Bloomberg's Climate Fantasy

From the New York Daily News:

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The data doesn’t support him.

The temperature rise seems to have slowed in the past few years, here is NYC’s Central Park data:

central_park_temp

Source: http://www.erh.noaa.gov/okx/climate/records/monthannualtemp.html

UPDATE: WeatherBell meteorologist Joe D’Aleo sends along this graph, showing population with temperature plotted together. This makes a strong case for UHI and waste heat effects.

NYC_temp_with_population

Will the Sea level go up a foot by 2020? Doubtful.

The Battery , NY Station ID: 8518750
Station Information
Latitude: 40° 42.0′ N Mean Range: 4.53 ft.
Longitude: 74° 0.8′ W Diurnal Range: 5.06 ft.
Established: May 24 1920
NOAA Chart #: 12335
Time Meridian: 75 W

Mean Sea Level Difference:

for 8518750 The Battery, NY

1983-2001 1960-1978 Difference:

5.86 ft.-5.65 ft. = 0.21 ft.

Source: http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/station_info.shtml?stn=8518750+The+Battery+,+NY

Battery_MSL_trend

Source: http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station.shtml?stnid=8518750

Based on current NOAA data, it will take over 100 years to gain a foot of sea level rise.

At 2.77mm per year, we can only hope to see 8 x 2.77mm = 22.16mm or 0.072 foot (0.872 inches) rise by 2020. That’s not even close to Mayor Bloomberg’s claims. Note I’m being generous and using 8 years since 2013 isn’t even half over yet.

And, it really is easy to get freaked out if you don’t pay attention to anything but hype:

Freaking out about NYC sea level rise is easy to do when you don’t pay attention to history

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Latitude

People in the deep south must be dropping off like flies………..

Elizabeth

Would not trust the temp data at all. More like flat considering urban and adjustments

Nylo

Did I really read “Gotham”?

@njsnowfan

Can you really trust the data on mean sea level rise at NYC, Seems like NYC is sinking some from all the weight of structures, vehicles and people , Maybe that is why Bloomberg pushed so hard for smaller soft drinks sizes.
History of Glaciers on land masses when they melt away, the land rises. The reverse is happening with NTC now from the man made weight acting like a glacier pushing down on NYC?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-glacial_rebound


Seems Legit.

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7

Let me guess — based on this alarming new report, Bloomberg wants to introduce a citywide “carbon tax” to help mitigate the effects of climate change?

You gotta love the political BS : not a panel of scientists , but a panel of “expert” scientists,
who apparently met behind closed doors and provided unchallenged predictions based on who knows what. Also love the “will kick in” nonsense. Exactly what is going to trigger those “kick
in” conditions, I wonder?

Jack Maloney

Just exactly who constituted this “expert panel of scientists”? Some likely candidates: Lewandowsky, Gleich, Gergis, Hansen.

ducdorleans

“The bad weather patterns should kick in as early as 2020, according to the findings released on Monday.”
that is “wonderfull” news and of course … their catch22 …
if they would have said “by 2220”, they might have been right … but who would have cared ? … for our attention, they are ever obliged to say “in a not too distant future” … which will, unfortunately for them, very shortly wreck their forecasting reputation …
🙂

jc

My impression – and it is just that – is that I am hearing the insistent “climate change is real” on an increasing frequency. It seems that the devotees are being reduced to this obdurate simple-minded mantra in the face of a loss of conviction in the general tone of commentary and response. To be reduced to this after dominating and dictating the “conversation” for so long is a social disaster, even as it reveals the actual intellectual content and capacity of these vegetables.

Mike Bromley the Kurd near the Green Line

Hey, Bloomberg is a media mogul. Say no more. Conflict of interest? Nah. /sarc

Bruce Cobb

The objective of Bloombergs’ task force was to show the coming (CO2-driven) climate catastrophes, and by golly, they were able to do just that. Amazing what those GCMs can accomplish. Except showing what climate actually does, of course.

Mike Bromley the Kurd near the Green Line

Well said, jc.

Colin

Mann probably picked the panel of “experts”. After all – all the other non-expert scientists are just hacks or shills or (gasp) non-experts.

Mumble McGuirk

Latitude says:
June 11, 2013 at 8:35 am
People in the deep south must be dropping off like flies………..
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You think there’s a little Big Apple chauvinism in that crack about the “sweltering Deep south?”
People in New Yawk think that if you travel south of the Raritan River you are suddenly in Deliverance territory and start hearing banjo music. We don’t all live in the swamp and occasionally wear a shirt under our overalls.

Ian W

As Joe Bastardi is warning that the next few years are analogue for the late 1950’s and to expect more landfalling storms along the East Coast, this is just Bloomberg in blame avoidance mode. The unsafe building in flood plains, poor building codes, lack of sea defenses (all the Mayor’s job) are not to blame it is ‘climate change’. Look I have this paper from ‘expert’ climate ‘scientists’.

