How the profiteers who market Thermageddon offend against the principles of formal logic
Guest post by Monckton of Brenchley
LOGIC is the heartbeat of all true learning – the soul of the Classics, the Sciences and Religion. Once everyone studied the Classics, to know that in logic there is a difference between true and false; the Sciences, to discern where it lies; and Religion, to appreciate why it matters. Today, few study all three empires of the mind. Fewer study the ordered beauty of the logic at their heart.
Is Private Fraser’s proposition that “We’re a’ doomed!” logical? I say No. G.K. Chesterton once wrote: “When men have ceased to believe in Christianity, it is not that they will believe in nothing. They will believe in anything.” The belief that Thermageddon will arise from our altering 1/3000th of the atmosphere in a century is in-your-face illogical, rooted in a dozen fallacies marked out by Aristotle as the commonest in human discourse.
“Consensus” is the New Religion’s central fallacy. Arguing blindly from consensus is the head-count fallacy, the argumentum ad populum. Al-Haytham, founder of the scientific method, wrote: “The seeker after truth does not put his faith in any mere consensus. Instead, he checks.”
Two surveys have purported to show 97% of climate scientists supporting the supposed “consensus”. In both, 97% agreed little more than that the world has warmed since 1950. So what? One involved just 79 scientists, hardly a scientific sample size. Neither was selected to eliminate bias. Neither asked whether manmade global warming was at all likely to prove catastrophic – a question expecting the answer “No.”
Claiming that the “consensus” is one of revered experts is the argumentum ad verecundiam, the fallacy of appeal to authority. T.H. Huxley said in 1860, “The improver of natural knowledge absolutely refuses to acknowledge authority, as such. For him, scepticism is the highest of duties: blind faith the one unpardonable sin.”
Believers talk of a “consensus of evidence”. Yet evidence cannot hold opinions. Besides, there has been no global warming for 18 years; sea level has risen for eight years at just 1.3 in/century; notwithstanding Sandy, hurricane activity is at its least in the 33-year satellite record; ocean heat content is rising four and a half times more slowly than predicted; global sea-ice extent has changed little; Himalayan glaciers have not lost ice; and the U.N.’s 2005 prediction of 50 million “climate refugees” by 2010 was absurd. The evidence does not support catastrophism.
Believers say: “Only if we include a strong warming effect from CO2 can we explain the past 60 years’ warming. We know of no other reason.” This is the argumentum ad ignorantiam, the fundamental fallacy of argument from ignorance. Besides, natural variability is reason enough.
They say: “Global warming is accelerating, so we are to blame.” Even if warming were accelerating, this non sequitur is an instance of the argumentum ad causam falsam, the fallacy of arguing from a false cause. They go on to say: “CO2 concentration has risen; warming has occurred; the former caused the latter.” This is the post hoc ergo propter hoc sub-species of the same fallacy.
They say: “What about the cuddly polar bears?” This is the argumentum ad misericordiam, the fallacy of needless pity. There are five times as many polar bears as there were in the 1940s – hardly, as you may think, the profile of a species at imminent threat of extinction. No need to pity the bears, and they are not cuddly.
They say: “We tell the models there will be strong CO2- driven warming. And, yes, the models predict it.” This is the fallacy of arguing in circles, the argumentum ad petitionem principii, where the premise is the conclusion.
They say: “Global warming caused extra-tropical storm Sandy.” This inappropriate argument from the general to the particular is the argumentum a dicto simpliciter ad dictum secundum quid, the fallacy of accident. Individual extreme events cannot be ascribed to global warming.
They say: “Melting Arctic sea ice is a symptom of global warming.” This unsound argument from the particular to the general is the argumentum a dicto secundum quid ad dictum simpliciter, the fallacy of converse accident. Arctic sea ice is melting, but the Antarctic has cooled for 30 years and the sea ice there is growing, so the decline in Arctic sea ice does not indicate a global problem.
They say: “Monckton says he’s a member of the House of Lords, but the Clerk says he isn’t, so he’s not credible.” This is the argumentum ad hominem, a shoddy sub- species of ignoratio elenchi, the fundamental red-herring fallacy of ignorance of how a true argument is conducted.
They say: “We don’t care what the truth is. We want more power, tax and regulation. Global warming is our pretext. If you disagree, we will haul you before the International Climate Court.” This is the nastiest of all logical fallacies: the argumentum ad baculum, the argument of force.
These numerous in-your-face illogicalities provoke four questions: Has the Earth warmed as predicted? If not, why not? What if I am wrong? And what if I am right?
Q1. Has the Earth warmed as predicted? In 1990 the IPCC predicted that the world would now be warming at 0.3 Cº/decade, and that by now more than 0.6 Cº warming would have occurred. The outturn was less than half that: just 0.14 Cº/decade and 0.3 Cº in all.
