difference between a conducting and a non-conducting environment.
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The Earth’s magnetosphere is sounding more like it is embedded in a ‘current sheet,’ based on the following. And sounds like plenty of wave action, but you say no “twisting up?” Don’t we see current sheets on the Jovians and aren’t they twisting up?
Megavolt Parallel Potentials Arising from Double-Layer Streams in the Earth’s Outer Radiation Belt
F. S. Mozer1, S. D. Bale1, J. W. Bonnell1, C. C. Chaston1, I. Roth1, and J. Wygant2
Received 22 August 2013; published 2 December 2013
http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v111/i23/e235002
Huge numbers of double layers carrying electric fields parallel to the local magnetic field line have been observed on the Van Allen probes in connection with in situ relativistic electron acceleration in the Earth’s outer radiation belt. For one case with adequate high time resolution data, 7000 double layers were observed in an interval of 1 min to produce a 230 000 V net parallel potential drop crossing the spacecraft. Lower resolution data show that this event lasted for 6 min and that more than 1 000 000 volts of net parallel potential crossed the spacecraft during this time. A double layer traverses the length of a magnetic field line in about 15 s and the orbital motion of the spacecraft perpendicular to the magnetic field was about 700 km during this 6 min interval. Thus, the instantaneous parallel potential along a single magnetic field line was the order of tens of kilovolts. Electrons on the field line might experience many such potential steps in their lifetimes to accelerate them to energies where they serve as the seed population for relativistic acceleration by coherent, large amplitude whistler mode waves. Because the double-layer speed of 3100 km/s is the order of the electron acoustic speed (and not the ion acoustic speed) of a 25 eV plasma, the double layers may result from a new electron acoustic mode. Acceleration mechanisms involving double layers may also be important in planetary radiation belts such as Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune, in the solar corona during flares, and in astrophysical objects.
Let me see if I can get my foot in my mouth again. lol
Wouldn’t the act of “twisting up” produce those double layers seen in the radiation belts. Alls it takes is a little rotation.. but no..
Current sheets on all Jovians and similar on Earth and Mercury
Observations of plasma sheet structure
and dynamics
Chris Arridge1,2
1. Mullard Space Science Laboratory, UCL.
2. The Centre for Planetary Sciences at UCL/Birkbeck.
Magnetospheres of the Outer Planets – Boston, USA – Tues 12 July 2011
Discussed:
– Plasma sheet global shape and position and observations of its dynamics.
– Plasma sheet thickness variability.
– Centrifugal effects on latitudinal structure.
– Reconnection, periodic plasmoid release and recurrent energisation.
– Energisation of plasma.
– Current sheet tearing.
– Current sheet oscillations and waves.
– Discrete blobs of plasma.
http://www.bu.edu/av/csp/MOP_Presentations/arridge_csa_mop_plasmasheetinvited.pdf
Observations of plasma sheet structure
and dynamics
Chris Arridge1,2
We might have some incites into “twisting up” and some incites into vortices from Saturn..
And how bout some spin periodicities in the magnetosphere of Saturn for exammples?
The Seasonal Variations of Saturn’s Current Sheet Tilt
Khurana, K. K.; Dougherty, M. K.; Russell, C. T.
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2012espc.conf..310K
European Planetary Science Congress 2012, held 23-28 September
The location of a planetary current sheet, where most of the magnetospheric plasma resides, is determined by the effects of centrifugal, solar wind and Lorentz forces on the plasma. It is well known that at any local time, Saturn’s current sheet develops a static tilt from solar wind forcing which gives it a global shape of a shallow bowl [1]. However, less appreciated is the fact that the current sheet also develops a dynamic tilt which moves the current sheet up and down at any local time during a Saturnian day [2]. Khurana et al. (2009) suggested that the dynamic tilt results from the asymmetric lift of the magnetosphere in the presence of ring current asymmetries which rotate with the planet [3]. Khurana et al. (2009) examined Cassini data from the period of 2004-2006, when the solar elevation angle was > 14 degrees. They showed that during this time, the dynamic tilt was > 10 degrees. Saturn passed through its equinox during July 2009. The solar elevation angle during 2009 was between -3.4 and 2.2 degrees. Using magnetic field observations from this period, we now show that the dynamic current sheet tilt was also extremely small (< 5 degrees). We further show that the current sheet's dynamic tilt is governed largely by the solar elevation angle. The variability of Saturn's current sheet's dynamic tilt has implications for the models of spin periodicity in Saturn's magnetosphere.
