January solar cycle 24 numbers, a new high for one, continued slumps for others

The NOAA Space Weather Prediction Center released their January 2014 solar data, and it has one small surprise, the 10.7 radio flux is the highest ever in cycle 24, the other metrics, not so much.

SSN has been about where the much adjusted prediction line says it should  be for the last four months. 

Latest Sunspot number prediction

The 10.7cm radio flux hits a new high.

Latest F10.7 cm flux number prediction

Meanwhile, the Ap magnetic index continues its slump as it has since October 2005, bumping along the bottom.

Latest Planetary A-index number prediction

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February 4, 2014 8:01 am

Tim Clark says:
February 4, 2014 at 7:57 am
I think you missed the allusion Pamela was referring to, or perhaps I did too.
I think it generally is better to stick to facts [and relevant opinions related to the topic] and avoid allusions, hints, obliqueness, etc

PeterB in Indianapolis
February 4, 2014 8:10 am

@Policycritic – Gail claims the Fed did something, you claim the banks did something… HOWEVER, you seem to miss the whole idea that the Federal Reserve Bank is the Bank that controls all of the other banks, so I don’t think you really invalidated Gail’s argument.

mpainter
February 4, 2014 8:13 am

Mosher: oh, tell us, pleaseplease, tell us who of the global warmers use a consistent basis? Do you mean Hansen and GISS?

February 4, 2014 8:23 am

John Day says:
February 3, 2014 at 5:58 pm
2014 01 162.69 157.50
Another reason the January values are so high. Solar flares contribute to F10.7.
Here are the values from ftp://ftp.geolab.nrcan.gc.ca/data/solar_flux/daily_flux_values/fluxtable.txt
20140104 200000 2456662.322 2145.617 0262.0 0253.3 0228.0
20140104 220000 2456662.406 2145.620 0218.3 0211.1 0190.0
20140105 180000 2456663.239 2145.650 0210.5 0203.6 0183.2
20140105 200000 2456663.322 2145.653 0217.5 0210.3 0189.3
20140105 220000 2456663.406 2145.656 0222.1 0214.7 0193.3
20140106 180000 2456664.239 2145.687 0204.3 0197.6 0177.8
20140106 200000 2456664.322 2145.690 0203.9 0197.2 0177.5
20140106 220000 2456664.406 2145.693 0208.5 0201.6 0181.4
20140107 180000 2456665.239 2145.723 0592.4 0572.8 0515.5
20140107 200000 2456665.322 2145.727 0237.1 0229.3 0206.4
Flares on Jan. 4th and Jan.7th caused very high values [e.g. 592.4 !]. Those should ordinarily be removed [they used to be in the past] manually but since all is now done by computer there is no manual quality control any more. As their website says: “This measurement has been derived, processed and transmitted automatically”.
If the anomalous values are removed, the mean for January is 156.88 instead of 162.69.

Gail Combs
February 4, 2014 9:12 am

rgbatduke says: February 4, 2014 at 7:40 am
….One doesn’t have to go into the distant past to observe this — many of the “official” thermometers contributing to the contemporary measurements of land surface temperatures are utterly and obviously corrupted by siting issues, as has been pointed out repeatedly. My favorite one locally is RDU airport, which tied an all time minimum temperature (for the date) last week at 7 F. The odd thing is that in my backyard 15 miles away, the minimum temperature was 5 F. In the surrounding countryside on all sides, the field of minimum temperatures was 4F to 5F. RDU is in the middle of a web of expressway and increasing urbanization, and the weather station is sitting a few meters away from a huge, heat retaining runway that is doused every few minutes with superheated jet exhaust consisting of CO_2 and H_2O vapor. It always reads hotter than the surrounding countryside….
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I am south of you about 25 miles. We had a temperature of 1 °F at the local small town airport. The airport at Siler City – Muni, Siler City, was 0 °F on Jan 30th. (The record is described as 7 °F (1977) KRDU, The Raleigh-Durham International Airport.)
The Climastrology mixmaster would homogenize and adjust those numbers…. actually I do not think those airports are even in the database despite the fact they are a better measure of conditions without UHI

