From Rice University comes this study that tries to equate an analog circuit component onto a climate forcing component. It is an interesting approach. The idea that plate tectonics serves to modulate episodic volcanic activity also makes sense.
Volcano location could be greenhouse-icehouse key
Study: Episodic purging of ‘carbonate capacitor’ drives long-term climate cycle, greenhouse-icehouse oscillations are a natural consequence of plate tectonics.
Carbonate Capacitor

HOUSTON — (Feb. 6, 2013) — A new Rice University-led study finds the real estate mantra “location, location, location” may also explain one of Earth’s enduring climate mysteries. The study suggests that Earth’s repeated flip-flopping between greenhouse and icehouse states over the past 500 million years may have been driven by the episodic flare-up of volcanoes at key locations where enormous amounts of carbon dioxide are poised for release into the atmosphere.
“We found that Earth’s continents serve as enormous ‘carbonate capacitors,'” said Rice’s Cin-Ty Lee, the lead author of the study in this month’s GeoSphere. “Continents store massive amounts of carbon dioxide in sedimentary carbonates like limestone and marble, and it appears that these reservoirs are tapped from time to time by volcanoes, which release large amounts of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.”
Lee said as much as 44 percent of carbonates by weight is carbon dioxide. Under most circumstances that carbon stays locked inside Earth’s rigid continental crust.
“One process that can release carbon dioxide from these carbonates is interaction with magma,” he said. “But that rarely happens on Earth today because most volcanoes are located on island arcs, tectonic plate boundaries that don’t contain continental crust.”
Earth’s climate continually cycles between greenhouse and icehouse states, which each last on timescales of 10 million to 100 million years. Icehouse states — like the one Earth has been in for the past 50 million years — are marked by ice at the poles and periods of glacial activity. By contrast, the warmer greenhouse states are marked by increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and by an ice-free surface, even at the poles. The last greenhouse period lasted about 50 million to 70 million years and spanned the late Cretaceous, when dinosaurs roamed, and the early Paleogene, when mammals began to diversify.
Lee and colleagues found that the planet’s greenhouse-icehouse oscillations are a natural consequence of plate tectonics. The research showed that tectonic activity drives an episodic flare-up of volcanoes along continental arcs, particularly during periods when oceans are forming and continents are breaking apart. The continental arc volcanoes that arise during these periods are located on the edges of continents, and the magma that rises through the volcanoes releases enormous quantities of carbon dioxide as it passes through layers of carbonates in the continental crust.
Lee, professor of Earth science at Rice, led the four-year study, which was co-authored by three Rice faculty members and additional colleagues at the University of Tokyo, the University of British Columbia, the California Institute of Technology, Texas A&M University and Pomona College.
Lee said the study breaks with conventional theories about greenhouse and icehouse periods.
“The standard view of the greenhouse state is that you draw carbon dioxide from the deep Earth interior by a combination of more activity along the mid-ocean ridges — where tectonic plates spread — and massive breakouts of lava called ‘large igneous provinces,'” Lee said. “Though both of these would produce more carbon dioxide, it is not clear if these processes alone could sustain the atmospheric carbon dioxide that we find in the fossil record during past greenhouses.”
Lee is a petrologist and geochemist whose research interests include the formation and evolution of continents as well as the connections between deep Earth and its oceans and atmosphere..
Lee said the conclusions in the study developed over several years, but the initial idea of the research dates to an informal chalkboard-only seminar at Rice in 2008. The talk was given by Rice oceanographer and study co-author Jerry Dickens, a paleoclimate expert; Lee and Rice geodynamicist Adrian Lenardic, another co-author, were in the audience.
“Jerry was talking about seawater in the Cretaceous, and he mentioned that 93.5 million years ago there was a mass extinction of deepwater organisms that coincided with a global marine anoxic event — that is, the deep oceans became starved of oxygen,” Lee said. “Jerry was talking about the impact of anoxic conditions on the biogeochemical cycles of trace metals in the ocean, but I don’t remember much else that he said that day because it had dawned on me that 93 million years ago was a very interesting time for North America. There was a huge flare-up of volcanism along the western margin of North America, and the peak of all this activity was 93 million years ago.
