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Guest Post By Werner Brozek, Edited By Just The Facts, Update/Additional Explanatory Commentary from Nick Stokes
UPDATE: RSS for October has just come out and the value was 0.207. As a result, RSS has now reached the 204 month or 17 year mark. The slope over the last 17 years is -0.000122111 per year.
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The graphic above shows 5 lines. The long horizontal line shows that RSS is flat since November 1996 to September 2013, which is a period of 16 years and 11 months or 203 months. All three programs are unanimous on this point. The two lines that are sloped up and down and which are closer together include the error bars based on Nick Stokes’ Temperature Trend Viewer page. The two lines that are sloped up and down and which are further apart include the error bars based on SkS’s Temperature Trend Calculator. Nick Stokes’ program provides much tighter error bars and therefore his times for a 95% significance are less than that of SkS. In my previous post on August 25, I said: On six different data sets, there has been no statistically significant warming for between 18 and 23 years. That statement was based on the trend from the SkS page. However based on the trend from Nick Stokes’ page, there has been no statistically significant warming for between 16 and 20 years on several different data sets. In this post, I have used Nick Stokes’ numbers in section 2 as well as row 8 of the table below. Please let us know what you think of this change. I have asked that Nick Stokes join this thread to answer any questions pertaining to the different methods of calculating 95% significance and defend his chosen method. Nick’s trend methodology/page offers the numbers for Hadsst3 so I have also switched from Hadsst2 to Hadsst3. WFT offers numbers for Hadcrut3 but I can no longer offer error bars for that set since Nick’s program only does Hadcrut4.
In the future, I am not interested in using the trend methodology/page that offers the longest times. I am not interested in using trend methodology/page that offers the shortest times. And I am not interested in using trend methodology/page that offers the highest consensus. What I am interested in is using the trend methodology/page that offers that is the most accurate representation of Earth’s temperature trend. I thought it was SkS, but I may have been wrong. Please let us know in comments if you think that SkS or Nick Stokes’s methodology/page is more accurate, and if you can offer a more accurate one, please let us know that too.
According to NOAA’s State of the Climate In 2008 report:
The simulations rule out (at the 95% level) zero trends for intervals of 15 yr or more, suggesting that an observed absence of warming of this duration is needed to create a discrepancy with the expected present-day warming rate.
In this 2011 paper “Separating signal and noise in atmospheric temperature changes: The importance of timescale” Santer et al. found that:
Because of the pronounced effect of interannual noise on decadal trends, a multi-model ensemble of anthropogenically-forced simulations displays many 10-year periods with little warming. A single decade of observational TLT data is therefore inadequate for identifying a slowly evolving anthropogenic warming signal. Our results show that temperature records of at least 17 years in length are required for identifying human effects on global-mean tropospheric temperature.
In 2010 Phil Jones was asked by the BBC, “Do you agree that from 1995 to the present there has been no statistically-significant global warming?”, Phil Jones replied:
Yes, but only just. I also calculated the trend for the period 1995 to 2009. This trend (0.12C per decade) is positive, but not significant at the 95% significance level. The positive trend is quite close to the significance level. Achieving statistical significance in scientific terms is much more likely for longer periods, and much less likely for shorter periods.
I’ll leave it to you to draw your own conclusions based upon the data below.
Note: If you read my recent article RSS Flat For 200 Months (Now Includes July Data) and just wish to know what is new with the August and September data, you will find the most important new information from lines 7 to the end of the table. And as mentioned above, all lines for Hadsst3 are new.
In the sections below, we will present you with the latest facts. The information will be presented in three sections and an appendix. The first section will show for how long there has been no warming on several data sets. The second section will show for how long there has been no statistically significant warming on several data sets. The third section will show how 2013 to date compares with 2012 and the warmest years and months on record so far. The appendix will illustrate sections 1 and 2 in a different way. Graphs and a table will be used to illustrate the data.
Section 1
This analysis uses the latest month for which data is available on WoodForTrees.com (WFT). All of the data on WFT is also available at the specific sources as outlined below. We start with the present date and go to the furthest month in the past where the slope is a least slightly negative. So if the slope from September is 4 x 10^-4 but it is – 4 x 10^-4 from October, we give the time from October so no one can accuse us of being less than honest if we say the slope is flat from a certain month.
On all data sets below, the different times for a slope that is at least very slightly negative ranges from 8 years and 9 months to 16 years and 11 months.
