Open thread Sunday


I have family duties today. In my last open thread I noted that “WUWT story submissions have been a dry hole lately”. I’m happy to report that I found out why and that wasn’t the case at all. 

It seems with the recent story submission update I did, the WordPress forms system was also updated. When I tested it, it worked fine. But, it seems a change at WordPress caused the stories to go into SPAM in my inbox, something I hadn’t noted at the time.

I actually had dozens of stories waiting. Got that under control with a new spam rule now. Some have passed their “use by date” already, and to those that submitted stories that can’t be used now, my apologies. Others have seen their submitted stories posted in the last few days since I got that corrected.

As always, you are welcome to submit a story using the link under the header.




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May 12, 2013 1:51 pm

Watching BBC2 program about Richard Feynman, some other guy just said, everything from quantum mechanics, biology to the stars everything is based on electromagnetism.
Would you like story on this?
No hypothesis just calculations.

May 12, 2013 1:58 pm

Is it just me, or is the recent newscast of correspondent Chelsea Clinton’s interview with the Geico gecko any evidence of possible reptilian ancestry ? ? ?
or a reoccurring theme of bold creativity in the main stream media ? ? ?

May 12, 2013 2:00 pm

I would like to recommend the book ‘Eco-Fascism,’ by Elizabeth Nickson.

May 12, 2013 2:05 pm

I am watching the programme at the moment and heard the comment and immediately thought of you. Great programme.

May 12, 2013 2:15 pm

vukcevic says:
May 12, 2013 at 1:51 pm
..everything from quantum mechanics, biology to the stars everything is based on electromagnetism.
Would you like story on this?
No hypothesis just calculations.
Are you sure that he didn’t say that everything begins (starts) with electro-magnetism, electric fields.
That SSN/ LOD thingy should be a given.
Sort of have a question. One of those kind that start with IF..
IF for over a third of the 20th century had higher end (not on the floor) Solar Cycles and the north magnetic pole began picking up speed (65km? per year), how much lag time will it take before it slows back down to its earlier speed of 15km per year. Is it slowing down yet???

May 12, 2013 2:16 pm

So is it 97% of 77 “actively publishing climate scientists” or 36% of 1077 geoscientists and engineers?
I checked to see if this study had been posted before, but it appeared not to have been. Apologies if it has.

May 12, 2013 2:51 pm

I just discovered if you press the shift key while shutting down Windows XP then the “hibernate” option appears.

May 12, 2013 2:58 pm

Family Duties… on Mother’s Day 🙂
Happy Mothers Day to the moms who frequent WUWT…
I made the mistake of leaving the card to last. The only 3 cards they had at WalMart were “Niece”, “Like a Daughter”, and “Stepmother”. And even those were almost gone!

May 12, 2013 3:03 pm

This came out on Friday but was overshadowed by other acts of public treachery.
Companies won’t face charges in condor deaths from the Los Angeles Times.
The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service grants exceptions to a wind farm and a building project in harassing or killing the endangered birds.
Federal wildlife officials took the unprecedented step Friday of telling private companies that they will not be prosecuted for inadvertently harassing or even killing endangered California condors.
In a decision swiftly condemned by conservationists and wildlife advocates, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service said operators of Terra-Gen Power’s wind farm in the Tehachapi Mountains will not be prosecuted if their turbines accidentally kill a condor during the expected 30-year life span of the project.

May 12, 2013 3:19 pm

papeirtigre, your quote made me laugh…

accidentally kill A condor

As if… one…. they might, “accidentally”, kill one. Just one. A single condor, MIGHT be killed in 30 years. Sure.

May 12, 2013 3:24 pm

papiertigre – I found it interesting that the decision was “swiftly condemned by conservationists and wildlife advocates”. Is it possible that we here at WUWT are too quick to condemn conservationists and wildlife advocates for not protesting about the killing of birds by windfarms, when the conservationists are in fact suffering from the same problem as those who are sceptical of CAGW – namely the way that some things just don’t seem to be able to get into the MSM?
[I’m not stating that it is the case, but I’m putting it forward as an idea worth investigating].

May 12, 2013 3:33 pm

1phobosgrunt says:
Sort of have a question. One of those kind that start with IF.
About misconceptions regarding the Northern Hemisphere’s magnetic pole.
– There are two centres of magnetic intensity in the NH, one to the west of Hudson Bay and the other in the central Siberia.
These locations have been more or less stationary since 1600’s (based on the compass historic data). What has changed is their relative intensity. (note reversed scale)
The Hudson Bay’s leg has been loosing while the Siberian gaining in the strength, currently Siberia is 4-5% stronger.
See also
– To add further to the confusion there is large difference in what a compass ‘dip-needle’ or a magnetograph see on the surface(e.g. ‘magnetic pole’, red dots), and what solar wind and geomagnetic storms see (magnetic dipole, blue dots)
the aurora oval
is cantered on location of the dipole’s pole.
– Finally, the Earth magnetic field since 1990’s has become noticeable lopsided, most of its strength now is to be found in the Eastern hemisphere.

May 12, 2013 3:33 pm

City of Toronto
3:33 PM EDT Sunday 12 May 2013
Frost warning for
City of Toronto issued
Freezing temperatures and patchy frost expected tonight with widespread frost Monday night.
A very cold air mass moving over the regions will give low temperatures of zero or minus one tonight across the regions. There will initially be very windy conditions this evening as the temperatures drop however frost in the form of ice crystals forming on the ground will be only patchy due to the persistent winds. The ground temperatures will eventually reach the freezing mark late this evening or by midnight and even though light westerly breeze may limit frost from forming there is still the significant threat to sensitive plants. There may also be a centimetre or two of snowfall accumulation through Grey-Bruce, Barrie and east of Georgian Bay rapidly bringing the ground temperatures to the freezing mark.
On Monday night a classic plant-killing widespread frost will form on the ground due to the cold air in place giving freezing temperatures and due to winds becoming light under clear skies.

May 12, 2013 3:50 pm

Happy Mother’s Day to all the WUWT moms. Now for something completely funny. To all the fishing fanatics who take their dogs. Scent hounds especially, there’s something about scent hounds rolling in smelly stuff. Beavers erect scent mounds in spring to mark off their territory. My beagle has had two baths and I’m still trying to get rid of the awful smell. So I did some looking around about the subject.
Then I came across this hilarious item about how humans also use funny ways and scents to stake a claim. Absolutely funny, something similar actually happened to me. Enjoy

May 12, 2013 3:56 pm

I love birds / bats because they are beautiful and they eat bugs and rodents (pests) then crap out wonderful fertilizer for nature.. Out with the bad and in with the good.. Windmills commit wholesale slaughter (on a epic scale) on these creatures.. They have clean up crews to remove the bodies..
We not talking about run off, more like chopped in half or bludgeoned to death.. You know so obvious that a drooling idiot could see that this is a bad idea… Guys.. er.. I had to clean up like 200 birds yesterday???.. that was before lunch 🙁
Yet they fine the oil company 750 000 dollars for three birds killed in a trailing pond ( Im Canadian).
I have to say.. Who are they to say, whats green or not when all I can see is red!
Now Im upset..

May 12, 2013 4:12 pm

Since CO2 spreads the heat more evenly and since wind speed is proportional to temperature difference not absolute temperatures CO2 should make storms milder !
Remember the fastest winds in the solar system are on Neptune where it is almost absolute zero !

May 12, 2013 4:36 pm

Moon atmosphere has CO2 concentration of 5000 ppm!
Must be all those lunar coal-fired power plants….

May 12, 2013 4:40 pm

@ Mike Jonas says:
May 12, 2013 at 3:24 pm
I don’t think there is a conflict between the WUWT community, and actual conservationists and wildlife advocates.
It’s the crooks and cretins pushing the CO2 will cause Nemo to die in an acid bath ocean that we are against.
The guys trying to keep condors and grey wolves alive, are probably just as frustrated by the heavy handed censorship of the global warming spin merchants, as we are.
If you click through to the Times article there are a few names which might be worth persuing.
No substitute for getting the story straight from the source.
Adam Keats, from the Center for Biological Diversity, is partially quoted as saying,
“We’re talking about perhaps one of the most endangered species on the planet, let alone in this country. So, the Obama administration said loud and clear today” … The Reporter cut him off at that point. Might be worth a follow up email to see what Mr. Keats really said.
And Daniel Burnett, treasurer of Kerncrest Audubon says – “I can’t believe the federal government is putting so much money into a historic and costly effort to establish a stable population of condors, and at the same time is issuing permits to kill them. Ludicrous.”
He has a point. This Obama exemption for windfarms to kill condors, eagles, and other species is being extended to which ever wind farm applies for permission.
A carpet clearing get out of jail free card for windmill crooks to commit genocide on condors.

May 12, 2013 4:46 pm

May 12, 2013 5:18 pm

Then and now…

In either 1729 or 1730 a snowstorm visited Scotland, in which about twenty thousand sheep and many shepherds were lost – “by a single day’s snow.”

A Chronological Listing of Early Weather Events 6th ed James A. Marusek

Snow storm: Sheep death toll reaches 20,000
More than 20,000 sheep were lost in the recent snow blizzard, and it may be next month before all the dead animals are found and counted.
The Little Ice Age, according to NASA, “defines the term as a cold period between AD 1550 and AD 1850”

May 12, 2013 5:55 pm

I’m glad to see some are starting to hunt down the facts concerning wind turbines killing birds. The problem is that some environmentalists have a bad rap, after undue fuss about things such as the “snail darter,” and now they are like the boy who cried wolf: People roll their eyes when they warn about missing condors and whooping crane.
I touched upon this in a long-winded essay called For The Birds”
I talk a little about how a teenager out hunting, who sees a new sort of bird and shoots it unaware whooping crane have been reintroduced in his marshes, gets in more trouble than a corporation which has obtained a ITP. (” ‘ITP’ stands for “Incidental Take Permit.” What it means is that if you build a wind turbine right where it will kill a whooping crane, and it kills a whooping crane, you cannot be fined, and you face no jail time.”)
However the link I put in that essay really grabs the bull by the horns:
This essay talks about stuff like gag orders, where turbine operators are not allowed to even say how many birds are killed. And so on. It seems like old school environmentalism, but rather than Big Oil as the “bad guy” it is Big Turbines.
The hype needs to be separated from the facts. Unfortunately the mainstream media is not up to the job. Therefore it is up to you and I, and sites like WUWT.

