Why doesn't Lewandowsky study this phenomenon?

One of the favorite smears from Dr. Stephan Lewandowsky used to try to diminish the arguments of climate skeptics is to create dodgy psuedo-scientific psychological studies with a bent on trying to prove that skeptics are conspiracy theorists. Except for the extremely gullible, such bleatings don’t appear to have any traction. But he does keep trying.

Meanwhile, right in front of his nose, there is a regular parade of conspiracy theory linkages happening daily. For example, get a load of this latest claim from Dr. Michael Mann: 

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You just have to laugh at the idea that the Koch brothers are paying people to write the sort of comments (27) as of this writing that appear on the Phys.org article: http://phys.org/news/2013-10-people-dont-high-climate.html

I dunno, how does one “smell” Koch in those comments? Is it anything like trained animals that can spot certain scents?

Practically every day now Dr. Mann imagines some Koch brothers connection to people who have honest disagreements about climate. Recall these recent ventures into conspiracy theory land:

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Which I answer here: The other divergence problem – climate communications

It’s part of Mann’s recurring theme:Mann overboard! Pot, kettle, conspiracy edition

The reality is, Koch even contributes to Dr. Mann’s University: Oh the pain! #Kochmachine is in many American universities, including Penn State

IMHO, I think Dr. Mann needs to seek professional help for this affliction where he sees the Koch Brothers climate influence under every virtual rock and tree on the Internet. If nothing else, this affliction would make a good clinical case study for some psychologist.

Now watch, someone will alert Dr. Mann to this writing, and he’ll tweet something about it with some added smear, or retweet something from one of his followers along the same lines. It’s as sure as the sun rises in the morning, I don’t even need a computer model.

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John W. Garrett

I like to refer to him as Michael “Piltdown” Mann.

Steve T

After ” this piece sure smells like #Koch” comment is there anyone who still thinks his Cooch comment was an accident?

Kon Dealer

Make my day, Mr. watts. Sue Mann for libel.
After all I now think from his tweet that you have been in the pay of the Koch brothers all along.
I’ll never trust you again.
(Sarc)

ConfusedPhoton

Like an animal trapped in the CAGW cage, Mann is lashing out at anything that comes near. But the iceberg is fast approaching and he will crash into it & sink into obscurity.

Rhoda R

The left is trying to marginalize the Koch Bros the same way they are trying to marginalize conservatives.

Elftone

Worse still, the intellectually-challenged Mann doesn’t know it’s pronounced like “Coke”. “Hmm, smells like Coke to me…”. Idiot. I can only suspect he was bullied relentlessly whilst at school.

Mark R

“On the blogs, the fight was particularly fierce. Fox PR staffers were expected to counter not just negative and even neutral blog postings but the anti-Fox comments beneath them. One former staffer recalled using twenty different aliases to post pro-Fox rants. Another had one hundred. Several employees had to acquire a cell phone thumb drive to provide a wireless broadband connection that could not be traced back to a Fox News or News Corp account. Another used an AOL dial-up connection, even in the age of widespread broadband access, on the rationale it would be harder to pinpoint its origins. Old laptops were distributed for these cyber operations. Even blogs with minor followings were reviewed to ensure no claim went unchecked. ”
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/10/21/muroch_s_world_npr_reporter_s_book_claims_fox_news_waged_pr_war_with_anonymous.html

D.J. Hawkins

John W. Garrett says:
October 23, 2013 at 3:03 pm
I like to refer to him as Michael “Piltdown” Mann.

Surely Michael “Meltdown” Mann is a better choice?

Otter

I’m sure mann smells something. But I’m fairly certain it is a Crock of something, and that it gets stirred with a hockey stick.
Yeah, feel free to [snip] that one….

Mickey Reno

Why doesn’t Lewandowsky study this? Because that would embarrass the wrong side. There’s a narrative to maintain, dontcha know…

albertalad

Wow! Now if Mann can point out where I should submit my comments for a salary I’m on board. I will increase my output immediate – hey Mike how much would I make per comment?