Two types of models have been proposed to explain the spin periodicities in the magnetosphere. In the magnetospheric driven models, an inner magnetospheric vortex drives cyclical convection in the magnetosphere and creates periodicities in the observed field and plasma parameters. In the ionospheric driven models, a vortex in the ionosphere imposes magnetospheric periodicities including dynamic tilt in Saturn's current sheet
Bob Weber says:
February 5, 2014 at 3:22 pm
I looked up the Hemispheric Activity Level at http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/ftpdir/lists/hpi/power_2013.txt, and in perusing the data, I couldn’t find any corresponding hemispheric power equality in gigawatts at any closely-spaced times for north and south hemisphere measurements.
The aurorae are extremely dynamic and very narrow spatially. The satellite traverses an aurorae in seconds, so it is no wonder that the detailed data don’t match. An auroral ‘substorm’ lasts from minutes to a couple of hours. What is important are, of course, the larger events, say above 100 GW. If you look through the file you linked to you will find that such large events have a companion in the other hemisphere rather close in time; here are some examples:
2013-02-20 11:23:03 NOAA-15 (N) 10 110.44 1.25
2013-02-20 12:12:55 NOAA-15 (S) 10 101.98 1.10
2013-02-21 18:38:35 METP-02 (S) 10 97.07 0.79
2013-02-21 19:15:31 NOAA-19 (S) 10 117.15 0.83
2013-02-22 02:04:23 NOAA-15 (N) 10 118.79 1.81
2013-02-22 03:46:47 NOAA-15 (N) 10 104.82 2.84
2013-03-01 09:56:09 METP-02 (N) 10 96.68 1.60
2013-03-01 10:12:55 NOAA-15 (S) 10 110.71 1.05
2013-03-01 11:03:31 NOAA-19 (S) 10 129.75 1.06
2013-03-01 11:03:35 NOAA-15 (N) 10 173.53 1.30
2013-03-03 02:11:31 NOAA-19 (S) 10 101.79 0.80
2013-03-03 02:24:09 METP-02 (N) 9 85.29 0.94
2013-03-17 06:09:27 NOAA-15 (N) 9 76.09 3.44
2013-03-17 06:28:36 NOAA-19 (S) 10 152.64 1.58
2013-03-17 08:41:43 NOAA-15 (S) 10 98.68 0.90
2013-03-17 09:01:24 NOAA-19 (N) 10 136.77 0.98
2013-03-17 09:32:39 NOAA-15 (N) 10 98.00 1.71
2013-03-17 09:52:04 NOAA-19 (S) 10 101.10 1.20
2013-03-17 10:22:47 NOAA-15 (S) 9 87.35 1.11
2013-03-17 10:42:28 NOAA-19 (N) 10 104.48 1.17
2013-03-17 12:03:19 NOAA-15 (S) 10 130.49 1.04
2013-03-17 12:23:16 NOAA-19 (N) 10 98.92 1.32
2013-03-17 12:26:54 NOAA-18 (N) 9 89.40 1.31
2013-03-17 12:31:56 NOAA-17 (S) 10 108.01 0.88
2013-03-17 14:29:58 METP-02 (N) 10 113.47 0.76
2013-03-17 14:55:00 NOAA-19 (S) 10 112.38 1.32
2013-03-17 15:23:51 NOAA-15 (S) 10 104.63 1.26
2013-03-17 15:45:08 NOAA-19 (N) 10 196.16 1.26
2013-03-17 17:03:35 NOAA-15 (S) 10 111.94 1.19
2013-03-17 17:26:44 NOAA-19 (N) 10 211.43 1.11
etc, you get the idea.
Also, different satellites have different sensitivity and different orbits so will never see the same thing, but the overall energy deposited over some time, e.g. a day will correlate closely, see e.g. slide 10 of http://www.leif.org/research/POES%20Power%20and%20IHV.pdf [North is blue, south is red]
Additionally, specifically, what causes magnetic field “lines”? Your old friend Hannes Alfven retracted his original proposition that they are “frozen in” space, and he called that idea a mistake.
This is a hard-to-kill untrue myth perpetuated by people with an agenda. What Alfven was saying was that ideal MHD with frozen-in magnetic field does not allow the kind of explosions and energy releases we see in solar flares and magnetic storms. For ‘action’ to take place, the frozen-in condition must be ‘thawed’. This can, and does, happen during magnetic reconnection. So Alfven’s point was that the concepts ‘frozen’ and ‘thawed’ apply to different situations which must not be confused. In the ‘frozen’ condition field lines have an existence given to them by the plasma riding on them: move the plasma and the field line moves with. A good example of frozen in magnetic fields is the heliospheric magnetic field rooted in the Sun but frozen to the plasma of the expanding solar wind and thus wound into a spiral by the rotation of the Sun. In a plasma field lines exist in the sense that you can follow the motion of the field line, in a vacuum or a non-conductor they do not exist in the same way [although the magnetic field is there] and you cannot tell one from the other, they are not ‘lit up’ as they are in a plasma.