May 12, 2013 6:22 pm

papiertigre, that was a horrible video. Thanks for posting it. Painful as it is to watch, it demonstrates what a lot of wind turbine believers refuse to acknowledge.
As I’ve said many times, I live on a lake. I love wild birds. We get Herons, Mallards, Loons, Osprey (love watching them dive and come out with a fish!), Eagles, Owls, Canada Geese, Mergansers, and many more. The swimmers love the lake and the non-swimmers love the shore.
People who willingly put up devices to slice, dice, and club these beautiful creatures out of the sky should have the same done to them. Denying that this is happening is not an option, as that video demonstrates. (Note in the video there was already one bird on the tower)

May 12, 2013 6:58 pm

The raptor issue exposes the complete hypocrisy of the ‘green’ movement. They could easily reverse the bird blender decision if they really wanted to, by having millions of their dues-paying members write letters and call their represenatives.
But they are not doing that, because they’ve been co-opted.
Along those lines, here is a good Lord Monckton article that shows where we are headed.

May 12, 2013 7:43 pm

vukcevic says:
May 12, 2013 at 3:33 pm
– There are two centres of magnetic intensity in the NH, one to the west of Hudson Bay and the other in the central Siberia.
Wonder if that intensity increase in central Siberia, is due to several med high ‘consecutive’ solar cycles.
vukcevic says:
May 12, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Would you like story on this?
Would you do a story on this?
Wouldn’t LOD changes occur sooner on planets further out from the sun?
Did the Voyager 1 finally make it into interstellar space because the heliosphere’s bubble is continuing to shrink?
And what about relationship of solar cycle and Arctic Oscillation going from positive phase near max and negative phase near min? What happens to the AO when we are in a perpetual solar minimum?
thanks Mr. Vuks..

May 12, 2013 7:57 pm

WUWT Wit #2:
On March 9 I posted a collection of quips by WUWTers at I promised I’d follow up with a second post consisting of longer humorous items. Here they are.
Bob Layson says: March 17, 2013 at 5:41 am
. . . Shakun (et pal).
Paul in Sweden says: November 24, 2011 at 6:11 pm
Johnnythelowery says: December 4, 2011 at 9:56 am
Caleb says: December 15, 2011 at 7:04 pm
If you can’t stand the heat, don’t sell your soul to the devil.
Sundance says: December 31, 2011 at 9:47 am
rabid response teams
Hilary Ostrov writes via email:
This report shows the David and Goliath relationship between HI and BigGreen
Monckton’s Schenectady showdown
Posted on March 10, 2012 by Anthony Watts
“Greens too yellow to admit they’re really Reds”
UK Sceptic says: October 12, 2011 at 11:02 pm
These deluded fools are obviously suffering from intellectually degenerative red/green colour blindness.
Charles Gerard Nelson says: March 19, 2012 at 2:51 am
The Green Guard are getting ready to take us all on their ‘Great Leap Backwards’.
malcolm says: August 1, 2011 at 1:28 pm
the Khmer Vert don’t approve of nuclear.
Robert of Ottawa says: March 17, 2012 at 12:51 pm
97% of Cardinals agree with the Pope.
Pamela Gray says: March 22, 2012 at 4:19 pm
“Next time, ask the writer to send words instead of letters.”
John Blake says: March 26, 2012 at 8:33 am
It’s not easy being gangrene.
Hot World Syndrome
someone else:
Irritable Climate Syndrome
Budgenator says: May 21, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Have these people all gone to the same Looniversty?
Jeremy Poynton says: May 27, 2012 at 4:42 am
he is yet another extremist (Climate Jihadist, copyright me)
mydogsgotnonose says: June 24, 2012 at 3:24 pm
hro001 says: October 17, 2012 at 8:37 pm
you might wish to consider Eduardo Zorita’s recent coinage “climate hypochondriacs”:
j ferguson says: October 23, 2012 at 3:29 pm
PoOC, Thanks for “fact molester” a really useful phrase.
vigilantfish (18:20:02) : Mirosalv PavlÌček (10:25:29) :
I love your terminology – calling the AGW catastrophists the Carbonari is brilliant – has a kind of police-state ring to it, plus being short
“How about “CARBONISTAS,” a term I’ve seen a few times to describe the moral crusaders out to ensure our compliance with their standards of behavior.”
Calamitologist John K. Sutherland (08:40:19)
Anecdata! I luv it! The foundation of the New House of Climatology. Trootherism!.
JohnH says: March 26, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Pamela Gray (17:04:34) :
It’s weather stupid. IWS. My new tag line.
Weather vain
Mr Water-Melon says: August 16, 2011 at 1:23 am
So what? When it snows, that’s due to climate change too. Or are you a climacaust denier?
Mike Bromley the Canucklehead says: November 8, 2012 at 10:05 pm
“Sophisticated” climate models? How robust. Tweaky-tweaky, climate-speaky.
Ian Cooper:
Reading all of the rants from the Cagwars (my term for the warmistas)
janama says: June 9, 2010 at 10:16 am
Staffan Lindstrˆm says: August 20, 2010 at 3:10 am
Did you get my pun about the outliers being outliars???
AGW (Alarmists Gone Wild, thanks Russ.)
When the do goobers go wild, people die.
AGW is Anthropogenic Global Wreligion.
Foxgoose says:
Pull My Finger says: February 4, 2011 at 9:51 am
Global Warming is a rounding error.
Phil’s Dad [March 7, 2011 at 5:36 pm] says:
“We need a new Schwindler’s list.”
Stephen Richards:
You appear to have been brainwashed by the greenie beenies
RichyRoo2011 says: August 29, 2011 at 6:16 pm
Calling it a hurricane is just an alarmist dog whistle.
Pierre Gosselin (01:29:38) :
At least the weather girls are getting hotter…
Ed Fix:
The only thing we can say with certainly about paradigm is, “Shift happens”.
Stefan says: December 14, 2010 at 1:33 am
So here’s what “settled” means: “we stopped thinking”.
Al Gored says: December 6, 2010 at 11:42 pm
Hmmm. How about just calling it “Kookun”? It sounds like cocoon, which seems to fit their insulation from reality
Latimer Alder says:
December 6, 2010 at 1:00 am
climate modelers meddellers …
Douglas says: December 7, 2010 at 4:09 pm
If you believe the crap in your reference the only thing green about your post is the writer.
jackhbarnesjr (18:05:01) :
I like the term÷
Robustly Wrong
for The Team’s new motto..
Philip Foster (15:18:44) :
I wish they’d stop saying the basic science is robust. It isn’t robust it’s plain bust.
Wayne Findley (13:22:19) :
Good thread, chaps and chapesses.
Punksta | February 17, 2011 at 6:10 am
So why have government efforts to combat AGW so far been so feeble?
Too many eyes in the electorate, not enough wool.
JEyon says: August 17, 2011 at 7:50 pm
“blockade runner” n. (new slang) scientists who get their heretical articles past the peer review hostiles and into publication.
@F. Ross
izen, et al ad nausaum:
AGW theory hypothesis conjecture wild speculation
Climate science is arm waving through computers at hummingbird speed.
mark wagner says: October 9, 2011 at 2:17 pm
So far my neighbor’s dog has created more “shovel-ready jobs” than this administration.
Scarface says: December 23, 2012 at 5:37 pm
IPCC: Ignorant Projections based on Computer Crap
James Sexton:
Related thoughts……. I don’t have to be a pitcher in order to be an umpire.
Steve from rockwood says: November 7, 2011 at 7:20 pm
Symptom: faster fish.
Cause: too much research money.
Mark ro says: November 7, 2011 at 5:45 pm
I thought the saying was “I see, said the blind man to his deaf daughter over the disconnected telephone, as he picked up his hammer and saw.”
alcuin says: April 3, 2011 at 8:52 pm
You have to remember that, as pointed out by Dr. Pangloss, we live in the best of all possible worlds, so any change would detract from it.
rbateman says: November 6, 2010 at 6:01 am
No matter how many times you pound nails into rotten wood, it’s still structurally unsound.
Baa Humbug (03:08:02) :
The IPCC may have a defence in that their brief was never to study climate, but man’s effects on climate.
“The climate is warming, we can only deduce that it’s CO2 that’s doing it”.
What about Clouds and WV?
“We don’t know enough about those so it can’t be them”.
What about the sun?
“We don’t know enough……..”
What about the oceans?
“We don’t………….”
“What about aerosols?
“we don’t………….”
Well what the hell do you know?
“It was CO2 what dunn it”
Wilky says: March 29, 2011 at 6:35 pm
Global Warmists: “The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!”
Public: “No it’s not.”
Global Warmists: “The sky is rapidly descending, the sky is rapidly descending!!!”
Public: “No it’s not.”
Global Warmists: “The sky is getting closer, the sky is getting closer!!!”
Public: “No, it’s not!”
Global Warmists: “What, are you deaf?”
Mr Lynn says: March 29, 2011 at 9:29 pm
“Alarm them!”
“Alarm them!”
. . . .
“Dammit, why aren’t they alarmed?”
by Cognitive Dissonance on Sun, 03/20/2011 – 21:39
Kool-Aid withdrawal is said to be worse than coming down from a year-long bender dancing with the meth goddess. Hang in there brother, once the head clears and the hands stop shaking, MSM never does look the same again. However, for the first few weeks it’s OK to flip on CNN, but only for 5 minutes every 12 hours. After 2 weeks, it’s cold turkey for you.
Of course, you could always take up drinking. I hear it’s safer.
AusieDan says: March 25, 2011 at 3:16 am
I think that I have a last worked it out.
I thought that the whole world had gone mad.
I now realise that I have caught a serious virus.
I am unconscious and having a terrible nightmare.
I will soon wake up and the world will be rational again.
All that global waaaaaaaaaarming ho-ha is just part of my horrible dream.
charles nelson says: October 25, 2010 at 3:03 pm
‘…rare earth isotopes…. water mass tracer…you can tell where the water mass has formed…. microscopic fish teeth….we’re getting a signal that looks very much like the southern ocean….’
‘Hey…wake up…wake up!’
‘You were talking in your sleep.’
‘What was I saying?’
‘Dunno…sounded like complete bollocks to me.’
ZT says: February 7, 2011 at 2:36 pm
Statistically, about 1 in 100 lawyers are thrown out of their profession during their careers, about 1 in 100 doctors, etc. Fortunately, no climatologist has ever been disciplined.
Q. Why is it that climatologists are so much better than the other professional classes?
A. All climatologists have been exonerated by 3 independent inquiries (at a minimum).
roger says: January 6, 2011 at 1:21 pm
Now remind me, how long did Prince Charles say we had to save the planet? And our ex-Prime Minister, the invisible man, Gordon Brown?
Never mind the planet, Central England is doing OK, Jack! And if Global Warming is real, we’ll just fire up all those propellers and relocate latitudinally. That is the master plan isn’t it? No one really believes they are for producing electricity, do they?
Re: Stern Report unacknowledged revision:
Richard (13:36:08) :
They fudged the data, fudged the score
When it didn’t add up, they fudged some more
The seas will rise, the winds will roar
Floods and waves will ravage the shore
Just sell the doom to those silly men
But if challenged, simply divide by ten
Mike D:
Explaining the science isn’t going to sway trolls like GM. He thinks the oceans are going to boil away into outer space and the Earth will dry up like a prune. That’s not rational, not even close to rational. Cogent explanations, with or without the math, don’t stick in such cases.
wikeroy says: July 6, 2012 at 1:14 pm
I think Doomsday-Particle is a better name. When it hits a brain (no, not a brane, a brain), the amount of dark matter inside the brain will increase.
Dark Matter tends to feed on dark ideas. Doomsday ideas. There will be a population bomb. The planet has a fever. It will cook. There will be malaria everywhere. Animals shrink. Ice melts. It will rain a lot. It will be droughts. Snow, hurricanes, you name it.
The only way to cure it, is to buy Dark Credits. I have opened up the only legal transaction-website for it, world wide. The World Wide Dark Credit bank. WWDC. Hurry up and buy before it is too late!
Rob says: June 1, 2012 at 5:30 am
We need a Union of Unconcerned Scientists, or if not that, then a Union of Indifferent Scientists, where scientific results are accepted on a non-emotional basis.
The “concerned” guys just don’t sound like they are fit to do science, they are simply paralyzed by fear, doomsday is everywhere, every study is panic and worse than the study before that.
What is the difference between a bed wetter and a climate scientist?
A bed wetter wees alone.
Gene Nemetz (12:03:12) :