1. For GISS, the slope is flat since September 1, 2001 or 12 years, 1 month. (goes to September 30, 2013)
2. For Hadcrut3, the slope is flat since May 1997 or 16 years, 5 months. (goes to September)
3. For a combination of GISS, Hadcrut3, UAH and RSS, the slope is flat since December 2000 or 12 years, 10 months. (goes to September)
4. For Hadcrut4, the slope is flat since December 2000 or 12 years, 10 months. (goes to September)
5. For Hadsst3, the slope is flat since November 2000 or 12 years, 11 months. (goes to September)
6. For UAH, the slope is flat since January 2005 or 8 years, 9 months. (goes to September using version 5.5)
7. For RSS, the slope is flat since November 1996 or 17 years (goes to October)
RSS is 203/204 or 99.5% of the way to Ben Santer’s 17 years.
The next link shows just the lines to illustrate the above for what can be shown. Think of it as a sideways bar graph where the lengths of the lines indicate the relative times where the slope is 0. In addition, the sloped wiggly line shows how CO2 has increased over this period.

When two things are plotted as I have done, the left only shows a temperature anomaly.
The actual numbers are meaningless since all slopes are essentially zero and the position of each line is merely a reflection of the base period from which anomalies are taken for each set. No numbers are given for CO2. Some have asked that the log of the concentration of CO2 be plotted. However WFT does not give this option. The upward sloping CO2 line only shows that while CO2 has been going up over the last 17 years, the temperatures have been flat for varying periods on various data sets.
The next graph shows the above, but this time, the actual plotted points are shown along with the slope lines and the CO2 is omitted:

Section 2
For this analysis, data was retrieved from Nick Stokes moyhu.blogspot.com. This analysis indicates for how long there has not been statistically significant warming according to Nick’s criteria. Data go to their latest update for each set. In every case, note that the lower error bar is negative so a slope of 0 cannot be ruled out from the month indicated.
On several different data sets, there has been no statistically significant warming for between 16 and 20 years.
The details for several sets are below.
For UAH: Since November 1995: CI from -0.001 to 2.501
For RSS: Since December 1992: CI from -0.005 to 1.968
For Hadcrut4: Since August 1996: CI from -0.006 to 1.358
For Hadsst3: Since May 1993: CI from -0.002 to 1.768
For GISS: Since August 1997: CI from -0.030 to 1.326
Section 3
This section shows data about 2013 and other information in the form of a table. The table shows the six data sources along the top and other places so they should be visible at all times. The sources are UAH, RSS, Hadcrut4, Hadcrut3, Hadsst3, and GISS. Down the column, are the following:
1. 12ra: This is the final ranking for 2012 on each data set.
2. 12a: Here I give the average anomaly for 2012.
3. year: This indicates the warmest year on record so far for that particular data set. Note that two of the data sets have 2010 as the warmest year and four have 1998 as the warmest year.
4. ano: This is the average of the monthly anomalies of the warmest year just above.
5. mon: This is the month where that particular data set showed the highest anomaly. The months are identified by the first three letters of the month and the last two numbers of the year.
6. ano: This is the anomaly of the month just above.
7. y/m: This is the longest period of time where the slope is not positive given in years/months. So 16/2 means that for 16 years and 2 months the slope is essentially 0.
8. sig: This the first month for which warming is not statistically significant according to Nick’s criteria. The first three letters of the month is followed by the last two numbers of the year.
9. Jan: This is the January, 2013, anomaly for that particular data set.
10. Feb: This is the February, 2013, anomaly for that particular data set, etc.
21. ave: This is the average anomaly of all months to date taken by adding all numbers and dividing by the number of months. However if the data set itself gives that average, I may use their number. Sometimes the number in the third decimal place differs by one, presumably due to all months not having the same number of days.
