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I’m sure readers remember the billboard put out by Heartland that didn’t go over at all well with many. Here’s another asking “Who do you believe”?
It’s a tough question for the pro AGW side, and an easy answer for everyone else. You can choose your answer in the poll.
This billboard was done by CFACT.org
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One more day to save the Arctic! Greenpiss at it as usual, asking people to sign up now and get their name placed at the bottom of the ocean as they head up there for an all expense funded jolly.
http://www.savethearctic.org/
Oh btw, 30 years ago they launched a similar campaign in Antarctic and it worked, global warming is banned from there to this day.
Since the statements are not mutually exclusive the fallacious poll should include “both” as a choice, even though I don’t think it would get many votes here 😉
None of them is a scientist able to give a professional opinion, so my answer is clear.
Dang, I fell for it. I picked Obama as having the right statement, as it pertains to the simple fact that CO2 is a greenhouse gas contributing some 0.1C to global temperature, but that has nothing to do with the question.
Thanks for the brain teaser though. Will be sharper next time.
John West says:
February 9, 2013 at 1:20 pm
Don’t forget the Boston Flood…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molasses_Flood
There is no way to guess what the author of the billboard’s choice is. I suppose to him it is obvious. Obama may not be saying what he believes and Gore may not be the clown to the author that he is to most looking upon the billboard. Often there is a clue in how the pictures look. Obama looks shifty and Al has been airbrushed sincere with 25 years knocked off. I’ll bite. The advertiser still looks on Al Gorezeera as a hero.
Jimbo says:
February 9, 2013 at 10:25 am
Al Gore
“Hurricane Sany is a disturbing sign of things to come”
Obviously not disturbing enough, so much so that Gore pocket $100 million of dirty, big oil money within the last 2 months? Even Gore doesn’t believe his own nonsense anymore.
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I wonder if we could start a campaign to tell people that Gore/CAGW is funded by big oil. At least this time it would be true.
First question to answer is who are Heartland? – A right of centre political thinktank, or essentially a bunch of hired guns paid to forward the interests of multi-national corporations.
Next question – which statement is correct. Both are basing their comments on the overwhelming body of scientific evidence that points to climate change as reality that effects us now and will increasingly do so in future. No Scientific Institution of national standing in the world now disagrees with this postion including the last to concede The American Association of Petrolium Geologists (I’m guessing they’re not a bunch of shrill environmentalists). You can check detaiils here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change
Obama is essentially correct that we are unable to definatively state that any single weather event is caused by climate change.
However Gore is also correct. He is not definatively saying that Sandy was caused by climate change but that in future we can expect more extreme storms like Sandy which is entirely in line with Scientific advice.
Hey Möbius, it’s clear you don’t know much about right-wing think-tanks. Such as the corporate nonsense. The left gets more corporate money than the right, and there’s more money in global warming alarmism than skepticism.
But that’s probably too subtle for someone who didn’t even notice that Heartland didn’t make this billboard to understand.
I’ll probably get my head bitten off for that…
Say about President Obama what you want, but stupid he is NOT. So I think he knows well enough that CAGW is bogus, and that is why we have neither carbon cap and trade nor carbon taxes. True, he had to appease his base in his inauguration speech… So, having said that, in that respect, I really do believe him.
Nick Stokes says:
February 9, 2013 at 2:25 pm
“1. Smoking causes lung cancer”
Unlike me, I guess you have never known a smoker that did not get lung cancer.
You need the word “can” in there.
Smoking can cause lung cancer.
My mother died of lung cancer. I attribute that to smoking. But, as you say, I have no proof.
The odd thing is that until a smoker dies at an advanced age of something totally unrelated to cancer, say a smoking centenarian dies after falling off a horse, we can’t be sure.
But, for A. G. and B. O., I think they usually say what they believe, like when the latter said our insurance costs would not go up under his plan. He believed it. Did you? Do you now?
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2010/10/cost-of-health-care-plans-to-increase-14-in-2011/
Obama in his first words said, “we can’t attribute any particular weather event to climate change.”
