While Andrew Dessler suggests Dr. Roger Pielke Sr. can resign the AGU (for having a minority viewpoint on their recent policy update),
Ross McKittrick leaves this comment at Bishop Hill:
Here’s the list of scientific institutions and societies that have issued statements agreeing with CAGW, and that surveyed their members to find out how many agreed with the statement prior to issuing it, and published the results of the survey:
Anyone want to see the list again?
Aug 12, 2013 at 12:50 AM |Ross McKitrick
“Why does Dessler use somebody else’s picture? Kinda odd, no?”
No, seems that is Dr. Dessler’s picture all right (bad lighting I guess, him turning blue from the frigid cold and the hues off) of AGU. Just google him.
http://atmo.tamu.edu/profile/ADessler
Consensus is crucial in science. Without it we would be utterly lost. Long live consensus.
I won’t even bother with Helicobacter pylori. This whole consensus shite tells scientists not to bother. Keep a straight path. The only problem is that the path could be wrong (or crooked). Is this the way science is supposed to work?
There was a consensus that cloning using an adult cell as a donor was impossible. Enter Tom Cruise. OK, that’s enough on the consensus bashing for this evening.
I’m kind of surprised at Dessler’s snark. He has played well in the past with Roy Spencer, and he has a decent blog at the Houston Chronicle.
Let’s not forget, the IPCC could at any time have surveyed participating scientists on their degree of agreement with the Assessment Reports and they never have.
As global warming continues to “stall,” “pause,” or whatever term is preferable, the debate is still very much open. If global cooling kicks in over the next 5-6 years, and by all indications I have seen, it will, the debate may simply fade away as climate scientists gracefully exit from a consensus that never really was in the first place.
Speaking of group think:
“In an agency-wide address to employees Aug. 1, (Interior Secretary Sally) Jewell took the unusual step of suggesting that no one working for her should challenge the idea that human activity is driving recent warming. “I hope there are no climate-change deniers in the Department of Interior,” she said.”
from http://washingtonexaminer.com/interior-secretary-i-dont-want-any-climate-change-deniers-in-my-department/article/2534142
I’ll pass on making a personal comment about this.
Don’t want to get banned from this site.
@Jimbo: If the science is clear, why issue a position statement? Did they issue one over gravity?
They will once someone figures out a way to tax gravity!
Andrew,
Are you certain you want to set such a precedent? I mean, your water vapour theory is being falsified by Planet Earth, as are the climate models themselves. What will you do if it continues this way? Resign from Planet Earth? Ah, well that would be tragic, but you would by no means be unique.
Climate Fascism is on the march, although you might have missed it as its followers don’t wear uniforms or go in for goose-stepping, but like all Fascists they are seriously uptight. Climate Fascism is incompatible with the scientific method or with debate, examination of evidence or critical thinking, and it will not tolerate dissent.
If I may wax Churchillian for a minute, the whole fury and might of the enemy must very soon be turned on us now. Pachauri and Gore know that they will have to break us at WUWT or lose the war. If we can stand up to them, all Europe may be free and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age, made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science.
Hello,
The American Geophysical Union (AGU) has allowed for many years, more than my 23, those who do not have a university degree in Geophysics or any other physical science to become a member with payment of a nominal fee of, as of the year before last, $20.
When I first joined the AGU, paying $20 and a BS in Geology, I felt elated about such an Open society.
In the years since, I earned a M.S. in Geophysics then a Ph.D. in Geophysics.
The AGU in this period expanded and now includes members with degrees in Geography, Anthropology, Political Science, Social Science, Journalism and English.
The presentations at the Spring (deceased) and Fall Meeting (Big Tent Carnival Of Horrors) have drifted from topics in Geophysics to Lobbying Congress and formulating talking points for Media appearances against Ph.D. degreed physical scientists with knowledge, training and experience, though not of the preferred Federal religion of the moment and formulating a Legal defense when those who have a Ph.D. in Geophysics call the ‘unfortunate One’ to task for libel and slander.
