I applaud BEST for transparency, but they ultimately do the same thing NASA, CRU and the rest do…alter measured temperatures.
I have looked extensively at local temperature series. The raw plots are given but are then altered to match some mythical regional trend. If none of the local stations show that trend, then from where does it come?
Mike Mangan
December 12, 2013 10:20 am
From the looks of the poster, the United States is on fire, man!
Steve from Rockwood
December 12, 2013 10:23 am
I love the term homogenized. Just like milk, they remove all the good stuff so whatever is left over will last forever.
Rob Dawg
December 12, 2013 10:30 am
I have to watch my blood pressure whenever I see “adjustments.” Dedicated people trudging out to a thermometer unceasingly for years back in the 1930s. What would they think if they knew 80 years after their painstaking observations trying to eek out the last 0.1° F from the instruments that people would be adjusting their numbers by several degrees?
What about their blood pressure if they heard any of the excuses? “Yes, you measured a high of 92° but because of urban heat island effects in the 2010s what you really saw was 89°. Trust us.”
Bloke down the pub
December 12, 2013 10:31 am
Look forward to hearing how it matches up to USCRN.
James Allison
December 12, 2013 10:43 am
These three musketeers are going to save the world from us.
“… the United States is on fire, man!” (Mike Mangan at 10:20am today)
Lol, yes, indeed. BUT, that was the “Before” panel of graphics.
The “After” (the day after the day after…) panel is: All the warming went north! (note the two hockey sticks in our little graphs above; that means all of Canada is up — in flames) — THE ENTIRE NORTHERN HEMISPHERE (and especially the Arctic where no one goes much) IS BURNING UP! SEND M-O-N-E-Y NNNOOOOOWWWW!
Sure, this is the message of that poster from 10 feet. How much closer do you think most people will come to it (except to turn their backs on it for a photo op)? Just more propaganda.
Resourceguy
December 12, 2013 10:59 am
I thought blue was officially banned as a thematic color anyway. It sounds like New Improved Best, as in marketing hype.
Mindert Eiting
December 12, 2013 11:04 am
If biologists would present to us a homogenized fossil record, we know that they have done something with the data. In that case it is not a data set.
Mike Mangan
December 12, 2013 11:05 am
Zeke is like, “Why do I always have to get the coffee?”
Mosher is OK, one day he’ll leave the CO2 presumption behind and get on to natural variability; when he does I got the data waiting.
Janice Moore
December 12, 2013 11:24 am
@ur momisugly Frank Kotler — Well, I have never heard of him, so I just Bing’d his name and if he’s the guy connected with Berkeley Earth, it is Rohde.
Alan Robertson
December 12, 2013 11:38 am
Mike Mangan says:
December 12, 2013 at 10:20 am
“From the looks of the poster, the United States is on fire, man!”
_____________________
Yes, on fire. Here in the center of the nation, Oklahomans awoke to an egg- frying 18F this morning.
dbstealey says:
December 12, 2013 at 11:50 am
Lest folks forget, here is the BEST graph — before and after “adjustments”.
It seems that BEST has followed the lead of Mann’s Hokey Stick chart.
+++++++++
Where’s the source of this data that created the graph? I’d like to learn more about what BEST recent says about AGW, warming cooling etc. It seems Steven Mosher does not believe we are headed for doom
Alan Robertson
December 12, 2013 12:08 pm
James Allison says:
December 12, 2013 at 10:43 am
These three musketeers are going to save the world from us.
_________________________
Swashbuckling fashionistas…
There are no adjustments.
There is the raw data if you like crap.
There is qc data
There is breakpoint data.
Then there is the estimated field.
We dont adjust data. We identify breakpoints and slice.
Then we estimate a field.
Steven Mosher, you do not agree with Rohdes in this video, do you? All and all I’m unclear on your thoughts on CO2 and whether it’s the culprit for the warming.
