Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach, title from a Paula Abdul quote
The backstory for today’s adventure is that this is the first scientific question I seriously researched. It is also the reason I don’t trust the “experts” or the “consensus”. In 1988, E. O. Wilson, an ant expert with little knowledge of extinction, made a startling claim that extinction rates were through the roof. He claimed there was a “Sixth Wave” of extinctions going on, and that we were losing a huge amount, 2.7% of all the species per year. This claim quickly went viral and soon was believed by everyone. So back in 2003, a decade ago now, I researched the question, found that Wilson was wrong by orders of magnitude, wrote it up, sent it around to the journals to see if they would publish it, and … well, let me just say that I was not received kindly. I was a voice crying in the wilderness. They didn’t give me a look-in, I was challenging the consensus. As far as I know, I was the only one saying that Emperor Wilson had no clothes … and as a result, I was not encouraged to continue publicizing my views.
But the world goes on, and three years ago I simplified and streamlined my work and published it as a post on WUWT entitled “Where Are The Corpses“. In it, I argued that there was no “Sixth Wave” of extinctions, that Wilson’s numbers were wildly exaggerated, and that current extinction rates (except in isolated islands and Australia) are not unusual in any way. Dr. Craig Loehle rewrote and developed the ideas, and he got it peer-reviewed and published in Diversity and Distributions, available here. Craig wrote about it in a post entitled “New paper from Loehle & Eschenbach shows extinction data has been wrongly blamed on climate change due to island species sensitivity“. Title says it all …
Figure 1. Stacked graph of total historical bird and mammal extinctions by year. This charts of the spread of European species (foxes, cats, rabbits, dogs, humans, weeds, diseases, etc.) to Australia and the islands. The earliest extinctions are from the time Europeans arrived in the Caribbean. There is a second wave of exploration and settlement in the 1700s. Finally, the spread of empires in the 1800’s led to the peak rates around the turn of the last century. Since then, the rates have dropped.
Having written so early and so extensively to try to debunk the claims of massive extinction rates and the bogus “sixth wave of extinction” hyped by the alarmists, I was pleased to receive a note from Anthony pointing out the publication of a new study in Science magazine (paywalled, naturally) entitled Can We Name Earth’s Species Before They Go Extinct? It’s gotten lots of media attention, mostly due to the fact that in the Abstract, they say that estimates of extinction rates are way overblown. My emphasis:
Some people despair that most species will go extinct before they are discovered. However, such worries result from overestimates of how many species may exist, beliefs that the expertise to describe species is decreasing, and alarmist estimates of extinction rates.
I must say, seeing that phrase “alarmist estimates of extinction rates” in Science made me smile, it was a huge vindication. However, I fear that they still have not grasped the nettle. I say that because at the end of the paper they say:
Conclusion
The estimates of how many species are on Earth (5 ± 3 million) are now more accurate than the moderate predictions of extinction rates (0.01 to 1% per decade). The latter suggest 500 to 50,000 extinctions per decade if there are 5 million species on Earth.
Why do I think that their conclusion is so badly flawed?
Like many modern scientists, rather than trying to find the most probable, they simply assume the worst. So they give their calculations assuming a 1% decadal extinction rate. Here’s the problem. That’s no more believable than Wilson’s 2.7% per decade rate. There are about 3,300 mammal species living on the continents (excluding Australia). If we assume that one percent of them go extinct per decade, that would mean that we should be seeing about 33 continental mammal extinctions per decade. It’s worse for birds, a 1% extinction rate for birds would be about 80 continental birds per decade. We have seen absolutely nothing even vaguely resembling that. That’s only slightly below Wilson’s estimate of a 2.7% extinction rate, and is still ridiculously high.
Instead of 33 mammals and 80 birds going extinct on the continents per decade, in the last 500 years on the great continental landmasses of the world, we’ve only seen three mammals and six birds go extinct. Only nine continental mammal and bird species are known to have gone extinct in 500 years. Three mammals and six birds in 500 years, that’s less than one continental mammal extinction per century, and these highly scientific folks are claiming that 30 mammals and 80 birds are going extinct per decade? … once again I’m forced to ask, where are the corpses?
