Bishop Hill reports:
…there was a debate at the Fisher House / Von Hugel Institute seminar “Global Warming & Equitable Development: the Ethical and Political Priorities” last night, and MIT’s Dr. Richard Lindzen was invited.
Chaired by Rowan Williams, with a panel of: Lord Deben, Prof Sir Brian Hoskins, Prof Richard Lindzen, Prof Peter Wadhams (Prof Physics & Head of Polar Ocean Physics Group, Cambridge), Professor Sir Colin Humphrey (Cambridge), Prof John Loughlin Von Hugel Institute), Prof Chris Whitty (long job title – govt advisor) & Peter Lilley (late addition, not advertised), plus a paper by Prof Emeritus Tony Kelly (Cambridge) read by his son as he was unwell.
I’d expected this to be a bit of a greenfest with Lindzen as the token denier but it wasn’t at all. The panel was quite balanced in representation of “warmist” and “denier” viewpoint as was the audience, and it was quite a civilized affair.
That is, until Bob Ward got onto Twitter afterwards…..
Twitter / ret_ward: .@mehdirhasan But why have …
Bob Ward @ret_ward .@mehdirhasan Yet another example of the media hosting a falsely balanced debate about climate science instead of covering the real issues.
Mehdi Hasan Mehdi Hasan @mehdirhasan @ret_ward 1) Not true at all. Its not a ‘balanced debate’. Its a fair but tough interrogation of his views. I’m not neutral on this.
Bob Ward Bob Ward @ret_ward .@mehdirhasan But why have you made Lindzen the focus of the debate? He no longer contributes to the science and is irrelevant to policy.
Mehdi Hasan Mehdi Hasan @mehdirhasan @ret_ward But he’s not irrelevant to the world, is he? You (and me) not liking his views doesn’t make him disappear, does it? Or his claims?
Mehdi Hasan Mehdi Hasan @mehdirhasan @ret_ward Which ‘sceptic’ would you like me to interview? He’s more credible than the rest. Or is your position, no intvs with them, ever?
Ben Pile Ben Pile @clim8resistance Oh, look, Bob Ward @ret_ward trying to close down debate and discussion again. The self-appointed censor has no shame. @mehdirhasan
Richard Lindzen – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Richard Siegmund Lindzen (born February 8, 1940) is an American atmospheric physicist and Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Lindzen is known for his work in the dynamics of the middle atmosphere, atmospheric tides and ozone photochemistry. He has published more than 200 scientific papers and books.[1] He was a lead author of Chapter 7, ‘Physical Climate Processes and Feedbacks,’ of the IPCC Third Assessment Report on climate change.
Bob Ward – Grantham Research Institute on climate Chnage and the Environment
Background
Bob joined the London School of Economics and Political Science (LSE) from Risk Management Solutions, where he was Director of Public Policy.
He also worked at the Royal Society, the UK national academy of science, for eight years, until October 2006. His responsibilities there included leading the media relations team.
He has also worked as a freelance science writer and journalist.
Bob has a first degree in geology and an unfinished PhD thesis on palaeopiezometry.
He is a Fellow of the Geological Society.
Thanks to Tom Nelson for spotting these.
UPDATE: Bishop Hill writes in with a clarification.
These are actually different debates. Bob Ward is trying to punish Mehdi Hasan and Al Jazeera for hosting Lindzen at the Oxford Union tomorrow. The Cambridge event was yesterday.
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Palaeopiezometry: the study of Neolithic fast food products (cf: PiezoHut).
Louis Hoofstetter’s piezometer is properly known as a Casagrande piezometer. It measures pressure in an aquifer under artesian conditions. Paleopiezometry has nothing to do with hydrology. Instead, the procedure measures the ductile deformation of crystals to estimate the loads on large deformed rock masses. A quartz crystal under mechanical stress accumulates a peizoelectric field as do several other materials. In any case, paleopiezometry is a pretty narrow and specialized field of interest.
