Schellnhuber hits the wall of reality: full stop

Pierre Gosselin writes:

Europe Climate Policy Blows Engine…”Giant Failure” … Scientists “Failed Tricking Their Way Past Democracy” …”Mood Of Resignation”

Good news!

This is about one of the most damning pieces on the European climate movement I’ve read all year. An atmosphere of resignation is truly sweeping through Germany’s climate movement. Flagship media are waking up.

We’re winning!

“Failed tricking their way past democracy”

Germany’s equivalent of the Washington Post, the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ) has written a blistering criticism of Hans Schellnhuber’s WBGU and activists’ efforts to impose a green authoritarian society on the rest of the world. They overshot and missed the curve. The FAZ introduction reads:

The rescue of the planet gets cancelled. The climate advisory council to the government played high stakes poker. And lost. They failed at tricking their way past democracy.”

In the eyes of one Germany’s leading flagship national dailies, the renowned Frankfurter Allgemenine Zeitung, the attempted green coup led by a small group of elite scientists and a mass of activists has come to grinding halt.

– See more at: http://notrickszone.com/2013/11/30/europe-climate-policy-blows-engine-huge-failure-scientists-failed-tricking-their-way-past-democracy-mood-of-resignation/#sthash.pULr2101.dpuf

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Dodgy Geezer

“Good news!”
Surely it should be:
“Good news, everybody!” ?

michael hart

“In a nutshell, it would keep making the lives of dissenters miserable until they learned to choose correctly.
However, the FAZ shows this is a lot easier said than done, citing the German Green Party’s recent national election campaign where they demanded one Veggie Day a week be imposed in Germany.”

Remarkable.

Loghin

I think we should stop using the term “scientist” for all reports. Academics is a more general term and would better describe the population. Among the researchers some do empirical research while others do literature reviews. Scientist is just a “loaded word” for a conversation to convey authority to the persons cited.

GlynnMhor

One veggie day a week? Like Catholics and fish Fridays?
Keinen Schnitzel mehr zu essen?

Dodgy Geezer

The FAZ writes that one of the fundamental aims of the WBGU was changing Germany’s constitutional law: climate protection was to become an official state priority and that going green was “as morally imperative as the abolition of slavery“. More importantly, the “transformation to a climate-protective society would have to happen very rapidly“. Dissenters would be marginalized and stigmatized, and so denied real participation. Though highly controversial, the WBGU never backed down from this radical proposal, always insisting that the fate of the planet was in imminent peril, that there could be neither compromise nor delay, and that time was of the essence and the science was unanimous. The WBGU even called it a test for democracy, claiming that if society failed to act, it would show that democracy was no longer capable of functioning in the face of crisis….
Alas, the Anglo-Saxon races seem particularly prone to this kind of problem…

normalnew

“They failed at tricking their way past democracy.”
hah!

Bloke down the pub

You can fool all of the people some of the time, at least up until the point that they realise they are being hit in the pocket.

It is still only a criticism of the tactics, it is not questioning the orthodoxy of Warmingology.

Jimbo

“Failed tricking their way past democracy”

It’s all for the good of the unwashed masses. Noble (Nobel?) cause corruption. 😉

From the link:

One journalist once summarized: The WBGU is in favor of democracy, but only so long as the people make the right decisions.

Translation: Either you agree with us or you are wrong. And since you are wrong, your viewpoint is not worth anything and thus should be ignored or actively silenced.
Why are those who preach tolerance the most intolerant of all?

Kev-in-Uk

more like they failed to hide Mother Nature? (despite all those adjustments?)

dp

Hopefully arrests will follow, and there will be a global round-up of climate miscreants and scammers.

Dodgy Geezer says:
November 30, 2013 at 10:40 am
“Good news!”
Surely it should be:
“Good news, everybody!”
=====================================
Thank you, Dr. Nick !!

It is good news.
My perspective from the US is that the equivalent of the WGBU here is already employed in the EPA and White House. And evidence shows that they don’t care what our Constitution says.