Theo Goodwin

In his latest email frenzy, he referred to a fellow scientist as a “denier,” as having “come out of the [denier] closet, and as not communicating in good faith. That is quite a string for one day. I think he is capable of much more. What an entertainer! What a climate rock star!

Otter

Theo ~ you meant ‘crock star.’

@ D.J. Hawkins says:
“Surely Michael “Meltdown” Mann is a better choice?”
Michael “Ringer” Mann…

David in Cal

With all these paranoid falsehoods on the record, I think Mark Steyn’s and the National Review’s lawyers will have a field day cross-examining Mann, if the suit gets that far.

Anthony, what I find really remarkable is that anyone. Michael Mann included, would link a “HotWhopper” blog post as a supposed reputable source for any subject. Like Michael Mann, blogger “Sou” has always been a few tree rings short of a hockey stick.

Green Sand

Why doesn’t Lewandowsky study this phenomenon?

Because it is not a phenomenon it is a known norm.

Lew Skannen

Do try to remember to send him a ‘Koch Bros’ xmas card this year.

Rud Istvan

The Mann os increasingly unhinged.Inhave asked my brother, a PSU alliums in good standing, to lodge a formal University complaint.

Also, Anthony, I can now report that my request for funding from the Koch brothers has now been a sticky post at my blog for over a week…
http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2013/10/15/open-letter-to-the-koch-brothers/
…and still no funding from the Koch brothers.
A gazillion-dollar donation sure would come in handy.

Michael in Sydney

What do the Koch brothers smell like?

Alcheson

In reply to Mark R,
“Media Matters for America
mediamatters.org/ – Cached – Similar
1 day ago … A non-profit progressive research and information center dedicated to
comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative …”
Nice one, you post a link to a Soro’s run operation with supposed accusations from four unnamed sources. I’d say your source of information (Media Matters) is quite tainted in itself.

Dave

Just put a post on Mikey’s Facebook page daring him to take you on in a public debate to put all us ridiculous denialists in our place. Think he’ll take the bait?

Speaking of Cook & Lewandowsky.
You all might be interested in the itinerary of the science program at the upcoming AGU Annual Fall Meeting in San Francisco from Dec 9 thru Dec 13. It features:
– Cook & Lewandowsky are teamed up together to give multiple appearances each of two days during the 5 day AGU meeting. They were invited by the AGU leadership to give these talks.
– Cook & Nuccitelli are teamed up together to give multiple appearance each of two days during the 5 day AGU meeting. They were invited by the AGU leadership to give these talks.
– Cook & Mandia are teamed up together to give one appearance. They were invited by the AGU leadership to give the talk.
I appears anyone from the public can view, at the AGU website, the itinerary of presenters of the AGU meeting’s scientific program. Go peek at it and observe the representation of ‘IPCC centric consensus science’ vs independent skeptical science.
Last year’s AGU, which I attended, had several Cook talks, similar to the above. But this year they have ~doubled in number.
The AGU has sponsored, apparently, a Cook fest by invitation.
I shall attend the AGU meeting again this year.
John

Steve P

…a Soro’s run operation…

Somebody could make a million bucks with an instant cure for apostrophe disease.

manicbeancounter

One of the aspects of genuine conspiracy theorists is that they have a strong bias in supporting data that supports their beliefs and failing to consider alternative hypotheses. Indeed, the barmiest conspiracy theorists find plenty of reasons to reject anything that a suspected opponent might say. Michael Mann’s conspiracist allegations are very much in line with his cherry-picking of climate proxies and statistical methods in his hockey-stick graphs.
The opposite of a conspiracy theorist, is someone who genuinely compares and contrasts various ideas and conflicting data.

I was reading a Donella Meadows book from 1982 this morning on the first decade of modelling and she kept saying over and over again that it was modelling of social systems to affect future behavior. Not to actually reflect reality.
I think Lewandowsky keeps mentioning conspiracies to avoid the admitted long term massive coordinated effort to use models like the IPCC to change policies and prevailing beliefs about how the world works. Ironic when you consider how many confessions and declarations of the “need to change human behavior” there are in print once you know where to look.

