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While Andrew Dessler suggests Dr. Roger Pielke Sr. can resign the AGU (for having a minority viewpoint on their recent policy update),

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Ross McKittrick leaves this comment at Bishop Hill:

Here’s the list of scientific institutions and societies that have issued statements agreeing with CAGW, and that surveyed their members to find out how many agreed with the statement prior to issuing it, and published the results of the survey:

Anyone want to see the list again?

Aug 12, 2013 at 12:50 AM | Unregistered CommenterRoss McKitrick
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kim

C’mon, the President isn’t in the AGU.
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Kurt in Switzerland

Yup.
Keep repeating this message. Perhaps the NYTimes will pick it up. OK, maybe Toronto’s Globe & Mail.
Kurt in Switzerland

John

Forgive me, who is Andrew Dessler again?

TomRude

Ross McKitrick’s comment: priceless!

John M

Maybe he should have told him to go back where he came from too.
What the hell kind of name is Pielke anyway.
/sarc

Txomin

“…surveyed their members…”
I have wondered about that modus operandi before. It is strange considering the official line of absolute confidence in a scientific consensus. Do they naively assume agreement among members or are they simply terrorized by any form of disagreement? Also, every single scientific institution and society with AGW agenda all acting alike? It’s not just peculiar, it’s bizarre.

Bart

John says:
August 12, 2013 at 5:08 pm
“Forgive me, who is Andrew Dessler again?”
He’s the guy who completely fouled up the estimation of the water vapor feedback to surface warming, but who nevertheless is always referenced by the warmists to justify the completely-out-to-lunch notion that it is strongly positive.

Consensus science at work. Also note Dana N’s head shot at the bottom of Dessler’s post – he obviously very heartily agrees. Very classy all around.

kuhnkat

Txomin,
“Also, every single scientific institution and society with AGW agenda all acting alike? It’s not just peculiar, it’s bizarre.”
No, it is not bizarre, it is FACIST!!!

OldWeirdHarold

But 97%.

OldWeirdHarold

Why does Dessler use somebody else’s picture? Kinda odd, no?

Marc

JohnM –
It’s Pielke’s name, sir!

Bill Illis

Dessler’s estimate of water vapor feedback/increase today: +6.5%.
Reanalysis data in July 2013: +2.5%
Interesting how many times this “observations” are coming in at one-third of global warming theory’s predictions show up.
Guest post by Dessler at Roger Pielke’s site.
http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.com/2010/01/06/guest-post-by-andrew-dessler-on-the-water-vapor-feedback/

noaaprogrammer

Pielke is a German surname originating in upper Saxony. Sometimes spelled Pelka in Silesia. It’s etymology is conjectured to be a rendering of “St. Peter.”

Michael Jankowski

Dessler’s pic is quite appropriate – juvenile and naïve. Yet ironically dressed for much colder weather.

John Blake

Speaking of intellectual climate, creatures such as Dessler exhibit psychotropic tendencies typical of mood-altering prescription drugs including anti-depressants, sedatives, and tranquilizers. As Samuel Johnson put it, “Such stupidity, Sir, is not in nature”… dubbing AGW Catastrophism a “peccatogenic syndrome” (PGS) clarifies warmists’ deep-seated (“hypogenic”) attitudinal conflicts.

Tom J

Ok, I wanted to know a little bit about who heads up the AGU and speaking as a cynic I must admit that I was not disappointed. I googled this from the National Journal/Energy website. The listed qualifications of this individual are pretty much exactly what I would expect. So, here goes:
‘Christine McEntee
Executive Director and CEO, American Geophysical Union
Christine W. McEntee is a seasoned nonprofit executive with a proven track record of leading established organizations into even higher levels of excellence and performance.
McEntee has served as Executive Vice President/Chief Executive Officer at the American Institute of Architects from 2006 to 2010, Chief Executive Officer for the American College of Cardiology/American College of Cardiology Foundation from 1998 to 2005, and held a number of director and executive-level positions with the American Hospital Association from 1986 to 1998.
McEntee received her Bachelor of Science in Nursing in 1977 and her Master of Science in Health Administration in 1982 from the George Washington University. She also attended the Advanced Executive Program at Northwestern University’s Kellogg School of Management in 1997.
Board of Directors, Board of Trustees
American Board of Ophthalmology (2009 to present)
Medstar Research Institute (service began 2010)
National Building Museum (2006 to 2010)
American Architectural Foundation (2006 to 2010)
American Society of Association Executives (2004-2006)
Edmund Burke School (2003-2006)
Greater Washington Society of Association Executives (GWSAE) (2002-2004).’
Ok, I think the reader can glean that Christine McEntee is as much a geophysicist as my sister’s pet Cavalier St. Charles. Or, Christine McEntee is perhaps as much a geophysicist as my best friend’s pet Corgi. Maybe Christine McEntee is about as much a geophysicist as my pet Greyhound if I ever get around to going to the rescue society and getting one. Now, all those pets cost us money, and they might have an accident from time to time and do it in the house. But at least they don’t do it in our face.

charles nelson

Dessler, he’s the WVCC Denier isn’t he?
Wate Vapour Convection Cooling…it works!