Obvious explanation (09:22:20):
But gavin says we’re taking this out of context…..

No, no, no, we’re getting it in context. We’re just not getting it in his context.

KnR says: December 13, 2010 at 6:36 am
No problem as the models allow for this, in fact those AGW models allow for anything you like. With the possible exception of ‘rain of frogs’ but I understand the ‘team’ is working on that one too.
R. de Haan says: December 3, 2010 at 6:50 am
Vicki Pope can’t get to Cancun, too much snow!

Ripper says: December 8, 2010 at 4:19 am
“mmmmm If this weird phenomenon happens one more time, I will have to rethink my atheism.”

Me too! There seems to be a lot of what Adam Smith called the “invisible hand” around lately:
• CAGW getting a head of steam before a 100 yr solar minimum occurring
• Copenhagen frozen in.
• Murray Darling scheme hidden until after the election, and then bulk rain.
• And now the Gore effect in Cancun.
Every time something like this occurs I exclaim “There is a God”
Pops says: December 18, 2010 at 2:24 am
Snow? What snow? As that great philosopher, Homer Simpson, often says, “Let’s never talk of that again.”
Beth Cooper says: November 5, 2011 at 11:16 pm
Oh the rate of warmin’s slowin’
And the skepticism’s growin’
And the snow it keeps on snowin’
And the data it is showin’
Which way the wind is blowin….
pat says: February 28, 2012 at 10:26 pm
When the cold wind blows it will turn your head around.
–James Taylor
Roger Knights: The warm is turning.
jorgekafkazar says: December 2, 2010 at 2:58 pm

Grumpy old Man says: “…The whole point of a religion is that its rationale allows for all eventualities.”

And for Inquisitions. And Indulgences. And self-Righteousness. And extra Commandments. And altering Scripture, to make it fit better with current dogma.
ExWarmist says: February 24, 2012 at 3:51 am

Peter Wardle says:
February 24, 2012 at 12:57 am
And the empirical evidence is where exactly? If the science community is so good at communicating the AGW hypothesis why is the sceptical community expanding so rapidly?

Some possible answers…
[1] It’s all the dastardly denier ca$$$h at Heartland, it may only be $6.5M per year – but it sure is effective!!!
[2] Sceptics are cheap? (Warmists require $Millions and beach front mansions before they will shill…)
[3] Warmists keep on polishing the message, but for some reason, they just can’t get rid of the odour of what they are selling.
Anoneumouse says: October 18, 2012 at 10:16 am

Jimmy Haigh says: October 18, 2012 at 8:40 am
“As we say in Scotland: “Ye cannae polish a turd!””.

So true, but you can roll it in glitter

WJohn says: October 18, 2012 at 10:44 am
Ye cannae polish a turd . . . .

Roger Knights:
But you can polish a pebble. That’s what colleges are for.
(Blogs are for rough diamonds.)
Follow the Money says: May 29, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Epoxology? Tolstoy nailed it long ago:

“I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives.”

John R says: June 29, 2012 at 12:02 pm
We, the average population of the planet have just missed an opportunity. We could have taken those 45,000 delegates at the Rio+20 gabfest and put them on a suitable island and told them, “Don’t tell us how to live a sustainable life, Show us.” That could have an interesting outcome. Either we, or they, could learn a lot in a couple of years.
William McClenney says: May 24, 2012 at 9:30 pm
My favorite cartoon of all time, from memory (if someone can find it, I would be grateful), is Ziggy, facing 3 vending machines. The one on the left says “Truth, twenty five cents” (or some such), the one in the middle says “The Whole Truth, 50 cents” (or some such), and the one on the right says “The Truth, The Whole Truth, and Nothing But The Truth, a buck” (or some such).
Ziggy, our hero, is seen to be scratching his head………
Keith Minto says: February 21, 2012 at 8:57 pm
I read that article from Megan McCardle in the Atlantic, and the last part of that quote stuck in my mind.

“After you have convinced people that you fervently believe your cause to be more important than telling the truth, you’ve lost the power to convince them of anything else.”

Concise and apt.
Lew Skannen says: December 31, 2011 at 5:33 pm
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DirkH says:
January 8, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Oh good, more bad news. Natural patterns disturbed, very bad, that means more funding, and that’s good. It’s probably unethical to disturb a natural pattern, hey, make that a crime against humanity. Even when it’s good for humanity.
Phil, we have a PR problem…
Bart says: February 16, 2012 at 2:31 pm

Doug Cotton says: February 16, 2012 at 1:38 pm
It just isn’t physics..”

Yes, it is. But, explaining it to you has been like explaining the Monty Hall Problem to those not conversant in probability and statistics. They are just sure the odds are 50/50, and they think by repeating it over and over, they will sway me to their side.
Tom FP (01:02:59) :
How can the writer of such an excellent piece ruin it by ìf the public loses faith in that claim, then the situation of science in our society will be altered for the worse.? It’s like the thirteenth stroke of a clock – casting doubt on every earlier chime!
Craig Loehle Posted Jul 8, 2011 at 1:41 PM
There is a joke:
Q: “How many Psychologists does it take to screw in a light bulb?”
A: “Only 1, but the light bulb has to want to change.”
It isn’t hard to understand, but you have to want to understand it.
Mark Twang says: October 22, 2010 at 2:14 am
But, they all scream, “something must be done!”
I suggest “they” all stand on their heads and wiggle their toes at the sky. Or stand on opposite sides of the planet and jump up and down in an alternating rhythm.
Just don’t require the rest of us to lose sleep, tax ourselves into an early grave, or pretend to “care” about their Gaian cult.
Roger Knights:
100 years ago, alarmists (usually people in a moral panic about something or other) were shouting, “For Gawd’s sake, do something!” H.G. Wells called them “Gawdsakers,” a term that had a brief vogue back then.
JRR Canada says: October 21, 2010 at 8:39 pm
What else is Bradley going to do? The AWG emperor is exposed as naked and pretty ugly to boot. Damn right he is gonna kick and scream that we are too stupid to understand how pretty the imaginary clothes are.
Lance says: April 3, 2012 at 5:05 am
The emperor has no clothes.
Of course he has been strutting around naked for years now.
Hopefully Mr Frank’s work will help to increase the laughter in the crowd until the old fellow retreats in embarrassment.
D.J. Hawkins says:
March 15, 2013 at 2:46 pm
The two most common questions in heaven:
“What are you doing here?”
“Where’s old so-and-so?” 😉
Oscar Bajner says:
March 17, 2013 at 10:41 am
You have to feel terribly sorry for the poor innocent data.
“We perturb the data ten thousand times using clips from Herbie-goes-to-Monte-Carlo. While the data are recovering we teleport them upside down to a previous era, using a time machine built from a Delorean and an electric toothbrush. Actually, the science is really simple”
Darren Potter says: December 12, 2012 at 9:03 pm

D Böehm says: “Here is a chart with a normal y-axis. Not so scary, eh?”

