Hansen unleashed: people he disagrees with are 'neanderthals'

Dr. James Hansen, now no longer on a leash under NASA policy, has started what I expect will be the first of many ugly comments and actions in his new role as activist.

Niall from Canada writes in asking for help from WUWT and the readership:

This Saturday morning Canada’s state broadcaster (the CBC) aired, on their weekly politics & current affairs show “the House”, a 15 min. ‘interview’ with James Hansen, in which he denigrated our Government as “neanderthal” in it’s approach to AGW, and that climate change science is “crystal clear”.

He also angled for a carbon tax (presumably to support his desired global wealth re-distribution scheme).  I know you’re a very busy guy, but if you could formally respond in writing to the CBC, and indicate the gross errors Hansen voiced, and also post to your own site, many of us Canadian climate ‘realists’ would be very grateful for your help in exposing this grotesque charlatan.

Att’d is the link for the show, and the address to respond to.

Yours very truly,

Niall from Winnipeg

the Story:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/04/26/pol-hansen-oliver.html

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Very unclassy to go to another country and call its government officials names while a guest. Also, unnecessary.

Just show people his boiling oceans video. Its so outlandish, few will believe him credible after seeing it.

Boiling oceans comment – 2:14 (128 seconds in)

Neil

Indeed what a terrible slur. Anyone using this to cast ugly aspersions should be publically condemned regardless of what ‘side’ they are on.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/05/08/letter-to-the-editor-a-wish-for-dr-michael-mann-to-clear-some-things-up-from-an-errant-psu-grad/

tango

You have to feel sorry for him as he has lost this marbles

PaulH

Hansen and the CBC share the same world-view. None of this is surprising.

Richard deSousa

Hansen will have a difficult time selling his Armageddon tale as the snows fall and the climate gets colder.

Let him feel unleashed. It will hurt his credibility and he’ll sound like a whining has-been wondering what happened to his previous stature.
It’ll be interesting to see the psychological toll that the skeptics have absorbed during the warming phase shift to the alarmists. I don’t think they’ll handle it as well, as they have a lot more to lose.

It will be interesting to see what the response is. I hope the CBC is open to receive comment and give it airing. I agree that Hansen coming in as a guest and slamming the country and/or government is shabby behaviour. Bringing in faulty science just adds insult to injury.

Well I don’t agree with Hansen at all, but a few days ago he was publically denigrated by Canada’s minister of natural resources, who asked that Hansen should be “ashamed.” That was uncalled for, and some sort of reaction was to be expected.

chris y

Perhaps some enterprising Parliamentary backbencher can file a hate speech complaint with the Canadian human rights commission. I would enjoy watching the jester-jousting adjuster jousting with a judge!

Rhoda R

I guess pipelining the crude to the US will result in BAD emissions while pipelining the same crude to China will result in GOOD emissions.

Otter

I’m guessing that makes him Piltdown Man.

CodeTech

I guess “Neanderthal” is better than “dimwitted lout”, which is how Hansen has presented himself in my eyes.
The CBC despises this Conservative government, partly because they have been successful at making this country a better place to live. They can’t stand that their beloved liberals failed to accomplish even a half of what the Conservatives have accomplished.

cartoonasaur

They NEVER lose – they just move on to the next “world-wide human-caused mega-catastrophe” that MUST be stopped before GAIA is harmed and LOOK! A SQUIRREL! INJURED! BY CORPORATIONS! AAAAAAAAAAAAH! Please send $$, and quick! The squirrel is pleading for Gaia, won’t you please send all you can and quickly?

Kurt in Switzerland

Hansen also admonished Slovenia for considering coal combustion as a means of meeting its future energy needs. I haven’t heard anything from him on Germany, however (despite several new coal plants coming on line in 2012) and he’s had only praise for China (apparently since he admires their top-down government – MUCH more efficient than democracy, you see).
Kurt in Switzerland

Rud Istvan

He is in the process of self distructing. Seen it before. After 4 arrests, NASA probably said you are past retirement age, so do so. Now he is impugning elected officials of other countries. Let it be.
He will finish himself his discrediting job without any help whatsoever. Well on the way.
Not the first time, nor the last, that a zealot got hoisted on their own petard.