Dodgy Geezer says November 30, 2013 at 10:45 am

Alas, the Anglo-Saxon races seem particularly prone to this kind of problem…

I think the road to the ‘seizure of power’ takes a lot of different avenues, anywhere. Some are just more organized that others (depending on how ‘advanced’ a society is).
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Rob Ricket

In the land of sausages and beer, “Veggie Day” was that final straw! A sad tale of would be supermen attempting to attain “Guardian” status in a Neo-Platonic Republic, where some pigs are more equal than others.
Fascism or just plain old green pork?

GlynnMhor says November 30, 2013 at 10:45 am
One veggie day a week? Like Catholics and fish Fridays?

“Meatless” Fridays; and it’s more than that fish just happen to be there and convenient. There is no prohibition on use of meat ‘byproducts’ though like butter or eggs either. Rather, it’s a ‘penance’ thing.

What’s given up isn’t technically “meat” but the Latin “caro,” which means “flesh.” This is why fish is allowed: their meat isn’t considered “flesh.”

ref
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Berényi Péter

OMG. Each German I have met was such a nice guy, still, they are trying to take over the world third time in a century, in vain &. collective madness. What’s wrong with Germans?
Mind you, even if the somewhat ridiculous Beer Hall Putsch was a complete failure, in ten more years they have tricked their way past democracy indeed. The end result is known.
Therefore we are not finished yet with this current mob.

Iggy Slanter

We want our money back! We want our money back!
C’mon everyone, you know the words!

Iggy Slanter

But I have to disagree about not being able to trick their way past democracy. It would be more accurate to say they were not able to to trick their way past people with the courage of their convictions to stand up to the tsunami of scam. People that have had Anthony Watt as a leader. Thank you.

lemiere jacques

Did anybody doubt that, climate catastrophe or no,t people would not accept to become poor?
As long climate policy was words it was ok, but when you receive your first energy bill that s another story.

Berényi Péter says November 30, 2013 at 11:42 am

Therefore we are not finished yet with this current mob.

They will be ‘flushed’ into yet a different racket probably … the greens/the green mindset that is … and take that, as well, to an extrema.
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Jim Cripwell

Penny Robinson Fan Club, you write “It is still only a criticism of the tactics, it is not questioning the orthodoxy of Warmingology.”
You are correct, but maybe this could be just the first step in a two step process. First get the MSM to make the public realise what a huge cost is being paid to get to the “green utopia”. Then when this sinks in, maybe there will be a politician who matters, and who will realise that telling the pubic that the “green utopia” is not necessary, could be a vote winner.
There is always hope.

Richard111

They failed because Solar Cycle 24 did not meet predictions.
Can you imagine where the world would be if SC24 had equalled the activity of SC23?

Stephen Brown

Oooops! Another couple of wheels just fell off the CAGW bandwagon.

Chris B

GlynnMhor says:
November 30, 2013 at 10:45 am
One veggie day a week? Like Catholics and fish Fridays?
Keinen Schnitzel mehr zu essen?
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Should be, “no fossil fuel”, day of the week, since it used to be no meat on Fridays, rather than, “fish Fridays”.

Bruce Cobb

I think I hear it – yes, offstage somewhere, the fat lady is warming up her pipes. Won’t be long now.

Mycroft

“”But the WBGU was not at all impressed by the public’s rejection. The FAZ writes that one WBGU scientist brushed the rejection aside, claiming the question should not have been posed in the first place and that cafeterias should just implement Veggie Day without even asking. “Just do it, and don’t vote on it,” ”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Wow!! I thought we defeated National Socialism in WW2?
Seem some members of the WGBU have been reading Mien Kampf a little too much!

Retired Engineer

Maybe. The Left never gives up. A setback, perhaps, but nothing total.
When “electricity rates skyrocket”, we may see a similar setback on this side of the pond.
Freedom is not free. Eternal vigilance required.