What’s in a name? (my emphases)
“Dr. Gmelch states that the Ward Clan is acknowledged by other Travellers as one of the “oldest families on the road.” Stating that their name is derived from Mac an Bhaird, or “Son of the Bard,” she suggests that perhaps they took to the road as fugitives from English laws against their traditional, musical profession of singing songs and reciting poetry in the Irish language.
Social issues;
Travellers are said to frequently live without running water or electricity. Their itinerant lifestyle can sometimes result in apparent poor education, as the children cannot always get a consistent education because of moving around frequently. However, due to longstanding verbal and musical traditions associated with Traveller communities, there is widespread and advanced use of vocabulary and social skills.”
Ward: Tinker, guard, marsh-dweller
\’wink’ emoticon here
Just out of curiousity, is a “First Degree” the equivalent of an Bachelor’s or Master’s in the US? Mr. Ward also never finished his Ph. D. I note.
ianl8888 says:
March 7, 2013 at 1:32 pm
Lighten up ffs – there have been nearly 40 million visits to WUWT in the last year – and some of us are, usually, nothing-but-frivolous about all alarmism and the adherents of such. It doesn’t categorically make us anti … well, anything other than alarmism. They deserve all the derision they cannot handle. It’s far, far cheaper than policy.
Here’s some Bobwardian thinking from the soft sciences.
http://www.amazon.com/Engaging-Climate-Change-Psychoanalytic-Interdisciplinary/dp/0415667623/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
“Ward studied geology to degree level and has an unfinished PhD on palaeopiezometry, the study of the structure of rocks.”
Well, I have numerous unfinished PhDs on a variety of climate topics, all but none of which I’ve yet to complete starting. /sarc
Don’t criticise his academic level, I heard he just finished his first book.
In fact he starts reading his second book next week.
To Bob Ward – I don’t know what it is exactly that you’re saying but this is what I’m hearing- “please don’t disrupt the gravy train!”
Bob Ward is obviously another climate varmint spreading CAGW disease.
Maybe someone upset him last night but Sir Brian Hoskins was speaking today in Lincoln and said that the Global Climate Models are conservative, do not take the thresholds into account, are likely to be wrong in a way that underestimates climate change and that we will be ‘very lucky’ if things turn out as well as the models forecast.
I love it when scientists dare to tell it how it is.
If Palaeopiezometry is the study of ancient standing water levels, I think that there is now empirical evidence that a Palaeopiezmetrist is a level headed person. You can tell this because when they are standing level faecal matter and dribble emanates from both sides of their mouth equally when they talk. : > )
(With apologies to any other Palaeopiezmetrists)
@Josualdo says:
March 7, 2013 at 10:36 am
rogerknights says:
March 7, 2013 at 9:46 am
One amusing sociological finding is that job categories are disproportionately filled with persons having names relating to their field.
Re – such as the neurologist dr. Brain and the psychiatrist dr. Dement. (Is there a cardiologist dr Hart?)
Try, Neil, David and Mark Hart, MDs and cardiologists all.
Latitude says:
March 7, 2013 at 7:39 am
“palaeopiezometry.??????? huh
Does anyone know what that is?”
Well, I wouldn’t waste time asking Bob Ward…
I missed it but which ward is Bob in and where exactly are we supposed to send the get well cards?
observa says:
March 7, 2013 at 3:34 pm
I missed it but which ward is Bob in and where exactly are we supposed
to send the get well cards?
erm, probably the bass-ack ward, I suspect….
Rehashed for the umpteenth time, but my first impression was that palaeopiezometry was the measurement of force needed to squeeze old things enough that they emit the particular “Truth” you wanted. Or, maybe not.
Palaeopiezometry is the determination of past stress fields, which can provide major constraints on tectonic models. Microstructural methods have concentrated mainly on measuring differential stress and the orientation of the stress tensor.
http://books.google.co.id/books?id=SAo7QZ80vPsC&pg=PA98&lpg=PA98&dq=palaeopiezometry&source=bl&ots=wOb4x1NV0J&sig=Ijg7RXtH9aU9dcWotZ8P2DbDAbM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=90M5UffzPIP3rQeTzIC4BQ&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=palaeopiezometry&f=false
So I’m still unsure of what use it is.