A posterchild example of moral enterpreurship who create “enemies” so that they can lead the fight against them, and according to H.L.Mencken: The urge to save the world is almost always a false front to use it.
The reason why moral enterpreneurs are often successful may be explained by the Milgram experiment, in which people were prepared to administer lethal electrical shocks just by the power of authority.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_entrepreneur
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy#Enemies_as_a_function_of_social_science
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

More Canadians use the net proportionally than Americans, although affluent Americans rank higher as a subset. He’s talking to a country of roughly 33 million, where 28+ million are on the web using it for news and to verify stories in addition to email. As a country, Canada ranks in the top 10 educated globally. The US is 33. Also, Canadians are unlike Americans in that they won’t complain about his rude remarks, but they will be insulted by them. The last thing you do as an American is go up to Canada and swing your bat because you think you are superior. That’s why they instituted Made in Canada laws decades ago; they were fed up with ‘Ugly Americans’ acting like no one mattered but them.

Ian H

Hansen is many things but he isn’t a hypocrite. He wants a carbon tax because he wants CO2 emissions stopped, not because he has some ulterior scheme for world government in mind. I don’t believe Hansen himself has given much thought to where the money from such a tax would wind up. Others clearly have however. Hansen as their naive and idealistic tool.

Douglas Proctor

The Canadian Saint David Suzuki says all geologists who disagree with him are paid shills of the oil companies.
Canadians are used to the insults: the ex-colonials never escape their low-class past. Just ask an Aussie (use small words).

John Levick

His comment about collecting carbon taxes and giving to the people says it all.

Edohiguma

Goes in hand with the Australian music professor teaching in Austria who said that all those who deny man-made global warming were worse than murderers and should be killed.

geran

policycritic says:
April 27, 2013 at 3:54 pm
More Canadians use the net proportionally than Americans, although affluent Americans rank higher as a subset. He’s talking to a country of roughly 33 million, where 28+ million are on the web using it for news and to verify stories in addition to email. As a country, Canada ranks in the top 10 educated globally. The US is 33. Also, Canadians are unlike Americans in that they won’t complain about his rude remarks, but they will be insulted by them. The last thing you do as an American is go up to Canada and swing your bat because you think you are superior. That’s why they instituted Made in Canada laws decades ago; they were fed up with ‘Ugly Americans’ acting like no one mattered but them.
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Now we can’t wait to jump into the sinking ship with ya, eh?

Felflames

“Dr Hansen , you have been writing books since the 1960’s , each one has predicted doom for humans within 10 years. Each time you have been wrong in your predictions. Why should anyone believe a word you say when you have always been proven wrong by empirical evidence?”
Now that is a question someone needs to put to him.

C.M. Carmichael

CBC, they can force me to fund them, but not to listen.

johninoxley

Certifiable

DirkH

leftturnandre says:
April 27, 2013 at 3:52 pm
“The reason why moral enterpreneurs are often successful may be explained by the Milgram experiment, in which people were prepared to administer lethal electrical shocks just by the power of authority.”
The wikipedia page says: ” If the teacher asked whether the learner might suffer permanent physical harm, the experimenter replied, “Although the shocks may be painful, there is no permanent tissue damage, so please go on.” ”
This sounds like the “teacher” did not know that a 450V shock would be lethal; but believed it to be harmless. Indeed the voltage alone does not kill if the current is limited to small values – microamperes.
So, the “teachers” were actually never prepared to administer lethal shocks. I don’t know whether Milgram drew that conclusion but given the setup it would be wrong to do so.

Pedantic old Fart

The last recorded Neanderthals went extinct in the Gibralter area about 24,000 yr BP. The whole group lost its woodland-mosaic habitat, ironically, due to global cooling, They were big, smart, often blue-eyed and red haired,speaking people that hunted big animals in ambush with thrusting spears. They had to be strong and tough!. They did not have the missile technology of our ancestors at the time and could not hunt the fauna of the enroaching tundra. Trapped between the mountains and the tundra they went extinct. Hansen displays amazing ignorance and a mean spirit by attempting to cite them as a racist(speciesist) slur.
For those interested,I recommend “Humans Who Went Extinct”;Clive Finlayson; Oxford Uni Press 2009. It is a brilliant dissertation on how changing climates changed habitats and played chance games with the evolution of humans. It all happened before human carbon dioxide emissions were more than 4/5 of 5/8/ of a very small number.

Sabertooth

Warm is the fragrance of Cro-Magnon privilege.