In 2008 leading modellers wrote:
“The simulations rule out (at the 95% level) zero trends for intervals of 15 years or more, suggesting that an absence of warming of this duration is needed to create a discrepancy with the observed warming rate.”
Yet the linear trend on the Hadley/CRU monthly global temperature anomalies for the 18 years 1995-2012 shows no statistically-significant warming, even though the partial pressure of CO2 rose by about a tenth in that time.
The modellers’ own explicit criterion proves their scary predictions exaggerated. Their vaunted “consensus” was wrong. Global warming that was predicted for tomorrow but has not occurred for 18 years until today cannot have caused Sandy or Bopha yesterday, now, can it?
Q2: Why was the “consensus” wrong? Why do the models exaggerate? The climate-sensitivity equation says warming is the product of a forcing and a sensitivity parameter. Three problems: the modellers’ definition of forcing is illogical; their assumptions about the sensitivity parameter are not falsifiable; and their claims that their long-term predictions of doom are reliable are not only empirically disproven but theoretically insupportable.
Modellers define forcing as the net down-minus-up flux of radiation at the tropopause, with surface temperature fixed. Yet forcings change surface temperature. So the definition offends against the fundamental postulate of logic that a proposition and its converse cannot coexist. No surprise, then, that since 1995 the IPCC has had to cut its estimate of the CO2 forcing by 15%. The “consensus” disagrees with itself. Note in passing that the CO2 forcing function is logarithmic: each further molecule causes less warming than those before it. Diminishing returns apply.
Direct warming is little more than 1 Cº per CO2 doubling, well within natural variability. It is not a crisis. So the modellers introduce amplifying or “positive” temperature feedbacks, which, they hope, triple the direct warming from CO2. Yet this dubious hypothesis is not Popper- falsifiable, so it is not logic and not science. Not one of the imagined feedbacks is either empirically measurable or theoretically determinable by any reliable method. As an expert reviewer for the IPCC’s Fifth Assessment Report, I have justifiably excoriated its net-positive feedbacks as guesswork – uneducated guesswork at that.
For there is a very powerful theoretical reason why the modellers’ guess that feedbacks triple direct warming is erroneous. The closed-loop feedback gain implicit in the IPCC’s climate-sensitivity interval 3.3[2.0, 4.5] Cº per CO2 doubling falls on the interval 0.62[0.42, 0.74]. However, process engineers building electronic circuits, who invented feedback mathematics, tell us any loop gain much above zero is far too near the singularity – at a loop gain of 1 – in the feedback-amplification function.
At high gain, the geological record would show violent oscillations between extremes of warming and cooling. Yet for 64 million years the Earth’s surface temperature has fluctuated by only 3%, or 8 Cº, either side of the long- run mean. These fluctuations can give us an ice-planet at one moment and a hothouse Earth the next, but they are altogether inconsistent with a loop gain anywhere near as close to the singularity as modellers’ estimates imply.
Surface temperature changes little, for homoeostatic conditions prevail. The atmosphere’s lower bound, the ocean, is a vast heat-sink 1100 times denser than the air: one reason why 3000 bathythermographs deployed in 2006 have detected no significant ocean warming. The atmosphere’s upper bound is outer space, to which any excess heat radiates harmlessly away. Homoeostasis, then, is what we should expect, and it is what we get. Thus the climatic loop gain cannot much exceed zero, so the warming at CO2 doubling will be a harmless 1 Cº.
Yet the overriding difficulty in trying to model the climate is that it behaves as a chaotic object. We can never measure the values of its millions of defining parameters at any chosen moment to a sufficient precision to permit reliable projection of the bifurcations, or Sandy-like departures from an apparently steady state, that are inherent in the evolution of all objects that behave chaotically. Therefore, reliable, very-long-term modelling of future climate states is unattainable a priori.
The IPCC tries to overcome this actually insuperable Lorenz constraint on modelling by estimating climate sensitivity via a probability-density function. Yet PDFs require more, not less, information than simple estimates flanked by error-whiskers, and are still less likely to be reliable. The modellers are guessing. Their guesses have been proven wrong. Yet they continue to demand our acquiescence in an imagined (and imaginary) consensus.
Q3: What if I am wrong? If so, we must travel from physics to economics. Pretend, ad argumentum, that the IPCC’s central estimate of 2.8 Cº warming by 2100 is true, and that Stern was right to say that the cost of failing to prevent warming of that order this century will be about 1.5% of GDP. Then, at the minimum 5% market inter-temporal discount rate, the cost of trying to abate this decade’s predicted warming of 0.15 Cº by typical CO2-mitigation schemes as cost-ineffective as Australia’s carbon tax would be 48 times greater than the cost of later adaptation. At a zero discount rate, the cost of acting now exceeds that of adapting in the future 36 times over.