Sisi

Conspiracy? What conspiracy?
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/campaigns/global-warming-and-energy/polluterwatch/koch-industries/
Koch supporting universities? Sort of, to me “smells like” breeding/supporting individuals with similar world views as Koch.
“Through research, training programs and professional education, Charles Koch Institute works to connect students and professionals to opportunities to advance economic freedom.
Professional Education Programs
The institute’s professional education programs connect professionals and students with the knowledge and training they need to successfully advance economic freedom through their careers. Program participants engage in weekly educational sessions alongside internships and jobs at non-profit organizations. These sessions include discussions and lectures as well as workshops focused on Market-Based Management®, economics and other topics.”
http://www.kochfamilyfoundations.org/FoundationsCKI.asp
So, a whiff of plain anti-regulation ideology. Evidence of Koch paying Mann nowhere in sight.

charles nelson

Smells like Koch does it Michael? That’s rich coming from someone once described as “the Jerry Sandusky of Climate Change”!

Eric

Reposted my 3:37 comment (mod can delete original?)
Mark R
Yep…we are all just figments of Anthony’s imagination. Quite a bit of backstory building with some of us…

The Kochs

Hey, lay off Mike, we’re on your side just trying to save this lovely planet like all other fellow lovers of things green, greenbacks are our special love and we have plenty to invest in the climate change business,so long as there is more money in it for us,.

Dave

Never mind. He deleted my post. Anybody less surprised than I am?

Bart

David in Cal says:
October 23, 2013 at 3:35 pm
“With all these paranoid falsehoods on the record, I think Mark Steyn’s and the National Review’s lawyers will have a field day cross-examining Mann, if the suit gets that far.”
Sort of like this.

Tom in Florida

Perhaps Mann thinks that his claims of Koch backing will attract the interest of the IRS who would then attempt to “find” evidence of the millions of $$ that Anthony has hidden away in various off shore accounts.

Mark R

@Alcheson
No, the source is the book “Murdoch’s World: The Last of the Old Media Empires” by David Folkenflik, MM quoted from it. Saying you don’t like MM does not refute the claim.

Lady in Red

No, no, folk: Michael Mann’s place in history is secure, along with that of James Hanson. They will be immortalized, just like the frauds Lysenko and Paul Kammerer (and his mid-wife toad).
They will live in infamy, forever. ….Lady in Red

Athlete

“I have been talking w/ folks in the states about finding an
investigative journalist to investigate and expose McIntyre, and his
thus far unexplored connections with fossil fuel interests.”
Michael Mann

F.A.H.