This kind of world-blindness astounds me. I’ve heard of living in an ivory tower, but if you were making the claim that it’s raining, wouldn’t you at least look out the ivory windows to see if water were actually falling from the sky? How can you seriously claim that we’re losing dozens and dozens of species per year when there is absolutely no sign of that in the records?
Because the reality is that despite humans cutting down the forests of the world at a rate of knots for hundreds and hundreds of years, despite clearcutting for lumber, despite slash-and-burn, despite conversions to cropland, despite building hundreds of thousands of miles of roads and fences, despite everything … only nine continental mammal and bird species have gone extinct.
That gives us actual, not theoretical but actual, estimates of the historical extinction rates for continental birds and animals. For continental mammals that works out to 3 extinctions per 3,300 continental mammal species per 50 decades equals 0.002% per decade, somewhat below their low estimate of 0.01% per decade. For birds, it’s 6 extinctions per 8000 continental species per 50 decades, which is only slightly lower. If we assume that we’ve missed four out of five of the historical extinctions, very unlikely but I suppose possible, it still works out to only about 0.01%.
So their very lowest estimate, that of an extinction rate of 0.01% per decade, turns out to be a maximum estimate of what we’ve seen on the continents over the last five centuries.
Now, this does not include the islands and Australia. Rates there have historically been quite high. But the high historical rates there, as shown above in Figure 1, are the result of what might be called “First Contact”—the first introduction of numbers of European plants, animals, and diseases to previously isolated areas. But in 2013, there are few islands on the planet that haven’t seen First Contact. As a result, the extinction rates on the islands and in Australia, while still higher than on the continents, are extremely unlikely to have another peak such as they had at First Contact.
Finally, let me say that the low extinction rates should not be any cause for complacency. What my studies have shown is that the real threat to mammal and bird species is not habitat reduction, as incorrectly claimed for the last couple decades. The real extinction threat to birds and mammals is now and always has been predation, either by humans, or by imported “alien” species, particularly on islands. Hunting by humans threatens bonobo chimpanzees and other primates, as well as tigers, rhinoceros, and other mammal and bird species. Hunting is the extinction threat, not habitat destruction, and always has been, whether the hunters were animals or humans.
CODA
People are always giving me grief about how I’m not getting with the picture, I’m not following the herd, I’m not kowtowing to the consensus. I have no problem doing that, particularly given my experience regarding extinctions. For years I was the only person I knew of who was making the claim that E. O. Wilson should have stuck to his ants and left extinctions alone. Wherever I looked scientists disagreed with my findings. I didn’t have one person I knew, or one person I read, who thought I was right. Heck, even now, a decade later, the nettle still hasn’t been grasped, people are just beginning to realize that they were fools to blindly believe Wilson, and to try to manage a graceful climb down from the positions they took.
What I learned in that episode was that my bad number detector works quite well, that I should stick to my guns if I think I’m right, and that I should never, ever, ever place any faith in the opinions of the experts. They were all wrong, every single last swingin’ Richard of them, and I was right. Doesn’t mean I’ll be right next time, I’ve been wrong plenty both before and since … but it has given me the courage to hold on to some extremely minority positions.
It is my strong belief that I will also be vindicated in my claim that the earth’s temperature is regulated, not by CO2, but by a host of interlocking and mutually supportive homeostatic mechanisms that maintain the temperature within a fairly narrow range … time will tell. In my opinion, the experts in the climate field have shown that they don’t know a whole lot more about the real underpinnings of the climate than E. O. Wilson knew about extinctions … but that’s just me, and YMMV.
The very finest of a lovely day to you all,
w.
Canman says (January 25, 2013 at 7:55 pm): “Hey WUWTers, did you know there’s a YouTube presentation of this?”
Whoa, great catch! Thanks, Canman!
trafamadore says:
January 26, 2013 at 1:29 pm
Do you truly not understand the concept of a citation? I busted your last numbers because it “has no support” … so you come back with another unsupported statement. Brilliant.