“I thought, ‘Wow!'” Lee recalled. “I know coincidence doesn’t mean causality, but it certainly got me thinking. I decided to look at whether the flare-up in volcanic activity that helped create the Sierra Nevada Mountains may also have affected Earth’s climate.”
Over the next two years, Lee developed the idea that continental-arc volcanoes could pump carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. One indicator was evidence from Mount Etna in Sicily, one of the few active continental-arc volcanoes in the world today. Etna produces large amounts of carbon dioxide, Lee said, so much that it is often considered an outlier in global averages of modern volcanic carbon dioxide production.
Tectonic and petrological evidence indicated that many Etna-like volcanoes existed during the Cretaceous greenhouse, Lee said. He and colleagues traced the likely areas of occurrence by looking for tungsten-rich minerals like scheelite, which are formed on the margins of volcanic magma chambers when magma reacts with carbonates. It wasn’t easy; Lee spent an entire year pouring through World War II mining surveys from the western U.S. and Canada, for example.
“There is evidence to support our idea, both in the geological record and in geophysical models, the latter of which show plausibility,” he said. For example, in a companion paper published last year in G-Cubed, Lenardic used numerical models that showed the opening and breakup of continents could change the nature of subduction zones, generating oscillations between continental- and island-arc dominated states.
Though the idea in the GeoSpheres study is still a theory, Lee said, it has some advantages over more established theories because it can explain how the same basic set of geophysical conditions could produce and sustain a greenhouse or an icehouse for many millions of years.
“The length of subduction zones and the number of arc volcanoes globally don’t have to change,” Lee said. “But the nature of the arcs themselves, whether they are continental or oceanic, does change. It is in the continental-arc stage that CO2 is released from an ever-growing reservoir of carbonates within the continents.”
Rice co-authors include Dickens and Lenardic, both professors of Earth science; Rajdeep Dasgupta, assistant professor of Earth science; Bing Shen, postdoctoral research associate; Benjamin Slotnick, graduate student; and Kelley Liao, a graduate student who began work on the project as undergraduate. Additional co-authors include Yusuke Yokoyama of the University of Tokyo, Mark Jellinek of the University of British Columbia, Jade Star Lackey of Pomona College, Tapio Schneider of Caltech and Michael Tice of Texas A&M. The research was supported by the Packard Foundation, the Atmosphere and Ocean Research Institute at the University of Tokyo, the National Science Foundation and the Miller Institute at the University of California, Berkeley.
A copy of the GeoSphere paper is available at: http://geosphere.geoscienceworld.org/content/9/1/21.abstract
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I think it may be more likely the other way around. The long term solar variation influences the volcanism and plate tectonics.
As others have pointed out, this paper is complete nonsense. It strives to keep the ‘CO2 as climate driver’ hypothesis alive, but (a) volcanoes by a very large factor produce far too little CO2, and even if they did produce a lot then (b) excess atmospheric CO2 doesn’t last long enough, (c) excess oceanic CO2 doesn’t last long enough [it quickly converts chemically and biologically and ends up on the ocean floor], and (d) Earth’s history shows that it didn’t happen.
re (b) : The timeframe here is 10’s to 100’s of millions of years. Atmospheric CO2 is gone in decades, or you could accept the IPCC’s “centuries”, and even if the THC brings it round again a few times that’s only a cycle of a few hundred years.
@richard, 1) my tone was precise and informative without any value judgment on your post or yourself, a courtesy you did not care to extend to me 2) if this is a scientific question, it requires a scientific background that is correct, which is the reason why I brought a correction to the readership including yourself. So relax…
Another example of ‘scenario painting’ without critical analysis of data. Would be nice if such ‘studies’ considered such things as:
(1) Volcanic activity has been going on since the Earth originated and there is no evidence that it is any different today than at other times in the Earth’s history. Every geologic period has its share of volcanic events.
(2) All volcanoes give off large amounts of CO2, which doesn’t come from melted limestone. Volcanic eruptions occur thru narrow conduits that have very limited surface area that could potentially interact with limestone. If large amounts of limestone were to be ejected by volcanoes we would expect to see lava and ash full of limestone fragments–we don’t.
(3) Volcanic eruptions are short-lived geologic events that only affect weather for a year or so and thus are incapable of sustaining long-term climate change.
(4) Plate tectonic processes are slow, climate changes are abrupt.
