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I have family duties today. In my last open thread I noted that “WUWT story submissions have been a dry hole lately”. I’m happy to report that I found out why and that wasn’t the case at all. 

It seems with the recent story submission update I did, the WordPress forms system was also updated. When I tested it, it worked fine. But, it seems a change at WordPress caused the stories to go into SPAM in my inbox, something I hadn’t noted at the time.

I actually had dozens of stories waiting. Got that under control with a new spam rule now. Some have passed their “use by date” already, and to those that submitted stories that can’t be used now, my apologies. Others have seen their submitted stories posted in the last few days since I got that corrected.

As always, you are welcome to submit a story using the link under the header.

 

 

 

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papiertigre
May 12, 2013 8:22 pm

Clean up on aisle Knight.
WUWT?

May 12, 2013 9:59 pm

Geolurking, that is eye opening! I am looking at frost for Bowling Green, KY in the morning. They tell me it was so windy this morning that there were white caps on the horse troughs.
Hoping that this is more like the 30’s than the LIA. But Vuk probably is going to be right and that leaves me wrong. Ding dang it all.

Roger Knights
May 12, 2013 10:21 pm

@papiertigre:
I submitted the above quote-collection as a story about 5 weeks ago, and Anthony responded that it would make a good comment. So that’s what I’ve done.

May 13, 2013 12:37 am

Last year there was a link to sea ice extent which fell extensively. Since the Arctic SIE increasing is probably going to be the main reason for the public rejecting AGW I feel you should put it up again and cross the fingers. On a brighter note this year I note that the DMI 30% thickness is making a nice surge sideways and with the two recent La Nina’s the sea ice melt should be a lot less [i.e. more ice] this year and the next 2 years. Hoping !

May 13, 2013 1:06 am

1phobosgrunt says:
…….
mischievous Carla, a galactic mismatch

May 13, 2013 1:37 am

Of things less galactic
There was an ‘X-rated’ solar flare this morning around 03h GMT
http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/rt_plots/Xray.gif

johnmarshall
May 13, 2013 2:26 am

i was very disappointed in your attitude on Sunday putting a stop on comments on the post about Dr Spencer and the ”slayers”. you claim to be fed up with their claims so stop discussion the very thing that you say you want between warmists and sceptics. Is your attitude not a little hypocritical?

elrica
May 13, 2013 2:52 am

Roger K, Than-Q. You brightened up my morning considerably. Some I remembered when seeing them again, some I’d never encountered, all worth reading.

papiertigre
May 13, 2013 3:53 am

Roger Knights says:
May 12, 2013 at 10:21 pm
Alright, Roger. Still think you need an editor (armed with a gas powered Echo Brand riding word wacker), but I don’t make the rules.

RockyRoad
May 13, 2013 5:50 am

I got more laughs out of Roger’s post than any before. Of course, it’s a collection of so many great posts that my response isn’t surprising. Thanks for the collection, Mr. Knights.

Coldish
May 13, 2013 6:15 am

Thanks, papiertigre (May 12, 2013 at 4:46 pm) for the video. As you probably know the bird seen to be hit by a wind turbine blade is a griffon vulture (Gyps fulvus). The incident was filmed at a windfarm on the Asterousia Range above the south coast of the island of Crete. The bird survived the incident and was hospitalised in Athens. I don’t know whether it was able to return to the wild.

papiertigre
May 13, 2013 6:51 am

Coldish says:
May 13, 2013 at 6:15 am
You’re welcome. Heart wrenching isn’t it. There’s that point when the Griffon lifts it’s head and sort of takes stock of his situation. I project myself into his thoughts. “I might be ok. Oh. Broken shoulder. Nope, I’m dead.” Then his head sags back to the ground.
There’s a note of resignation.
Good to hear he made a recovery. Even if his life is reduced to sitting on a perch in a Zoo somewhere. That can be rewarding for a bird.

beng
May 13, 2013 6:56 am

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Roger Knights says:
May 12, 2013 at 7:57 pm
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WTF?