Carla says:
February 5, 2014 at 5:02 pm
and on and on.
Carla, I’m tired of explained the same thing again and again. So, none of what you bring up is relevant and It just wastes bandwidth you keep posting abstract after abstract of things you do not understand.
Carla says:
February 5, 2014 at 5:02 pm
lots of irrelevant stuff
I’ll try one more [last] time: rotate a magnet in a plasma and the field lines wind or twist up. Rotate the magnet in air, a vacuum or any other non-conductor, the field lines do not wind or twist up. Since there is this literal air-gap between the rotating Earth and the magnetosphere, the Earth’s rotation does not wind up the field lines in the ionosphere and magnetosphere. For the Sun there is no air-gap and the rotating Sun does indeed wind up the magnetic field in the heliosphere into the well-known spiral shape.
Thank you for your Dr. Svalgaard. I do have an agenda: understanding what’s going on exactly, which I’m pretty sure you would appreciate. Of course I have my bias as most do. On page 6 of your given pdf, you say “Very similar result for the Southern Hemisphere (no surprise as POES Hp is calibrated so that the South has the same mean as the North).” What underlying rational was there for the South and North calibration means to be equated the same?
With so many satellites, I can only imagine what a job that is calibrating them!
I was able to find some significant N-S differences in the data (just a sampling – too many to list):
2013-01-20 07:38:22 NOAA-18 (N) 7 32.94 1.26
2013-01-20 07:50:41 METP-02 (S) 10 117.75 0.83
2013-01-20 08:01:50 NOAA-16 (N) 8 48.72 2.80
2013-01-20 08:05:59 NOAA-15 (S) 10 109.99 0.84
2013-01-21 00:34:38 NOAA-18 (N) 3 4.53 0.96
2013-01-21 00:42:25 METP-02 (S) 7 25.11 0.90
2013-01-21 22:39:58 NOAA-18 (N) 4 7.72 0.76
2013-01-21 22:40:49 METP-02 (S) 6 19.67 1.11
So maybe we’re both right sometimes!
Regarding field “lines”, yes, I did think that the magnetic fields move with the plasma, as you appear to be saying too. But, I wonder how does anyone know “… in a vacuum or a non-conductor they {field lines} do not exist in the same way [although the magnetic field is there]”? There really isn’t a true vacuum or non-conducting space in the heliosphere, is there?
Doesn’t the solar wind plasma exist everywhere in the heliosphere, just at varying densities? The use of words like “frozen” and “thawed” appear to be generally vague, considering nothing in space is actually motionless, especially plasma, which means magnetic fields are ever-variable, right? Motionless plasma being the only condition where magnetic fields would be “frozen”, were that possible. Is it?
I’ve seen it written that flares and resultant CMEs are caused by “magnetic energy” – well, if magnetic energy is proportional to plasma flow/density, and plasma is ionized hydrogen, a combination of electrons and protons, and, as you’ve said in previous blogs, that inside a plasma flow such as in the solar wind, there exists an electrical current (electrons & protons – charge in motion), then isn’t it fair and accurate to say that flares and CMEs are caused by overloaded plasma tubes bridging sunspot regions, in effect an overload of electrical current?
If so, that would mean “magnetic energy” really results from plasma caused “electrical energy”. To me, the use of the term “magnetic energy” doesn’t cover the true cause of the magnetism, the electrical currents caused by plasma flows of electrons and protons.
Bob Weber says:
February 5, 2014 at 9:44 pm
I do have an agenda: understanding what’s going on exactly
I don’t think so [judging from your comments]. Rather, you have a need to fit things into your worldview which is inviolate. As far as understanding what goes on exactly, I have that understanding [well, perhaps not ‘exactly’ – nobody has that] and am trying to pass it to you, but you resist and reject.
On page 6 of your given pdf, you say “Very similar result for the Southern Hemisphere (no surprise as POES Hp is calibrated so that the South has the same mean as the North).” What underlying rational was there for the South and North calibration means to be equated the same?
As the northern and southern auroral zones are cut by the satellite orbits in slightly different ways [therefore sampling the magnetic regions differently], normalizing to the same mean makes it easier to compare the two hemispheres. In any event, the difference is small so will not have a significant impact.
I was able to find some significant N-S differences in the data…
So maybe we’re both right sometimes!
No, because what is important is not the instantaneous values but the values summed over several passes, e.g. covering a day. Try to average the power for each day and then compare.