Then you admit that you DOUBLED THE EXTINCTION RATE, not increased it by a few percent but doubled it, because you were too lazy to do the calculations … stunning.
Also, perhaps you don’t realize it, but we are discussing a paper about extinction rates. It claims that the highest estimate of extinction rates is the estimate you used …
What you may not have noticed is that I showed evidence, not theory but historical evidence, that their highest extinction rate, the one that you claim we should use, is orders of magnitude too large. I’ll repeat it so you can read it, although I’m not sure that will help, since what I really need is for you to understand it rather than read it.
So if you want to continue with your ludicrous claim that the extinction rate is 1%, you’ll have to show why what I posted is wrong. You don’t get to just grab a number because you like it. Your 100x number still has no support at all.
w.
trafamadore says (January 26, 2013 at 1:29 pm): “I think Wills isnt looking for the bodies in the right place…he needs to be on his hands and knees in the Tropics, home to most of the Earth’s species.”
In other words, Trenb–er, trafamadore is saying “The fact is we can’t account for the missing bodies at the moment, and it is a travesty that we can’t.”
Maybe the bodies are “in the pipeline”?
No, wait, the missing bodies are in the “deep layer” of the oc–er, jungle. Yeah, that’s it.
This news article may be of interest.
http://www.pjstar.com/news/x2053816328/Cougar-photographed-on-trail-in-central-Illinois
White-tailed deer populations began to increase along the Illinois River and surrounding prairie in the late 1980s or so, in about the same time frame when Bald Eagles began to return to the Illinois River Valley in winter. Now Illinois reportedly hosts more wintering Bald Eagles than any state outside Alaska.
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So far, I haven’t heard any ideas about how chicken farmer plinking, or rancher shooting of raptors also managed to weaken the egg-shells of those that weren’t shot. Brown Pelican eggshells were affected as well, so maybe disgruntled fishermen were shooting them too with those same magic bullets.
trafamadore says:
January 26, 2013 at 1:29 pm
Certainly, then, it should be no problem for you to provide the names of say half a dozen species of birds and mammals that have been lost in “islands” on the continents as you claim?
trafamadore, you believe this without evidence. It sounds logical. Wilson said it was true, and he fooled hundreds of folks like you, so it’s no shame, just time to give it up.
It’s what was believed for years. It makes sense. Scientists said it was true. But the problem is, despite the claims of the scientists, the Emperor has no clothes—there is not a scrap of evidence to back up the claims of huge extinctions, of a “Sixth Wave”, of extinctions on “islands” that you fantasize about. I know there is no evidence, because I’ve looked very hard. Nine extinctions on the continents in 500 years, none of them from “islands” as you state. As a result, your claim is totally falsified by the actual evidence.
Now it’s possible that the CREO or the Red LIst or I missed some extinctions. But if you think that’s true, then either come up with the names of some corpses from your fanciful “ecological islands” or put this bogus nonsense to rest. In other words, as they say, “put your money where your mouth is”—come up with some corpses, or admit that you don’t have any and thus your marvelous theory has no foundation in fact.
w.
trafamadore says:
January 26, 2013 at 1:29 pm
… But, for mammals (thinking birds too, someone should check) the number is lower, something like 1/M/yr. (Mammal/birds are harder to kill off I guess.) …
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Willis titled this post ‘Always trust your gut instinct’. I don’t generally have the balls to do that outside of my own field of expertise. I do however get awfully suspicious when I’m presented with an inconsistent case.
From Willis’s original ‘Where are the corpses?’:
“Wilson also wrote, “Some groups, like the larger birds and mammals, are more susceptible to extinction than most.” (Wilson 1995)”
Yet here you are, after lauding Wilson and arguing that Wilson knows a whole lot more about extinctions than Willis, here you are telling us that mammals and birds are harder to kill off. You guess. The issue isn’t important enough to me to go verify that Wilson really said that. Frankly, Willis has built up enough credibility over time in my eyes that I don’t feel the slightest need to – I’m quite confident Willis isn’t making anything up. He could be wrong (anybody can), but I’m sure he’s not fabricating his evidence.