Rob Dawg says:
December 12, 2013 at 10:30 am “I have to watch my blood pressure whenever I see “adjustments.” Dedicated people trudging out to a thermometer unceasingly for years back in the 1930s. What would they think if they knew 80 years after their painstaking observations trying to eek out the last 0.1° F from the instruments that people would be adjusting their numbers by several degrees?
Exactly. I was looking into BE to see what they’ve done with one very long record from the Prague Klementinum (uninterrupted since 1775) at BE – which already in the past was absolutely raped and merged with another record from Prague Ruzyne airport by the GISS – even the original record is kept uninterrupted untill very present.
And what do you think?
It was raped even more by the BE and merged with yet another record from Prague-Libus station.
In fact there doesn’t exist any record neither for Prague-Ruzyne, nor Prague-Libus before 1950, yet BerkeleyEarth has it back to 1700s.
Magicians…
What is really funny: the adjustments made to the Prague-Klementinum (made in the past already by the GISS -clearly to get rid of the hot decade 1790-1799) are quite very different than the adjustments done with the Prague-Klementinum+Prague-Ruzyne/Prague-Libus record (just compare this and this(the “PRAHA/RUZYNE U/A TO LIBUS11520” before 1950 it is the Klementinum record – just in the BE they don’t know…).
Which somehow seems to well show what a guessjob is all this.
If they do everything like treating the most valuable historic records their credibility in my opinion tends to simmilar level as that of GISS, moreover they have land only, which is quite unsufficient for global climatology for a planet where more than 2/3rd of the surface is covered by the ocean…
Janice Moore
December 12, 2013 12:27 pm
“We don’t adjust data. … we estimate … .” (S. M0sh-er <– to avoid moderation)
Oh.
Janice Moore
December 12, 2013 12:32 pm
@ur momisugly Mario Lento — For laughing out loud, that was a FUNNY video!!!
I don’t know how S.M. could agree or disagree — pick a side of the mouth the guy’s talking out of, I guess.
Remark edited off the end (I found it….. somewhere, heh):
“So, I know I can count on your vote next November.”
(on your lunch break? Have a good one! #(:))
I applaud BEST for transparency, but they ultimately do the same thing NASA, CRU and the rest do…alter measured temperatures.
I have looked extensively at local temperature series. The raw plots are given but are then altered to match some mythical regional trend. If none of the local stations show that trend, then from where does it come?
From the looks of the poster, the United States is on fire, man!
I love the term homogenized. Just like milk, they remove all the good stuff so whatever is left over will last forever.
I have to watch my blood pressure whenever I see “adjustments.” Dedicated people trudging out to a thermometer unceasingly for years back in the 1930s. What would they think if they knew 80 years after their painstaking observations trying to eek out the last 0.1° F from the instruments that people would be adjusting their numbers by several degrees?
What about their blood pressure if they heard any of the excuses? “Yes, you measured a high of 92° but because of urban heat island effects in the 2010s what you really saw was 89°. Trust us.”
Look forward to hearing how it matches up to USCRN.
These three musketeers are going to save the world from us.
Damn Steve! You are getting old! 😉
“… the United States is on fire, man!” (Mike Mangan at 10:20am today)
Lol, yes, indeed. BUT, that was the “Before” panel of graphics.
The “After” (the day after the day after…) panel is: All the warming went north! (note the two hockey sticks in our little graphs above; that means all of Canada is up — in flames) — THE ENTIRE NORTHERN HEMISPHERE (and especially the Arctic where no one goes much) IS BURNING UP! SEND M-O-N-E-Y NNNOOOOOWWWW!
Sure, this is the message of that poster from 10 feet. How much closer do you think most people will come to it (except to turn their backs on it for a photo op)? Just more propaganda.
I thought blue was officially banned as a thematic color anyway. It sounds like New Improved Best, as in marketing hype.
If biologists would present to us a homogenized fossil record, we know that they have done something with the data. In that case it is not a data set.