There really isn’t a true vacuum or non-conducting space in the heliosphere, is there?
There certainly is [and that is what started this whole ‘discussion’], namely the air you breathe: there is a 60 mile non-conducting air gap between the surface of the Earth and the ionosphere.
Doesn’t the solar wind plasma exist everywhere in the heliosphere, just at varying densities?
See just above. And in addition the magnetic fields of most planets exclude the solar wind from their environment.
The use of words like “frozen” and “thawed” appear to be generally vague
They have a very precise meaning and were used by Alfven himself.
Motionless plasma being the only condition where magnetic fields would be “frozen”, were that possible. Is it?
No, the solar magnetic field is frozen into the solar wind moving at 400 kilometer per second.
flares and CMEs are caused by overloaded plasma tubes bridging sunspot regions, in effect an overload of electrical current?
Absolutely true, but the crucial point is how that electrical current is generated. In flares and magnetic storms the current is caused by changes of the magnetic field, e.g. by reconnection or by twisting and rotating the field.
If so, that would mean “magnetic energy” really results from plasma caused “electrical energy”.
Other way around as just explained.
To me, the use of the term “magnetic energy” doesn’t cover the true cause of the magnetism, the electrical currents caused by plasma flows of electrons and protons.
Since the plasma is electrically neutral there are no electric currents as electrons and protons move together, [and this is important] unless they encounter a magnetic field which will deflect the electrons and protons in opposite directions, so, again, you see the supremacy of the magnetic field in generating the electric currents that are the cause of the explosive events. We use the same mechanism to generate power here on earth [from wikipedia: “A dynamo machine consists of a stationary structure, called the stator, which provides a constant magnetic field, and a set of rotating windings called the armature which turn within that field. The motion of the wire within the magnetic field causes the field to push on the electrons in the metal, creating an electric current in the wire”]
A change has come over the ratio of whole spot to umbra:
It has been as high as 10-1, but in late November started falling, and is now in a more ‘normal’ 4-1
That 4-1 to 6-1 is seen for about 80-90% of a Solar Cycle. SC24 has been truly a weird beast of a Solar Cycle.
Again, my lack of clarity. My remark should have continued
But inflation, in reality, is extraordinarily difficult for a central bank to create. Japan has been trying to do it for 20 years. Debt-to-GDP (that money supply you were talking about) over 200% for 20 years. Interest rate at 0% to 0.25% for 20 years. Can’t do it. The Federal Reserve targeted 2%. Can’t do it either. Inflation is at 1.5%.
I agree with rgbatduke at February 5, 2014 at 7:17 am
and with this
However, rgbatduke,
You might be surprised to know that natural gas was locked in at 30 cents in early 1978. Jimmy Carter deregulated it, and it went to around $2.30, an embarrassment but waaaaay cheaper than oil that traveled to $38/barrel by then as a result of the Oil Crisis (oil was $3.00/barrel before the Yom Kippur War, Oct 1973, when the Oil Crisis started). It took at least two to three years for the power plants to retool, but that broke the back of OPEC and brought energy prices down to an eventual $10/barrel. Reagan got the praise, but it was Carter who did it.
That horrific inflation (20% and above) of the late 70s and early 80s was the result of Fed Chairman Paul Volker who didn’t understand how monetary operations worked. He set a limit on borrowed reserves of $50 billion, and said the banks couldn’t have any more money. Volker didn’t understand that banks make loans which make deposits, and then two weeks later they settle up with the Fed (Volker was still thinking like a gold-standard animal, not unlike Ron Paul). So, first Volker transferred interest rate control to the New York Fed from the Washington Fed by default. The banks would add up their deposits and instead of $50 billion in reserves, they would need, say, $55 billion and the Fed was supposed to say you can’t have it (at the Fed Funds Rate, which was normal but Volker didn’t know). The loans and deposits had already been made, and the banks already had an overdraft at the Fed for the reserves because a loan/deposit creates an automatic need for reserves at the Fed; ergo an overdraft, which is an automatic loan. The banks had no option but to try to borrow from each other to cover their reserve requirement, driving up interest rates. Or go to the Fed’s discount window with its particular interest rate; however, use of the discount window would precipitate bank examiners at the bank trying to use the discount window and each bank would pass until the interest rate was attractive enough to endure the bank examiners, sometimes reaching 28% in one day. It was a mess. It took over a couple of years for Volker to understand that he didn’t know what he was doing and fix it, but the damage had been done.