Flatline. Somebody pronounce it. AGW is dead. Time of death 12-12-.2012
The AGW debate is OVER! 🙂
rubati says: November 29, 2011 at 7:44 am
“A clarification is not to make oneself clear. It is to put oneself in the clear.”
Sir Humphrey Appleby in “Yes, Prime Minister”
Hector M. says: November 29, 2011 at 7:12 am
Trying to clarify an issue often makes it darker.
Chuck Nolan says: November 4, 2011 at 6:52 am
So Alan, we’ve stopped talking about global warming and climate change. It’s now that we have “some effect on the environment.”
Moving targets are more difficult to hit
-Boy, being a skeptic is hard.
you are missing the distinction between established science, and Establishment Science™. Here on WUWT we rail against the second, and know which of the two (C)AGW really is.
Colin says: March 17, 2013 at 12:00 am
Or are we really expected to believe the changes they made/mistakes/corrections just somehow completely coinkydinkily made an its-worse-than-we-thought hockey stick? Seriously?

Gunga Din says: December 23, 2012 at 2:17 pm
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is losing traction because “Ma Gaia” isn’t cooperating and they know it.

Roger Knights: Here’s the epigraph to a shocking 1960s sci-fi novel, You Sane Men:
This I know: Mother Nature is a maniac.
ntesdorf says: December 23, 2012 at 1:40 pm
The audience is leaving the theatre and the curtain should be coming down on the CAGW comedy-thriller quite soon, for the last time, after very disappointing reviews. The plot was bad and the acting was worse.
ROM says: December 18, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Can anybody remember those past days of “global warming” glory when “the science was settled” beyond dispute and no doubts or questions from the Skeptics or Deniers would be entertained?
Wagathon | November 20, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
“Environmental management is characterized by the application of hypothetical solutions to imaginary problems.”
~Walter Starck
mike seward says: July 4, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Strap yourselves in ladies and gentlemen as we re-enter the realitysphere. Things will be a bit bumpy for the next couple of years as bits of AGW theory hit the fuselage but, being essentially intellectual origami and not your actual eagles, turkeys or even chickens, there is no substantive risk.
At some stage there will be reputational innards and lots of feathers all over the place when the penny drops for the mainstream media and then the general public terminate their suspension of disbelief. It will not be pretty but the schadenfreude will be mesmerising. Forget Chappaquiddick, forget Weiner, forget Arnie and his Shrivergate, hell forget Michael Jackson. This will be the real thing.
Disko Troop says: August 3, 2011 at 3:12 pm
I think it is time that the “Warmista Apologia” was standardised to save them time and effort. Perhaps we could start with:
1. More research is needed, send grant money to the following address……..
2.Our observations are obviously in need of data processing/adjusting/smoothing (choose one) as they do not agree with the model.
3 Our results in no way, shape or form contradict the facts of AGW in spite of not being in agreement with any of them.
Anyone have any suggestions?
RobW says: September 20, 2011 at 1:27 pm
“Could we have some observational data that backs this claim?”
Data, we don’t need no stinkin data!!!!!!!!!!!
Al Gormless says: November 1, 2011 at 5:37 am
Here’s my theory on the charade of climate ‘science’, which for me is the only remaining logical option:
This whole bunch of research isn’t actually about monitoring the boring old climate & weather (only the British are interested in that); it is actually a big experiment on the wider public as a longitudinal study of gullibility.
Its objectives are to see how far it can stretch logic and reason to encourage people to part with their cash, and what the tipping point is for public trust in pseudo-science and being told ‘facts’ secondhand without bothering to spend 10 mins looking for themselves.
Derren Brown showed this with his recent episode of ‘The Experiments’, where we are the duped audience and the climate is the story which we are made to believe we control.
John West says: February 18, 2012 at 6:34 am
A half eaten cookie found on Christmas morning is consistent with having been visited by Santa Claus.
Can you name something that wouldn’t be “consistent with” the CAGW hypothesis?
John West says: December 21, 2011 at 1:54 pm
A banana peel left on my kitchen counter is consistent with an escaped gorilla being loose in my house, yet for some reason I still think one of the kids/grandkids just didn’t throw it away.
Gregory says: March 23, 2012 at 7:58 am
Perhaps she will take up this cause stop DHMO polution.
Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is a colorless and odorless chemical compound, also referred to by some as Dihydrogen Oxide, Hydrogen Hydroxide, Hydronium Hydroxide, or simply Hydric acid. Its basis is the highly reactive hydroxyl radical, a species shown to mutate DNA, denature proteins, disrupt cell membranes, and chemically alter critical neurotransmitters. The atomic components of DHMO are found in a number of caustic, explosive and poisonous compounds such as Sulfuric Acid, Nitroglycerine and Ethyl Alcohol.
Jonathan Smith says: August 3, 2012 at 8:56 pm
If only the current crop of AGW climate scientists could be spread amongst all of the scientific disciplines. Their ability to grasp such a phenomenally complex system as the Earth’s climate, and make highly accurate predictions into the far future, surely means that they can figure out anything. Disperse them properly and by my reckoning the whole of science should be sewn up within 5 yrs (to at least 6 decimal places).
Latimer Alder says: October 23, 2010 at 1:27 pm

Please stop publishing your methods and data so that ordinary people can follow the arguments. It gives real climate scientists a bad name and brings the field into disrepute.

You are not a real climate scientist, so butt out of our private discussions. You know nothing, and we know where you live.
steven hoffer says: November 30, 2010 at 7:31 pm
Start the burner under that smoke stack, dam that river, bridge that gap. push back the night. You might wonder why these fools are trying to let the outdoors back in, when we’ve spent our entire history trying to keep the outdoors out.
wws says: December 13, 2010 at 6:54 am
(news item: $100 billion fund created to aid developing countries, source of funds to yet to be determined)
I hereby announce the creation of a fund which will pay every poster on Watt’s Up With That a Million dollars a year! I think everyone will be with me on that!!!
Now where will the money come from? Oh, that’s not important, who needs to plan that far ahead? Let’s just cheer what a good agreement we have made!!!! It’ll all work out if we just believe hard enough, right?
fly, tinkerbell, fly!!!
For some reason, this whole debate calls to mind the old story about the First Mate on a tramp steamer who inspected the log to find that the captain, who had stood the last watch, had entered “First Mate drunk.” Recalling that he had, indeed been a little tipsy, but feeling that his drunkenness was neither so severe nor so frequent as to merit a log entry, he took umbrage. At the end of his watch, he duly wrote in the log “Captain sober”.
vigilantfish says: January 6, 2011 at 2:56 pm
Well, it is a stereotype that the Brits obsess about the weather and it is their ‘national’ topic of conversation. Who would have believed that they could so successfully export their focus, politicize it, and then make it so entrancingly, if painfully, interesting? If only so many people were not being hurt by this!
“Climate AGW Skeptic blinded by Cynicism and mistrust.
Does it matter?”

Blinded! Oh no!
I thought it was just dark in here!

JimB :
Yes, it matters greatly.
thingadonta says: January 28, 2011 at 11:50 pm
Trouble with predicting the future is that people can soon find out if you’re wrong, or if you change your mind, or if you cover up what you’ve said.
Once ideological expediency sets in, information is manipulated to the point where the manipulators no longer know when they are lying, but with the future people soon find out who has succumbed to ideological expediency.
I don’t know the exact quote, but it’s one of my favourites:
“No person (or organisation) can wear two faces, without eventually not being able to tell which is which”.
Alan Clark says: March 24, 2011 at 6:48 pm
I simply can’t do the detailed scientific scrutiny that you guys do. I’m just not qualified. What I do have is a very highly developed bullshit detector and it has been blaring like a British ambulance for more than a decade now over this AGW business.
DirkH says: March 26, 2011 at 6:19 am

Mike says: March 26, 2011 at 5:18 am
“It seems confusing at first. You may have to read it several times to get it.”