DocMartyn

Approximately 7% of my DNA is inherited from my Neanderthal ancestors, thus as a member of an ethnic minority I take affront to this disparagement of my forebears.

Gene Selkov

OK. On the scale of stupid analogies Hansen proposes, he himself looks like a prehominid. Neanderthals, rock on!

otsar

I am glad someone took his leash off. Now he does not have to heed the organ grinder that kept him out of trouble. Now he can be a monkey at large with his tin cup. He will probably bite a few hands that feed him before the butterfly nets come out. He has been amusing to watch in a sad sort of way.

kadaka (KD Knoebel)

Amy Ridenour said on April 27, 2013 at 3:19 pm:

Very unclassy to go to another country and call its government officials names while a guest. Also, unnecessary.

Hey, those laid-back Canucks told Hansen to feel right at home. They asked for it!

jorgekafkazar

garymount says: “That [Richard Parncutt] was an Austrian.”
According to Wankerpedia: “Richard Parncutt (born 24 October 1957 in Melbourne)” Unless there’s a Melbourne in Austria, the bloke’s an Australian.

Janice Moore

You probably already read the thread whose link I’ve posted below, but, in case you missed it, in it is some good refutation and exposure of the fiend:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/04/25/canadas-environment-minister-calls-out-jim-hansen/
Jerk Hansen even has his own TAG (on right margin of WUWT pages). I’ve never been so inclined, but try that.
Courage, Niall and all you wonderful, valiant, fighters for truth north of the border. This latest attack is, indeed, distressing, but, General Hansen’s troops are deserting daily and his tactics are those of an army in desperate retreat. He’s just trying to make as much money as he can before the screen says: YOU LOSE. GAME OVER.
I agree with Dr. Gray — we are seeing the “beginning of the end” (or, at least, “the end of the beginning” — Sir W.C.) of the AGW battle in the perennial war between the Liars and the Truthtellers.
VICTORY IS ASSURED!

NikFromNYC

Paleo haters abound.
Ooook! Kon JIM. Mwhaa! ICE sea.

Jimbo

Dr. James Hansen opened windows night before his testimony to congress in 1988 so the ACs would not work properly next day
Dr. James Hansen made $1.6 million in outside, direct cash income in the past five years (2011)
Dr. James Hansen switched his research interests from Astronomy to Calamastology.
Dr. James Hansen, in 1967, thought that dust made Venus hot.
Dr. James Hansen’s climate model was uses by Rasool & Schneider to predict an ice age in 1971
Dr. James Hansen said the oceans would boil & end up in the atmosphere if we burned all fossil fuels
Dr. James Hansen is an activist scientist having been arrested at least 3 times
Question: Can I trust Dr. James Hansen when it comes to the climate????

Andrew

The Neanderthals were a dramatic improvement over their predecessors – perhaps the greatest leap forward in human evolution. They had intelligence vastly ahead of their time [brain sizes equal to Homo sapiens of hundreds of kyrs later]. They were able to positively change their environment, enhancing their survivability and lives.
So yes, I’d buy Hansen’s argument.

RoyFOMR

Give him a break guys ‘n gals. It’s not Jim’s fault that he’s been duped into becoming a ‘useful idiot’.
True, he’s a smart bloke but he’s as naive as a newt when it comes to inhaling vulpine vapours!
I’ve half his IQ (guess that makes me a pretty smart neanderthal) but my BS meter is every bit as good as his – but, thanks to my inferior neuronal connections, I use it more than he needs to.
His crystal clarity about ‘Climate Science’ aka ‘Climate Chaos’ is but a delusion that feeds a messianic fantasy – backed up by dogmatic certainty – that He can save the World.
Strangely enough, I am 100% convinced that he is totally honest – I do not believe he could knowingly lie.
He’s honest. I like him but that does not mean I agree with him

Jimbo

By the way, Dr. James Hansen actually looks like a Neanderthalic Homer Simpson with a hat.

geran

RoyFOMR says:
April 27, 2013 at 5:17 pm
He’s honest. I like him but that does not mean I agree with him
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Nope, he is not honest. He is corrupt. He deceives. He promotes himself by slandering the truth. DO NOT be deceived by such perversion of science.