As for this, I agree completely
Policycritic (February 6, 2014 at 3:36 am) “That horrific inflation (20% and above) of the late 70s and early 80s was the result of Fed Chairman Paul Volker who didn’t understand how monetary operations worked…”
That is completely incorrect. Volker was sworn in as Fed Chairman in August 1979 as the price of gold was rocketing skywards: http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/fredgraph.png?&id=GOLDAMGBD228NLBM&scale=Left&range=Custom&cosd=1968-04-01&coed=1980-01-01&line_color=%230000ff&link_values=false&line_style=Solid&mark_type=NONE&mw=4&lw=1&ost=-99999&oet=99999&mma=0&fml=a&fq=Daily&fam=avg
It was Volker who put an end to “inflation” in every sense of the word.
First, I will use the term “price inflation” to avoid confusion. “Price inflation” is not some arcane side effect of high interest rates as you seem to be implying above. “Price inflation” is a psychological side effect of “monetary inflation” which was practiced by the prior Fed chairs particularly Nixon’s toady Arthur Burns who flooded the economy with money specifically to enhance Nixon’s reelection prospects in 1972. Once the inflation was embedded into the remnants of America’s strong 1950’s and 60’s economy, wages and prices soon spiraled upwards at double digit rates. Inflationary psychology was rampant.
I would go to the Burlington mall every month or two which was filled from end to end with stamp and coin dealers, and buy and sell gold or old pocket watches or practically any other collectable. I sold everything in 1981 just after the peak, not because I was smart, but because I needed the money for college.
Bubbles have their own psychology and the gold price peaked dramatically 6 months after Volker’s appointment. But inflation psychology is harder to kill so prices still rose for a year or two after that.
Dr. Svalgaard, I question [most of the time], YOU reject [sometimes].
On Jan 31, ACE RTSW MAG from 14:00 to 20:00 UTC Bx, By, and Bz were as flatlined as I’ve ever seen, can you explain how that happens please?
If your arguments regarding the plasma and magnetics can be absolutely confirmed, I’ll be the first in line to pat you on the back for it. Our argument appears on the level of “what came first, the chicken or the egg?” Perhaps there are pre- or misconceptions on both sides, and I do appreciate your “trying”. Thickheadedness appears to vary with the solar wind and magnetics as well!
As for the use of averages, running means, and statistics: you may call me a “true believer” in that I think events cause events – things cause things to happen, and mathematical constructions don’t [not to say the laws of physics aren’t represented mathematically]. Of course the math is essential to analyze events and make predictions.
I am an audio engineer from wayback, and instantaneous power is a very important metric wrt sound. I think the same type of audio analysis applies to solar activity metrics. So with that in mind, I do think that the significantly different nearly-instantaneous POES readings are not irrelevant as compared to the averages, as you appear to suggest, and later today, I will do as you suggest, “Try to average the power for each day and then compare.” We’ll see…
I said: “The use of words like “frozen” and “thawed” appear to be generally vague.” and you said,
“They have a very precise meaning and were used by Alfven himself.” My question now is, did he use those descriptors before or after he changed his mind regarding “frozen-in” magnetic fields?
Where you say, regarding a non-conductive region: “There certainly is [and that is what started this whole ‘discussion’], namely the air you breathe: there is a 60 mile non-conducting air gap between the surface of the Earth and the ionosphere.” I have to respond with: what about lightning? What about the electric field from ground to the ionosphere and atmospheric ions?
You say, “Since the plasma is electrically neutral there are no electric currents as electrons and protons move together, [and this is important] unless they encounter a magnetic field which will deflect the electrons and protons in opposite directions, so, again, you see the supremacy of the magnetic field in generating the electric currents that are the cause of the explosive events.”
What about the plainly described heliospheric current sheet? It is from the plasma flowing [solar wind] from the sun outwards, right? Further, since the electrons and protons are deflected in opposite directions, wouldn’t there be evidence at the Earth’s poles for a higher electron concentration at one pole and then a corresponding higher proton concentration at the other pole?
What happens when electrons and protons in the solar wind move together in the magnetosphere? Do they spiral together at any time? Would this not create twisting magnetic field “lines” and outwardly appear as twisting filaments at the right wavelength(s)? Aren’t those Birkeland currents?
As well, how does your assertion that electrons and protons move together (proportionately?) square with the fact that the GOES solar wind electron flux and proton flux readings don’t track very well together most of the time?
What about the reverse of what wikipedia describes as a dynamo: a magnet (the Earth) immersed in a varying stream of charged particles (the wires)?
As for today’s solar activity: SSN 234, SFI 194, the highest values in a while; and a rarity, Bz negative now for 12 straight hours (continued linkage to Earth’s magnetic field.) That’s just food for thought – we’ll see if anything comes of that. Also looking at AIA 211/193/171, we can see the polar coronal holes are nearly symmetrical, as well as the hemispheric active regions, looking like a “balanced” sun. Is that something we’d expect after solar max?