22. rnk: This is the rank that each particular data set would have if the anomaly above were to remain that way for the rest of the year. It may not, but think of it as an update 45 minutes into a game. Due to different base periods, the rank is more meaningful than the average anomaly.
| Source | UAH | RSS | Had4 | Had3 | Sst3 | GISS |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1. 12ra | 9th | 11th | 9th | 10th | 9th | 9th |
| 2. 12a | 0.161 | 0.192 | 0.448 | 0.406 | 0.346 | 0.58 |
| 3. year | 1998 | 1998 | 2010 | 1998 | 1998 | 2010 |
| 4. ano | 0.419 | 0.55 | 0.547 | 0.548 | 0.416 | 0.67 |
| 5. mon | Apr98 | Apr98 | Jan07 | Feb98 | Jul98 | Jan07 |
| 6. ano | 0.66 | 0.857 | 0.829 | 0.756 | 0.526 | 0.94 |
| 7. y/m | 8/9 | 16/11 | 12/10 | 16/5 | 12/11 | 12/1 |
| 8. sig | Nov95 | Dec92 | Aug96 | May93 | Aug97 | |
| Source | UAH | RSS | Had4 | Had3 | Sst3 | GISS |
| 9. Jan | 0.504 | 0.440 | 0.450 | 0.390 | 0.292 | 0.63 |
| 10.Feb | 0.175 | 0.194 | 0.479 | 0.424 | 0.309 | 0.51 |
| 11.Mar | 0.183 | 0.204 | 0.405 | 0.384 | 0.287 | 0.60 |
| 12.Apr | 0.103 | 0.218 | 0.427 | 0.400 | 0.364 | 0.48 |
| 13.May | 0.077 | 0.139 | 0.498 | 0.472 | 0.382 | 0.57 |
| 14.Jun | 0.269 | 0.291 | 0.457 | 0.426 | 0.314 | 0.61 |
| 15.Jul | 0.118 | 0.222 | 0.514 | 0.488 | 0.479 | 0.54 |
| 16.Aug | 0.122 | 0.167 | 0.527 | 0.491 | 0.483 | 0.61 |
| 17.Sep | 0.297 | 0.257 | 0.534 | 0.516 | 0.455 | 0.74 |
| Source | UAH | RSS | Had4 | Had3 | Sst3 | GISS |
| 21.ave | 0.205 | 0.237 | 0.474 | 0.444 | 0.374 | 0.588 |
| 22.rnk | 6th | 8th | 9th | 7th | 6th | 9th |
If you wish to verify all of the latest anomalies, go to the following links, For UAH, version 5.5 was used since that is what WFT used, RSS, Hadcrut4, Hadcrut3, Hadsst3,and GISS
To see all points since January 2013 in the form of a graph, see the WFT graph below:

Appendix
In this section, we summarize data for each set separately.
RSS
The slope is flat since November 1996 or 16 years and 11 months. (goes to September) RSS is 203/204 or 99.5% of the way to Ben Santer’s 17 years.
For RSS: There is no statistically significant warming since December 1992: CI from -0.005 to 1.968
The RSS average anomaly so far for 2013 is 0.237. This would rank 8th if it stayed this way. 1998 was the warmest at 0.55. The highest ever monthly anomaly was in April of 1998 when it reached 0.857. The anomaly in 2012 was 0.192 and it came in 11th.
UAH
The slope is flat since January 2005 or 8 years, 9 months. (goes to September using version 5.5)
For UAH: There is no statistically significant warming since November 1995: CI from -0.001 to 2.501
The UAH average anomaly so far for 2013 is 0.205. This would rank 6th if it stayed this way. 1998 was the warmest at 0.419. The highest ever monthly anomaly was in April of 1998 when it reached 0.66. The anomaly in 2012 was 0.161 and it came in 9th.
Hadcrut4
The slope is flat since December 2000 or 12 years, 10 months. (goes to September)
For HadCRUT4: There is no statistically significant warming since August 1996: CI from -0.006 to 1.358
The Hadcrut4 average anomaly so far for 2013 is 0.474. This would rank 9th if it stayed this way. 2010 was the warmest at 0.547. The highest ever monthly anomaly was in January of 2007 when it reached 0.829. The anomaly in 2012 was 0.448 and it came in 9th.
Hadcrut3
The slope is flat since May 1997 or 16 years, 5 months (goes to September, 2013)
The Hadcrut3 average anomaly so far for 2013 is 0.444. This would rank 7th if it stayed this way. 1998 was the warmest at 0.548. The highest ever monthly anomaly was in February of 1998 when it reached 0.756. One has to go back to the 1940s to find the previous time that a Hadcrut3 record was not beaten in 10 years or less. The anomaly in 2012 was 0.406 and it came in 10th.
Hadsst3
For Hadsst3, the slope is flat since November 2000 or 12 years, 11 months. (goes to September, 2013).