How so? Australia emits just 1.2% of Man’s CO2, of which Ms. Gillard aims to cut 5% this decade, abating 0.06% of global emissions by 2020. Then CO2 concentration will fall from a predicted 410 μatm to 409.988 μatm. In turn predicted temperature will fall by 0.00006 Cº. But the cost will be $130 billion ($2 quadrillion/Cº). Abating the
0.15 Cº warming predicted for this decade would thus cost $317 trillion, or $45,000/head worldwide, or 59% of global GDP. Mitigation measures inexpensive enough to be affordable will thus be ineffective: measures expensive enough to be effective will be unaffordable. Since the premium vastly exceeds the cost of the risk, don’t insure. That is a precautionary principle worthy of the name.
Q4: What if I am right? When I am proven right, the Climate Change Department will be swept away; Britain’s annual deficit will fall by a fifth; the bat-blatting, bird- blending windmills that scar our green and pleasant land will go; the world will refocus on real environmental problems like deforestation on land, overfishing at sea and pollution of the air; the U.N.’s ambition to turn itself into a grim, global dictatorship with overriding powers of taxation and economic and environmental intervention will be thwarted; and the aim of science to supplant true religion as the world’s new, dismal, cheerless credo will be deservedly, decisively, definitively defeated.
Any who say “I believe” are not scientists, for true scientists say “I wonder”. We require – nay, we demand – more awe and greater curiosity from our scientists, and less political “correctness” and co-ordinated credulity.
To the global classe politique, the placemen, bureaucrats, academics, scientists, journalists and enviros who have profiteered at our expense by peddling Thermageddon, I say this. The science is in; the truth is out; Al Gore is through; the game is up; and the scare is over.
To those scientists who aim to end the Age of Reason and Enlightenment, I say this. Logic stands implacable in your path. We will never let you have your new Dark Age.
To men of goodwill, lovers of logic, I say this. It is our faculty of reason, the greatest of the soul’s three powers, that marks us out from the beasts and brings us closest in likeness to our Creator, the Lord of Life and Light. We will never let the light of Reason be snuffed out.
Do not go gentle to that last goodnight – Rage, rage against the dying of the light!
As much a tour of arguments as an argument. I’m afraid I found it heavy rather than heavyweight. I always prefer the rifle to the shotgun.
Nonetheless, I enjoyed reading both the article and the comments.
Temps are going down now because the ENSO peaked at +1.0C in September, is now -0.1C and is heading down to about -0.5C. The 3 month lag means that temperatures will decline (a small amount) over the next 3 months and then even longer if the ENSO does go down to the -0.5C range by March.
The AMO is also moderating now – might decline to close to 0.0C after being as high as 0.486C in October.
So, the natural ocean cycle variables have already started pushing temperatures down and this will likely continue for 3 to 6 months.
If and when that occurs, this is what the temp trace versus the climate model forecasts look like. They are too far off at this point and there will need to be some circumspection finally.
http://s9.postimage.org/8k3gtlaun/Temps_Down_for_4_Months_Versus_AGW.png
BargHumer:
In your post at January 6, 2013 at 1:54 pm you say
Yes, you are right.
As you say, a picture is worth a thousand words and, as you also say, the mainstream media provides a constant flow of the untrue propaganda (because normality is not news).
Many of us have been aware of the problem for a very long time.
But we don’t have a solution to it. Do you?
Richard
If you look at
http://marinas.com/view/inlet/1668_Beaufort_Harbor_Inlet_NC_United_States
and click on the second picture you will see a beautiful image of Beaufort Inlet with smooths as far as the camera can see. Can you see as far as the camera? Or is your eye too old to make it out? Keep looking. Think smooth. Not slick, not rainbow spill, smooth.
JF, first of all, we worked out the arithmetic, I had thought, together. Second, my browser barfs when I try to change pictures, sorry. Third, I have at this point lived almost a full year of my life on the water facing the Beaufort inlet (actually at the other end of the top view on this site on the other side of Pivers Island. When there is no wind, the water can be very smooth. There is almost never no wind. I’ve spent years of my life living on over very near lakes, both great and small. I have not noticed anything untoward about the “smoothness” of the ocean around Beaufort compared to the “smoothness” of the great lakes. When the wind blows, it is choppy and whitecaps form. When it is calm, it gradually smooths down.
If you want to imagine that there is an ever-replenished layer of oil coating the surface of the ocean and that it is affecting global climate, work it out and publish a paper on it. Don’t pick on me. I don’t think think you are right, and showed you the arithmetic behind my reasoning, but I’m not a peer that would peer review your paper. Convince them.
rgb
Great article and a lovely breakdown of all the logical failures.