I looked at the numbers underlying these claims, at least the ones reported by Greenpeace. I can’t vouch for the accuracy of the Greenpeace numbers, but just taking them at face value, here are two links that has Greenpeace’s numbers:
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/campaigns/global-warming-and-energy/polluterwatch/koch-industries/the-manhattan-institute/
and
http://greenpeaceblogs.org/2012/04/02/koch-brothers-exposed-fueling-climate-denial-and-privatizing-democracy/
In the second link, GreenP states:
“The top recipients of Koch money in the Climate Denial Machine include Americans for Prosperity ($5.7 million since 1997), the Heritage Foundation ($2.7 million), the Cato Institute ($1.2 million), and the Manhattan Institute ($1.2 million).”
At the first link they list the yearly amounts per organization. First notice that these numbers (e.g. 61.48 $M) are spread over almost 30 years. That makes the $61 M work out to about $2M per year total. For example the Manhattan Institute numbers have been running about $200K (note the K) per year for the past few years. The Manhattan Institute has about 5 centers, only one of which is involved in energy research. So that means maybe a few K might go to energy research. The others are ridiculously small. For example, the Environmental Literacy group got 4 grants over the 30 years, each of which was $50K. Most of the other organizations are either broad policy oriented or focus on entirely different issues, such as medical, media, or general politics, like the Americans for Prosperity, which lists 8 policy areas of research: budget and spending, health care and entitlements, taxes, labor/education/pensions, banking/financial services, technology, and energy and environment. Only the last of the eight is focused somewhat on climate.
So over 30 years, around $2M per year spread over largely general policy institutes. These grants are each about enough to fund one graduate student or researcher for a year or so, and the bulk of them have nothing to do with climate, instead focused on general conservative issues. So what the objectors to the Koch tiny investments in these institutes are actually objecting to is not climate but conservative political activities. It looks like at most about 10% of the funds might actually go to climate research, which works out to a grand and glorious $200K per year. This should be compared to the $2.6B U.S. Global Change Research Program, which is focused entirely on “official” climate change research and persuasion. I don’t know what the IPCC budget is, but it must be a lot to fly all those folks around the world to cushy hotels and great restaurants. I did not look at the budgets of Greenpeace or the plethora of other alarmist groups, largely because I don’t want to get involved in that kind of thinking. It is as petty as the claims of the alarmiss against the “evil Koch denial empire..” So in summary the Koch brothers put in about $200K compared to $2.6+++ billions for the warming scare crowd. These people have no shame.
Other information on Koch foundation grants and charitable contributions is available at its web sites and in its statements. The vast majority of the grants go directly to medical research, religious institutions (particularly catholic), universities, etc.
By repeatedly going after the Kochs, perhaps the alarmists are actually tipping their hand, namely that they are not really about climate change or science or truth at all, instead being truly focused on a more general liberal agenda toward increased taxation, government control, etc etc. Thats all well and good, that is a whole other conversation to have and should have nothing to do with climate science. They should just stop pretending that it is about science.

lurker, passing through laughing

Mark R,
Not to acknowledge you any more and let you hijack the thread, but the book is hardly credible, and can be nicely contrasted with the WH today finally firing an Obama aide who was outed long ago as a sock puppet actively trashing all sorts of people who dared to not agree with Obama.

scf

This truly unhinged obsession with the Kochs is getting scary. It would be scary for them to be seeing their names abused in this way. It is scary for the rest of us to see people demonized this way. It is dangerous – this is how violent regimes of the past have been able to justify their violence, with demonization. http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/10/no-reason-just-hate-thats-a-modern-liberal.php

MinB

Can we just stop discussing Mann? Is there anything productive or positive to be gained from tracking his ridiculous tweets and comments and fulfilling his attention-seeking? He’s had his 15 minutes. No more unless there’s actual science to discuss. For that matter, add Gore and Lewandowsky to this scrap pile. Do I hear a second?

Sisi says:
“Evidence of Koch paying Mann nowhere in sight.”
Maybe that’s why Mann is being such an ass.

Athlete says:
October 23, 2013 at 4:50 pm
“I have been talking w/ folks in the states about finding an
investigative journalist to investigate and expose McIntyre, and his
thus far unexplored connections with fossil fuel interests.”
Michael Mann
*
Is this the same as paying someone to make stuff up?

ttfn

Mark R says:
October 23, 2013 at 4:44 pm
“@Alcheson
No, the source is the book “Murdoch’s World: The Last of the Old Media Empires” by David Folkenflik, MM quoted from it. Saying you don’t like MM does not refute the claim.”
So now we know what the esteemed Theoretical Climatologist Michael Mann reads on his free time. Exhibit A for Lewandowski’s new study.

Sisi

@dbstealey
Is that your way of thinking? Mann being a rejected lover or so? Ha!

Louis Hooffstetter

“…smells like coke to me…”
Penn State needs to randomly drug test Mikey.

Sisi,
This should make your day. It made my day! ☺

Sisi

@dbstealey
No exciment here…

When you have no defense, blame the VRWC – see how well it worked for Hillary?

Louis

Is it just my imagination or is the lack of global warming causing Michael Mann to become more “extreme”?