Zeke is like, “Why do I always have to get the coffee?”
Oh, so the wonderful Steve M. is ON THE DOLE.
For pity’s sake, is the man’s name “Rhode” or “Rohde”? I see alternating spellings all the time, and I’m pretty sure it must be one or the other!
Mosher is OK, one day he’ll leave the CO2 presumption behind and get on to natural variability; when he does I got the data waiting.
@ur momisugly Frank Kotler — Well, I have never heard of him, so I just Bing’d his name and if he’s the guy connected with Berkeley Earth, it is Rohde.
Mike Mangan says:
December 12, 2013 at 10:20 am
“From the looks of the poster, the United States is on fire, man!”
_____________________
Yes, on fire. Here in the center of the nation, Oklahomans awoke to an egg- frying 18F this morning.
Lest folks forget, here is the BEST graph — before and after “adjustments”.
It seems that BEST has followed the lead of Mann’s Hokey Stick chart.
dbstealey says:
December 12, 2013 at 11:50 am
Lest folks forget, here is the BEST graph — before and after “adjustments”.
It seems that BEST has followed the lead of Mann’s Hokey Stick chart.
+++++++++
Where’s the source of this data that created the graph? I’d like to learn more about what BEST recent says about AGW, warming cooling etc. It seems Steven Mosher does not believe we are headed for doom
James Allison says:
December 12, 2013 at 10:43 am
These three musketeers are going to save the world from us.
_________________________
Swashbuckling fashionistas…
Steven Mosher is actually a real person!
Wow.
There are no adjustments.
There is the raw data if you like crap.
There is qc data
There is breakpoint data.
Then there is the estimated field.
We dont adjust data. We identify breakpoints and slice.
Then we estimate a field.
Steven Mosher, you do not agree with Rohdes in this video, do you? All and all I’m unclear on your thoughts on CO2 and whether it’s the culprit for the warming.
Rob Dawg says:
December 12, 2013 at 10:30 am
“I have to watch my blood pressure whenever I see “adjustments.” Dedicated people trudging out to a thermometer unceasingly for years back in the 1930s. What would they think if they knew 80 years after their painstaking observations trying to eek out the last 0.1° F from the instruments that people would be adjusting their numbers by several degrees?
Exactly. I was looking into BE to see what they’ve done with one very long record from the Prague Klementinum (uninterrupted since 1775) at BE – which already in the past was absolutely raped and merged with another record from Prague Ruzyne airport by the GISS – even the original record is kept uninterrupted untill very present.
And what do you think?
It was raped even more by the BE and merged with yet another record from Prague-Libus station.
In fact there doesn’t exist any record neither for Prague-Ruzyne, nor Prague-Libus before 1950, yet BerkeleyEarth has it back to 1700s.
Magicians…
What is really funny: the adjustments made to the Prague-Klementinum (made in the past already by the GISS -clearly to get rid of the hot decade 1790-1799) are quite very different than the adjustments done with the Prague-Klementinum+Prague-Ruzyne/Prague-Libus record (just compare this and this(the “PRAHA/RUZYNE U/A TO LIBUS11520” before 1950 it is the Klementinum record – just in the BE they don’t know…).
Which somehow seems to well show what a guessjob is all this.
If they do everything like treating the most valuable historic records their credibility in my opinion tends to simmilar level as that of GISS, moreover they have land only, which is quite unsufficient for global climatology for a planet where more than 2/3rd of the surface is covered by the ocean…
“We don’t adjust data. … we estimate … .” (S. M0sh-er <– to avoid moderation)
Oh.
@ur momisugly Mario Lento — For laughing out loud, that was a FUNNY video!!!
I don’t know how S.M. could agree or disagree — pick a side of the mouth the guy’s talking out of, I guess.
Remark edited off the end (I found it….. somewhere, heh):
“So, I know I can count on your vote next November.”
(on your lunch break? Have a good one! #(:))