February 4, 2014 9:18 am

lsvalgaard says:
February 4, 2014 at 6:49 am
“The smoothed values [over a year] are in the right-most column and they show a maximum of 66.9 and will probably reach 70 in the months to come.”
The value of 66.9 is a smoothed value and is only one point of solar maximum, are you saying that your prediction of 70 was for this one value?
Looking at the smoothed numbers, there are 0 values in the 70’s, there are 6 values in the 60’s and 12 smoothed values in the 50’s.
If we are using smoothed number values to judge how weak or strong this cycle is, so far, the 50’s have it. Which is a remarkable 150-200 below Hathaway’s original predictions, 40 below this “consensus” value of 90 and 20 below your value of 70.

February 4, 2014 9:30 am

Sparks says:
February 4, 2014 at 9:18 am
The value of 66.9 is a smoothed value and is only one point of solar maximum, are you saying that your prediction of 70 was for this one value?
You are still not paying attention. The prediction of the size of a solar cycle is a single number, namely the highest value for the cycle of the monthly smoothed sunspot number calculated by SIDC in Brussels. That number for cycle 24 so far stands at 66.9 and is well on its way to reach 70.

John Day
February 4, 2014 9:32 am

@Leif
> Solar flares contribute to F10.7.
> 20140107 180000 2456665.239 2145.723 0592.4 0572.8 0515.5
Ok, I guess you could say that their data is “fluxed up” 😐
Don’t understand why they can’t validate and filter the data with simple thresholds. How hard could that be?

February 4, 2014 9:40 am

John Day says:
February 4, 2014 at 9:32 am
Don’t understand why they can’t validate and filter the data with simple thresholds. How hard could that be?
At least they honestly report what is actually measured. The filtering can be done by the user of the data. I do that in my plot of F10.7 here http://www.leif.org/research/TSI-SORCE-Cycle-24.png

February 4, 2014 9:42 am

lsvalgaard says:
February 4, 2014 at 9:30 am
The prediction is pointless!

February 4, 2014 9:54 am

Sparks says:
February 4, 2014 at 9:42 am
The prediction is pointless!
A correct prediction is worth billions as the run of the cycle is determined by that single number Rmax [the maximum monthly value of the yearly smoothed sunspot number]. A small example: NASA was contemplating de-orbiting the Hubble Space Telescope about ten years ago when it looked like cycle 24 would be large, but changed their mind based on our prediction of a low cycle and we got more than a decade’s worth [still going on] of observations.
The health of geostationary satellites and the insurance premium the operators have to pay depend on solar activity. Here is a look of some of them http://www.leif.org/research/Geostationary-2010-03-15.png

February 4, 2014 10:27 am

lsvalgaard says:
February 4, 2014 at 9:54 am

The maximum monthly value of the yearly smoothed sunspot number is way lower than Hathaway’s prediction and is lower than your prediction of 70. The average of the maximum monthly value of the yearly smoothed sunspot number so far is in the 50’s.
You haven’t predicted when this single number would occur, only that your prediction of 70 would be reached somewhere during this cycle, which it has not, well, not yet.
Is the maximum monthly value of the yearly smoothed sunspot numbers likely to reach a random peak of 70 or above? It’s possible but not likely, in my own opinion, the average of the Rmax values will remain at 50 with few 60’s and with no peaks of 70+.

February 4, 2014 10:39 am

Sparks says:
February 4, 2014 at 10:27 am
the average of the Rmax values will remain at 50 with few 60′s and with no peaks of 70+.
You are still not paying attention. There is only ONE Rmax value in the solar cycle. It is at least 66.9 and with the high activity lately is likely to reach the 70s [the average since June of last year is 70 and for 2014 so far 82]

February 4, 2014 11:15 am

lsvalgaard says:
February 4, 2014 at 10:39 am
“You are still not paying attention”
I usually just ignore your insults and the silly bate n’ switch tactics.

February 4, 2014 11:18 am

Sparks says:
February 4, 2014 at 11:15 am
“You are still not paying attention”
I usually just ignore your insults and the silly bate n’ switch tactics.