“What we do know is the temperature around the globe is increasing faster than was predicted even 10 years ago. We do know that the Artic icecap is melting faster than was predicted even five years ago. We do know that … there have been an extraordinary large number of severe weather events here in North America but also around the globe,” he said.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/11/14/say-what-obama-on-sandy-we-cant-attribute-any-particular-weather-event-to-climate-change/
First of all, I don’t believe Obama really “knows” if what he is saying is true or not, he is merely relying on the opinions of others. Further, he doesn’t want be seen as someone who says “I don’t know the answer”. Finally, millions of people are looking at Obama as their spiritual leader, and leaders of that type have to know everything; otherwise he’ll begin to lose the confidence of those who can’t, won’t, or refuse to think for themselves….
I am not an American. nor a scientist
But I remember what Einstein said and predicted and the value he added to human understanding.
who was the president then ? I have no idea. and who cares what he thought of relativity?
and who was the failure of a president wannabe in 1905 ? who cares
Obama and Gore are nothing.
Reblogged this on This Got My Attention and commented:
More failures from Algore (aka Al Gore).
Maybe you passed 7th grade physics, but you failed 3rd grade English. 😉
Mobius Loop says:
February 9, 2013 at 3:59 pm
First question to answer is who are Heartland? – A right of centre political thinktank, or essentially a bunch of hired guns paid to forward the interests of multi-national corporations.
Next question – which statement is correct. Both are basing their comments on the overwhelming body of scientific evidence that points to climate change as reality that effects us now and will increasingly do so in future. No Scientific Institution of national standing in the world now disagrees with this postion including the last to concede The American Association of Petrolium Geologists (I’m guessing they’re not a bunch of shrill environmentalists). You can check detaiils here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change
Obama is essentially correct that we are unable to definatively state that any single weather event is caused by climate change.
However Gore is also correct. He is not definatively saying that Sandy was caused by climate change but that in future we can expect more extreme storms like Sandy which is entirely in line with Scientific advice.
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Mobius Loop,
I ask you to trust me when I say that you aren’t saying anything anybody here hasn’t heard when you refer to an large body of research that claims AGW is real, or that the position of numerous institutions is in agreement with this theory.
I hope that I’m not telling you anything you don’t know by pointing out that it matters not at all if every scientific publication ever conceived by man and every scientific institution that ever existed hold with utter certainty that AGW is real. Scientific fact is not determined by opinion poll, no matter how overwhelming the numbers polled or how prestigious the institutions involved. There are regular posters here who find various parts of the scientific argument not compelling, or the observed evidence to be wanting. I’m certain they’d be delighted to elaborate if you’d care to lay out what you believe the scientific AGW case to be. I know I’d be glad to, if you’d be specific.
Until then, for my part I’m content to note that it requires no invocation of AGW to explain Sandy, and that by any metric I know of hurricanes have NOT been shown to be increasing in number or intensity since the advent of industrialization and increases in atmospheric CO2.
Obama was for it before he was against it. (Or was it the other way around?)
There has to be some trick meaning to what your President is saying.
What the poll forgot to ask, is who believes both?
Neither is correct. Barry’s answer IMPLIES that there IS Gorebull Warming and some of the extreme weather MAY be attributed to it. There isn’t and you can’t.
It’s just silly to show pictures of politicians and then use the word “believe”.
What’s the difference between Heartland’s billboard and CFACT’s billboard?
Heartland’s billboard only had one scoundrel on it.
I used to work with a guy whose two stock statements about telling the truth were.
“I always tell the truth……but I also tell lies” and “I always tell the truth…. as I see it”
I think either one of these would fit for the two “gentlemen” in question or “I always tell the truth…. that fits the agenda at the time”
I can’t remember who it was who said that you could tell when a politician was lying. Their lips moved.
James Bull
Ian Weiss says:
February 9, 2013 at 11:21 am
Of all of the things skeptics can put on billboards – a graph of global temperature, dissenting quotes from highly esteemed scientists, etc. – why on Earth would they put up these quotes from obama and gore?
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Because the American public, especially in Chicago, is brain dead and believes every word a politician says, if the politician is a democrat.
Since the question is about climate change, I believe Obama.