It is my understanding that Hansen is pro-nuclear. If he had any brains and common sense he would simply be a pro-nuclear advocate instead of bashing fossil fuels and pushing the CAGW BS. Nuclear is a technologically superior source of electricity with its greater energy density and, eco-friendliess in terms of emissions (other than CO2). In particular, the Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor (LFTR) shows the potential to be one of the safest and lowest cost reactor types, and it produces far less waste than the current generation of reactors. It can also burn up all of the plutonium being produced by the the current reactors and generate electricity with it (which is why I hesitate to call it waste). We have enough thorium here in the U.S. to last us for many centuries, if not a milleniu or more.
If Hansen wants to latch onto and advocate something that would actually be worthwhile, LFTR might be a good place to start. Unfortunately, it would probably mean he would have to clash with the environmental movement which (as I understand it) is mostly anti-nuclear not to mention that fact that it probably knows nothing about LFTR to begin with. While he’s at it, he might also want to consider dispelling the fear of nuclear by enlightening the masses on the the Radation Hormesis Hypothesis and the supporting science behind it which basically states that the low-level nuclear radiation it not a serious threat to human health (except for perhaps young children and infants). He no doubt doesn’t have the intestinal fortitude to do any of this though, given that they are all on the same page when it comes to fossil fuels and CAGW.
He truly is a sad and tragically wrong-minded individual.

@DocMartyn
Approximately 7% of my DNA is inherited from my Neanderthal ancestors, thus as a member of an ethnic minority I take affront to this disparagement of my forebears.
Preach it, brother! How long must our people submit to these racist slurs?

Byron

leftturnandre says:
April 27, 2013 at 3:52 pm
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Another interesting one is the Asch conformity experiments where a group of subjects were given a series of multiple choice questions to answer and “allowed” to change Their answers based on what answer Their “peers” chose . in reality in each group there was only one actual test subject and the rest were “actors” who would deliberately choose wrong answers in concert with each other . 75% of the initial test subjects changed their answers to a wrong one to conform with the group . In later versions of the test It was found that the larger the size of the group of “actors” giving the wrong answers the more likely the test subjects were to change Their responses to a wrong answer as well .

tgmccoy

As a fan of and given my Northern European and Central Asian genetics, -he may be an ancestor- I demand an apology for Neanderthal! They weren’t so primitive after all:
http://listverse.com/2009/06/16/top-10-misconceptions-about-neanderthals/

Janice Moore

Re: Stanley Milgram’s experiments about obedience to authority, Dirk H. you make a good clarification, for apparently, “the ‘teachers’ were actually never prepared to administer lethal shocks.”
The “teachers” were, nevertheless, willing to inflict GREAT pain (in the film I saw, some of the “learners” were screaming in agony). The emotional trauma of some of the “teachers” was so devastating, that such experiments were banned in the U.S..
Whether the “teachers” would only obey so far as to torture their victim or whether they would obey an order to kill them is, in the context of leftturnandre’s 1532 post, a distinction without significance.
BTW, DirkH, I almost didn’t post the above, for I have admired your strong defense of truth in your other posts and you and I are on the same side in the fight for truth-in-science, but, the horrific fact of what Dr. Milgram discovered in his experiments regarding the willingness on the part of a certain personality type (“authoritarian personalities”, i.e., they have an unhealthy willingness to obey authority) to obey an evil authority figure must not be forgotten or downplayed. It is a warning we must remember so that “never again” will someone like a certain Austrian (NOT Australian) from the 1930’s lead a great nation to the brink of self-destruction. QUESTION AUTHORITY (if done with civility and a genuine desire to serve truth) must ever remain a truthseeker’s rallying cry.

Janice Moore

“Neanderthalic Homer Simpson” [Jimbo]
LOL.
D’oh! D’oh! D’oh! D’oh! D’oh! D’oh! D’oh! D’oh! D’oh! D’oh! D’oh! D’oh! D’oh! D’oh! D’oh! D’oh! D’oh!

KevinK

Funny thing, this “Neanderthal” (his word choice, not mine) somehow managed to have 20+ US patents issued in his name (a few with co-inventors) and was responsible for calibrating the sensors that provide those nice Digital-Globe™ images of the Earth.
What will those crazy “Neanderthals” accomplish next ? Maybe we can save the Earth, just in case it really, really, really needs our help……
Jeeeze, not only am I a “denier”, I am also a “Neanderthal”, who knew ????
On the other hand, I must be over the target; the FLAK sure seems to be increasing.
Cheers, Kevin