From Rice University comes this study that tries to equate an analog circuit component onto a climate forcing component. It is an interesting approach. The idea that plate tectonics serves to modulate episodic volcanic activity also makes sense.
Volcano location could be greenhouse-icehouse key
Study: Episodic purging of ‘carbonate capacitor’ drives long-term climate cycle, greenhouse-icehouse oscillations are a natural consequence of plate tectonics.
Carbonate Capacitor

HOUSTON — (Feb. 6, 2013) — A new Rice University-led study finds the real estate mantra “location, location, location” may also explain one of Earth’s enduring climate mysteries. The study suggests that Earth’s repeated flip-flopping between greenhouse and icehouse states over the past 500 million years may have been driven by the episodic flare-up of volcanoes at key locations where enormous amounts of carbon dioxide are poised for release into the atmosphere.
“We found that Earth’s continents serve as enormous ‘carbonate capacitors,'” said Rice’s Cin-Ty Lee, the lead author of the study in this month’s GeoSphere. “Continents store massive amounts of carbon dioxide in sedimentary carbonates like limestone and marble, and it appears that these reservoirs are tapped from time to time by volcanoes, which release large amounts of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.”
Lee said as much as 44 percent of carbonates by weight is carbon dioxide. Under most circumstances that carbon stays locked inside Earth’s rigid continental crust.
“One process that can release carbon dioxide from these carbonates is interaction with magma,” he said. “But that rarely happens on Earth today because most volcanoes are located on island arcs, tectonic plate boundaries that don’t contain continental crust.”
Earth’s climate continually cycles between greenhouse and icehouse states, which each last on timescales of 10 million to 100 million years. Icehouse states — like the one Earth has been in for the past 50 million years — are marked by ice at the poles and periods of glacial activity. By contrast, the warmer greenhouse states are marked by increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and by an ice-free surface, even at the poles. The last greenhouse period lasted about 50 million to 70 million years and spanned the late Cretaceous, when dinosaurs roamed, and the early Paleogene, when mammals began to diversify.
Lee and colleagues found that the planet’s greenhouse-icehouse oscillations are a natural consequence of plate tectonics. The research showed that tectonic activity drives an episodic flare-up of volcanoes along continental arcs, particularly during periods when oceans are forming and continents are breaking apart. The continental arc volcanoes that arise during these periods are located on the edges of continents, and the magma that rises through the volcanoes releases enormous quantities of carbon dioxide as it passes through layers of carbonates in the continental crust.
Lee, professor of Earth science at Rice, led the four-year study, which was co-authored by three Rice faculty members and additional colleagues at the University of Tokyo, the University of British Columbia, the California Institute of Technology, Texas A&M University and Pomona College.
Lee said the study breaks with conventional theories about greenhouse and icehouse periods.
“The standard view of the greenhouse state is that you draw carbon dioxide from the deep Earth interior by a combination of more activity along the mid-ocean ridges — where tectonic plates spread — and massive breakouts of lava called ‘large igneous provinces,'” Lee said. “Though both of these would produce more carbon dioxide, it is not clear if these processes alone could sustain the atmospheric carbon dioxide that we find in the fossil record during past greenhouses.”
Lee is a petrologist and geochemist whose research interests include the formation and evolution of continents as well as the connections between deep Earth and its oceans and atmosphere..
Lee said the conclusions in the study developed over several years, but the initial idea of the research dates to an informal chalkboard-only seminar at Rice in 2008. The talk was given by Rice oceanographer and study co-author Jerry Dickens, a paleoclimate expert; Lee and Rice geodynamicist Adrian Lenardic, another co-author, were in the audience.
“Jerry was talking about seawater in the Cretaceous, and he mentioned that 93.5 million years ago there was a mass extinction of deepwater organisms that coincided with a global marine anoxic event — that is, the deep oceans became starved of oxygen,” Lee said. “Jerry was talking about the impact of anoxic conditions on the biogeochemical cycles of trace metals in the ocean, but I don’t remember much else that he said that day because it had dawned on me that 93 million years ago was a very interesting time for North America. There was a huge flare-up of volcanism along the western margin of North America, and the peak of all this activity was 93 million years ago.
“I thought, ‘Wow!'” Lee recalled. “I know coincidence doesn’t mean causality, but it certainly got me thinking. I decided to look at whether the flare-up in volcanic activity that helped create the Sierra Nevada Mountains may also have affected Earth’s climate.”