Gary Pearse

Note WUWT’s trolls are absent from this type of thread. The malaise, grief and depression isn’t just in Germany. Germany was just the first to get it. They seem to have fewer useful idiots than elsewhere. They began re-development of coal fired electrical generation and abandonment of green econocide ahead of the others and they had several MSM desertions long before the rest of the world’s press began to wake up.
The UK is next, despite the silliness of burning already sequestered carbon in the form of hardwood forests of North Carolina – even a green idjit knows that regeneration of forests is a lot slower than burning them and therefore it’s pretty much like burning coal in a time you are trying to reduce carbon (carbon and worse is generated in greater amount from less efficient wood than from coal – even not counting the carbon generation from cutting, handling, pelletizing, multimodal shipping and rehandling of the wood at the other end). Aren’t these forests also habitat being destroyed?
The US! What can I say? Obama’s admin seems to be pushing forward with the greatest of zeal at a time when the rest of the industrialized world is trying to figure out how to throw in the towel gracefully. Their “wailing and gnashing of teeth” is yet to come. Harper in Canada has persevered despite heavy fire from the EU, UN and the country’s uncommonly large contingent of useful idiots. Japan, too, ever pragmatic like the Germans, abandoned Kyoto, and of course Eastern Europe, who within this generation escaped from their own totalitarian “democracy by-pass” have been bastions of common sense on this new world order stuff.
So I hereby give my “Climate Thanks” to Germany, Oz for the instant turnaround that seems to be a catalyst for speeding the end, Canada, Japan and Eastern Europe. Of course, Africans didn’t have the green wool pulled over their eyes at all. They went for it because if idiots want to give them trillions, why not? China and India just went ahead with their development plans and their thanks but, no thanks. They deserve some thanks for being a stumbling block.

Penny Robinson Fan Club is right. It is not yet the Final Solution. It is still only criticism of their tactics. It is not questioning of the Catechism of Warmingology. We still have a way to go for the final surrender and cannot relax. However as Churchill said ‘It is perhaps the beginning of the End’. It is perhaps their Stalingrad. After this they have no more victories.

Gary

Mods –
Berényi Péter says November 30, 2013 at 11:42 am

Therefore we are not finished yet with this current mob
Are you looking at this? This is VERY political speech

Sweet Old Bob

Full Stop.
Next bell ,”BACK FULL”
Sure hope so.

r murphy

If a technically advanced nation like Germany fails at building a green economy what nation has a chance? The lesson to the left of course is that they must have absolute control, and history will repeat itself again.

Nick Stokes

“Germany’s equivalent of the Washington Post, the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ) has written a blistering criticism of Hans Schellnhuber’s WBGU “
No. The FAZ has published an opinion piece by Frederike Haupt. And the Washington Post has published an opinion piece by Michael Mann. So?

albertalad

I am not convinced Germany has or will see the light anytime soon. There are far too many so called “journalists” who have made their career on the AGW garbage. The AGW “scientists” if you will, would still be toiling away in obscurity if it was not for the usual idiots in the press. TV, newspaper, and other magazines are the real guilty culprits for this mass propaganda movement. They are criminally responsible for perpetrating this hoax. Governments make policy based on this garbage perpetrated by the press and the green industry working hand in hand. And when did any UN policy become the gold standard for any country that have their own so called checks and balances? Any semi-decent journalists should have checked their facts and never did – entire climate change policies decided by a select few made up of mostly “green” groups – any “journalists” or “editor” worth their salts should have flagged those reports as propaganda. Even now WUWT is under assault from the chosen few who specialize in the smear industry while pushing their AGW agenda. Where are the responsible journalists in North America today?

King of Cool

“Normally Monsieur Candie, I would say, auf wiedersehen. But since what auf wiedersehen actually means is, till I see you again, and since I never wish to see you again to you sir, I say:
Ein Glück, dass wir den los sind!”
(With apologies to Christoph Waltz and Quentin Terantino.
Oh, if only Quentin was a CAGW sceptic. In the biggest fraud ever perpetrated there is enough material, plots, scenes, scams, con men and a potential cast full of colourful characters to make a neo-noir satire that would leave Pulp Fiction, Kill Bill and Django Unchained in the shade. We can only dream.)

r murphy

Albertalad, i’m sure NA has many capable and responsible journalists that would love to expose the corruption of the UN and the eco movement. The problem is finding MSM whom are interested in publishing such revelations. the question is why?

michael hart

Is there anything the EPA could not classify as a pollutant via an “endangerment finding”?