For Hadsst3: There is no statistically significant warming since May 1993: CI from -0.002 to 1.768
The Hadsst3 average anomaly so far for 2013 is 0.374. This would rank 6th if it stayed this way. 1998 was the warmest at 0.416. The highest ever monthly anomaly was in July of 1998 when it reached 0.526. The anomaly in 2012 was 0.346 and it came in 9th.
GISS
The slope is flat since September 1, 2001 or 12 years, 1 month. (goes to September 30, 2013)
For GISS: There is no statistically significant warming since August 1997: CI from -0.030 to 1.326
The GISS average anomaly so far for 2013 is 0.588. This would rank 9th if it stayed this way. 2010 was the warmest at 0.67. The highest ever monthly anomaly was in January of 2007 when it reached 0.94. The anomaly in 2012 was 0.58 and it came in 9th.
Conclusion
It appears as if we can accurately say from what point in time the slope is zero or any other value. However the period where warming is statistically significant seems to be more of a challenge. Different programs give different results. However what I found really surprising was that according to Nick’s program, GISS shows significant warming at over 95% for the months of November 1996 to July 1997 inclusive. However during those nine months, the slope for RSS is not even positive! Can we trust both data sets?
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Update: Additional Explanatory Commentary from Nick Stokes
Trends and errors:
A trend coefficient is just a weighted average of a time series, which describes the rate of increase. You can calculate it without any particular statistical model in mind.
If you want to quantify the uncertainty you have about it, you need to be clear what kind of variations you have in mind. You might want to describe the uncertainty of actual measurement. You might want to quantify the spatial variability. Or you might want to say how typical that trend is given time variability. In other words, what if the weather had been different?
It’s that last variability that we’re talking about here, and we need a model for the variation. In all kinds of time series analysis, ARIMA models are a staple. No-one seriously believes that their data really is a linear trend with AR(1) fluctuations, or whatever, but you try to get the nearest fitting model to estimate the trend uncertainty.
In my trend viewer, I used AR(1). It’s conventional, because it allows for autocorrelating based on a single delay coefficient, and there is a widely used approximation (Quenouille). I’ve described here how you can plot the autocorrelation function to show what is being fitted. The uncertainty of the trend is proportional to the area under the fitted ACF. Foster and Rahmstorf argued, reasonably, that the AR(1) underfits, and a ARMA(1,1) approx does better. Here is an example from my post. SkS uses that approach, following F&R.
You can see from the ACF that it’s really more complicated, The real ACF does not taper exponentially – it oscillates, with a period of about 4 years – likely ENSO related. Some of that effect reaches back near zero, where the ARIMA fitting is done. If it is taken out, the peak would be more slender that AR(1). But there is uncertainty with ENSO too.
So the message is, trend uncertainty is complicated.
3 Nov: UK Daily Mail: David Rose: Global warming ‘pause’ may last for 20 more years and Arctic sea ice has already started to recover
Study says warmer temperatures are largely due to natural 300-year cycles
Actual increase in last 17 years lower than almost every prediction
Scientists likened continuing pause to a Mexican wave in a stadium
Even IPCC report co-authors such as Dr Hawkins admit some of the models are ‘too hot’.
He said: ‘The upper end of the latest climate model projections is inconsistent’ with observed temperatures, though he added even the lower predictions could have ‘negative impacts’ if true.
But if the pause lasted another ten years, and there were no large volcanic eruptions, ‘then global surface temperatures would be outside the IPCC’s indicative likely range’.
Professor Curry went much further. ‘The growing divergence between climate model simulations and observations raises the prospect that climate models are inadequate in fundamental ways,’ she said.
If the pause continued, this would suggest that the models were not ‘fit for purpose’.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2485772/Global-warming-pause-20-years-Arctic-sea-ice-started-recover.html
Leonard Weinstein writes “….the large human warming effect, or the variation could be totally natural dominated variation. Playing statistics games on such processes is truly just a game, with no meaning. At this point we do not know what is going on or which way the trend will go from here, and to say otherwise is hubris.”
Leonard, given your unquestioned adoption of “the large human warming effect” an effect that is derived from a statistical treatment of data, what does this say about your own hubris?
Why do people assume that there has been a large human warming effect when, despite billions of dollars of research, nobody has been able to definitively show that “human” has anything to do with the subject; or that GHG are linked, by an accepted mathematical equation, to deltaT in the atmosphere, however computed.
Two of the pillars of AGW have crumbled, but people are too ready to look the other way.
