Tough Times For Sea Ice Melt Enthusiasts…

Cryosphere Today – University of Illinois – Polar Research Group – Click the pic to view at source

Image Credit: Cryosphere Today – University of Illinois – Polar Research Group

By WUWT Regular Just The Facts

In previous years there was reason to cheer, .e.g. “Transport is steaming full speed ahead.” “Some serious ice transport going on there. If this keeps up…” Neven, “Record Arctic Sea Ice Melt to Levels Unseen in Millennia”, “Arctic Sea-ice minimum 2012 declared – it’s the Silly Season!” Skeptical Science 1 and 2

However, this year the mood is more sober and downbeat, e.g. in Neven’s recent article “ASI 2013 update 8: the end is nigh” he writes that;

I didn’t think it was possible, but area-wise 2013 is now even above 2009. Apparently this can happen when the weather isn’t conducive to ice decrease (melt, compaction and transport) for almost the entire melting season, even if you start out with a record amount of first-year ice. Fascinating stuff. After the lowest average daily decrease since 2006 for the month of August, 2013 is almost 1.3 million km2 behind last year!

Later in comments this exchange occurred:

Pete Williamson: Neven, I think at some point you’re going to have to stop being surprised at the lack of melt (or the persistence of extent) this year 😛

Neven: I know, I know. I just can’t get over it! 😀

Pete Williamson: Not only has a lot of FYI survived but so has much of the SYI (2nd) which is going to start showing up in the MYI category next year. It possible that at least a bit of a ‘recovery’ in the MYI is on the cards.

Neven: Definitely. This is now the number 1 point of interest for me. A couple of melting seasons like this one in a row, and you could really start speaking of a recovery. But just one 2007/2011/2012 year could negate all of it as well.

So what has these Sea Ice Melt Enthusiasts sober and downbeat? Well certainly the stubbornly average Global Sea Ice Area graph at the head of this article can’t help, but let’s take a closer look:

Arctic Sea Ice Extent;

National Snow & Ice Data Center (NSIDC) – click to view at source

continues to trend below average, however it has remained within the 30 year (1981 – 2010) “normal” range for the entirety of 2013. Conversely, Antarctic Sea Ice Extent;

National Snow & Ice Data Center (NSIDC) – Click the pic to view at source

continues to trend above average and has remained outside of the “normal” range for much of the last month. Furthermore, Southern Sea Ice Area has now remained above average for most of the last two years:

Cryosphere Today – Arctic Climate Research at the University of Illinois – Click the pic to view at source

and is within striking distance of a record high:

Cryosphere Today – Arctic Climate Research at the University of Illinois – Click the pic to view at source

All of these facts might dampen even the most dedicated Sea Ice Melt Enthusiast’s spirits, but then again, there’s always next year, i.e.:

“I have great excuses, of course, like the fact that I’m in the process of building a house (slowly reaching its climax in the next 2-3 weeks), and the melting season being less of a spectacle with slow melting and an extremely cloudy Arctic. But still, there’s always plenty of stuff to talk about when it comes to that fascinating place that is the Arctic. Next year will probably be better.” Neven

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noaaprogrammer
September 7, 2013 6:08 pm

Eve wrote: “I wonder how much ice breakers have contributed to the ‘soon to be ice free Arctic?’ There are Russian and Canadian icebreakers out there now breaking up the ice.”
By so doing, they’re allowing more ocean heat to escape into the atmosphere and space.

bit chilly
September 7, 2013 6:16 pm

one thing is for sure,it is a good time to be a cAGW sceptic. observation trumps models every time.

Kevin Ryan
September 7, 2013 6:57 pm

“Next year will probably be better.” – Neven
If that means what I think it means then what the heck is wrong with some people. Hoping for bad things to happen. Imagine someone saying, “Well your cancer is in remission, but next year will probably be better and it’ll come back.”