The moment it stops appearing confusing to you, you know the confusion has seeped into your brain, and confusing things now appear normal to you. From that moment on, your brain will stop processing normal input and become dependent on more confusing input. Until you find yourself craving more warmist modeling papers.
krugwaffle says: April 3, 2011 at 7:29 am
A man far wiser than me once said,
“Anything can be proven scientifically if you simply discard enough of the evidence to the contrary.”
I believe you’ll find quite a consensus on that today.
“When men are most sure and arrogant they are commonly most mistaken, giving views to passion without that proper deliberation which alone can secure them from the grossest absurdities.”
– David Hume
Patvann says: March 29, 2011 at 7:46 pm
“Environmental psychologist”
Are you freakin kidding me?!?!?!
TinyCO2 says: November 4, 2010 at 3:42 pm
Q. How do you tell the difference between a Climate Bot and an AGW believer?
A. The Bot won’t think a picture of a polar bear constitutes an argument (unless it’s really badly written).
B. The Bot doesn’t suffer from a persecution complex and won’t accuse you of being in the pay of Big Oil because it has run out of arguments.
C. The Bot doesn’t have to be embarrassed about its huge carbon footprint.
D. The Bot won’t turn up at your front door.
E. You’ve got the better chance of getting the Bot to see reason.
DN says: November 4, 2010 at 3:45 pm
Jeez, it’s not like you have to run a Turing test on this thing. The fact that it’s not responding in all capitals with misspelled ad hominem attacks should be a hint that you’re not arguing with a warmist.
davidmhoffer says: July 31, 2011 at 10:44 am
Yes, the debate now sounds like this:
Realist; This study shows that the climate models vastly over estimate the amount of heat trapped by GHG’s. AGW is not nearly as significant as the models predict.
Crazed and Angry Group of Warmists; Look at all the drowning polar bears, the end is near!
R; Uhm….that turned out to be a hoax, now about this data-
CAGW; Have you seen the list of island atolls that will be drowned by global warming?
R; Well island atolls float actually, now about this data-
CAGW; This data didn’t come from a peer reviewed publication so we don’t have to look at it.
R; Well publication and being right or being wrong don’t have much to do with each other, and nobody has been able to show where this study is wrong.
CAGW; I’ve heard you believe in religion. That makes you stupid.
R; Well I see no reason to debate what I believe in or of it makes me stupid when all we have to do is look at this data and we can see that-
CAGW; You probably vote Republican too. Did you know that stupid people are more likely to vote Republican?
R; Well how I vote doesn’t really change the data here at all, so how about taking a look-
CAGW; Do you know that George Bush believes in global warming?
R; Uhm… yeah…. and he believes in religion too, so by your argument-
CAGW; There’s no point looking at your results because they are based on a flawed model.
R; No, they are based on actual measurements and then compared to a model to see if it is flawed….
CAGW; So you admit it, the model you used is flawed.
R: Yes, the model I used is YOUR model, which is flawed.
CAGW; What flaws did you introduce into our model to make is flawed? Did you also adjust the data? Do you have any idea what the scientific method is about at all?
R; Yes, I know what the scientific method is, in fact I-
CAGW; So you admit that you produced the results despite knowing what the scientific method is. Do you even know how many polar bears are drowning? You should have your degree revoked.
R; I’ll give up my degree if you can show one single solitary scientific rebuttal to my data.
CAGW; so, you really don’t care what happens to the polar bears at all, do you?
Frank Lee Meidere says: October 23, 2010 at 1:14 pm
You’re obviously not caring about our great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandchildren.
You heartless cad.
Frank K. says: October 11, 2011 at 5:13 am
The CAGW forecast for today:
Partly insane with obfuscation in the upper 70%. Chance of climate science ridiculousness is near 100%. Seven day outlook is for more of the same…
RockyRoad says: December 30, 2010 at 5:29 am
Emotion, advocacy, expletives, heated arguments, and insanity have no place in science. However, that’s what we get from the AGW crowd in spades. Maybe that should tell them something about their “science” (or “climsci” as I disparagingly call it).
Sparks says: November 3, 2011 at 11:28 am
For Dr. Kevin Trenberth to suggest that sceptics of ‘dangerous anthropogenic climate change or otherwise should play along with this psychodrama is an insult to a lot of very intelligent people.
BigWaveDave says: October 22, 2010 at 2:28 am

Malaga View says: ”’
“Bottom line: Where ignorance is bliss it is folly to be wise… but we would be crazy if we let the inmates takeover the asylum.”

Unfortunately, they already have taken it over, and they are trying to put us in it.
PaddikJ says:
June 26, 2011 at 7:26 pm

C.M. Carmichael says:
June 26, 2011 at 8:49 am
Be careful when debating a fool, it quickly becomes difficult to tell who is who. He is not in your league, ignore him.

Confucius was so pithy about it: “Argue with a fool and there are two fools arguing.”
But maddeningly, when it comes to climate fools we have no choice but to at least keep correcting them. The environmental echo-chamber is huge and just keeps growing. It’s futile to suppose that reason and evidence will ever get a hearing in there; all we can do is try to contain it and keep it from growing even more.
Mark II says: February 5, 2011 at 2:59 pm

Jim Barker says: February 5, 2011 at 11:55 am
This brought an old quote to mind, not sure where the attribute belongs.
Never argue with an idiot. He’ll drag you down to his level then beat you with experience!

I always heard it as:
Never argue with an idiot; an observer may not be able to tell which is which.
I think the one most appropriate to this topic is – “Never get into a pissing contest with a skunk.”
pat says: February 26, 2011 at 10:47 am
This has become symptomatic of the Warmists. Their blind panic leads them to ever escalating “solutions”. They believe their increased hysteria will convince the growing number of people who cannot see things as they do. They do not realize they look like fools. A very good friend of mine, a science writer and a Warmist for 12 years is now withdrawing from Warmonology. Because of nonsense like this.
John Shade says: November 17, 2010 at 12:03 pm
In an earlier post, I lamented the lack of a Gilbert & Sullivan piece on scary professors down under. Then as luck would have it, I was visited by a somewhat tipsy and unmusical muse and that led to this:
APOLOGIES: Gilbert and Sullivan
TITLE: I Am the Very Model of a Modern Climate Gateral
[Pirates of the IPPC]
I am the very model of a modern Climate Gateral
I’ve information digital, multimedia, and so quotable
I know the hacks of TV-land, and speak quite like an oracle
On ‘News at Ten’ to ‘News at One’, in order immaterial.
I’m very well acquainted, too, with matters computational
I can set parameters, both simple and fantastical
About principal components I’m teeming with a lot o’news
With many cheerful facts about the Yamal trees we like to use
I’m very good at scariness and all degrees of fearfulness
I know how to give a child nightmares quite horribilis
In short, in matters terrible, fearsome, and excitable
I am the very model of a modern Climate Gateral
I know our media’s trickery, in Nature and the NYT
I dish out those releases and they headline anything from me
I quote in elegiacs all the flaws of Homo Sapiens
With polemics I can dazzle almost any leftie audience
I can tell Trenberths and Santers from the Manns and even Houghtons
I know the Schmidts and Hansens from the Albert Gores and Joneses
Then I can hum a fugue of which I’ve heard the music’s din anew
And whistle all the airs from that wretched M4GW
I can write a laundry list in Hulmian obtusiform
While forgetting every detail of those emails in exCRUciform
In short, in matters terrible, fearsome, and excitable
I am the very model of a modern Climate Gateral
In fact, when I know what is meant by “lapse rate” and “stratiform”
When I can tell at sight a timeplot from a tephigram
When such affairs as hunches and guesses I’m more wary at
And when I know precisely what is meant by “wet in an adiabat”
When I have learnt some better ways of methods so statistical
When I know more ANOVA than a novice in a nunnery
In short, when I’ve a smattering of elemental calculus
You’ll say a better Climate-Gateral has never walked among us
For my scientific knowledge, though I’m plucky and adventury,
Has only been brought down to the beginning of last century
But still, in matters terrible, fearsome, and excitable
I am the very model of a modern Climate Gateral
tallbloke says: January 3, 2012 at 4:54 am
To the tune of ‘Modern Major General’
By Gilbert and Sullivan (Pirates of Penzance)
I am the very model of a modern climatologist
I’m partly statistician, partly palaeo-phrenologist
I’ve temperature readings from thermometers coniferous
my data are the same (or not, well, maybe) as Keith Briffa has
I bought them from a bloke who brought them hotfoot from Siberia
and mixed them with some algae from the mud Lake Superior.
When counting different isotopes I’m really in my element
and sucking up to journalists from Guardian Environment
I know what makes the tree rings from Siberia to the Rockies tick
And I can make spaghetti and transform it to a hockeystick.
My data’s got dark matter that would shatter a cosmologist
I am the very model of a modern climatologist
H/T Geoff Chambers
Stacey says: March 26, 2011 at 2:16 am
If it looks like a climate scientist
Talks like a climate scientist
Then it’s a Quack?
Jeff Motsinger says: February 1, 2012 at 11:00 am
[Warmist] Branson’s Formula One team finished dead last two years running, beaten even by a Spanish squad with barely any funds. Branson’s team solely used computer simulations to design the car and measure its performance. The team recently announced they are buying a wind tunnel because the computer simulations are just not working out.
Any word from Chris Huhne (the ecoloon)?
Otter says: February 26, 2011 at 9:33 am
In regards to John Brooke’s simplistic explanations: they appear simplistic to Us, but to the likes of him, they are nuanced and complicated, almost beyond his ability to put into words.
Scott Basinger | December 20, 2012 at 8:33 pm |
I don’t think he’s [Tamino’s] ever met an unpickable cherry.
MattN says: December 24, 2012 at 2:01 pm
In summary Dr Mann, shut up while you’re behind…
Philip Foster (Revd) says: December 24, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Mann needs to realise that a real tipping point is coming when the climate scare bubble bursts. Because then he’ll be trampled in the stampede by ex-warmista ‘scientists’ trying to get grants to study global cooling…
thepompousgit says: January 19, 2012 at 4:49 pm
How about: “Mann is the mismeasurer of all things.”
Siltdown Mann.
ChE says: November 28, 2011 at 5:27 pm
Hey, Michael Mann: do the words “Pot, Pol” mean anything to you?
[Re ending of corn ethanol subsidies:]
tallbloke says: December 28, 2011 at 12:40 am
Got any more bright ideas Al? Do us a favour and keep them under your hat.
RHS says: June 26, 2012 at 9:45 am
Al Gore’s Warming – Proof that not every solution has a problem…
tolo4zero says: February 28, 2012 at 10:08 am
Old but apt
Gore, Pachauri and Gleick go to a psychiatrist, and say, “Doc nobody listens to us anymore!”
The psychiatrist says, “Next!”
…Apologies to Henny Youngman
J. Felton says:
August 6, 2011 at 6:34 pm
Gore ” When you go and talk to any audience about climate, you hear them washing the same crap back at you time and again.”
…Now you know how sceptics feel.
Roger Knights:
He ducks like a quack!
(Al Gore, re his avoidance of debates)
Fredrick Lightfoot says: May 12, 2012 at 11:08 am
Gore flossing with his Florshiem is no surprise,
Retired Engineer says: September 16, 2011 at 2:57 pm
With the current crop of Gorons, the solution is the problem.
Spending money we don’t have on things that won’t work for problems that don’t exist.
Ideal government activity.
Willis Eschenbach | December 20, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
Thanks, Pekka.
I fear that you saying my argument is wrong is not sufficient to falsify it.
mpainter says: December 20, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Please pardon my attempt to enlighten you. It won’t happen again, I promise.
Streetcred says: September 20, 2012 at 6:41 pm
LOL … Forgive me in advance but Appell’s rant reminded me of something: “opinions are like a-holes, everybody has one, and some stink more than others.”
Andy Posted Jul 7, 2011 at 6:35 PM | Permalink | Reply
Nick do you have a large red nose, oversized shoes and a water squirting flower to go with this routine?
JJ says:
January 30, 2012 at 7:54 pm
CAGW is on the way down, and some of the folks who have been pushing it must realize that they might be held culpable for their actions.
It would appear that Hansen is laying the groundwork for an insanity defense.
Harry, you’re not following the bouncing ball. Plain vanilla datasets cannot be copyrighted, they can only be covered by explicit agreements. In the absence of such an agreement, all bets are off.
With all due respect Mr Revkin (which is a polite way of saying “none”)
Squidly (09:07:48) :
Hey Flanagan, throw another dart … you keep missing!
Anoneumouse says: March 28, 2011 at 1:24 am
John Beddington’s current position is ‘hide the malign’
TJA says: April 5, 2011 at 12:18 pm
We were supposed to see all kinds of Biblical class catastrophes. Instead, you had Calamity James Hansen heading up the propaganda war.
Smokey says: April 8, 2011 at 8:51 am
Pete, have some apples to go with your oranges.
UK Sceptic says: August 13, 2011 at 12:51 am
Obviously a strong contender for the B.S. Johnson lifetime achievement award. Competition for the accolade is fierce. Monnett, Gore and Mann have also been nominated.
jorgekafkazar says: August 24, 2011 at 2:04 pm
It’s easy to tell when a really important paper has been posted here. All of Gavin’s trained seals come here to toot their horns.
tallbloke says: September 7, 2011 at 7:23 am
This [Dessler] video should be part of a series:
Climate for dummies, by dummies.
Jason Calley says: October 19, 2011 at 8:36 am
You may want to get with Stevo and see whether the two of you can get a group discount on those “reading for comprehension” courses.
RoyFOMR says: July 23, 2012 at 4:06 pm
‘CO2 causing warming and the climate to change’
You just scored an F on reading comprehension mate. Try again (Hint – get a responsible adult to help)
RockyRoad says: November 21, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Jeff, by attacking the man not the message, may look daft to scientists but he now feels much better after his dose of self therapy.
Yet if that’s what makes Jeff happy, then his world of priorities is upside down and inside out.
May I suggest that Jeff (and others like him) go back and request a full tuition refund–starting from grade 1.
Take a logic class, or three.
Fredrick Lightfoot says: May 12, 2012 at 11:08 am
I will let you all into a secret,
Dr. J. Hansen suffers from ignomania, this means that he can write, but not read; talk, but not listen, and from this arrives the word ignorant.
Gordon Richmond says: March 22, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Sherri is in the enviable position of being so stupid that she is incapable of comprehending just how breathtakingly stupid she actually is. A veritable bubble of warm fuzzies.
Mac the Knife says: March 22, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Inspiration provided by Gordon Richmond, 3:49pm.
def: Quammen, noun and adjective. –
A incurable human condition exhibited when an afflicted person is so stupid, they are incapable of comprehending just how breathtakingly stupid they actually are.
Ed, “Mr.” Jones says: March 22, 2012 at 6:04 pm
To Concow City Fathers STOP
SUBJECT: Missing Persons STOP
Your Village Idiot has been spotted at WUWT dot com STOP
Please advise as to dangerousness and recommended course of action END
PaddikJ says: March 22, 2012 at 4:34 pm
For shame, Anthony, for shame! Picking on a mental quadriplegic.
Are you being thick for a bet?
tallbloke says:
January 7, 2012 at 3:50 pm