Chris @NJSnowFan

Allen Watt, I feel you hit the nail right on the head.
California is starting a Scam Carbon Tax soon so this could be easy way for NY to get in the game. Start with Doom And Gloom Propaganda BS then impose the Scam Carbon Tax..
http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/06/04/congress-hates-carbon-pricing-the-rest-of-the-world-doesnt/

Chad Wozniak

How much do you want to bet that that 108-degree sign was heated?

dccowboy

I’m frankly amazed that a ‘panel of scientists’ would make a prediction about the avg temperature and the level of sea rise about a specific year (2020 1 ft sea level rise & avg temperature of 57F) with that degree of certitude. Who were these ‘scientists’? It boggles the mind that anyone with even a passing knowledge of sea level would claim that sea level will rise in any one locality by 12″ in 6.5 years.

Tom in Florida

As a former resident of southern Connecticut I can tell you that it is hotter there during heat waves in August than it is on the southwest coast of Florid, and that was many years ago. In addition, the wind would blow from the south over New Jersey and New York City picking up all the air pollution from there and dumping it in Connecticut creating an awful haze over New Haven. With only the dirty water of Long Island Sound to swim in, well, just some of the reasons I left. Perhaps the Mayor should concentrate on doing his job and leave the erroneous sea level rise predictions to the appropriate fear mongers like Gavin and Mike.

David Riser

Current temperature system for Central Park is an ASOS unit next to this castle. I would be curious to see what rating Anthony would give this setup.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Belvedere_Castle,_Central_Park.jpg#filelinks

Mike jarosz

They need to raise taxes some more to reduce the population. Why do New Yorkers retire in the south? Global Warming Volunteers. How many southerners move North when they retire? With age comes wisdom for most of us.

Did you guys see the New York Times article saying that climate change is “dominated by natural variability”? Wonder if Bloomberg saw it today.

pat

This Bloomberg fellow is a gullible fool, isn’t he?

KevinM

“should kick in as early as 2020”
The motto of banker city: IBGYBG

@njsnowfan

Seems Bloomberg’s Propaganda news is working in his favor. Twitter is lit but if they only knew what he was up to, CARBON TAX SCAM coming to NYC soon?
https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=mayor%20bloomberg&src=rela

JustMaybe

Maybe Bloombergs administration cherry picked the panel much like the fireman’s radios sole source contracts (twice) & then amazingly the radios didn’t work (a second time) on 911 when they were told to get out of the buildings.

Resourceguy

They don’t bother to go beyond stereotypes of the deep south. If they did they might encounter this news.
http://www.uaex.edu/news/may2013/0508ArkColdTomatoes.html#.UbdSrOfqmeY

Jim

I have a prediction – in the next few years, those adhering to CAGW will increase with their scary and yet completely unfounded scenarios. Since there is a cooling going on, they will feel the need to deny it by overcompensation.

Are their financial projections equally accurate and justified?

Milwaukee Bob

The only reason 108 degrees is going to become more common IN NYC is because of all the hot air coming out of people like Bloomberg.
And the “sweltering south”?? That has to be the dumbest “Eastern Snobbish” statement of all time. The same heat waves that heat the northern south “heat” the mid-west and the east coast, often with the temps being HIGHER in the north with even higher humidity’s. Florida is of course the exception – no NOT for temps, only humidity. Highest temp ever in Key West- 97, Miami- 100, Jacksonville- 103, Orlando- 101, Tampa- 99, highest ever in all of Florida- 109 IN 1931! Oh, and BTW, after a “sweltering” August day here in Florida, the temp will typically be the 70s by late evening… lots of luck with that in NYC!

“Well I am planning to retire in 5 years” “Me too” “I have 6 years left” “Next week for me” “Well lets see, that means … 2019 or 2020 should be a safe prediction date.”

@njsnowfan

Bloomberg to speak at 1:30 easter today on Climate change… Get the popcorn ready.
https://twitter.com/gothamgazette/status/344494034682781696
Anthony, http://wattsupwiththat.com is a little screwy/slow today.

Jimbo

And if it’s dry they’ll blame global warming too. When they fail they will push the earliest date to 2025 or 2030. No wonder calamastrologists love climate research. Good pay for crap results. Simply press enter and voila, a new paper is ready.

EthicallyCivil

To demonstrate the error, add the plot of CO2 vs. time… oops.

jayhd

If New York City does flood, it will make for some great fishing once the pollution is cleaned up.