Bob Weber says:
February 6, 2014 at 7:32 am
Dr. Svalgaard, I question [most of the time]
‘Questioning’ does not lead to understanding [Learning does], unless you question your own bias. You don’t gain understanding by ignoring hard-won knowledge, but from learning about the science involved. Looking over your comments I can see that you have learned absolutely nothing. Not once, have you said “Ah, I see it now. Thanks for furthering my understanding’.
On Jan 31, ACE RTSW MAG from 14:00 to 20:00 UTC Bx, By, and Bz were as flatlined as I’ve ever seen, can you explain how that happens please?
The solar wind speed did not vary during that time, so we just hit a pocket of calm. Nothing unusual there. The air wind speed at a location on the Earth also has calm periods.
If your arguments regarding the plasma and magnetics can be absolutely confirmed
These are not ‘my arguments’, but rather what all available data supports and is generally accepted as valid by people who know something about this.
Our argument appears on the level of “what came first, the chicken or the egg?”
To get electric fields in a plasma you need magnetic fields [to separate the charges], so the question is ‘where did the very first magnetic fields in the universe come from?’. How do we create a magnetic field from nothing? This is a valid and interesting question. I discuss it here http://www.leif.org/research/The-Origin-of-Magnetic-Fields.pdf
It is also of interest to remember that from 389,000 years after the Big Bang the universe was not a plasma until some 200-400 million years later.
instantaneous power is a very important metric wrt sound. I think the same type of audio analysis applies to solar activity metrics.
In a very inhomogeneous medium the power varies greatly from place to place and to get a good measure you need to sample it in many places and average over space and time. A single point-measurement is almost meaningless as a characterization of the medium.
My question now is, did he use those descriptors before or after he changed his mind regarding “frozen-in” magnetic fields?
He did not change his mind [in spite of my telling you that already, you insist on perpetuating the myth – you didn’t learn a thing], he pointed out that although the magnetic field is generally frozen in to a plasma [and he did not question that], you need to ‘thaw’ the field [his words] in places to get the explosive events we observe. Nobody disagrees with him about that, in fact, magnetic reconnection relies on the MHD conditions breaking down at the boundary between the two oppositely directed magnetic fields. This can happen when the length scale becomes smaller than the gyro-radius of the particles.
I have to respond with: what about lightning? What about the electric field from ground to the ionosphere and atmospheric ions?
Lightning occurs precisely because air is not a conductor. This allows a large voltage to build up, eventually to be discharged as a short-duration transient event. The electric field also exists because the air is non-conducting. If air were a conductor that field would discharge right away.
What about the plainly described heliospheric current sheet? It is from the plasma flowing [solar wind] from the sun outwards, right?
The current is a drift current caused by the magnetic field changing direction across the sector boundary.
Further, since the electrons and protons are deflected in opposite directions, wouldn’t there be evidence at the Earth’s poles for a higher electron concentration at one pole and then a corresponding higher proton concentration at the other pole?
No, there wouldn’t and there isn’t.
What happens when electrons and protons in the solar wind move together in the magnetosphere? Do they spiral together at any time? Would this not create twisting magnetic field “lines” and outwardly appear as twisting filaments at the right wavelength(s)? Aren’t those Birkeland currents?
Figures 1 and 2 in http://www.leif.org/research/suipr699.pdf explains what happens.
As well, how does your assertion that electrons and protons move together (proportionately?) square with the fact that the GOES solar wind electron flux and proton flux readings don’t track very well together most of the time?
Because the instruments record different energy ranges.
What about the reverse of what wikipedia describes as a dynamo: a magnet (the Earth) immersed in a varying stream of charged particles (the wires)?
The Earth is immersed in an electrically neutral medium. Your body is also a collection of charged particles, but is overall [one might hope] electrically neutral.
Is that something we’d expect after solar max?
The sun and the solar wind are extremely dynamic and messy. Looking at different times you may find just about any combination of things you could ask for.
All of this we have gone over again and again, both here and in other posts, and you [and other adherents] have learned nothing and understood nothing.
Thanks for the chart. It proves one of my points: people still don’t understand what it means to be off the gold-standard 100% and how that affected monetary operations, and neither did Volker then, who thought that if you restricted the reserves you would control the money supply and curb inflation; he made it worse. It had nothing to do with gold because we were not pegged to it.