Editor
May 13, 2013 7:08 am

ENSO meter fans, still zero:
Opening http://nomad3.ncep.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/pdisp_sst.sh?ctlfile=oiv2.ctl&ptype=ts&var=ssta&level=1&op1=none&op2=none&day=13&month=apr&year=2013&fday=13&fmonth=may&fyear=2013&lat0=-5&lat1=5&lon0=-170&lon1=-120&plotsize=800×600&title=&dir=
Found target /png/tmp/CTEST136844280130025.txt
Opening http://nomad3.ncep.noaa.gov//png/tmp/CTEST136844280130025.txt
Data file
data from 00Z13APR2013 to 00Z13MAY2013
“———-”
0.0750385
-0.0179102
0.0251388
0.0820416
-0.0200693
Length of data file 104, most recent value: -0.0200693
file_last 0.0251388
anomaly -00
Last week’s meter should have rounded up to 0.1, but apparently I missed that 0.0820416 reading last week. Looks like it wasn’t ready and I may not be retrying if an update hasn’t happened.

May 13, 2013 11:53 am

What happened to the weekly climate and energy roundup? Was it Leif and that insulting hillbilly?

Roger Knights
May 13, 2013 1:03 pm

Here’s a link to my earlier collection of quips:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/09/open-thread-weekend-17/#comment-1243960

1phobosgrunt
May 13, 2013 6:25 pm

vukcevic says:
May 13, 2013 at 1:06 am
Didn’t like the questions?
Try this one
2013 J. Phys.: Conf. Ser. 409 012237
Influence of energetic Solar Proton Events on the development of cyclonic processes at
extratropical latitudes
S Veretenenko1 and P Thejll2
Ioffe Physical-Technical Institute, Russian Academy of Sciences, Politekhnicheskaya 26, 194021 St.-Petersburg, Russia
Danish Meteorological Institute, Lyngbywei 100, Copenhagen, DK-2100, Denmark
..In the Northern hemisphere the largest cyclone deepening takes place in the North Atlantic near the south-eastern coasts of Greenland, this area being characterized by high temperature contrasts and low geomagnetic cutoff rigidities. In the Southern hemisphere most appreciable cyclone intensification was found over the Southern Ocean near the Antarctic coasts next to the South Magnetic Pole, the region is characterized by low geomagnetic cutoff rigidities and high temperature contrasts, too. The results obtained show an importance of ionization changes produced by cosmic ray variations for the mechanism of solar activity influence on the lower atmosphere circulation..
..The study revealed that the SPEs occurring in October-March are followed by a noticeable
intensification of cyclonic activity at middle latitudes of the Northern hemisphere. Figure 1 shows the
variations (departures from the mean charts over the period ±10 days relative to the key dates) of
geopotential (gp) heights of the 500 hPa level (GPH500) obtained by SPEA for 48 events. It is seen
that most pronounced pressure variations after the SPEs take place at middle latitudes. Just on the day
of the SPE onsets pressure starts sharply decreasing near the Greenland coasts, the effect is maximum
on the next day. Air outflow from cyclones deepening near Greenland results in the formation of a
height crest (an area of pressure increase) over Europe. As the cyclone development is accompanied
by the formation of an anticyclone at the cold front in its rear, simultaneously with cyclone
intensification near Greenland an area of high pressure appears over North America.
In figure 2 the GPH500 variations on the day +1 after the SPE onsets are compared with climatic
fronts in the troposphere [4] and geomagnetic cutoff rigidities R [5]. One can see several large areas of
negative and positive changes of pressure located between the climatic Arctic and Polar fronts. Indeed,
extratropical cyclogenesis usually occurs namely at these fronts. The most significant variations of
pressure seem to be associated with the Arctic fronts which bound the Arctic air mass where the polar
stratospheric vortex is formed. The Arctic fronts are in the area of low geomagnetic cutoff rigidities,
so cosmic ray particles with a broad energy range may precipitate here…
Stephen Wilde might like this one too Vuks and the Cosmic Ray boys.