We have already passed the 15 year mark and looks like we will pass the 17 year mark. Do you think the IPCC is paying attention?
15 to 17 years
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When is the referee going to blow the full time whistle? When is the fat lady going to sing her lungs out? The climate models have failed.
Nick Stokes says:
November 3, 2013 at 4:30 pm
“It doesn’t need to perfectly predict how your journey will go, but it needs to give average variation.”
Then after 6 months of commute and not getting to work reliably the responsible employee ditches the model and starts using actual observational data.
Geoff Sherrington says:
November 3, 2013 at 4:52 pm
“Why do people assume that there has been a large human warming effect when, despite billions of dollars of research, nobody has been able to definitively show that “human” has anything to do with the subject; or that GHG are linked, by an accepted mathematical equation, to deltaT in the atmosphere, however computed.
Two of the pillars of AGW have crumbled, but people are too ready to look the other way.”
>>>>>>>>>>
Why can’t I state the facts so succinctly?
Is Dr. Phil Jones getting worried now. It’s all happening right now for ya.
“jeanparisot says:
November 3, 2013 at 4:12 pm
Does anyone know what is the legal status of land claimed by glacial advance, during the
glaciation and after the retreat?”
I suspect they freeze all the assets of everyone involved in the transaction….
“Green Sand says: November 3, 2013 at 4:58 pm
“the responsible employee ditches the model and starts using actual observational data.”
No, there’s always a model based on observations – AR(1) etc is just fancier. But when you say – 20 mins average but allow an extra 10 for traffic – that’s a model based on observation. 10 mins will get you there with 95% probability or whatever. It’s never certain. But you need some plan.
I have a visceral problem with the first graph.
How can you show uncertainty of slope (dy/dx) all eminateing from a certain point (1997, 0.235)?
Uncertainty of slope comes with uncerainty of intercept.
So the 5 lines ought to look more like a horizontal hour glass than a fan.
I see. So that “alow 10 extra minutes”, just in case, so you will be 95% sure to never understate the time and be late is like the positive adjustments to the temperature records when they are homogenized, the stations sliced, diced and excluded to produce “the product”. 😉
We all know that CO2, other items being constant, will reflect a certain band of radiation back to earth. The results should be an increase in temperature.
However, climate is chaotic. And it most certainly appears that temperatures want to remain within certain parameters, even in that chaotic existense.
What the “pause” is trying to show us is that we don’t understand the complexity of climate. A slight change in AH can do more in regards to temperatures than a large change in CO2.
In the past, CO2 has been a lagging indicator. The behavior of temperatures during the Holocene seems to confirm that CO2 will continue to be a lagging indicator, not a driver in any shape, fashion or form.
wayne says:
November 3, 2013 at 5:28 pm
I see. So that “alow 10 extra minutes”, just in case, so you will be 95% sure to never understate the time and be late is like the positive adjustments to the temperature records when they are homogenized, the stations sliced, diced and excluded to produce “the product”. 😉
With a gallon of tequila, wayne and I would be the life of the party….
(Or, translating for wayne, wihteoh thgall on tesyksia wanisn and i oule be the lifffr of the preth)
Stephen Rasey says:
November 3, 2013 at 5:16 pm
I have a visceral problem with the first graph.
How can you show uncertainty of slope (dy/dx) all eminateing from a certain point (1997, 0.235)?
It is from 1996.83 that the slope is 0, so that explains the flat line. According to Nick’s program, the error bars from November 1996 for RSS are “CI from -1.274 to 1.264”. This is per century, so it would be from -0.01274 to +0.01264 per year. So over a period of 16.92 years, the error bar goes to about +/- 16.9 x 0.01274 = 0.215. So I plotted the straight line from November 1996 and then detrended it +0.215 one time and -0.215 the next time. Then I did something similar with the SkS numbers except the numbers there were 0.345 instead of 0.215.
If I did this wrong, please correct me Nick. Thanks!
no pause in Hansen’s nuclear advocacy:
3 Nov: CNN: Top climate change scientists’ letter to policy influencers
Editor’s note: Climate and energy scientists James Hansen, Ken Caldeira, Kerry Emanuel and Tom Wigley released an open letter Sunday calling on world leaders to support development of safer nuclear power systems. For more on the future of nuclear power as a possible solution for global climate change, watch CNN Films’ presentation of “Pandora’s Promise,” Thursday, November 7, at 9 p.m. ET/PT…
http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/03/world/nuclear-energy-climate-change-scientists-letter/
***LOL:
3 Nov: CNN: Thom Patterson: Climate change warriors: It’s time to go nuclear
Cavanagh (Ralph Cavanagh of the Natural Resources Defense Council) said the “movie (Pandora’s Promise) attempts to establish the proposition that mainstream environmentalists are pouring into nuclear advocacy today. They aren’t. I’ve been in the NRDC since 1979. I have a pretty good idea of where the mainstream environmental groups are and have been. I’ve seen no movement.”