R. Gates says: January 7, 2012 at 2:48 pm

One would expect to see this water returned back to the oceans during ENSO neutral periods, and that over the long-term, OHC and ocean levels will continue their parallel rise.

One would expect that: you. The rest of us expect the unexpected.
Alexander Feht says: January 30, 2012 at 12:00 am
R. Gates: If you have nothing to say, please, don’t.
Anna Lemma says: October 25, 2011 at 9:26 pm
DocMartyn, would you please remove your hat so we might see yer point?
Crispin in Waterloo says: November 22, 2011 at 11:02 pm
The releaser has had time to collate them into a series of revelations, each of which will entice the guilty to paint themselves further into new corners. After a period of cover-ups, the next batch will reveal the new perfidy. And so on. At some point, one of the Team Rats will fink on the Pack and reveal how far and wide the manipulation goes. You can bet your boots that UK’s upper crust is in this up to their eyes because of the unimpeached whitewashes they have managed to construct on such short notice. As always, follow the money.
Enough to make you sick yet? Feeling a little green?
Beth Cooper says: November 19, 2011 at 7:04 am
John@ 5.28am.
A relevant comment in the wind energy article you posted. ‘They’re not doing it to BE green, they’re doing it FOR the green.’ 🙂
tomwys says: June 9, 2012 at 11:38 am
“Apparently she [Gergis] didn’t appreciate his [Steve McIntyre’s] expertise with statistics and told him to get the data himself from the original authors, and added ” This is commonly referred to as ‘research’. We will not be entertaining any further correspondence on the matter. “
This again evidences the well confirmed mathematical principle, that the snottiness of response is directly proportional to the ineptitude of the AGW researcher.
Roger Knights:
Skitt’s Law strikes again!
Skitt’s Law
Expressed as “any post correcting an error in another post will contain at least one error itself” or “the likelihood of an error in a post is directly proportional to the embarrassment it will cause the poster.”
Allan MacRae says: March 22, 2012 at 3:58 pm
About a decade ago, I wrote an article in the National Post, saying that Canada should not ratify the Kyoto Protocol. I soon received an angry, threatening email from someone who held me personally responsible for the flooding of the City of Prague.
I replied:
Dear Sir, you are entirely correct.
I am the One fully responsible the flooding of Prague.
Now “run along”, or I’ll do it again.
William Martin | April 14, 2012 at 4:51 am | Reply
retired autralian greens leader Bob Brown getting in touch with his alien side.
Dave says: May 1, 2012 at 10:45 am
Nurse! He’s out of bed again!
[re Romm]
RichieP says: December 2, 2011 at 12:37 pm

“pax says: December 2, 2011 at 10:34 am
You put “The Cause” in quotes as if it was written that way with capital letters in the mails, to be fair I don’t think it was. You might consider removing the quotes or the capital letters.”

Get back to bed! This is grown-up time kiddo.
J.Hansford says: July 13, 2012 at 12:56 am
If Mr Oppenheimer hadn’t been so blinded by his Belief in AGW… he would have been more skeptical of his modeling and would have spotted his silly mistake…. Instead he jumped out his bathtub and went running naked down the street yelling. Eureka!….. Well sir. You may borrow my coat to go home with…;-)
atheok says: December 10, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Hey! Check out the ENSO meter at Top Dead Center neutral!
Well, I guess the overly warm East Coast can look forward to real winter soon as the jet stream adjusts to neutral conditions. That bald pated guy at NOAA that keeps predicting record El Nino and SSTs needs to buy another fortune cookie. Preferably one that he reads before chomping down the cookie whole and swilling it down with prune juice.
Old Hoya says: May 14, 2012 at 8:02 am
Funny that the RC guys don’t just urge their buddies at CRU to release the data and thus silence that McIntyre guy with a clear showing of just how airtight their methodology was.
Instead we get snark and misdirection. Curious. One might think that maybe they think that there is something to hide.
I particularly like the argument that McIntyre was wrong to say that Briffa et al had actually done the calculations that would have demonstrated problems with their preferred narrative (–BTW, is understatement a form of snark?). The allegation is that McIntyre can’t prove they thought it through or that they actually analyzed their own work, so there, take that. Just because McIntyre noticed a problem after reconstructing the data does not prove the people claiming to have analyzed the actual data actually noticed such a problem and in some magic way, therefore, there must not be a problem at all and you not going to get the data to see if there was a problem so nyaah.
Pretty persuasive stuff–If you’re in the fourth grade.
John-X says:
December 9, 2011 at 3:21 pm

LazyTeenager says:
December 9, 2011 at 3:09 pm
“…So to say the current drop off is a sign of the end of the AMO is wrong. The current dropoff is just random variation. Which is very clear if you look at the rest if the series.”

That’s very Skeptical of you, LT. How does it feel?
Bad Manners says: October 29, 2011 at 11:40 pm

cohenite says: October 29, 2011 at 11:21 pm
So Muller runs a sustainability business; fancy that.
The head of the CSIRO, the chief climate scientific body in Australia [you can start laughing now], runs a carbon capture business:

What’s wrong with that – it’s in the time-honoured tradition of putting your mouth where your money is !
Well, I must admit LT that I don’t catch every single post on every thread here, but this is the first time that I’ve actually seen you try to make a foray into the science.
Don’t give up your day job.
If you have one
John F. Hultquist says: December 19, 2012 at 9:09 am
I read Matt Ridley’s Op-Ed and the comments that followed on-line. As Nic Lewis (Thanks, Nic) shows there is science being done, and also science being ignored in the 2nd Order Draft (SOD). Many of the folks commenting at the WSJ seem clueless and apparently are determined to stay that way. I found this attitude as interesting as the question about equilibrium climate sensitivity (ECS).
Sam (22:03:42) :
I just read all the 600+ comments on the most recent IPCC thread on Real Climate and I can tell you it’s a relief to get back here, and find a bit of humour (as opposed to lip-curling sarcasm), civility (as opposed to – well you know what) and common sense and intelligence rather than swivel-eyed fanaticism, ranting and raving, and scarcely believable blinkered arrogance.
I discovered that RC is an alligator site – all mouth and no ears with an ornery propensity to attack any unwary person who steps into their waters.
Denier says: August 27, 2011 at 4:55 am
Julian Flood:
Could I end by giving you some advice? It is not enough in science to have strong beliefs, a ready tongue and an attitude of hero-worship to some father-figure scientist. Before it lost its way, the motto of the Royal Society was Nullius in Verba, On No Man’s Word. Abandon your heroes and try to stick to the science. If you must worship something, worship the truth. It will be good for you if not for your career.
John M says:
September 19, 2011 at 5:10 pm
C’mon, John B…it’s not that hard.
Very slo-o-o-o-wly now…
It’s good for the soul…really.
These are comments I (Roger Knights) made, mostly in response to IPCC chairman Pachauri’s book, Return to Almora
We’ve reached a tupping point.
Hotties with Hooters
are Hot to Trot
with Globe-Trotting Goobers
who Flog that they’re Hot
Around the World in 80 Lays
He looks the part of a Satyr.
So “climactic science” wasn’t a typo!
“They don’t call me “Choo Choo” for nothing, baby.”
(his pickup line)
“My pipeline’s where your heat’s been hiding, baby, Yowsa!”
He DID promise us things would get steamier!
We can be sure his friction fiction was “leer reviewed.”
Peace? Pachauri? ICPP
Dr. Patchouli
There was a serious article about 20 years ago arguing that being a demonstrator or activist was a form of male “display,” or strutting ones stuff for the ladies, and that it works. I’ve also read less formal pieces, memoirs or recollections by activists, where access to chicks was mentioned as one of the benefits of their involvement.
Peter Miller says:
March 24, 2012 at 2:30 am
I want to make it unequivocally clear to everyone that I am prepared to make the grand sacrifice and become a senior advisor and/or executive of this [Green Climate Fund] fund, I have all the right qualifications:
1. I have a couple of degrees and lots of experience in stuff,
2. I am prepared to accept a large untaxable salary,
3. I am prepared to work up to three days per month,
4. I am prepared to travel, as long as its always first class and 5 star hotels,
5. I am prepared to occasionally read stuff,
6. I am sufficiently well informed about ‘climate science’ to mislead the public and politicians by lying convincingly about the facts, just like the other leaders of this industry.
7. I have several suits, which I can wear when required.
8. I can say the word ‘denier’, while simultaneously contorting my face with supposed disgust.
9. I enjoy good food and drink.
10. I can grow a beard, if required.
Patchy have I forgotten anything? Perhaps you can help, you are a master at this sort of thing.
Peter Miller says:
March 24, 2012 at 2:54 am
Patchy has responded to my last post, he advises:
1. Set up your own foundation or trust on climate in which to funnel money/donations/grants from this new green fund.
2. Make sure this foundation is located in a large and beautiful area where you can enjoy peace and tranquility. Also, as your work is so important have the foundation build a golf course, a mansion, a swimming pool, or maybe two of each – diversity helps your karma.
3. Dye your black hat white.
4. Keep your nose squeaky clean by funneling all your family’s expenses through the foundation and never debate your science or position with anyone who is not friendly.
MY STUFF (Roger Knights)

John says: November 24, 2011 at 11:58 pm
3) US agencies are allowing more and more experimental planting of toxic trees (someone said large weeds) …

… The “green” bay tree.
pat says: February 28, 2012 at 10:26 pm
When the cold wind blows it will turn your head around.
–James Taylor
RK: The warm is turning.
tarpon says: August 24, 2011 at 4:04 pm
Sorry Al but you were and are a quack.
RK: He ducks (avoids debates) like a quack!
Hey, Judy, here’s a better name for your blog:
What, Me Curry?!
Cold Comfort
Robust = Ribald

Scott says: May 14, 2010 at 12:40 pm
That’s a pretty poor representation of the situation. Most reasonable skeptics don’t think it’s a vast conspiracy, … don’t swallow what your liberal professors or magazines send your way without a second thought.

Roger Knights: It’s a vast think-right conspiracy.
(I.e., it’s a holier-than-thou PC-fad / bandwagon.)

Reed Coray says: June 25, 2010 at 9:41 am
“… it’s just a matter of time before the phrase ‘overwhelming majority of knowledgeable climate scientists’ will also have to be dropped. What’s next?”

RK: overbearing majority of knowledgeable climate scientists
Our side should counter the use of “tipping points” by using the term “pushback points” — i.e., levels at which negative feedbacks are activated. It is that sort of feedback that dominates the climate system.
“The pro-AGW crowd” is too much of a mouthful. It should be the AGWAs, as suggested by Thom Scrutchin, for Anthropogenic Global Warming Alarmism.
Also, “AGW” is unpronounceable, thus it can’t be used in spoken exchanges. An acronym like AWG would be better, and carry the same meaning, namely: Anthropological Warming of the Globe or Anthropologically Warming-Globe.
More important for our purposes, it would sound silly, i.e., like “AWK,” connoting cartoonishly undue alarmism. Further, “AWG-ers” (which sounds like “augurs”) would carry a connotation of superstitious and baseless “entrails-reading.”
CAWG-ers would also sound silly, connoting people crying in alarm like crows.
Just as the term “Mann’s hockey stick” has been a convenient graphic summation for Mann’s warping of the historical record, I propose “Steig’s Pac-Man” as a shorthand term for his absurd weighting of the Antarctic temperature record.

Anton (09:03:09) :
“It’s the Climactic Research Unit, not the Climate Research Unit.”

Make that “Climatic.”
(People doing climactic research are in it for the fun, not the funding. Except Patchy, maybe!)
Instead of saying that we want the “raw” data, we might occasionally say:
We want the uncooked data.
We want the “sushi” data.

“Uncooked” conveys a neat double entendre. (I.e., unslanted.)

“Mr. Markey held more than 50 hearings, at which he demeaned reputable scientists, attacked oil and gas companies, and in general evangelized about the need to replace carbon energy with windmills and solar panels. With no bill-writing powers, committee Members spent $8 million or so on hearings, global “fact-finding” missions and reports of little consequence. Oh, and Mr. Markey elbowed his way into investigating the BP spill, which he used as a platform to demonize oil exploration.”

Kongressman Murkey
“Jeer reviewed” on WUWT.

Scott Mandia:
“Even President Obama would not accept a debate about whether the earth is flat or spherical. There are NO unresolved issues as to WHY the earth is warming. No debate about that.”

Also Sprak Ozymandia
I will admit, as a moderator having read several hundred thousand responses over the past many months, this is by far the longest-ever (non-spam) response, the longest response quoting the largest-ever number of previous writers ever attempted in the history of WUWT, AND the longest response EVER not needing any obvious correction of format or spelling or grammar that has been posted in the past 650,000 responses.
I will attempt no other comments on this response save that quoting the prolific writer Terry Pratchett who, in The Truth, quoted a pragmatic dwarf saying words to effect of ” … Well this story has 74 names. That’s 74 readers who will want to buy the paper tomorrow.”

May 12, 2013 8:22 pm

Clean up on aisle Knight.

May 12, 2013 9:59 pm

@ Geolurking, that is eye opening! I am looking at frost for Bowling Green, KY in the morning. They tell me it was so windy this morning that there were white caps on the horse troughs.
Hoping that this is more like the 30’s than the LIA. But Vuk probably is going to be right and that leaves me wrong. Ding dang it all.

May 12, 2013 10:21 pm

I submitted the above quote-collection as a story about 5 weeks ago, and Anthony responded that it would make a good comment. So that’s what I’ve done.

May 13, 2013 12:37 am

Last year there was a link to sea ice extent which fell extensively. Since the Arctic SIE increasing is probably going to be the main reason for the public rejecting AGW I feel you should put it up again and cross the fingers. On a brighter note this year I note that the DMI 30% thickness is making a nice surge sideways and with the two recent La Nina’s the sea ice melt should be a lot less [i.e. more ice] this year and the next 2 years. Hoping !

May 13, 2013 1:06 am

1phobosgrunt says:
mischievous Carla, a galactic mismatch

May 13, 2013 1:37 am

Of things less galactic
There was an ‘X-rated’ solar flare this morning around 03h GMT

May 13, 2013 2:26 am

i was very disappointed in your attitude on Sunday putting a stop on comments on the post about Dr Spencer and the ”slayers”. you claim to be fed up with their claims so stop discussion the very thing that you say you want between warmists and sceptics. Is your attitude not a little hypocritical?

May 13, 2013 2:52 am

Roger K, Than-Q. You brightened up my morning considerably. Some I remembered when seeing them again, some I’d never encountered, all worth reading.

May 13, 2013 3:53 am

@ Roger Knights says:
May 12, 2013 at 10:21 pm
Alright, Roger. Still think you need an editor (armed with a gas powered Echo Brand riding word wacker), but I don’t make the rules.

May 13, 2013 5:50 am

I got more laughs out of Roger’s post than any before. Of course, it’s a collection of so many great posts that my response isn’t surprising. Thanks for the collection, Mr. Knights.

May 13, 2013 6:15 am

Thanks, papiertigre (May 12, 2013 at 4:46 pm) for the video. As you probably know the bird seen to be hit by a wind turbine blade is a griffon vulture (Gyps fulvus). The incident was filmed at a windfarm on the Asterousia Range above the south coast of the island of Crete. The bird survived the incident and was hospitalised in Athens. I don’t know whether it was able to return to the wild.

May 13, 2013 6:51 am

@ Coldish says:
May 13, 2013 at 6:15 am
You’re welcome. Heart wrenching isn’t it. There’s that point when the Griffon lifts it’s head and sort of takes stock of his situation. I project myself into his thoughts. “I might be ok. Oh. Broken shoulder. Nope, I’m dead.” Then his head sags back to the ground.
There’s a note of resignation.
Good to hear he made a recovery. Even if his life is reduced to sitting on a perch in a Zoo somewhere. That can be rewarding for a bird.

May 13, 2013 6:56 am

Roger Knights says:
May 12, 2013 at 7:57 pm

May 13, 2013 7:08 am

ENSO meter fans, still zero:
Found target /png/tmp/CTEST136844280130025.txt
Data file
data from 00Z13APR2013 to 00Z13MAY2013
Length of data file 104, most recent value: -0.0200693
file_last 0.0251388
anomaly -00
Last week’s meter should have rounded up to 0.1, but apparently I missed that 0.0820416 reading last week. Looks like it wasn’t ready and I may not be retrying if an update hasn’t happened.