Over the next two years, Lee developed the idea that continental-arc volcanoes could pump carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. One indicator was evidence from Mount Etna in Sicily, one of the few active continental-arc volcanoes in the world today. Etna produces large amounts of carbon dioxide, Lee said, so much that it is often considered an outlier in global averages of modern volcanic carbon dioxide production.
Tectonic and petrological evidence indicated that many Etna-like volcanoes existed during the Cretaceous greenhouse, Lee said. He and colleagues traced the likely areas of occurrence by looking for tungsten-rich minerals like scheelite, which are formed on the margins of volcanic magma chambers when magma reacts with carbonates. It wasn’t easy; Lee spent an entire year pouring through World War II mining surveys from the western U.S. and Canada, for example.
“There is evidence to support our idea, both in the geological record and in geophysical models, the latter of which show plausibility,” he said. For example, in a companion paper published last year in G-Cubed, Lenardic used numerical models that showed the opening and breakup of continents could change the nature of subduction zones, generating oscillations between continental- and island-arc dominated states.
Though the idea in the GeoSpheres study is still a theory, Lee said, it has some advantages over more established theories because it can explain how the same basic set of geophysical conditions could produce and sustain a greenhouse or an icehouse for many millions of years.
“The length of subduction zones and the number of arc volcanoes globally don’t have to change,” Lee said. “But the nature of the arcs themselves, whether they are continental or oceanic, does change. It is in the continental-arc stage that CO2 is released from an ever-growing reservoir of carbonates within the continents.”
Rice co-authors include Dickens and Lenardic, both professors of Earth science; Rajdeep Dasgupta, assistant professor of Earth science; Bing Shen, postdoctoral research associate; Benjamin Slotnick, graduate student; and Kelley Liao, a graduate student who began work on the project as undergraduate. Additional co-authors include Yusuke Yokoyama of the University of Tokyo, Mark Jellinek of the University of British Columbia, Jade Star Lackey of Pomona College, Tapio Schneider of Caltech and Michael Tice of Texas A&M. The research was supported by the Packard Foundation, the Atmosphere and Ocean Research Institute at the University of Tokyo, the National Science Foundation and the Miller Institute at the University of California, Berkeley.
A copy of the GeoSphere paper is available at: http://geosphere.geoscienceworld.org/content/9/1/21.abstract
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albertalad says:
February 8, 2013 at 12:34 am
I asked the question about a year ago on this site how many volcanoes were they at any one time in the ocean….
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Thousand of new volcanoes revealed beneath the waves: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn12218-thousand-of-new-volcanoes-revealed-beneath-the-waves.html
Giant Underwater Volcanoes Discovered: http://news.discovery.com/earth/weather-extreme-events/volcanoes-sandwich-islands-110713.htm
Weird Underwater Volcano Discovered Near Baja: http://www.ouramazingplanet.com/3885-weird-volcano-found-baja.html
Giant Undersea Volcanoes Found Off Antarctica http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/07/110715-undersea-volcanoes-antarctica-science-tsunamis/
Oregon coast: Scientists find eruption at undersea volcano – after forecasting the event
http://oregonstate.edu/ua/ncs/archives/2011/aug/scientists-discover-new-eruption-undersea-volcano-after-forecasting-event
In other words they have no real idea.
sophocles says:
February 8, 2013 at 12:39 am
… and Nir Shaviv’s (2006, The Milky Way Galaxy’s Spiral Arms and Ice Age Epochs, and the
Cosmic Ray Connection)
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Links to those articles:
http://www.sciencebits.com/ice-ages
http://www.sciencebits.com/CosmicRaysClimate
Another: The Ocean as a Calorimeter
http://www.sciencebits.com/calorimeter
This whole glacial cycle thing has the earmarks of a positive feedback cycle. Tens of thousands of years of cold and then tomorrow it’s warm. I suggest this implicates volcanism as in this “work” although through a different mechanism and that is ocean floor shrinkage. Building an icecap means increased freeze/thaw action which generates both fresh water and cold dense brine which recharges the reservoir of cold deep ocean water. The interface between CDOW and surface water rises causing the ocean floor to shrink in certain regions opening sutures in the ocean floor rift zones with consequent volcanism. This would involve long time delays but once it got started suspended volcanic dust would cause pronounced cooling and also lay the foundation for an eventual recovery as once the dirty snow is exposed albedo would decrease and the climate would snap over into the warming phase once again. The signs of a cooling would be major volcanism in the northern regions of major ocean basins; Kamchatka/Alaska and Iceland. Later activity would move progressively toward the equator.