***Selling nuclear energy to environmentalists is a tough pitch. Hansen acknowledged that many of them won’t easily buy into it. Parts of the community operate like “a religion of sorts, which makes it very difficult,” Hansen said. “They’re not all objectively looking at the pros and cons.”…
http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/03/world/nuclear-energy-climate-change-scientists/index.html
no doubt some will welcome this…but not me.
3 Nov: NYT Dot Earth: Andrew C. Revkin: ‘To Those Influencing Environmental Policy But Opposed to Nuclear Power’
Four climate scientists, three of whom have published in peer-reviewed literature on energy issues (a sampler from Wigley, Hansen and Caldeira), are pressing the case for environmental groups to embrace the need for a new generation of nuclear power plants in a letter they distributed overnight to a variety of organizations and journalists.
Amory Lovins, Joe Romm and Mark Jacobson would disagree, I’d bet. I certainly know many other energy and climate analysts who would sign on in a heartbeat, including the physics Nobel laureate Burt Richter and Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz…
There’s more from Caldeira in a recorded video chat we had awhile back…VIDEO
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/11/03/to-those-influencing-environmental-policy-but-opposed-to-nuclear-power/?_r=0
Camburn says:
“We all know that CO2, other items being constant, will reflect a certain band of radiation back to earth. The results should be an increase in temperature.”
Let’s combine the charts in this excellent article, and see if your conjecture pans out.
As we see, there is something wrong. Werner Brozek says:
“I believe we have peaked the top of the cycle and are headed down.”
That does seem to be the case, as we see here.
Kudos to Werner for inviting Nick Stokes to be part of the discussion. That is something we don’t see in the alarmist blogosphere.
1 Nov: UK Daily Mail: Hannah Roberts in Rome: Toxic nuclear waste dumped illegally by the Mafia is blamed for surge in cancers in southern Italy
Italian Senate investigating link between pollutants and 50 per cent rise
Classified documents from 1997 reveal poison would kill everyone
Nuclear sludge, brought from Germany, was dumped in landfills
The Italian Senate is investigating a link between buried pollutants and a rise of almost 50 per cent in tumours found in the inhabitants of several towns around Naples.
In classified documents from 1997, only now released to the public, a mafia kingpin warned authorities that the poison in the ground would kill everyone ‘within two decades’.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2483484/Toxic-nuclear-waste-dumped-illegally-Mafia-blamed-surge-cancers-southern-Italy.html#ixzz2jQTNprrW
Nick: “And it mostly works.”
==
and you mostly know why…
In this case…if the temps go down….no one has a clue why
..and if temps go up….no one has a clue why
Face it people, they’ve been flat out lying for 15 years…and they are lying now
1 Nov: A Statement from U.S. Secretary of Energy Ernest Moniz Regarding Fukushima
“On Friday, I made my first visit to the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station. It is stunning that one can see firsthand the destructive force of the tsunami even more than two and a half years after the tragic events”…
“They (TEPCO) face a daunting task in the cleanup and decommissioning of Fukushima Daiichi, one that will take decades and is being carried out under very challenging conditions.”…
http://energy.gov/articles/statement-us-secretary-energy-ernest-moniz-regarding-fukushima
Werner Brozek says: November 3, 2013 at 5:51 pm
“Then I did something similar with the SkS numbers except the numbers there were 0.345 instead of 0.215.
If I did this wrong, please correct me Nick. Thanks!”
I think it’s right if you just focus on the slope – it’s not attempting different line fits. And it shows just how such a slope extreme would look on the graph.
I have said in the past, though, that this testing of zero slope for significance is the wrong way around. That applies to the general narrative of x years of no significant warming. I’ve posted about it here. A stat test succeeds if it rejects the null hypothesis. If it doesn’t, there’s not much to be concluded. It could be noise, just a weak test, or the null could be true. So the logical thing is to do as Lucia does – test a predicted non-zero trend as null.