With this as a background into the inner circle psyche of the High Command of the AGU, why would any President of the United States of America of any other, and much freer and open societies than the U.S.A., give a moments notice to the babble from a ‘Union’ whose constituents, mostly now as of 2013 only pay $50 for membership and who mostly do not have any degree in the Physical Sciences let alone Geophysics.
And add that the Executive High Command of the AGU believes that the President and Cabinet Officers and unelected though appointed/nominated Agency Directors of the United States of America are “breathlessly” reading the bull shit advocacy communist proclamations of the pitiful AGU.
What a laugh. And I resign.
Good riddance AGU.
bobl says,
“Interesting piece at Pielke’s site. More interestingly comments are NOT ALLOWED there…..”
As I recall, Pielke Sr. stopped taking comments because it sucked up too much of his time. (Especially with blowhards like Steve Bloom.)
He essentially retired the blog last November.
http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.com/2012/11/13/the-weblog-is-retiring/
Kenji, are you a member of the UCS or AGU or both? I don’t remember. . .
Not much difference, , , , would you resign too?
Ya know, it may be time for such protest of membership.
At what point does one hear enough to say “I have had enough”……………
Most folks will not tolerate it, but do they do anything about it is the question.
Just Sayin>
Step up, or shut up…….
The power is right in front of you, right here.
Off topic, but Climate Depot is offline – does anyone know if this is a hacking? Cheers
Tim Groves says:
August 12, 2013 at 8:33 pm
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Thanks. That was fun.
“Scientists” like Dessler who tow the party line on climate all have one thing in common:
….a very poor contribution to climate science….lol
@Tom J (August 12, 2013 at 6:24 pm)
You Sir, should comment here more often. That was excellent.
Well I read Dessler’s post at Pielke’s site; several times, in fact.
NOWHERE in Dessler’s litany of unequivocal assertions, of strong and positive water vapor feedback, including common climate events like Mt Pinatubo eruptions, does Dessler ever mention that WATER VAPOR is a strong absorber of incoming solar radiation; which as a result will never reach the surface, and in particular the deep ocean where most of earth’s “heat” energy is stored.
Hey Professor Dessler, It is normal procedure to connect feedback network connections from the OUTPUT, to the INPUT, so that the effective operating INPUT is altered.
You don’t even acknowledge that the climate energy system even has an INPUT signal; namely the solar insolation.
Time to take a remedial course in elementary feedback networks.
Hitler discovers clouds.
And here’s Lubos Motl ripping up Dessler’s water vapor feedback paper. He blows his nose on it too. http://motls.blogspot.com/2011/09/andrew-dessler-clouds-dont-reflect.html
It’s all good.
Bishop Hill has distanced himself from the comment, as “Ross McKitrick” is not necessarily Ross McKitrick.
The warmists will counter with that list of 10,000 British university students who signed that daft petition and claim they’re representative of the society consensus.
/sarc
Why is money always the bottom line with some kind of people?
RESPONSES TO COMMENTS ON “AN EVIDENCE-BASED APPROACH TO PRICING CO2 EMISSIONS”
Ross McKitrick July 4, 2013
http://www.rossmckitrick.com/uploads/4/8/0/8/4808045/gwpf-paper-responses.pdf
If only the geologists and geophysicists in the AGU’s membership were allowed to vote for their organisation’s leadership, the current bunch of clowns would be immediately out on their ear.
Peer-Reviewed Survey Finds Majority Of Scientists Skeptical Of Global Warming Crisis
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/02/13/peer-reviewed-survey-finds-majority-of-scientists-skeptical-of-global-warming-crisis/
Most scientific societies, like the APS that Lewis abandoned in protest, have clauses in their constitutions forbidding them from taking positions on behalf of the membership. Currently broadly ignored. Anyone have an AGU constitution copy? Probably the same. Notice any similarity to BHO’s attitude and approach?