May 13, 2013 11:53 am

What happened to the weekly climate and energy roundup? Was it Leif and that insulting hillbilly?

May 13, 2013 1:03 pm

Here’s a link to my earlier collection of quips:

May 13, 2013 6:25 pm

vukcevic says:
May 13, 2013 at 1:06 am
Didn’t like the questions?
Try this one
2013 J. Phys.: Conf. Ser. 409 012237
Influence of energetic Solar Proton Events on the development of cyclonic processes at
extratropical latitudes
S Veretenenko1 and P Thejll2
Ioffe Physical-Technical Institute, Russian Academy of Sciences, Politekhnicheskaya 26, 194021 St.-Petersburg, Russia
Danish Meteorological Institute, Lyngbywei 100, Copenhagen, DK-2100, Denmark
..In the Northern hemisphere the largest cyclone deepening takes place in the North Atlantic near the south-eastern coasts of Greenland, this area being characterized by high temperature contrasts and low geomagnetic cutoff rigidities. In the Southern hemisphere most appreciable cyclone intensification was found over the Southern Ocean near the Antarctic coasts next to the South Magnetic Pole, the region is characterized by low geomagnetic cutoff rigidities and high temperature contrasts, too. The results obtained show an importance of ionization changes produced by cosmic ray variations for the mechanism of solar activity influence on the lower atmosphere circulation..
..The study revealed that the SPEs occurring in October-March are followed by a noticeable
intensification of cyclonic activity at middle latitudes of the Northern hemisphere. Figure 1 shows the
variations (departures from the mean charts over the period ±10 days relative to the key dates) of
geopotential (gp) heights of the 500 hPa level (GPH500) obtained by SPEA for 48 events. It is seen
that most pronounced pressure variations after the SPEs take place at middle latitudes. Just on the day
of the SPE onsets pressure starts sharply decreasing near the Greenland coasts, the effect is maximum
on the next day. Air outflow from cyclones deepening near Greenland results in the formation of a
height crest (an area of pressure increase) over Europe. As the cyclone development is accompanied
by the formation of an anticyclone at the cold front in its rear, simultaneously with cyclone
intensification near Greenland an area of high pressure appears over North America.
In figure 2 the GPH500 variations on the day +1 after the SPE onsets are compared with climatic
fronts in the troposphere [4] and geomagnetic cutoff rigidities R [5]. One can see several large areas of
negative and positive changes of pressure located between the climatic Arctic and Polar fronts. Indeed,
extratropical cyclogenesis usually occurs namely at these fronts. The most significant variations of
pressure seem to be associated with the Arctic fronts which bound the Arctic air mass where the polar
stratospheric vortex is formed. The Arctic fronts are in the area of low geomagnetic cutoff rigidities,
so cosmic ray particles with a broad energy range may precipitate here…
Stephen Wilde might like this one too Vuks and the Cosmic Ray boys.

May 13, 2013 6:46 pm

On a roll for this..physical north pole, magnetic poles and geomagnetic poles.
..”Our results suggest that heating of the magnetospheric origin in the auroral region is most likely the cause of these observed longitudinal structures”..
The longitudinal variation of the daily mean thermospheric mass density
Jiyao Xu1, Wenbin Wang2, Hong Gao1
Article first published online: 30 JAN 2013;jsessionid=D5CF938308817043480575D76F217880.d01t03?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false
[1] This study uses the GRACE (Gravity Recovery And Climate Experiment) and CHAMP (CHAllenging Minisatellite Payload) accelerometer measurements from 2003 to 2008. These measurements gave thermospheric mass densities at ~480 km (GRACE) and ~380 km (CHAMP), respectively. We found that there are strong longitude variations in the daily mean thermospheric mass density. These variations are global and have the similar characteristics at the two heights under geomagnetically quiet conditions (Ap < 10). The largest relative longitudinal changes of the daily mean thermospheric mass density occur at high latitudes from October to February in the Northern Hemisphere and from March to September in the Southern Hemisphere. The positive density peaks locate always near the magnetic poles. The high density regions extend toward lower latitudes and even into the opposite hemisphere. This extension appears to be tilted westward, but mostly is confined to the longitudes where the magnetic poles are located. Thus, the relative longitudinal changes of the daily mean thermospheric mass density have strong seasonal variations and show an annual oscillation at high and middle latitudes but a semiannual oscillation around the equator.
Our results suggest that heating of the magnetospheric origin in the auroral region is most likely the cause of these observed longitudinal structures. Our results also show that the relative longitude variation of the daily mean thermospheric mass density is hemispherically asymmetric and more pronounced in the Southern Hemisphere.

May 13, 2013 7:15 pm

And now for the answer to the question.
Is the north magnetic pole de-accelerating? Yessssss……
..”Then the motion of North pole started to decelerate to 45 km/yr in 2009. At the same time it
should be noticed that North pole began to retrace in the direction of Canada, moving northwestward as before”..
Motion of North and South magnetic poles in 2001-2009
T. Zvereva
Institute of terrestrial magnetism, ionosphere and wave propagation (IZMIRAN), Russian Academy of Science, Troitsk,
Moscow region, Russian Federation
Geophysical Research Abstracts Vol. 14, EGU2012-11236, 2012
EGU General Assembly 2012 © Author(s) 2012
We created the daily average spherical harmonic models of the main geomagnetic field (n = m = 10) with an
interval of 4 days using vector data CHAMP satellite during May 2001 – December 2009 (2001.5-2009). Using
obtained set of the models coordinates of the North and South magnetic poles (i.e. the point on the Earth’s surface
where the magnetic filed lines are vertical) were calculated. Both poles continue to move northward and westward.
North pole shifted 400 km, South pole moved 10 times slower.
Accelerated motion of the North magnetic pole stopped around year 2003, when rate of motion increased to
 62.5 km/yr. Then the motion of North pole started to decelerate to 45 km/yr in 2009. At the same time it
should be noticed that North pole began to retrace in the direction of Canada, moving northwestward as before.
This follows from the fact that during this period the rate of the pole latitude movement decreased from 58 to 35
km/yr, while the longitude speed increased from 23 to 32 km/yr. Thus, we can hope that North magnetic pole just
“wanders” and will not leave Canadian anomaly and will not reach Siberia in approximately 50 years, as predicted

May 13, 2013 8:37 pm

Stephen Wilde should like this as well. Now what was pushing and driving those jets ahh southward from the north and northward from the south?
Storm Time Meridional Wind Perturbations in the Equatorial Upper Thermosphere
R.A. Haaser1, R. Davidson2 R.A. Heelis1, G.D. Earle2, S. Venkatraman1, and J. Klenzing3
©2013. American Geophysical Union. All Rights Reserved.
..During solar storms, perturbations to the geospace environment induce a number of changes. Excluding the effects from X-rays flares within several minutes, perturbations in the solar wind propagate toward the earth over the course of a few of days. As these unusually energetic particles arrive they travel down the magnetic field lines toward the polar ionosphere, shown in figure 1(a). Variations in high-latitude particle energy input and frictional heating in the thermosphere accompany changes in magnetic activity represented by indices such as AE, Dst, or a southward turning of the interplanetary magnetic field (IMF)1. The resulting localized heating at high latitudes is expected to redistribute over the entire global thermosphere within a few hours, shown in figure 1(b), resulting in modifications in the temperature, composition and winds2
..First storm observations by C/NOFS occur about 3-5 hours after the first southward-turning of the Bz reported by ACE/Wind, in agreement with previous studies suggesting that phase fronts in the thermosphere propagate from the polar regions toward the equator with velocities of about 500 – 800 m/s3,4,5. Evening and nighttime neutral wind perturbations in figures were noticably higher than those occurring during the day [II., IV.] .This is likely the result of stronger daytime ion density motions and gradients in the ionosphere/thermosphere system. Most of the storms are observed in the southern magnetic latitudes, except for the [IV.] Jan 2012 storm. As expected, a majority of the observed storms, demonstrated equatorward perturbations of meridional neutral winds (including the Jan 2012 storm), propagating away from the nearest magnetic pole, on the order of about 100 m/s. However, one exception to this rule was the set of [V.] Mar 2012 storms which appear to exhibit poleward flow. This storm occurs when northern magnetic pole rotates through midnight during the storm onset. Such a case is consistent with equatorward meridional winds propagating across the equator into the opposing hemisphere, similar to the model prediction by Fuller-Rowell et. al [1994].

May 13, 2013 9:33 pm

I have a question regarding the issue with the slayers.
The slayers’ position is that a cooler body cannot transfer heat to a warmer body, and therefore presence of a cooler body near a warmer body would have no effect on the temperature of the warmer body. Correct?
And this has been an argument dragging on for years?
May I propose a little experiment:
Get 2 identical insulated boxes.
In box #1, place 2 objects so they are not touching:
Object A: A 2-quart jar of recently boiled water (the warmer body)
Object B: A bucket of 120 degree water (the cooler body)
In box #2, place 2 objects in same arrangement as box #1:
Object C: A 2-quart jar of recently boiled water (the warmer body)
Object D: A bucket of ice (the cooler body)
Close the boxes and leave them alone for a period of time (I’m not sure what period of time would be appropriate), then take the temperature of Objects A and C. If the slayers are right, there would be no difference in temperature, so long as A is still warmer than B, and C is still warmer than D. Because if cooler bodies have no effect on the temperature of warmer bodies, then it would make no difference how much cooler the cooler bodies were. However, if the slayers are wrong, then A will be warmer than C. Correct?
Admittedly, I have not performed this experiment myself. However, I predict that A would end up warmer than C.
I’m not a scientist, so I’m curious… in theory, would this experiment prove what I think it would, or am I mistaken?

Actually Dr. Spencer and I are working on an experiment, and I ran some initial tests tonight. More in a few days – Anthony

May 13, 2013 11:32 pm

Hi C
Good comments, will look-up the links.

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