As I said: ‘you are still not paying attention’, and now we learn it is deliberate…
Your loss.

February 4, 2014 11:34 am

@rgbatduke
Wonderfully stated, as usual.
I would love to buy you a drink some time & have a chance to chat. I’m not used to talking with people who think so clearly 🙂
(The offer is serious, as I work in downtown Raleigh – if you want to take me up on it, please have the mods forward my email.)

February 4, 2014 11:56 am

It is interesting that neither the posting nor Leif are claiming that a new smoothed maximum has been reached, presumably because “the bottom of http://www.solen.info/solar/ ” uses SIDC data? But from NOAA data available on the web at http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/ftpdir/indices/old_indices I get

[1] "average centred on 1 2012 is 91.92"
[1] "average centred on 2 2012 is 94.1"
[1] "average centred on 3 2012 is 93.99"
[1] "average centred on 4 2012 is 91.25"
[1] "average centred on 5 2012 is 87.61"
[1] "average centred on 6 2012 is 83.87"
[1] "average centred on 7 2012 is 82.31"
[1] "average centred on 8 2012 is 83.08"
[1] "average centred on 9 2012 is 83.63"
[1] "average centred on 10 2012 is 84.96"
[1] "average centred on 11 2012 is 87.27"
[1] "average centred on 12 2012 is 88.04"
[1] "average centred on 1 2013 is 87.12"
[1] "average centred on 2 2013 is 86.75"
[1] "average centred on 3 2013 is 85.73"
[1] "average centred on 4 2013 is 86.75"
[1] "average centred on 5 2013 is 90.51"
[1] "average centred on 6 2013 is 94.44"
[1] "average centred on 7 2013 is 97.94"

(Sorry about not reformatting the R output.) And so we see that by NOAA data the 94.1 centred on February 2012 has been exceeded in both June and July 2013. To get to a standard sunspot number you have to multiply by 0.6, giving 58.8 for the latest value.
So yes, a roughly 14 year interval from maximum 23 to maximum 24.
Rich.
[Easiest table formatting is “pre” and “/pre” within the “<" and “>" brackets. Mod]

February 4, 2014 12:14 pm

See – owe to Rich says:
February 4, 2014 at 11:56 am
It is interesting that neither the posting nor Leif are claiming that a new smoothed maximum has been reached, presumably because “the bottom of http://www.solen.info/solar/ ” uses SIDC data?
I monitor the NOAA data as well here: http://www.leif.org/research/TSI-SORCE-Cycle-24.png
The green lines at the bottom. One problem with the NOAA data is that it is meant for real-time consumption and NOAA does not make an effort to keep the calibration stable over time. For the last year the ratio SIDC/NOAA has been 0.685.

Tom in Florida
February 4, 2014 12:22 pm

rgbatduke says:
February 4, 2014 at 7:40 am

February 4, 2014 2:34 pm

Leif says: For the last year the ratio SIDC/NOAA has been 0.685.
So, Leif, what you are saying, since 0.685 > 0.6, is that even though NOAA are over-counting specks they are not doing it as badly as SIDC? 😉
Cheers,
Rich

brantc
February 4, 2014 3:32 pm

“lsvalgaard says:
February 3, 2014 at 8:55 pm
Brant Ra says:
February 3, 2014 at 8:46 pm
I said the sun indirectly caused the polar vortex. I was wrong. The sun is directly responsible in that the solar wind interaction with the IMF affects that magnetosphere and thereby affecting the polar vortex.
And you are still wrong. There is no evidence for that. On the contrary: the solar wind interaction is the same in both hemispheres, but breakdowns of the polar vortex almost exclusively happen in the northern hemisphere.”
Oh. So there is no South pole and North pole… Those seem different to me….
Did you not see the the footprints of the magnetosphere are where the polar vortex is located? And that it changes with the solar wind? If there was a just a magnetosphere and no sun I would not expect any change in magnetic activity. But since there is a changing power input(solar wind) into a constant magnetic field I expect changes especially in a plasma system…..
Simple logic…