Here’s the history and I’ll try to be brief. As your chart shows, gold was (artificially) pegged at $35/ounce internationally until August 15, 1971. The USA went off the gold-standard domestically in 1934 (or so), but was still pegged to it internationally. [Any newly discovered store of gold would reduce the value of your currency, not increase it.] That meant all export and import payments were settled internationally in gold, and that was done, literally, with a forklift that would move gold between cages designated by country in the basement of the NY Fed (don’t know how many other district Feds did that, maybe DC, San Fran).
In 1970, Nixon discovered that Charles De Gaulle had taken every US$35.00 he could get his mitts on and exchanged it for an ounce of gold, physically taking possession, draining the US coffers for over 10 years. Americans loved French wine, French this, French that, and he was happy to sell them to us. The US dollar by that time had become the reserve currency, wresting it from the British Pound, especially after the run on gold dissolved London’s gold pool sometimes in the 60s. So on August 15, 1971, on the advice of Herb Stein and others Nixon took us off the gold standard and we, the USA, became 100% monetarily sovereign for the first time in our history, able to pay for anything denominated in US dollars both domestically and internationally. Our dollar was no longer pegged to a fixed exchange rate. It was floating, and free. [That $100 case of wine that had to be paid for in gold? From a macro POV, it cost us $0.07, the cost of printing a $100 bill.]
As your chart shows, once gold was depegged from the US$, the commodity price of gold soared. It had, and has, nothing to do with the value of the $US. It had, and has, nothing to do with inflation. Zero. And thank god, because the commodity price of gold has gone up and down like a toilet seat for the last 13 years, from ~$200/ounce to a high of ~$1900/ounce (the Hugo Chavez gold affair). Had we been on gold, we would have replicated the panics and depressions of the late 1800s and early 20th C.
Meaningless statement. The price of goods and services in the economy is not determined by monetary (Federal Reserve) operations.
Wages have gone down 19% since the early 70s in the aggregate.
These myths are as destructive as the current debt ceiling crisis. The debt ceiling was imposed in 1917 to put a belt and set of suspenders on the gold supply after WWI. It should have been wiped from the books in 1971 as soon as we became 100% monetarily sovereign (but then the country was going through Watergate and journalists knew nothing, still don’t.) The debt ceiling has no logical meaning in today’s economy. Zero. Zip. Those using it today for political purposes and financial blackmail are impoverishing this country. It is criminal, and in my opinion, its practitioners should be in jail for lying to the American people, causing untold sorrow and pain to ordinary people, because some of those congressional bastards know the truth about the debt ceiling ruse and are using the deception for their own political and career purposes.
Dr. Svalgaard, if I thought my bias was unquestionably correct, why would I bother asking you questions? You are a great man of science. I really respect your experience and desire to inform. Your insults don’t hurt me, because I’m just a student in life, and like a student should, I’m not afraid or embarrassed to ask questions. It appears that if I or someone else doesn’t parrot what you say, you get insulted. You express a great deal of frustration on the blogs, not just to me. Perhaps your patience wears thin. I won’t be browbeaten into anything by you.
Over the past few months as I’ve taken a keener interest in this stuff, I’ve noticed all the different blogs over time where you’ve participated (not just at WUWT), and at times, you’re very testy and dismissive, and at other times very forthcoming and gracious with your knowledge. I realize you have gone over and over the same territory so many times with so many people for so many years, that I’m amazed that you still put yourself through it all here if it bothers you that much.
Very few people have had the long experience in these matters that you have had, and maybe you’ve taken for granted the questioning that you once went through as a student in life. Often when we see something that looks contradictory to stated fact, or read seemingly contradictory statements, we have to question what is meant, exactly. If I appear to be slow in learning its because there’s so much to learn, and time is so short with so much else to do in life, especially this winter. So, I’m sorry that you’re offended by myself and others. I do try to be respectful to you. “Sparks”, further up this blog, was being rather dense and then disrespectful in my opinion: it’s not too hard to understand that a single solar max indice is useful.
I don’t like to brag; neither did my father. But in my own defense, allow me to express this story. Even though I’m an electrical engineer by education, I ended up owning two dump trucks and a log skidder along with numerous chainsaws, and have worked in the hard maple forests in N. Michigan for many years, doing dangerous yet rewarding work – alone. Starting with no mechanical knowledge or experience, I mastered my equipment by asking questions of and working with experienced mechanics and machinists, reading specs and owners manuals, doing the hands-on work myself, making all the mistakes and misdiagnoses possible along the way before getting things right. I successfully rebuilt gas and diesel engines, designed and built a self-powered mobile double splitter machine with conveyor, and conducted my business in every kind of weather imaginable to deliver the goods. I am hard core. I don’t quit. I will not give up searching for answers about how it all works, EVER.