Jeff Allen
September 7, 2013 7:10 pm

Sea ice melt enthusiasts? Are you daft? You think people like me who are concerned about declining ice in the arctic are *ENTHUSIASTIC* about it?
Bluntly, I’d rather I and people like Neven were wrong. In fact, both of us would cheer heartily if we believed we were. Sadly, I don’t think that is the case, and the “pull back” of this year’s melt season does not give me great comfort.
Ice breakers a serious factor contributing to the decline in Sea Ice Area and fragmentation of the Arctic? If you followed other posts on Neven’s blog and forums, you would have read very well thought out answers to that particular assertion which clearly show the activity of ships on the ice is trivial compared to the huge exchanges of energy that take place over the melt season. To be succinct, note that ice breakers make a path through ice; they do not melt the ice they push through.
I’ll also say “shame on you” to Anthony for taking quotes on Neven’s blog out of context.

RoHa
September 7, 2013 7:11 pm

But the sea ice around Antarctica is growing because of Global Warming. The land ice is melting and pouring cold water into the sea. This cold water acts as a barrier against the warmer underlying water and allows the surface to freeze in the cold air which has been pushed North by the hot air that Global Warming has brought to the South Pole and which melts the land ice.
Or something like that.
I think.
O.K. You do better.

RACookPE1978
Editor
September 7, 2013 7:17 pm

Jeff Allen says:
September 7, 2013 at 7:10 pm
Why are you worried about Arctic sea ice decline the past few years? be specific, give the your real reasons. And the much-touted Arctic amplification (sea ice loss one year leads to increased losses the following year, or the following month for that matter! It has been soundly invalidated by the 2007 and 2012 ice records – you can’t use it again.
From today’s levels (the average levels since 1980) the further the sea ice declines from late August through mid-September, the more heat is lost form the Arctic Ocean to the sky as long wave radiation and to the Arctic air with increased evaporation and greater convection losses. True, near mid-June there is some extra heat gained from the sun, but after mid-August open water creates a net heat loss compared to solar energy gain.
On the other hand, the greater the Antarctic sea ice increase at all periods of the year between latitudes 60 south and 70 south, the more energy is reflected and the more the earth cools.

jai mitchell
September 7, 2013 7:23 pm

http://protonsforbreakfast.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/arctic-sea-ice-volume.jpeg
Arctic ice volume is the only thing that matters now.
it will be interesting to see if the late winter rains return for the western states with the increased sea ice extent. Even though the ice is thinner now, the models made 10 years ago predicted a drop off in the western states’ rainfall over 10 years ago. After last year’s record breaking low ice extent levels, California is experiencing its driest water year in the state’s history and the Colorado river’s source Lake Powell is predicted to reach an all-time low this winter.
of course the ice levels that we are seeing today, they predicted would be happening in 2050. . .

george e. smith
September 7, 2013 7:33 pm

So when are those NSIDC rocket scientists going to get out their teraflop Abacus, and see if they can incorporate the data for 2011 and 2012, and even the 2013 data (well only up to today) along with their 1981 to 2010 average.
If they like, I’ll hold their Starbucks coffee Latte for them, so they can twiddle the beads, a little bit faster.
Hopefully, none of these clowns drives a motor vehicle in my neighborhood; we’d never survive their reaction time to new information.

Steve from Rockwood
September 7, 2013 7:36 pm

For some reason Arctic ice is fascinating to follow. I thought I had a life, but after religiously following the Arctic ice melt for the past 4 years I’m starting to have doubts. GO ICE!

george e. smith
September 7, 2013 7:42 pm

“”””””……omnologos says:
September 7, 2013 at 3:47 pm
anybody wants to count how many sites include the expression “thanks to Hurricane Sandy”?…..””””””
Well Hurricane Sandy didn’t do much except turbulate a lot of jellyfish, out in the Atlantic; but Tropical Storm Sandy did soak a part of the east coast, which could learn a thing or two from King Canute.

Josh M
September 7, 2013 7:48 pm

Anyone dumb enough to extrapolate an exponential trend from a chaotic natural process shouldn’t be running a science blog. It’s quite clear that variation in arctic ice extent can be largely ascribed to wind patterns (+ – dipole anomalies) and oceanic cycles such as the PDO and AMO rather than some sort of fictitious runaway global warming.

bobmaginnis
September 7, 2013 8:03 pm
NZ Willy
September 7, 2013 8:06 pm

Jeff Allen says: “Sea ice melt enthusiasts? Are you daft? You think people like me who are concerned about declining ice in the arctic are *ENTHUSIASTIC* about it?”
Without question, Neven and his acolytes are *ENTHUSIASTIC* about the declining ice, and rah-rah every melting molecule. Their disappointment about this season’s recovery is palpable. That is obvious to any reader except perhaps those who are too deep in, like a fish which is the last to know about water.