Mycroft says:
November 30, 2013 at 12:36 pm
… Wow!! I thought we defeated National Socialism in WW2?
Seem some members of the WGBU have been reading Mien Kampf a little too much!

National Socialism was just the German brand for fascism. As Benito Mussolini pointed out, the term “corporatism” would be a good replacement for “fascism”. We fought the Germans, Italians, and Japanese in WWII, and not fascism since FDR loved fascism and practiced it as much as he could. Surely you don’t think the USA is a laissez-faire free market economy or anything close to that do you?
Fascism (or corporatism or crony-cap) won decisively during the war. It is just that some of the losers also practiced it. (and were more open about using the name)
Fascism is when the State completely controls the business sector via bureaucracy and regulation while allowing faux-ownership so as to give the illusion that ownership (real ownership, i.e. control) remains in private hands.
The greens want to control all business to force them to follow their vision of the “way things should be”. Nothing is new here — pressure groups use the State to seek to control that which is not theirs to control.

Richard of NZ

Gary says:
November 30, 2013 at 1:59 pm
Mods –
Berényi Péter says November 30, 2013 at 11:42 am

Therefore we are not finished yet with this current mob.
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This is not political speech, but an example of “Strine”, or Australian vernacular. Translated it means that the extreme warmists (who in many cases were/are extreme anti-humanists) are still around and active.

J Martin

@ Nick Stokes. The important thing is, it got published. Previously it would not have been published. Things are changing, one day even the BBC might change.

clipe

Nick Stokes says:
November 30, 2013 at 2:08 pm
“Germany’s equivalent of the Washington Post, the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ) has written a blistering criticism of Hans Schellnhuber’s WBGU “
No. The FAZ has published an opinion piece by Frederike Haupt. And the Washington Post has published an opinion piece by Michael Mann. So?

Err… FAZ is talking about the Michael Manns of this world. You’re losing.

Sisi

*tired of Gosselin’s incessant hyperbole*

Bill Illis

One important facet of a highly functioning democracy and a growing economy is having the Green vote below 10%.

King of Cool says:
“Oh, if only Quentin was a CAGW sceptic. In the biggest fraud ever perpetrated there is enough material, plots, scenes, scams, con men and a potential cast full of colourful characters to make a neo-noir satire that would leave Pulp Fiction, Kill Bill and Django Unchained in the shade. We can only dream.)”
Yes, if only.
Here’s Tarantino’s great bar scene, where the SS officer notices the tell — the wrong 3 fingers are held up when ordering three glasses [Germans use the thumb and next 2 fingers].

Reblogged this on pdx transport and commented:
Finally Europe is starting to come back to reality.

Steve from Rockwood

When you take away a man’s sausage he has nothing.

geran

Nick Stokes says:
November 30, 2013 at 2:08 pm
“Germany’s equivalent of the Washington Post, the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ) has written a blistering criticism of Hans Schellnhuber’s WBGU “
No. The FAZ has published an opinion piece by Frederike Haupt. And the Washington Post has published an opinion piece by Michael Mann. So?
>>>>>>
Nick, your last name begins with the letter “S”. And the word “stupid” begins with the letter “s”. So?

Dodgy Geezer

@Alex Wade
…Why are those who preach tolerance the most intolerant of all?…
I think I can best answer that by quoting the immortal words of Monty Python:
“…Of course people accuse us sometimes of not practising what we preach, but you must remember that, if you’re trying to propagate a creed of poverty, gentleness and tolerance, you need a very rich, powerful, authoritarian organisation to do it….”
Eric Idle, as Vice-Pope Eric on the Python Panel sketch.