(5) CO2 as a cause of global warming has yet to be proven. If fact, all the evidence to date hows that it has only a miniscule effect on climate. CO2 always follows climatic events, rather than precluding them, even on short time scales. There is a lot of scientific evidence showing warming followed by increased atmospheric CO2 and none the other way around. CO2 accounts for only about 3% of the greenhouse effect (water makes up about 95%) and data shows a slight decline in atmospheric water vapor in the past 65 years while CO2 was rising.
There are lots of other reasons why this hypthesis isn’t credible, but you get the idea.
Richard
S. Meyer:
At February 8, 2013 at 8:33 am in response to my post at February 8, 2013 at 3:11 am you ask me the reasonable question
The link I provided is to the blog of Tom Nelson whom I have found to be reliable.
The link states that the leak was ‘sealed’ and the file of the ‘hacker’ is no longer available.
I have no reason to doubt the quotation.
I note that Geoff Chambers has posted in this thread and has also made the same quotation. Assuming he did not copy it from my post on WUWT, perhaps he can help track down an original source.
Richard
TomRude:
My post addressed to you at February 8, 2013 at 8:30 am said in total
At February 8, 2013 at 12:27 pm you have responded saying
My tone was precise and informative without any value judgment on your post or yourself, a courtesy you did not care to extend to me. So relax…
Richard
I was going to add this thought for a open thread weekend but for my tuppence woth of insight. One assumption is that the Earths’ atmosphere is of a consistent thickness and density. We know that the Earth has no free Helium due to the lightness of Helium and its escape velocity when energtically excited. The thermal excitation also applies to nitrogen, oxygen, argon , etc.Without replenishment eventually Earth will lose its atmosphere. The main source of replenishment is outgassing from volcanoes. Thus volcanic activity is a major factor in the amount of atmosphere. A quiet period will reduce in the amount of atmosphere and cooling temeperatures. High volcanic activity will increase the thickness of the atmosphere and the overall temperature. And volcanic activity is related to continenetal drift.
@richardscourtney
Thank you, Richard. This really puts this whole paper into a very different perspective.
Obviously Cook is as misinformed…
London247 says:
February 8, 2013 at 2:14 pm
“The main source of replenishment is outgassing from volcanoes. Thus volcanic activity is a major factor in the amount of atmosphere.”
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Worth far more than a tuppence. Back in the seventies (was that the Paleocene?) we used to talk about the “human volcano”. We should still be talking about it because we are a pretty respectable volcano. Never checked the calcs but heard it said we are on a par with the Siberian Traps. Wouldn’t it be hilarious if our major contribution to warming the planet was increasing the mass of the atmosphere?
All of the other changes are meaningful, from ocean circulation, wind patterns, volcanic activity, non-CO2 volcanic emissions, and albedo changes and effectiveness as land masses change latitude, BUT greenhouse anything is meaningless.
No gas of any kind at any concentration can warm the climate. The thermodynamics simply does not work. They claim that CO2 is warming the upper troposphere (at -17 Deg C) which then radiates IR to the surface (at 15 deg C) which then warms the lower troposphere. A cold body simply cannot warm a warmer body. Total failure of their model.
When the occupied energy levels of the cold body radiate appropriate to their temperature, the warmer body, with energy levels filled to its warmer temperature, will simply reflect the radiation as the energy levels equal to the colder radiation at thoroughly occupied. The colder radiation is rejected.
The IR radiation is sent back upwards and the weak IR absorption of the CO2 it passes through will have no meaningful effect. The greenhouse effect they claim totally ignores atmospheric convection which is responsible for up to 85% of heat transfer to altitude—real glass greenhouses work entirely by preventing convectional heat loss. This is why Trenberth has so much trouble with his missing heat that he likes to assume is lurking in the ocean depths waiting to jump out and rapidly warm the climate.