February 4, 2014 3:39 pm

See – owe to Rich says:
February 4, 2014 at 2:34 pm
So, Leif, what you are saying, since 0.685 > 0.6, is that even though NOAA are over-counting specks they are not doing it as badly as SIDC? ;-
SIDC has never overcounted. They started undercounting about 1999 and their count is about 12% too low. See slide 24 of http://www.leif.org/research/SIDC-Seminar-14Sept.pdf
brantc says:
February 4, 2014 at 3:32 pm
Simple logic…
Indeed, simple logic says that we should have the same polar vortex breakdowns in both hemispheres if solar activity were the primary factor, but since we do not observe that…

James Abbott
February 4, 2014 5:12 pm

So what has happened to the sceptic hatred of trying to predict through models?
Seems like there is a lot of predicting going on here – and for what ?
Is it that the wishful thinking has not materialised into reality ?- namely that solar activity was about to collapse – leading to a hoped for maunder minimum and falling global temperatures ?
The Sun is notoriously difficult to predict other than on large scales. Lets just wait and see how this cycle pans out.
Right now we have a high sunspot number, a complex and huge active region flaring and plenty of aurora.
http://www.spaceweather.com/

Policycritic
February 4, 2014 5:13 pm

PeterB in Indianapolis says:
February 4, 2014 at 8:10 am
@Policycritic – Gail claims the Fed did something, you claim the banks did something… HOWEVER, you seem to miss the whole idea that the Federal Reserve Bank is the Bank that controls all of the other banks, so I don’t think you really invalidated Gail’s argument.

First of all, I wasn’t attempting to invalidate Gail’s argument; I consider her one of the more astute commenters on this site and value her arguments. I was attempting to expand upon it in one important way…or two. 😉
I am aware that the 12 regional Federal Reserve banks regulate the private member banks in their districts. Or they are supposed to by their federal charter, and by law. They are public-private entities; so are banks. (And the NY Fed, aka Timothy Geithner then, was supposed to regulate mortgage banks—not part of the Federal Reserve system—and didn’t, even though the FBI warned in Sept 2004 that mortgage fraud was at 90%; ergo, the 2008 Great Recession.)
However, the Federal Reserve is a schizophrenic, and misunderstood, beast. It must, by law, do what Congress tells it to do. It answers to Congress, by law, and must return net profits to the US Treasury annually. It handles the US Treasury’s account and its high-powered money as its banker…and…it backs up the banking and payment systems as banks create credit money, the majority of money created, in the system. Since October 22, 1999, however, the Fed Chairman under Clinton allowed these banks to become casinos when they ripped up Glass-Steagall. I say Fed Chairman even though it was Citi’s CEO Sandy Weill and Phil Gramm that twisted Congress’s arm to destroy the stability of the banking system in place for ~65 years; Greenspan could have sounded the alarm, but didn’t.
My quibble was with Gail’s statement that “The Fed already did via inflation (currency devaluation),” and I apologize for not being clearer about that. On a macro level, US currency has not been devalued. If anything, the Fed’s massive QE programs for the last five years purchasing Treasury Securities on the open market has removed interest income that would otherwise go to the seller over time from the economy, thereby making US dollars scarcer in the macro, which increases the value of the currency. Inflation since the 1970s has gone down from double digits to its current 1.5%, fifty basis points below the Fed’s current target of 2%. Inflation is not the problem.
The entities that have had free reign to alter asset prices (by gaming the system in my opinion) are the banks untrammeled by sufficient regulation by the Federal Reserve Board of Governors. Instead of loaning on credit worthiness—their original charter—banks now loan on the underlying value of the financial asset which they have a direct interest in seeing increase. Why? More money to the banker as their fees are a percentage of the value of the loan.
I hope this is clearer.

February 4, 2014 5:22 pm

James Abbott says:
February 4, 2014 at 5:12 pm
So what has happened to the sceptic hatred of trying to predict through models?
since models are an expression of what we [think we] know, one can only predict through models. No models, no valid predictions.