1phobosgrunt
May 13, 2013 6:46 pm

On a roll for this..physical north pole, magnetic poles and geomagnetic poles.
..”Our results suggest that heating of the magnetospheric origin in the auroral region is most likely the cause of these observed longitudinal structures”..
The longitudinal variation of the daily mean thermospheric mass density
Jiyao Xu1, Wenbin Wang2, Hong Gao1
Article first published online: 30 JAN 2013
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2012JA017918/abstract;jsessionid=D5CF938308817043480575D76F217880.d01t03?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false
[1] This study uses the GRACE (Gravity Recovery And Climate Experiment) and CHAMP (CHAllenging Minisatellite Payload) accelerometer measurements from 2003 to 2008. These measurements gave thermospheric mass densities at ~480 km (GRACE) and ~380 km (CHAMP), respectively. We found that there are strong longitude variations in the daily mean thermospheric mass density. These variations are global and have the similar characteristics at the two heights under geomagnetically quiet conditions (Ap < 10). The largest relative longitudinal changes of the daily mean thermospheric mass density occur at high latitudes from October to February in the Northern Hemisphere and from March to September in the Southern Hemisphere. The positive density peaks locate always near the magnetic poles. The high density regions extend toward lower latitudes and even into the opposite hemisphere. This extension appears to be tilted westward, but mostly is confined to the longitudes where the magnetic poles are located. Thus, the relative longitudinal changes of the daily mean thermospheric mass density have strong seasonal variations and show an annual oscillation at high and middle latitudes but a semiannual oscillation around the equator.
Our results suggest that heating of the magnetospheric origin in the auroral region is most likely the cause of these observed longitudinal structures. Our results also show that the relative longitude variation of the daily mean thermospheric mass density is hemispherically asymmetric and more pronounced in the Southern Hemisphere.

1phobosgrunt
May 13, 2013 7:15 pm

And now for the answer to the question.
Is the north magnetic pole de-accelerating? Yessssss……
..”Then the motion of North pole started to decelerate to 45 km/yr in 2009. At the same time it
should be noticed that North pole began to retrace in the direction of Canada, moving northwestward as before”..
Motion of North and South magnetic poles in 2001-2009
T. Zvereva
Institute of terrestrial magnetism, ionosphere and wave propagation (IZMIRAN), Russian Academy of Science, Troitsk,
Moscow region, Russian Federation
Geophysical Research Abstracts Vol. 14, EGU2012-11236, 2012
EGU General Assembly 2012 © Author(s) 2012
http://meetingorganizer.copernicus.org/EGU2012/EGU2012-11236.pdf
We created the daily average spherical harmonic models of the main geomagnetic field (n = m = 10) with an
interval of 4 days using vector data CHAMP satellite during May 2001 – December 2009 (2001.5-2009). Using
obtained set of the models coordinates of the North and South magnetic poles (i.e. the point on the Earth’s surface
where the magnetic filed lines are vertical) were calculated. Both poles continue to move northward and westward.
North pole shifted 400 km, South pole moved 10 times slower.
Accelerated motion of the North magnetic pole stopped around year 2003, when rate of motion increased to
 62.5 km/yr. Then the motion of North pole started to decelerate to 45 km/yr in 2009. At the same time it
should be noticed that North pole began to retrace in the direction of Canada, moving northwestward as before.
This follows from the fact that during this period the rate of the pole latitude movement decreased from 58 to 35
km/yr, while the longitude speed increased from 23 to 32 km/yr. Thus, we can hope that North magnetic pole just
“wanders” and will not leave Canadian anomaly and will not reach Siberia in approximately 50 years, as predicted
earlier.