Chad Wozniak

If the AGU insists on unanimity of opinion, it is not a scientific organization. Period.

Looks like the book – Real Jobs I have had – By Barack Obama.

RichardD

@ Tom J
It’s Cavalier King Charles Spaniel, NOT Cavalier St. Charles.
Best,
Edward, Philip and Buckley
The Three Cavaliers

NikFromNYC

“The National Academy of Blacklists”
http://www.american.com/archive/2010/july/the-national-academy-of-blacklists/
“The study, entitled “Expert Credibility in Climate Change,” examines the publications and other activities related to climate science and the climate policy of 1,372 climate researchers (me included), then sorts those scholars into two bins. In one bin the researchers placed scholars supposedly “convinced by the evidence” (CE) which led the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) to conclude that anthropogenic greenhouse gases have “very likely” been responsible for “most” of the “unequivocal” warming of the Earth’s average global temperature in the second half of the twentieth century.” In the other bin lie those scholars “unconvinced by the evidence (UE).” One qualifies for the “unconvinced group” by having “signed statements strongly dissenting from the views of the IPCC.”

Jimbo

Why does the AGU need to issue a position statement on science?
If the science is clear, why issue a position statement? Did they issue one over gravity?

Jimbo

Let me answer my own questions. The science is not settled, the controversy is heating up, the debate is certainly not over, it’s just getting going! Their statement is not meant for the scientific community but for the media, politicians and general public. That’s it.

bobl

Interesting piece at Pielke’s site. More interestingly comments are NOT ALLOWED there and Desseler therefore doesn’t have to explain where the energy to evaporate that water goes, or where the energy to raise gigatonnes of it to 3-10km comes from; more how the additional water flux through the atmosphere can be sustained while still heating the atmosphere. Evaporating water takes energy, lots of it. Nor does he have to explain just how a system as remarkably stable as earth’s atmosphere can have positive feedbacks with a loop gain of more than 0.95 with time delays and remain stable!
Nor does he need to explain how the models produce a sensitivity of 3 where the real world has only demonstrated an overall sensitivity of 1.4 since the little ice age.
A high gain figure is simply implausible

wayne

“Why does Dessler use somebody else’s picture? Kinda odd, no?”
No, seems that is Dr. Dessler’s picture all right (bad lighting I guess, him turning blue from the frigid cold and the hues off) of AGU. Just google him.
http://atmo.tamu.edu/profile/ADessler

Jimbo

Consensus is crucial in science. Without it we would be utterly lost. Long live consensus.

2011 Nobel Prize in Chemistry: ‘Quasicrystals’ Once Thought Impossible Have Changed Understanding of Solid Matter
His discovery was extremely controversial. In the course of defending his findings, he was asked to leave his research group.
Science Daily

I won’t even bother with Helicobacter pylori. This whole consensus shite tells scientists not to bother. Keep a straight path. The only problem is that the path could be wrong (or crooked). Is this the way science is supposed to work?

Jimbo

There was a consensus that cloning using an adult cell as a donor was impossible. Enter Tom Cruise. OK, that’s enough on the consensus bashing for this evening.

TomL

I’m kind of surprised at Dessler’s snark. He has played well in the past with Roy Spencer, and he has a decent blog at the Houston Chronicle.

Let’s not forget, the IPCC could at any time have surveyed participating scientists on their degree of agreement with the Assessment Reports and they never have.

JimS

As global warming continues to “stall,” “pause,” or whatever term is preferable, the debate is still very much open. If global cooling kicks in over the next 5-6 years, and by all indications I have seen, it will, the debate may simply fade away as climate scientists gracefully exit from a consensus that never really was in the first place.

EW3

Speaking of group think:
“In an agency-wide address to employees Aug. 1, (Interior Secretary Sally) Jewell took the unusual step of suggesting that no one working for her should challenge the idea that human activity is driving recent warming. “I hope there are no climate-change deniers in the Department of Interior,” she said.”
from http://washingtonexaminer.com/interior-secretary-i-dont-want-any-climate-change-deniers-in-my-department/article/2534142
I’ll pass on making a personal comment about this.
Don’t want to get banned from this site.

Mike Smith

@Jimbo: If the science is clear, why issue a position statement? Did they issue one over gravity?
They will once someone figures out a way to tax gravity!

davidmhoffer

Andrew,
Are you certain you want to set such a precedent? I mean, your water vapour theory is being falsified by Planet Earth, as are the climate models themselves. What will you do if it continues this way? Resign from Planet Earth? Ah, well that would be tragic, but you would by no means be unique.

Tim Groves

Climate Fascism is on the march, although you might have missed it as its followers don’t wear uniforms or go in for goose-stepping, but like all Fascists they are seriously uptight. Climate Fascism is incompatible with the scientific method or with debate, examination of evidence or critical thinking, and it will not tolerate dissent.
If I may wax Churchillian for a minute, the whole fury and might of the enemy must very soon be turned on us now. Pachauri and Gore know that they will have to break us at WUWT or lose the war. If we can stand up to them, all Europe may be free and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age, made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science.