If all you have is a hammer…
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/GoldenHammer-en.gif
Gail Combs:
At February 8, 2013 at 5:37 am, in reply to thunderloon having said (at February 8, 2013 at 12:23 am)
You say
Then you provide several links.
There is an additional important point which is not often recognised.
Undersea volcanism may alter atmospheric CO2 by emission of sulphur (n.b. emission of sulphur and NOT CO2).
Sulphur ions from undersea volcanoes may travel with the thermohaline circulation until reaching the ocean surface layer some time later (which may be minutes, years or centuries later). These additional sulphur ions in the ocean surface layer will reduce the pH of the layer with resulting reduction to the solubility of CO2 in the layer. Importantly, this reduction to CO2 solubility alters the equilibrium concentrations of CO2 in the layer and the air.
A reduction to ocean surface layer pH of 0.1 would be far too small to be detectable but would be sufficient to have caused all the rise of atmospheric CO2 concentration since the industrial revolution.
I have only been able to read the abstract of the paper by Cin-Ty Lee et al. but it makes no mention of the possibility of ocean surface layer pH modulation from volcanic sulphur possibly affecting atmospheric CO2 concentration. This seems to be a strange omission from the paper which assumes volcanism increased atmospheric CO2 concentration by direct addition of CO2 to the air.
Richard
There has been a grand total of three snowcone episodes in the last 500m years, one of which we live in today. The present one did NOT start 50m years ago in the Eocene. Snowcone episodes in billions of years ago: 2, .8, .4, .3. .003. Not seeing a cycle here…oh, I know, they are emergent CO2 phenomena.
Aside to the Extinction Protocol: The north magnetic pole seems to be dividing and weakening. This may have something to do with persistant stratospheric and surface temperature anomalies in the Arctic, but the evidence of spreading rates from seafloor isochrons and other mafic vulcanism in Large Igneous Provinces indicates that the highest production rates we are aware of conicide with the Long Cretaceous Normal, the longest known period without a reversal. We associate stability with a strong magnetic field.
“I thought, ‘Wow!’” Lee recalled. “I know coincidence doesn’t mean causality, but it certainly got me thinking.
At least he is smart enough to know this.
if it was extra CO2 then it didn’t cause runaway, catastrophic warming. Why would that be?
Geoff Sherrington says:
February 8, 2013 at 12:55 am
… I’ve followed an S based explanation…
Yes, sulphur has been deficient since scrubbing from flue gas. I recall my surprise – many years ago, following all the acid rain hype – when told sulphur was now being added to agricultural fertilizers. It would seem that it is more than just a trace nutrient, and prior to the industrial revolution would most likely have been seriously deficient.
http://www.western4marketing.com/facts.php
Would be interesting to look for volcanoes in the pre-industrial dendro- record?
vukcevic says:
February 8, 2013 at 2:00 am
And here are some examples of correlation of geological activity and climatic indicies
All spurious, as usual.
pochas says: February 8, 2013 at 6:27 am
The signs of a cooling would be major volcanism in the northern regions of major ocean basins; Kamchatka/Alaska and Iceland
According to my research, moderate winter volcanic eruptions in the high latitudes cause a short term winter cooling effect due splitting of polar vortex caused by the ‘sudden stratospheric warming’ – SSW
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/SSW2012-13.htm
and the longer term more intense Arctic ice summer melt from the ash deposits, regardless of the volcanic eruption timing.
So, wait, the glaciations end 800 years before the volcanoes pump CO2 in the air, right? Maybe glaciers have highly developed senses. They feel that the carbon capacitor is charged up and head for the hills.
Makes sense. Bring the fine researchers more taxpayer money. What, the treasury’s empty? Well, PRINT them more money, then.
1) @ur momisugly Richard Courtney, Plate tectonics is not synonymous of continental drift as lithospheric plates -continental and oceanic ones- include an upper part of the upper mantle at their base (below the Moho but above the Low Velocity Zone or Asthenosphere) while Wegener was only talking about SiAl floating on SiMa, i.e continents floating over mantle.
2) @ur momisugly all: It is CO2 that drives plate tectonics… /sarc
>Too many times you hear supposed scientists claiming that just because there isn’t kilometre thick ice over Chicago or Scotland, that we are currently in an inter-glacial.