How about you? Are you just making all this up as you go along or what? Because while I don’t necessarily trust my gut instincts, my B.S. meter is pegged right now, thinking about your argument.
Mark Bofill says “Wilson also wrote, “Some groups, like the larger birds and mammals, are more susceptible to extinction than most.”
Whatever. Look it up. If you find something different from 1 species/M/yr, tell me. The range for most groups, BTW, is from 1 to 10, so I would haf to see the context that Wilson is using.
Leg says:
January 26, 2013 at 12:13 am
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Thanks for the link to Willis’ speech. Didn’t know about the recent findings of the DNA-switches he talks about from 9 min on. So part of our “junk-DNA” turns out not to be junk at all, but a survival kit our progenitors left us to turn to when needed. Sweet. Makes you wonder if our progenitors (you see them during the early growth stages of the human fetus isn’t it?) are really extinct…
Re: kit foxes
Perhaps properly manufactured foxes would hold up better because of better quality control.
Mark Bofill says:
January 26, 2013 at 4:54 pm
In response, trafamadore says:
January 26, 2013 at 5:15 pm
Gotta love Tralfie. Someone asks him to back up his fatuous claim, and his response is “Whatever. Look it up”. He makes no attempt to justify his bogus choice, say of a 1% extinction rate. He tells me Wilson knows more than me about extinctions … then he ignores Wilson to make his own claims.
Now, I just showed that Wilson’s estimate of extinction rates, 2.7%, was way out of line, by orders of magnitude. You come back and what do you use for your estimate? 2% … that’s twice the high estimate from the paper under discussion, just about as high as Wilson’s estimate, and I’ve already shown that it is still way, way too high.
Tralfie, given your request that I “look it up”, it strikes me that perhaps you actually don’t realize that it is your task, not Mark’s or mine, to back up your own big mouth. It seems that you were never taught this part of the responsibility of someone who wants to participate in the world of science. If that’s the case, perhaps you could just repeat this line until you feel like you’ll never forget it—”My mouth, my job to back it up. My mouth, my job to back it up.” Because it’s definitely not my job.
And when you refuse to do your job, and instead tell us to “look it up”, your credibility goes through the floor, even though you might be right. Nobody goes for that.
I can guarantee that I won’t look anything up for you, that’s your business, not mine. And I would advise that you actually do look it up. Because if you want me or most folks on this site to believe something, you need to bring your A game. You need to bring facts. Data. Evidence. Logic. Citations. Math. References. Bring in the evidence, and you might get some traction and find someone to engage in a discussion.
Keep on with this kind of foolishness, on the other hand, and all anyone will do is point and laugh.
Your choice … just don’t complain if everyone ends up pointing at you and laughing …
w.
trafamadore says:
January 26, 2013 at 5:15 pm
Mark Bofill says “Wilson also wrote, “Some groups, like the larger birds and mammals, are more susceptible to extinction than most.”
Whatever. Look it up. If you find something different from 1 species/M/yr, tell me. The range for most groups, BTW, is from 1 to 10, so I would haf to see the context that Wilson is using.
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Well, I find this on the web:
http://raysweb.net/specialplaces/pages/wilson.html
I can’t speak for it’s authenticity, I just googled the quote. Does the context this provides cause his remark to make more sense to you?
Here’s why my B.S. meter is still maxxed out. And let me preface this by saying plainly that I’m no biologist; I know enough biology to have sex with my wife, and that’s about it. Still, it seems to me that either you’re right about mammals and birds, or Wilson is right about mammals and birds. If Wilson is right, there’s a problem with your argument. Let’s say Wilson is dead wrong though. How do you suppose he came to make this mistake? Doesn’t this disturb you enough to make you wonder if Willis might possibly be right, maybe prompt you to go digging / fact checking? It seems to me that you just ignore this and keep plugging away with a certainty that’s based on a demonstrably questionable foundation.
Willis, 24:25 onward will explain.