NZ Willy
September 7, 2013 8:13 pm

…but as for icebreakers, as I’ve said before, they are irrelevant to the Arctic ice extent. The one-dimensional paths are far too tiny a footprint on the two-dimensional ice.

September 7, 2013 8:32 pm

As usual always, jai mitchell is completely wrong.
Arctic ice cover is now rocketing upward.
And of course, the Antarctic is also gaining gigatonnes of new ice — a trend that has continued unabated for decades.
Face it, mitchell, the last failed prediction of the climate alarmist cult — the Arctic ice scare — has been thoroughly debunked by the ultimate Authority: Planet Earth herself. You have nothing except your repeatedly falsified opinion to support your Belief system.
But that is not good enough for the internet’s “Best Science & Technology” site. Your predictions have all failed. Every last one of them. You would not be such an abject loser if you accepted what the real world is telling us: that there is no runaway global warming, that CO2 is completely harmless, and beneficial to the biosphere, and that your cherry-picked, carefully pre-selected examples of climate catastrophe are seen to be ridiculous by every thinking reader of this award-winning site.
Take an aspirin, lie down, and try to relax. Your Chicken Little fright is enough for everyone. You only got hit on the head by an acorn; the sky is not falling, as you really seem to believe.

Mooloo
September 7, 2013 8:37 pm

Why are the Russians building a huge new icebreaker if they know that the ice is only going to get thinner and thinner? Surely their old ones, which have coped so far, will be easily able to cope?

September 7, 2013 8:46 pm

Warmistas are getting no joy in 2013 from Arctic sea ice, U.S. tornadoes, Atlantic hurricanes, number of wildfires and acres burned, increased droughts or floods, sea level rises, record high Antarctic sea ice extent is a real downer, and long term average global temperatures are not playing ball despite record high CO2 levels.
However the Warmistas are already looking forward to some really great disasters impinging on humanity in 2013. There is nothing like some general suffering to advance The Cause.

September 7, 2013 8:51 pm

Jeff Allen says:
“I’ll also say ‘shame on you’ to Anthony for taking quotes on Neven’s blog out of context.”
Relax, Jeffy. The world is not ending. Arctic ice is going through its normal cycle. There is nothing to be concerned about. Nothing at all. But they have you all scared, which is what they want.
The Chicken Little [U.S.] / Chicken Licken [U.K.] brigade has you all frightened. That is their intention, and you fell for it. Now, open your wallet. Wide. Then you will feel much better!
The fact is that global ice cover is completely normal. There is nothing either unusual or unprecedented about what you see. It has all happened before, and to a much greater extent.
So don’t let the scary people make you pucker up. Their reason is to separate you from more of your tax money, nothing else. You need to be able to discern motives, or you will just be their chump. You don’t want that, do you?

Philip Bradley
September 7, 2013 8:58 pm

Volume is important, because were warming atmospheric and ocean temperatures the cause of sea ice decreases then volume should decline in line with area. It hasn’t. Volume decline is much larger (although this year is past the peak of the differential), which means warming air and ocean isn’t the cause of the excess decline in volume.
Embedded black carbon is the cause of the excess volume decline, as I explained above.

ossqss
September 7, 2013 8:59 pm

http://www.climatedepot.com/2012/09/24/nasa-finally-admits-it-arctic-cyclone-in-august-broke-up-and-wreaked-havoc-on-sea-ice-reuters-reports-arctic-storm-played-key-role-in-ice-reduction/
Just sayin, ya gotta know where the record low (over the observed 30 year term) came from.
No suprises on the increase this year here. Add in the PDO and AO and on an on, and it’s gonna be a cold and snowy year for much of the US for the 4th time in 6 years from what I see.
Redistribution of energy principle in play, and flattening of such globally ?
Maybe I’m amazed at how climate really works in the real world ?
Enjoy the thought>