It’s likely symmetric, so there this diagram says 0.344 slope is the limit for the zero-slope null, so zero is likely to be about the limit for a 0.345 null. So you could say that a trend of 0.345 °C/dec was rejected, FWIW. But it would be better to do that test directly.
Nick Stokes: “10 mins will get you there with 95% probability or whatever. It’s never certain. But you need some plan.”
This was an almost reasonable statement. But if 20 min, is your average, then it would be ‘plus or minus’ 10 minutes would be the estimate of 95%. Which is what you do when you’re interested in modelling a problem. When you’re interested in betting on a problem then you take only the one of +10 or -10, just to see what you should set your betting odds at.
Which is all terribly misplaced, since it presumes that: a) We are using the historical data. b) That the choice of which tail to bet off of, for safety/policy reasons is obvious or well settled.
But then we are quite strictly not using historical averages. Just short term and recent trends. And, of course, while we’re all interested in avoiding ice ages — tend to be terribly for biodiversty — we’re betting the other tail in that we might be greater biodiversity. So we’re not doing it right, and we’re betting in against the bet that is a net ‘win’ in terms of human and environmental interests.
Nick Stokes says: “Well, it’s 97% certain :). ”
Nice:))
CNXTim says:
November 3, 2013 at 2:23 pm
Apologies to Paul McCartney…
Sir Paul has imbibed the Warmista Elixir, unfortunately. You won’t catch him modifying his lyrics, I’m afraid. Yet another in the long line of genuinely talented people who, because of their popularity, embrace the religion.
for James Hansen & Co:
4 Nov: Bloomberg: Pankaj Mishra: India Shouldn’t Buy What Japan Is Selling
Last week in the south Indian city of Pondicherry, I met a friend who had managed to penetrate the security lockdown around Kudankulam, the Russian-built nuclear power station in Tamil Nadu that began partial operations late last month despite strong protests from local villagers.
Kudankulum lies only a few miles away from a coastline that was ravaged by a tsunami in 2004. Opposition to the plant intensified after another intense earthquake and tsunami in March 2011 caused meltdowns at three nuclear reactors at the Fukushima nuclear plant in Japan. Since then, Indian police have deported the few journalists who have tried to report on the protests, sequestered entire villages and levied criminal charges against tens of thousands of locals, some of whom have been accused of sedition and “waging war on the state.” …
It is also true that, as Japan scholar Jeff Kingston points out, the export of technology by Japanese companies is key to Abenomics. Japan is at the center of the global nuclear-industrial complex, which stands to benefit greatly from the continued sale of an outdated and demonstrably dangerous technology to wannabe nuclear powers such as India and Turkey.
Toshiba Corp. owns 87 percent of Westinghouse Electric Co. LLC, which is helping to build a nuclear plant — again, against intense local protests — in the Indian state of Rajasthan; Hitachi Ltd. and Mitsubishi Group are in collaborations with General Electric Co. and the French company Areva SA, whose multiple deals with India make it the real beneficiary of the country’s U.S.-assisted admission to the nuclear club in 2008.
In this scramble for large profits, democratic values such as oversight, accountability and transparency are likely to be trampled into the dust. The case of Tepco shows how a large and networked company can buy the silence of the media as well as of politicians and regulators. Thus, while Fukushima remains volatile, another nuclear catastrophe seems to be developing in India. As in Japan, the full-throated advocacy of nuclear energy by its leaders, and the absence of debate within the Parliament or the mainstream media, reinforces the bitter truth of a line from Slovenian philosopher Slavoj Zizek that Ramana quotes in his book: “It is indeed true that we live in a society of risky choices, but it is one in which only some do the choosing, while others do the risking.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-03/india-shouldn-t-buy-what-japan-is-selling.html
Mike Bromley the Kurd says:
November 3, 2013 at 7:45 pm
… “Sir Paul has imbibed the Warmista Elixir, unfortunately. You won’t catch him modifying his lyrics, I’m afraid. Yet another in the long line of genuinely talented people who, because of their popularity, embrace the religion.”
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I sometimes wonder if such stars turn to this particular religion because they fear they are losing popularity. If they felt on top of their game, they wouldn’t need propping up by “being seen to be green”. They embrace it like it’s another badge which might improve their image, as though being seen in the ranks of eco-warriors they will be looked up to.
I guess that goes to show how out of touch with reality they can get.