You know Willis, estimating extinction rates for students, I do back of the napkin calculations all the time, and they fall within the reasonable range that my buddies down the hall spend years measuring, so I am quite happy with them, really. And actually, being off by 50% doesnt matter when you are working in log scales, esp. since the estimates have S.E.s that are quite large. But, of interest, you have not really shown that the 100x (or even a 1001x) increase in the extinction rate is incorrect. This is partially because, what with your mammal/bird bias, you don’t consider all of life. The other problem is that you (and many others here) dont think something is extinct until the last animal is dead. The big problem for animals and plants is that when their populations become low, they cant find one another to breed. They have no internet dating service and no blogs. They are out there by themselves wandering between the subdivisions. And a lot of populations are really low now. This is not good, although some of you seem to think that coyote pops are not low enuf. (BTW, we have them here in the cities of Michigan, so they seem to be doing okay…)
So maybe the ecologists who spend their lives working on this stuff dont know what they are talking about. But I really sort of doubt it.
Of interest but off topic, us geneticists (um, now you know, oh no!) can estimate the minimum population size a species went through, we call it a genetic bottleneck. Based on the number of alleles in human populations, we were at a population size of 10000 in Africa some 70K years ago. 10000 individuals, that is really close to extinction for most species that arent protected in some way. Interesting to think about, you think?
Gail Combs says:
January 26, 2013 at 1:50 pm
S. Meyer says:
January 26, 2013 at 11:44 am
@davidimhoffer
“trafamadore;
Suppose for a moment that you are trapped in a cage with the last two tigers on earth, a breeding pair. They are very hungry and are advancing on you….. But, David, this is really not a fair argument….
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Actually it is. Only in my case it is coyotes… This is a friend of my Brother-in-law link My next door neighbor lost his entire heard of goats, another friend a herd of sheep and Pat, a third friend lost all her calves. It is no longer safe to leave the house without a gun especially at dawn and dust in my area. Coyotes are not the only predators around either. Around here there are mountain lions, red wolves (released) melanistic jaguars (released) and of course bear, bobcats and red and gray fox. (Note the release of the jaguar (in Florida) was on the internet at the site linked but has been wiped. There was also the report of a pair to be release sighted at a rest area in the Smokies.)
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What part of the country? What type of goat? The sheep and calves (with opportunity) would be targeted by yotes, but goats are not their normal style, too dangerous. Wiping out a [herd] sounds more like feral dogs (possibly American dingo), or if you are in the right part of the country, the coyotes bigger cousin, those red wolves you mentioned. In my part of the country, Cougars and feral dogs are the biggest problem with calves and goats. My next door neighbors ram would kill a yote, every so often, that was trying to get to the chicken coup. On the other hand my buddy with the pygmy goats, always kept a shotgun handy for the coyotes that would try to grab a meal. The coyote predation stopped after he got a few McNabs.
Willis, Patrick Moore appears in this episode and it’s about the Endangered Species ACT and what you are discussing here, it’s the very first time I have ever seen this, just found it tonight. But it really does spell the issue out.
trafamadore,
Your style is to argue by assertion. That is not good enough here at the internet’s “Best Science” site. You appear to be the only one who does not see your lack of credibility. Your arguments seem to come entirely from mental free-association; you refuse to do any real homework on the subject. You staked out your position early on, and you are still defending it, even though Willis is destroying all your arguments. My sincere advice: quit digging.
Willis is a published, peer reviewed author on this very subject. He has studied extinction rates for years, while you come across as a wet behind the ears puppy. You could learn a lot here, if you would just open your closed mind.
Willis Eschenbach says:
January 26, 2013 at 5:52 pm
…Tralfie, given your request that I “look it up”, it strikes me that perhaps you actually don’t realize that it is your task, not Mark’s or mine, to back up your own big mouth….
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LOL, and then I go and look up a quote reference for Trafamadore. What can I say, I was bored… 🙂
Excellent blog post Willis, always a pleasure reading your articles.