Well, we are in an inter-glacial, within a larger “icehouse” pattern. During inter-glacial periods, temperatures rise, until they sudenly turn around and fall back into an ice age.
stuart large says:
“OK so what caused the global marine anoxic event?”
Probably the emplacement of the Caribbean LIP (Large Igneous Province). The amount of CO2 outgassed by a LIP is several times larger than that of all other volcanos on Earth. Continental margin volcanism is small change in comparison.
TomRude says: @ur momisugly February 8, 2013 at 7:58 am
@ur momisugly all: It is CO2 that drives plate tectonics…
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Well of course it does it is the <a href="http://tshirtgroove.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/magic-unicorn-fart-tshirt.jpg"MAGIC GAS
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richardscourtney says: @ur momisugly February 8, 2013 at 7:17 am
Thanks for the info.
Darn it the computer burped again (I am in a fringe area)
link was MAGIC GAS
TomRude:
I accept and agree your pedantic point addressed to me at February 8, 2013 at 7:58 am.
However, in context I see no reason to revoke my simplification.
Richard
@ur momisugly Richard Courtney
“The paper in the above paper assesses plate tectonics (i.e. continental drift) as a contributor to climate change. I am wondering about the source of this idea which does not seem to be very plausible: it asserts that atmospheric CO2 variations trigger climate regime shifts, but this assertion is contradicted by paleo data.
In March of 2012, the climate alarmist website SkS had their forums “hacked” and the contents posted online.
http://tomnelson.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/from-skeptical-science-interesting.html
In those files John Cook of SkS is shown to have written on 2012-03-07
Just thought of a possible new climate myth…
‘global warming is caused by continental drift’
It’s no dumber than some of the other myths floating around on the internet. Hmm, would be an interesting experiment if we worked this up into a technobabble, pseudo-credible explanation then tried to disseminate it through the denialosphere, tracking how quickly it spreads. Evil but interesting!
Man, I’ve been spending too much time with Steve Lewandowsky, I see everything now as a potential social experiment”
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What you write above is chilling and very disturbing. However, the link you provided does not lead to the 3/7/12 post you quoted (or at least I can’t find it, somehow). Is this hacker reliable?
The Monster (@SumErgoMonstro) says:
February 8, 2013 at 8:07 am
“Well, we are in an inter-glacial, within a larger “icehouse” pattern. During inter-glacial periods, temperatures rise, until they sudenly turn around and fall back into an ice age.”
You did well until the last 2 words. We are in an interglacial and in an ice age. We are in an ice age whenever there is ice at the poles.
lsvalgaard says:
February 8, 2013 at 7:43 am
vukcevic says: And here are some examples of correlation of geological activity and climatic indices.
All spurious, as usual.
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Hi doc
The earth appears to be a ‘spurious’ place, since the ‘solar’ and the tectonics correlate too
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/CNS.htm
in the aid of the above ( it’s the sun stupid ) hypothesis here is the latest contribution
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/SGMF.htm
oscillations in the Earth’s field (green line) amount to ~20% of the 1880-1990 change in the GMF.
vukcevic says:
February 8, 2013 at 7:44 am
pochas says: February 8, 2013 at 6:27 am
“The signs of a cooling would be major volcanism in the northern regions of major ocean basins; Kamchatka/Alaska and Iceland”
vukcevic: “According to my research, moderate winter volcanic eruptions in the high latitudes cause a short term winter cooling effect due splitting of polar vortex caused by the ‘sudden stratospheric warming’ – SSW”
We’ll certainly have to keep an eye on those SSW’s. But I was thinking more along the lines of the Laki eruption
http://www.kwintessential.co.uk/articles/iceland/Laki-Volcano-Eruption-Iceland/529
at the end of the Maunder Minimum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_Minimum
multiplied many times over. I don’t mean to be an alarmist.
Here’s another graphic that illustrates how volcanism tends to take place during cold periods.
http://www.longrangeweather.com/global_temperatures.htm
vukcevic says:
February 8, 2013 at 8:46 am
The earth appears to be a ‘spurious’ place, since the ‘solar’ and the tectonics correlate too
Pseudo-scientists find spurious correlations with anything under the Sun…
pochas says:
February 8, 2013 at 10:43 am
Here’s another graphic that illustrates how volcanism tends to take place during cold periods.
http://www.longrangeweather.com/global_temperatures.htm
Seems you have cause and effect reversed. Volcanism may cause cold, cold does not cause volcanism