And this epitomizes the fault with the whole “97%” of climate scientists agree” meme.
Because anyone working in a microscopic (good word!) spectrum vague related to climate science sees a chance to climb on the funding bandwagon, whilst they have very little knowledge or experience in matters applicable to the main themes of CAGW.
Whereas an atmospheric physicist such as Richard Lindzen does.
Ya gotta marvel at the hide of this man Bob Ward. He must have known CVs would be dragged out and compared.
Just don’t go asking about Gastroenterologists, Urologists, Proctologists, or Gynecologists…
Lets determine if Professor Richard Lindzen is credentialed enough and has contributed to climate science (even recently),
Richard S. Lindzen, A.B. Physics Magna Cum Laude, Harvard University (1960); S.M. Applied Mathematics, Harvard University (1961); Ph.D. Applied Mathematics, Harvard University (1964); Research Associate in Meteorology, University of Washington (1964-1965); NATO Post-Doctoral Fellow, Institute for Theoretical Meteorology, University of Oslo (1965-1966); Research Scientist, National Center for Atmospheric Research (1966-1967); Visiting Lecturer in Meteorology, UCLA (1967); NCAR Outstanding Publication Award (1967); AMS Meisinger Award (1968); Associate Professor and Professor of Meteorology, University of Chicago (1968-1972); Summer Lecturer, NCAR Colloquium (1968, 1972, 1978); AGU Macelwane Award (1969); Visiting Professor, Department of Environmental Sciences, Tel Aviv University (1969); Alfred P. Sloan Fellowship (1970-1976); Gordon McKay Professor of Dynamic Meteorology, Harvard University (1972-1983); Visiting Professor of Dynamic Meteorology, Massachusetts Institute of Technology (1975); Lady Davis Visiting Professor, Department of Meteorology, The Hebrew University (1979); Director, Center for Earth and Planetary Physics, Harvard University (1980-1983); Robert P. Burden Professor of Dynamical Meteorology, Harvard University (1982-1983); AMS Charney Award (1985); Vikram Amblal Sarabhai Professor, Physical Research Laboratory, Ahmedabad, India (1985); Japanese Society for the Promotion of Science Fellowship (1986-1987); Distinguished Visiting Scientist, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA (1988-Present); Sackler Visiting Professor, Tel Aviv University (1992); Landsdowne Lecturer, University of Victoria (1993); Bernhard Haurwitz Memorial Lecturer, American Meteorological Society (1997); Fellow, American Academy of Arts & Sciences; Fellow, American Association for the Advancement of Science; Fellow, American Geophysical Union; Fellow, American Meteorological Society; Member, Norwegian Academy of Science and Letters; Member, Sigma Xi, The Scientific Research Society; Member, National Academy of Sciences; ISI Highly Cited Researcher; Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, Massachusetts Institute of Technology (1983-Present); Lead Author, IPCC (2001)
The Role of Convective Model Choice in Calculating the Climate Impact of Doubling CO2
(Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences, Volume 39, Issue 6, pp. 1189–1205, June 1982)
– Richard S. Lindzen, A. Y. Hou, B. F. Farrell
Some Coolness Concerning Global Warming
(Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, Volume 71, Issue 3, pp. 288–299, March 1990)
– Richard S. Lindzen
Some remarks on global warming
(Environmental Science & Technology, Volume 24, Issue 4, pp. 424–426, April 1990)
– Richard S. Lindzen
Distribution of Tropical Tropospheric Water Vapor
(Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences, Volume 50, Issue 12, pp. 1643-1660, June 1993)
– De-Zheng Sun, Richard S. Lindzen
On the scientific basis for global warming scenarios
(Environmental Pollution, Volume 83, Issues 1–2, pp. 125–134, 1994)
– Richard S. Lindzen
Climate Dynamics and Global Change
(Annual Review of Fluid Mechanics, Volume 26, pp. 353-378, January 1994)
– Richard S. Lindzen
Can increasing carbon dioxide cause climate change?
(Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Volume 94, Number 16, pp. 8335-8342, August 1997)
– Richard S. Lindzen
On the climatic implications of volcanic cooling
(Journal of Geophysical Research, Volume 103, Issue D6, pp. 5929-5942, March 1998)
– Richard S. Lindzen, Constantine Giannitsis
Does the Earth Have an Adaptive Infrared Iris?
(Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, Volume 82, Issue 3, pp. 417-432, March 2001)
– Richard S. Lindzen, Ming-Dah Chou, Arthur Y. Hou
Do deep ocean temperature records verify models?
(Geophysical Research Letters, Volume 29, Number 8, April 2002)
– Richard S. Lindzen
Reconciling observations of global temperature change
(Geophysical Research Letters, Volume 29, Issue 12, pp. 24-1, June 2002)
– Richard S. Lindzen, Constantine Giannitsis
Observed variations in convective precipitation fraction and stratiform area with sea surface temperature
(Journal of Geophysical Research, Volume 113, Issue D16, August 2008)
– Roberto Rondanelli, Richard S. Lindzen
On the determination of climate feedbacks from ERBE data
(Geophysical Research Letters, Volume 36, Number 16, August 2009)
– Richard S. Lindzen, Yong-Sang Choi
Can thin cirrus clouds in the tropics provide a solution to the faint young Sun paradox?
(Journal of Geophysical Research, Volume 115, Issue D2, January 2010)
– Roberto Rondanelli, Richard S. Lindzen
Satellite retrievals of (quasi-)spherical particles at cold temperatures
(Geophysical Research Letters, Volume 37, Number 5, March 2010)
– Yong-Sang Choi, Chang-Hoi Ho, Jinwon Kim, Richard S. Lindzen
Space observations of cold-cloud phase change
(Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Volume 107, Issue 25, pp. 11211-11216, June 2010)
– Yong-Sang Choi, Richard S. Lindzen, Chang-Hoi Ho, Jinwon Kim
Observational diagnosis of cloud phase in the winter Antarctic atmosphere for parameterizations in climate models
(Advances in Atmospheric Sciences, Volume 27, Number 6, pp. 1233-1245, November 2010)
– Yong-Sang Choi, Chang-Hoi Ho, Sang-Woo Kim, Richard S. Lindzen
On the Observational Determination of Climate Sensitivity and Its Implications
(Asia-Pacific Journal of Atmospheric Sciences, Volume 47, Number 4, pp. 377-390, August 2011)
– Richard S. Lindzen, Yong-Sang Choi
Climate physics, feedbacks, and reductionism (and when does reductionism go too far?)
(The European Physical Journal Plus, Volume 127, Number 5, pp. 1-15, May 2012)
– Richard S. Lindzen
@ur momisugly Poptech,
Its for sure then, Bob Ward is right Richard Lindzen is not a climatologist.
CAGW Bob does not recognize real scientists.
MikeB says:
March 7, 2013 at 11:35 am
…
Bob Ward published an article in the Guardian (he is allowed to because he is’ on message’) and, not surprisingly, the majority of comments were marked as ‘Comment removed’.
I suggest next time a Bob Ward article appears, WUWT readers organize a campaign to bombard the thread with comments reading ‘Comment removed’.
Don’t any geologists read and comment at WUWT?
http://www.tech-faq.com/piezoelectric-effect.html
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I knew this but I’ve never heard of Bob Ward.
Delingpole takes a look at Bob Ward in an column entitled “What On Earth Is Bob Ward?”
He was not impressed with the answer he found.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100058818/what-on-earth-is-bob-ward/
Piezo – means to press tight. In piezo electric, the force or pressure on the material causes voltage potential I believe. palaeopiezometry must be the study of fossil stuff under pressure.