Goodnight gents.
trafamadore says:
January 26, 2013 at 6:16 pm
YIKES! The thought of you with students is mondo scary, my friend. But I digress …
You take what is the top estimate, and you double it, and then tell us that that “really doesn’t matter”? Well, perhaps if you don’t care if your numbers are unsupportable by the evidence it doesn’t matter …
I would love to consider all of life. Can you tell me within 5 orders of magnitude how many bacteria have gone extinct in the last 500 years? I thought not. That’s why I studied birds and mammals, because we don’t have anywhere near as much data for e.g. bacteria or deep-sea annelids as we do for birds and mammals.
In addition, I was studying Wilson’s extinctions. He claimed that the birds and mammals have higher extinction rates from habitat reduction than do the other creatures. Accordingly, if I could show that Wilson was wrong about birds and mammals (which I did), it would show that his claims were false in toto.
Now, when you come out with your evidence about how many bacteria have gone extinct in the last 500 years, we can talk about that. Until then, you’re just spinning moonbeams talking about including “all of life” in my analysis.
The dictionary and the Red List and the CREO all use the same definition that I (and many others here) use. Here you go (emphasis mine):
See that part about “no living members”? That’s why I and the Red List and CREO and the dictionary all say that something is not extinct until the last animal is dead … because THAT’S WHAT EXTINCT MEANS. Since it appears you want to bitch about it or get it changed or something, go talk to the Red List and CREO, because I’m using their definition.
Now, if you want to have your own personal Tralfie definition of “extinct”, you can do that. And people will point and laugh.
Again, your choice. Use the definition everyone uses, or have people think you’ve lost the plot.
w.
[Willis: The mods are more worried about the calculated extinction rates of his students ….]
Yeah trafamadore, your extincts stink. chuckle chuckle
[Willis: The mods are more worried about the calculated extinction rates of his students ….]
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[Actually, quoting you above … :
January 26, 2013 at 6:16 pm
“You know Willis, estimating extinction rates for students, I do back of the napkin calculations all the time, and they fall within the reasonable range that my buddies down the hall spend years measuring, so I am quite happy with them, really.”
So, naturally, the mods grew concerned about the relative extinction rates calculated for your students. 8<) ]
Willis says: “You take what is the top estimate, and you double it, and then tell us that that “really doesn’t matter”? Well, perhaps if you don’t care if your numbers are unsupportable by the evidence it doesn’t matter …
But, of interest, you have not really shown that the 100x (or even a 1001x) increase in the extinction rate is incorrect. This is partially because, what with your mammal/bird bias, you don’t consider all of life.”
So. get with it, Willis. You might ask for things that arent answerable, but you have not really shown that the 100x (or even a 1001x) increase in the extinction rate is incorrect. Get with it!!
trafamadore,
Willis has made an airtight case, and you are still impotently arguing. You assert:
“…you have not really shown that the 100x (or even a 1001x) increase in the extinction rate is incorrect.”
Rather, you have certainly not shown that it is correct, because it is not correct. Where is your evidence?
Where are the corpses?
The onus is entirely upon you to provide scientific evidence to support your conjecture. But you cannot not do that, because you have no such evidence. Thus, you lose the debate.
Come, come, Trafamadore, will you never retract your little blurb about the tree froggies?
Everyone is wondering about you, so leave poor Willis alone and repair your egregious assertions upthread.
@davidmhoffer
“That is the part that the trafamadores and S Meyer’s of the world don’t seem to grasp.”
David, the S Meyers of this world are just trying to keep this discourse civil. All this name-calling just does not help.
“Worse, the best way to protect the environment is to do what the western world has done. Raise living standards through the use of cheap energy. Birth rates fall and pressure on the world’s resources falls accordingly. Keep people in poverty, particularly energy poverty, and their birth rate sky rockets, meaning more pressure on earth’s resources, more mouths to feed, and less land left over for the wild life to remain wild.”
And with that I happen to agree. To a point. I recently read that Cuba has a birth rate of only 1.45 per woman, and that even though their standard of living is pretty dismal. At the same time, their population has a very good literacy rate, which may explain this anomaly.
So why are we arguing? I just don’t like name-calling. Must be my German upbringing….
Here is an encouraging study. These scientists obviously aren’t protecting their wallets.
Extinction Rates Not as Bad as Feared … for Now: Scientists Challenge Common. Belief
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130124150806.htm