Just the assertion that a trace gas like CO2, let alone a gas with such a pathetic IR absorption spectrum like CO2, can warm the climate is laughable. Furthermore, when IR is absorbed by a gas molecule of any kind, it will be re-radiated immediately and in the same direction as it entered, just as any EM radiation passes through air. They claim that the upper troposphere is the site of warming as, at that altitude, radiation propagation is less effective and Raleigh scattering is greater. It is thus laughable that this thinner part of the atmosphere, with even thinner CO2, is supposed to be warming the planet. It beggars the imagination.
higley7 wrote;
“Just the assertion that a trace gas like CO2, let alone a gas with such a pathetic IR absorption spectrum like CO2, can warm the climate is laughable. Furthermore, when IR is absorbed by a gas molecule of any kind, it will be re-radiated immediately and in the same direction as it entered, just as any EM radiation passes through air. They claim that the upper troposphere is the site of warming as, at that altitude, radiation propagation is less effective and Raleigh scattering is greater. It is thus laughable that this thinner part of the atmosphere, with even thinner CO2, is supposed to be warming the planet. It beggars the imagination.”
Very well said, thank you.
The “alleged” “radiative greenhouse effect” simply delays some energy flowing as IR EM radiation by causing it to make several passes through the system at the speed of light.
It’s similar in some respects to the reflections at the end of an improperly terminated electrical transmission line, or the sound echo from a babbling brook in a narrow canyon. Neither effect adds any energy to the system. These effects just delay energy propagation, or concentrate energy into a more compact volume.
A multi layer optical interference filter will indeed (when properly designed) cause more energy to “stay here” (i.e. cause less reflection of EM radiation at a surface) but it requires constructive and destructive interference of EM radiation to function. While I’m open to the possibility that IR EM radiation is interfering at the atmosphere / Earth surface interface and causing a lower reflectance (albedo in climate science terms) I am highly doubtful that that is the case.
Cheers, Kevin.
Oh Dear.
This will lead to ‘Global Warming Forces Plate Tectonics’ and other nonsense.
Correct me if I’m wrong (and I can’t find the graph at the moment) but doesn’t CO2 increase/decrease lag behind temp increase/decrease by about 800 years, so this seems to be putting the cart before the horse. Or am I missing something?
James Bull
Tectonics and volcanic activity are interconnected. Volcanoes produce more CO2 than we do thank goodness since plants need CO2 and we all need plants.
lsvalgaard says:
February 8, 2013 at 11:20 am
“Seems you have cause and effect reversed. Volcanism may cause cold, cold does not cause volcanism”
Volcanic ash causes cold. Cold causes volcanos. Volcanos emit ash. No violation of causality.
pochas says:
February 9, 2013 at 3:51 am
Volcanic ash causes cold. Cold causes volcanos.
First part right.Second part wrong.
gymnosperm, thanks for your comment. I will look up ” human volcano”.I suppose the staring point would be to take average barometric pressue over the past century. The thought only arose becasue considering the four terrestial like planets, Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars. Mercury, no volcanoes no atmosphere. Mars, once volcanically active, sufficient to provide an atmosphpere for water to flow, now with a thin atmosphere, Venus, indications of vulcanism but its atmosphere must origiante from somewhere
Here’s a look at Temperatures and CO2 over the last 750 Million Years.
Its got the last two Snowball Earths, the Cambrian warm period (which looks hotter than I think we’ve thought of before, the hottest in fact over the period), the Ordovician extinction/ice age, the Carboniferous ice age, Pangea hothouse, Permian Extinction, Jurassic ice age (which few people know about), Carbonifeous hothouse (when sea level was 265 metres higher than today), the Eocene Maximum (which is not that maximum compared to other hothouses), the initial Antarctic glaciation (actually the fifth time Antarctica was under ice in this timeline), and the recent ice ages and CO2 at 3.0C per doubling (which is clearly too high for almost all of the record – something else is driving this climate – ours that is).
http://s4.postimage.org/5nwu2ppdp/Temp_CO2_750_Mya.png
There is no reason that the Milankovich cycles AND repeating tectonic perturbations cannot be both reconciled with ice ages. We would have to find a reason that the Earth were subject to stresses that caused the crust to move. The bigger trigger that occurs chronologically as Milankovich cycles.
A gravitational force, I suppose. Something that drags in an accelerating manner the solar system off course. That would cause the interior of our planet to “slosh around” as we circled the sun, in the same way that our brains slosh back forth in our skull as we accelerate around a curve in a racetrack.
Anyone for a black hole or two drifting around the perimeters of our galaxy?
At the same time the CO2 lobby got powerful the plate tectonics people had virtually this same theory except for the reversal of cause and effect. I think few people will fail to remember the climate scientists ridiculing the idea of volcanic activity being even relevant.