People send me stuff.
I’m sure readers remember the billboard put out by Heartland that didn’t go over at all well with many. Here’s another asking “Who do you believe”?
It’s a tough question for the pro AGW side, and an easy answer for everyone else. You can choose your answer in the poll.
This billboard was done by CFACT.org
john robertson says:
February 9, 2013 at 10:17 am
I hate it when a serial liar says something thats true.
But a damn fine billboard as it pits the true believers against themselves, Al Gore the gift that keeps on giving.
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Looks like they’re willing to give up Al Gore and CAGW for us to say we believe in Obama.
Couldn’t do it.
I said neither.
cn
Of all of the things skeptics can put on billboards – a graph of global temperature, dissenting quotes from highly esteemed scientists, etc. – why on Earth would they put up these quotes from obama and gore?
As we have seen, Obama is a psychopathic lying prodigy. Everything Obama says is a component of larger, more elaborate and complex system of lies; stacked like Halloween treats for the evil one, who is Obama’s father and greatest mentor.
(No; I am not kidding)
Just checked it…Al’s got 7 votes????????????
cn
Personally, I believe EVERYTHING Obama doesn’t say.
I voted for Pres B O. Although I agree with what he stated as the truth, I don’t believe that He believes it as the truth
@JazzyT: yep – false dilemma. Voting on semantics.
Here, Gore is right because Sandy-type events have happened numerous times before and will occur again. Obama is right also. Either one or both can be deemed correct in this instance, and can equally be deemed unbelievable. If, on reflection, you think you made the wrong choice, just vote again 🙂
@Chuck Nolan 11:20, neither could I, just cause Obama’s statement is correct does mean I have sufficient faith to believe.
Sandy is a disturbing sign of things to come as the climate cools.
This is one of those strange incidents where Obama managed to say the right thing, even though he thought that he was lying at the time.
Apparently his ignorance and his mendacity canceled each other out on this one.
The poll is not worded which statement is correct. It asks “Who do you believe”.
People need to work on their reading comprehension.
I will forego the survey.
Why does anyone think either of their statements have a reasonably significant basis from an objective scientific method?
If they make some statement about climate science using an invalid scientific process, and even if their statement is shown to agree with the findings of an objectively valid scientific process then their statement still is not a scientifically valid statement.
Scientifically, the method / process used to arrive at some statement is the essence of the validity of the statement itself.
Clearly, based on their historical narratives on climate, neither Gore nor Obama used a reasonably objective and balanced climate science process. I have zero evidence they have fundamentally shifted their long standing and well known alarming AGW belief. So, I find this WUWT survey about the validity of their statements is not a viable one.
John
I don’t think Watts understands the concept of ‘false dichotomy’.
In this case, both are correct. The increasing level of energy in the system is creating more frequent unusual weather events, and Sandy had more energy because the ocean was warmer than normal. In that sense, Sandy being as powerful as it was is compatible with AGW, and we can expect more events like that as the energy continues to build up. At the same time, there is never a uniform distribution of energy in the system; unusual events have always happened. In isolation, you can’t make anything out of a single event. However, since we are seeing an increase in the rate of unusual events globally, it would be incorrect to pretend that every event was the only event happening.
Here’s a better billboard:
“Al Gore is a disturbing sign of things to come” Along with some examples of his extreme hypocrisy and “Do as I say, not as I do” ethos.
Given his propensity to state things that are diametrically opposite to what he does or means, I placed them both in the “don’t trust” category.
I’m waiting on the biography “In The Shoes of a Clown,” but I don’t think anyone is going to write it.
Actually I don’t believe either one, but both statements are correct. All major storms are disturbing, and of course there will be more of them. There always have been. With inflation, each major storm has the potential of costing more than the last one.
I see from the vote tally that 60% of respondents believe neither Obama nor Gore, 40% give Obama the benefit of the doubt and less than 1 % believe Al Gore. Sounds about right to me. A pretty good poster.
Voicing my agreement with those who express distrust regardless of the fact that President Obama happens to be occupying a factually correct position in that instant snapshot. Why is it that the only politicians I think are basically honest come across as complete nut cases (yes I’m referring to Ron Paul)? It’s indicative of something terribly sad and wrong, although I can’t put my finger on exactly what…
Ken Hall says:
February 9, 2013 at 9:46 am
That was a tough question, I instinctively disbelieve anything either of them say.
However on that one quote alone, Obama was correct.
Sure he was correct. But the question was “who do you believe.
I voted Neither one. Think about it.
h.oldeboom says:
February 9, 2013 at 10:25 am
“In the Netherlands, politicians are the most experienced lyers in the country; how are they in the USA?”
Likewise with our politicians, however they are not the best liars, as Douglas Addams said “The purpose of the office of the President is not to wield power, but to draw attention away from it.” or something very close that, so of course the best liars are those we don’t know are lying.
Wow. Based on the poll, the correct answer is “neither one.” So not attributing any particular weather event to climate change is a false statement, and so is attributing a weather event to climate change. Now I’m confused.
Sadly, al-Gore’s statement is correct in the sense that people have failed to prepare for even relatively mild storms. They’ve built neighborhoods on flood plains and stopped building flood control and water supply dams. Sandy IS a sign of “things to come” in the sense that humanity seems to have forgotten the kinds of storms that were more common even during the 20th century. Unfortunately the believers are under the impression that “things to come” refers to weather events, not the folly of modern civilization.
0bama was simply parroting what someone wrote for him to say, however his statement is also accurate. We CAN’T attribute any single event to “global warming”, for the simple fact that it’s not possible to compare the event to how it would be without any human factors.
History shows that storms are more extreme where temperature differentials are greater, ie a COOLER planet.
I didn’t vote because I refuse to answer whether I still beat my wife.
Sean on February 9, 2013 at 11:41 am:
“The poll is not worded which statement is correct. It asks ‘Who do you believe’.
“People need to work on their reading comprehension.”
Very good point. Very astute. Thanks, now it’s easy for me to answer: Neither.
The President and “neither” were correct in their own way…..Goracle shafted.
Warmers tried it on yesterday with blaming warm sea off the NE coast of the States for the
blizzard….however Bob Tidsdale came up with a graph going back to 1854….no change
In temps….haha.
h.oldeboom says:
February 9, 2013 at 10:25 am
In the Netherlands, politicians are the most experienced lyers in the country; how are they in the USA?
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they probably train your guys.