Steven Groeneveld

Continuiing from @njsnowfan ‘s point the post glacial rebound not only causes a land rise in the artic and far northern lattitudes but also a compensating (for constant volume) sinking of the moderate lattitudes land masses. Such is the case of Holland which has been defending the sinking land against the encroaching sea since the dunes were breached around 1260 CE, whereas Stockholm and northern Scandinavia are rising at a phenomenal rate relative to the sea. Venice too is on sinking ground where an apparent sea level rise has been noticed for centuries. I would logically assume that New York (at a lower lattitude than northern and central Europe sits pretty centrally on a sinking zone of the post glacial rebound and a tide gauge fixed to a local ground reference would naturally show an apparent sea level rise but most, if not all) of it is the land subsiding.
The late great John Daly covered it comprehensively here http://www.john-daly.com/ges/msl-rept.htm

Chris @NJSnowFan

Blomberg to speak at 1:30 on his climate change world
https://mobile.twitter.com/NYCMayorsOffice/status/344496451998609408

Joseph Murphy

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7 says:
June 11, 2013 at 8:46 am
Let me guess — based on this alarming new report, Bloomberg wants to introduce a citywide “carbon tax” to help mitigate the effects of climate change?
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With the stupidity on display here I would say water rationing to help slow sea level rise is more appropriate.

kellyhaughton says June 11, 2013 at 9:22 am
Did you guys see the New York Times article saying that climate change is “dominated by natural variability”? Wonder if Bloomberg saw it today.

Apparent failure to synchronize messages; journolist (or equivalent) must be down today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JournoList
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Did someone said people get the governments the deserve?

Joseph Bastardi

I dont know which skit is more applicable to the nonsense here, SNL with Will Ferrel hosting Jeopardy with Sean Connery, French Stewart and Burt “Turd Ferguson” Reynolds, or Monty Pythons Upper Class Twit of the year
Look at what you see here, its across the board and it has nothing to do with reality. They bust on the lies of man caused warming and we get climate change. How about Health Care. all of us knew the premiums werent going down for people that actually pay for it. We know the data. Its a common thread with all these issues.
NYC has always been under a threat of a 1938 storm coming 100 miles west and turning the Hamptons surge into the Battery. That has been a common thread of almost every hurricane conference I attend. The have built in areas that was swamp in the 1950s. The threat was not as great in the cold amo, but with the warming, guess what, we have 5-10 years with higher than average risk.. in fact we have gotten off easy on the east coast compared to the 1950s.
I can’t tell if these people really believe what they say, are ignorant of the facts, of they know it and lie. Any way they are wrong again, yet like so many other things not weather related they dont care. They know by the time the average schmoe catches up with it, the horse is out of the barn. I hate to bring this up, but its not about science, if it was we wouldnt have driveled away 17 years of this nations chance to advance. This issue is the tip of an iceberg that will sink the nation and what you and I love most, the weather, climate, nature is being prostituted by these guys for something that has nothing to do with reality

JustMaybe says June 11, 2013 at 9:40 am
Maybe Bloombergs administration cherry picked the panel much like the fireman’s radios sole source contracts (twice) & then amazingly the radios didn’t work (a second time) on 911 when they were told to get out of the buildings.

The problem was ‘on scene’ radios carried by individual firemen meant to communicate with the other members of the squad or the on-scene commander of an incident (using simplex frequencies locally as opposed to repeaters/infrastructure ‘relay’ and support equipment, or ‘towers’ in consumer-speak) were “insufficient to the task”.
When all of Manhattan’s responders turned-out for that single ‘incident’ THAT (on scene comms) became a problem. The 800 MHz trunked systems used that day (for dispatch of fire apparatus and commander coordination, logistics, etc.) did fine, it was local-incident comms that broke down …
.

Theo Goodwin

kellyhaughton says:
June 11, 2013 at 9:22 am
“Did you guys see the New York Times article saying that climate change is “dominated by natural variability”? Wonder if Bloomberg saw it today.”
Talk of Natural Variability is now commonplace. Does anyone remember when Trenberth called for reversing the Null Hypothesis? There was a time when no Alarmist or fellow traveler would so much as consider natural variability.
WUWT deserves a large portion of the credit for bringing about this change.

Mumble McGuirk says June 11, 2013 at 8:58 am

People in New Yawk think that if you travel south of the Raritan River you are suddenly in Deliverance territory and start hearing banjo music.

More effective than a Maginot Line in keeping those ‘critters’ out of our paradise; Let’s do little to disabuse them of that notion!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maginot_Line
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And check out the max temps (Anthony’s graph is mean).
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/cgi-bin/broker?id=305801&_PROGRAM=prog.gplot_meanclim_yr2012.sas&_SERVICE=default&param=TMAX&minyear=1876&maxyear=2012
Temperatures are much lower than the 1940’s.

@njsnowfan
Ian W

So why now? Why does Tom Schelling come out now? Why does Bloomberg come out now? What is due to happen that needs the drip drip of build up?

@njsnowfan

Anyone Counting, The word Sandy must of been said over 100 times already and counting..
Propaganda conference..