1phobosgrunt
May 13, 2013 8:37 pm

Stephen Wilde should like this as well. Now what was pushing and driving those jets ahh southward from the north and northward from the south?
Storm Time Meridional Wind Perturbations in the Equatorial Upper Thermosphere
R.A. Haaser1, R. Davidson2 R.A. Heelis1, G.D. Earle2, S. Venkatraman1, and J. Klenzing3
©2013. American Geophysical Union. All Rights Reserved.
http://www.utdallas.edu/~rhaaser/AGU_SA51B_2164_haaser.pdf
..During solar storms, perturbations to the geospace environment induce a number of changes. Excluding the effects from X-rays flares within several minutes, perturbations in the solar wind propagate toward the earth over the course of a few of days. As these unusually energetic particles arrive they travel down the magnetic field lines toward the polar ionosphere, shown in figure 1(a). Variations in high-latitude particle energy input and frictional heating in the thermosphere accompany changes in magnetic activity represented by indices such as AE, Dst, or a southward turning of the interplanetary magnetic field (IMF)1. The resulting localized heating at high latitudes is expected to redistribute over the entire global thermosphere within a few hours, shown in figure 1(b), resulting in modifications in the temperature, composition and winds2
..First storm observations by C/NOFS occur about 3-5 hours after the first southward-turning of the Bz reported by ACE/Wind, in agreement with previous studies suggesting that phase fronts in the thermosphere propagate from the polar regions toward the equator with velocities of about 500 – 800 m/s3,4,5. Evening and nighttime neutral wind perturbations in figures were noticably higher than those occurring during the day [II., IV.] .This is likely the result of stronger daytime ion density motions and gradients in the ionosphere/thermosphere system. Most of the storms are observed in the southern magnetic latitudes, except for the [IV.] Jan 2012 storm. As expected, a majority of the observed storms, demonstrated equatorward perturbations of meridional neutral winds (including the Jan 2012 storm), propagating away from the nearest magnetic pole, on the order of about 100 m/s. However, one exception to this rule was the set of [V.] Mar 2012 storms which appear to exhibit poleward flow. This storm occurs when northern magnetic pole rotates through midnight during the storm onset. Such a case is consistent with equatorward meridional winds propagating across the equator into the opposing hemisphere, similar to the model prediction by Fuller-Rowell et. al [1994].
..

T.A.
May 13, 2013 9:33 pm

I have a question regarding the issue with the slayers.
The slayers’ position is that a cooler body cannot transfer heat to a warmer body, and therefore presence of a cooler body near a warmer body would have no effect on the temperature of the warmer body. Correct?
And this has been an argument dragging on for years?
May I propose a little experiment:
Get 2 identical insulated boxes.
In box #1, place 2 objects so they are not touching:
Object A: A 2-quart jar of recently boiled water (the warmer body)
Object B: A bucket of 120 degree water (the cooler body)
In box #2, place 2 objects in same arrangement as box #1:
Object C: A 2-quart jar of recently boiled water (the warmer body)
Object D: A bucket of ice (the cooler body)
Close the boxes and leave them alone for a period of time (I’m not sure what period of time would be appropriate), then take the temperature of Objects A and C. If the slayers are right, there would be no difference in temperature, so long as A is still warmer than B, and C is still warmer than D. Because if cooler bodies have no effect on the temperature of warmer bodies, then it would make no difference how much cooler the cooler bodies were. However, if the slayers are wrong, then A will be warmer than C. Correct?
Admittedly, I have not performed this experiment myself. However, I predict that A would end up warmer than C.
I’m not a scientist, so I’m curious… in theory, would this experiment prove what I think it would, or am I mistaken?

REPLY:
Actually Dr. Spencer and I are working on an experiment, and I ran some initial tests tonight. More in a few days – Anthony

May 13, 2013 11:32 pm

Hi C
Good comments, will look-up the links.