Scientific method: observe, question, hypothesize, test, validate.
Now, back to our irregularly scheduled program.
In reference to http://www.leif.org/research/The-Origin-of-Magnetic-Fields.pdf , strangely, you answered my question with the answer I gave you that you rejected.
Here it is, the truth, in this paper that you provided. If you don’t want to believe me, believe your own paper. From page 4:
“Biermann to the Rescue” Ludwig Biermann, 1907-1986, Zeitschrift für Naturforschung, vol. 5a, p 65 (1950) proposed a mechanism “The Biermann Battery Process” by which a weak seed magnetic field can be generated from zero initial conditions by the relative motion between electrons and ions.”
There it is. “Magnetic field can be generated from zero initial conditions by the relative motion between electrons and ions”
That is pretty much what I’ve been saying all along: charge-in-motion creates the magnetic fields, not the other way around.
Since I don’t take anything said or written for granted without checking it out first, I’ll go find what Hannes Alfven said, and when he said it, and if I learn that your characterization of his position is correct, I’ll thank you for pointing that out. Further, I’ll be calculating the 2013 POES data averages as you recommended, and if what you say is verified, I’ll thank you for pointing that out.
As a matter of philosophy, what is more absurd, that the Universe of everything is finite and started with a bang from nothing, or that the Universe is infinite in time and space? I go with the second option. There is no bridging that gap. It’s one way or the other. I don’t expect us to resolve that, and for all practical purposes we shouldn’t waste our time with it.
As for how the sun-earth connection and how that works; it’s electromagnetic, electric, and magnetic. Can’t we agree on that?
I can’t wait to read your paper, “Geomagnetic Activity: Dependence on Solar Wind Parameters”, and see what I else I can learn from you.
Uh, I made a mistake in how I said something. I meant to say that I believe the Universe is infinite in time and space, and that what is more absurd is saying that the Universe of everything is finite and started with a bang from nothing. Sorry for that. We’re all human and error prone, especially typing!!!
Bob Weber says:
February 6, 2014 at 7:36 pm
I won’t be browbeaten into anything by you.
My goal is to inform you, not to browbeat you, but you are almost impossible to teach.
at other times very forthcoming and gracious with your knowledge.
A lot depends on the student. If a student is not willing to learn it doesn’t matter how forthcoming I am.
I’m amazed that you still put yourself through it all here if it bothers you that much.
Teaching does not bother me the least. Willful ignorance does.
we have to question what is meant, exactly.
And I explain patiently what is meant, exactly. It is there for the taking.
If I appear to be slow in learning its because there’s so much to learn, and time is so short with so much else to do in life, especially this winter.
There being much to learn it is important that learning actually takes place, and I have found with you that you have not learned anything at all, mostly because of your unwillingness to do so.
So, I’m sorry that you’re offended by myself and others.
I am never offended by anybody, even Sparks. Such antics I just ascribe to an immature, small mind and such people can probably not help it anyway.
Starting with no mechanical knowledge or experience, I mastered my equipment by asking questions of and working with experienced mechanics and machinists
If that is so, how come you have not made any progress here.
I will not give up searching for answers about how it all works, EVER.
But you will not accept the answers when given to you, so you don’t get to enlightenment, EVER.
There it is. “Magnetic field can be generated from zero initial conditions by the relative motion between electrons and ions”
This is the typical out-of-context quote.
That is pretty much what I’ve been saying all along: charge-in-motion creates the magnetic fields, not the other way around.
The seed field generated this way are trillions of times smaller than the field we see today. The amplification of those fields is due to plasma moving in the magnetic fields creating the electric currents that have effects. The Biermann mechanism is not the cause of modern magnetic fields.
Since I don’t take anything said or written for granted without checking it out first, I’ll go find what Hannes Alfven said, and when he said it, and if I learn that your characterization of his position is correct, I’ll thank you for pointing that out.
But you initially misstated his view apparently without checking first, so your high-minded declaration seems a bit disingenuous.
Further, I’ll be calculating the 2013 POES data averages as you recommended, and if what you say is verified, I’ll thank you for pointing that out.
I hope you will learn from that experience to trust what I tell you. Why would I tell you something that is not true?
As a matter of philosophy, what is more absurd, that the Universe of everything is finite and started with a bang from nothing, or that the Universe is infinite in time and space?
The Universe is infinite in space but not in time.
It’s one way or the other.
You missed the third possibility that I just pointed out.
As for how the sun-earth connection and how that works; it’s electromagnetic, electric, and magnetic. Can’t we agree on that?
It is electromagnetic [light], magnetic and mechanical [the solar wind], and gravitational [solar tides]. No electricity from the Sun is involved