TalentKeyHole Mole

Hello,
The American Geophysical Union (AGU) has allowed for many years, more than my 23, those who do not have a university degree in Geophysics or any other physical science to become a member with payment of a nominal fee of, as of the year before last, $20.
When I first joined the AGU, paying $20 and a BS in Geology, I felt elated about such an Open society.
In the years since, I earned a M.S. in Geophysics then a Ph.D. in Geophysics.
The AGU in this period expanded and now includes members with degrees in Geography, Anthropology, Political Science, Social Science, Journalism and English.
The presentations at the Spring (deceased) and Fall Meeting (Big Tent Carnival Of Horrors) have drifted from topics in Geophysics to Lobbying Congress and formulating talking points for Media appearances against Ph.D. degreed physical scientists with knowledge, training and experience, though not of the preferred Federal religion of the moment and formulating a Legal defense when those who have a Ph.D. in Geophysics call the ‘unfortunate One’ to task for libel and slander.
With this as a background into the inner circle psyche of the High Command of the AGU, why would any President of the United States of America of any other, and much freer and open societies than the U.S.A., give a moments notice to the babble from a ‘Union’ whose constituents, mostly now as of 2013 only pay $50 for membership and who mostly do not have any degree in the Physical Sciences let alone Geophysics.
And add that the Executive High Command of the AGU believes that the President and Cabinet Officers and unelected though appointed/nominated Agency Directors of the United States of America are “breathlessly” reading the bull shit advocacy communist proclamations of the pitiful AGU.
What a laugh. And I resign.
Good riddance AGU.

Robert in Calgary

bobl says,
“Interesting piece at Pielke’s site. More interestingly comments are NOT ALLOWED there…..”
As I recall, Pielke Sr. stopped taking comments because it sucked up too much of his time. (Especially with blowhards like Steve Bloom.)
He essentially retired the blog last November.
http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.com/2012/11/13/the-weblog-is-retiring/

ossqss

Kenji, are you a member of the UCS or AGU or both? I don’t remember. . .
Not much difference, , , , would you resign too?
Ya know, it may be time for such protest of membership.
At what point does one hear enough to say “I have had enough”……………
Most folks will not tolerate it, but do they do anything about it is the question.
Just Sayin>
Step up, or shut up…….
The power is right in front of you, right here.

Magoo

Off topic, but Climate Depot is offline – does anyone know if this is a hacking? Cheers

Eric Meyers

Tim Groves says:
August 12, 2013 at 8:33 pm

Thanks. That was fun.

X Anomaly

“Scientists” like Dessler who tow the party line on climate all have one thing in common:
….a very poor contribution to climate science….lol

Bennett In Vermont

@Tom J (August 12, 2013 at 6:24 pm)
You Sir, should comment here more often. That was excellent.

george e. smith

Well I read Dessler’s post at Pielke’s site; several times, in fact.
NOWHERE in Dessler’s litany of unequivocal assertions, of strong and positive water vapor feedback, including common climate events like Mt Pinatubo eruptions, does Dessler ever mention that WATER VAPOR is a strong absorber of incoming solar radiation; which as a result will never reach the surface, and in particular the deep ocean where most of earth’s “heat” energy is stored.
Hey Professor Dessler, It is normal procedure to connect feedback network connections from the OUTPUT, to the INPUT, so that the effective operating INPUT is altered.
You don’t even acknowledge that the climate energy system even has an INPUT signal; namely the solar insolation.
Time to take a remedial course in elementary feedback networks.

papertiger

Hitler discovers clouds.

And here’s Lubos Motl ripping up Dessler’s water vapor feedback paper. He blows his nose on it too. http://motls.blogspot.com/2011/09/andrew-dessler-clouds-dont-reflect.html
It’s all good.

deklein

Bishop Hill has distanced himself from the comment, as “Ross McKitrick” is not necessarily Ross McKitrick.

Jeef

The warmists will counter with that list of 10,000 British university students who signed that daft petition and claim they’re representative of the society consensus.
/sarc

Why is money always the bottom line with some kind of people?
RESPONSES TO COMMENTS ON “AN EVIDENCE-BASED APPROACH TO PRICING CO2 EMISSIONS”
Ross McKitrick July 4, 2013
http://www.rossmckitrick.com/uploads/4/8/0/8/4808045/gwpf-paper-responses.pdf

Peter Miller

If only the geologists and geophysicists in the AGU’s membership were allowed to vote for their organisation’s leadership, the current bunch of clowns would be immediately out on their ear.

LaMaisonDieu
Brian H

Most scientific societies, like the APS that Lewis abandoned in protest, have clauses in their constitutions forbidding them from taking positions on behalf of the membership. Currently broadly ignored. Anyone have an AGU constitution copy? Probably the same. Notice any similarity to BHO’s attitude and approach?