The only trouble is, the current AGW ‘crowd’ seem to act like the 3 wise monkeys in 1 – they cannot see, hear or speak (for them) the evil truth. The ‘evil’ truth being that there is nothing to worry about let alone spend many zeroes worth of money on.
The only way I can see out of this is if articles like this are spread far and wide: forward it to a friend, print out it and send it to a relative, etc, etc. The more people who understand what is going on for what it actually is, the quicker the AGW crowd will loose their backing. We are winning, but not half quickly enough by my reckoning; they need to be shown the exit in fast order with a hard boot up the backside for good measure.
In re “real science’; Jaynes addresses Karl Popper (his “problem of demarcation”) in a number of passages. Appropriate is Id. 9.16.1 ‘The irrationalists’. Popper demands falsifiability be the hallmark of science however impossible/impractical in a fractally complex universe (Mandelbrot, Taleb).
Agnosticism and skepticism as polarized naive subjective priors (p= 0 or 1) is addressed by Jaynes early, and dismissed as too extreme, throwing the baby out with the bathwater. From naivety, an objective naive prior p=0.5.
rgbatduke says:
January 6, 2013 at 12:19 pm
It is important to recognize that scientists acting in the best of faith and good will might well disagree (and often do).
Normally, yes. But these are not normal times, are they? This is no simple “disagreement”. Climate “scientists” have stood science itself on its’ head. As for “good faith” and “good will” amongst the Warmist clique, including those such as Mann and Hansen, you will find none. Instead, you will find other qualities of a far more sinister and lowly nature. Pushing Warmism has become an end unto itself. Entire careers have been built on it and depend upon it.
@FrankK
“… ‘thermageddon’ is not empirical science but model gymnastics …”
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Models are not useless per se. Only if they are formulated in an overly general manner, so that they are compatible with all possible experimental outcomes, do they become useless. This is the criterion of falsifiability.
Buuckner8, that’s more reasonable than the average statement about religion but I’d have to say: still incomplete. There are theists of many sorts, some are superstitious, others may know things you don’t. You have no proof whatsoever that others don’t have knowledge in a way that you would consider implausible.
Plato and Aristotle knew the importance of philosophy-religion, yet developed a most advanced degree of accurate thinking and logic. This fact is difficult to understand from the biases our modern thinking. You might consider Eric Voegelin’s writings on Plato and Aristotle, start here: http://www.evs.ugent.be/node/391
BargHumer says:
January 6, 2013 at 1:54 pm
“My point is that people need real answers, and sometimes it seems as though more blog energy goes into parading scientific prowess and skills of argumentation than informing the people who are constantly subjected to this doom and gloom ever present menace.”
The answers are already being presented to the masses through the Internet and word of mouth.
The mainstream media is stuck on stupid and people are not tuning into them anymore.
CNN at the peak of their audience had 20 million viewers. Today they can barely get 500k viewers at primtime. Since the end of elections FOX lost half, that’s 50% of their audience. People are figuring out they don’t like to be lied to.
The faith of the atheist and the faith of the Faithful are equally unfalsifiable, with agnosticism a craven quibble. Unfalsifiable, they are not science, but are supernatural, subject only to belief.
Note that Karl Popper’s work more currently cited is The Open Society and Its Enemies.
Lord Monckton writes “Direct warming is little more than 1 Cº per CO2 doubling, well within natural variability.”
Every time I see this sort of thing written, I cringe; particularly when the likes of Lord Monckton and Richard Lindzen are the authors. This number is an abomination in physics. Not only has it never been measured, it is impossible to measure it. It’s value is based on another number, change of radiative forcing, which is also impossible to measure.
The estimation of this number is based on an invalid assumption. This assumption can be stated many ways, but basically a change of radiative forcing causes a change of radiative balance in the atmopshere. The no-feedback climate senstiivity of about 1 C for a doubling of CO2 is based on the assumption that this imbalance can only be countered by a change in the radiation component of how energy is transmitted through the atmopshere. This is nonsense. The atmopshere will respond to a change of radiative balance by changes in conduction, convection and the latent heat of water, as well as radiation effects. In other words the lapse rate will change. Another way of stating the original assumption is that the structure of the atmosphere does not change; i.e the lapse rate does not change.
Since the lapse rate will change, this hypothetical, meaningless number will have a value considerably lower than 1 C. No-one knows how much lower, but it’s hypothetical value could be indistinguishable from zero.
Sorry about the rant.
Atheism takes equal amounts of faith as Theism. They are both based on a “belief” that a diety exists or not. “I do [or not] believe in [this or that deity]. [optionally: because…]”
No, but your argument here is perfect for illustrating why you are wrong.
If I believe in fairies, I indeed have to give a reason for that belief or be thought a fool. I believe in fairies because I’ve got pictures of them dancing. I believe in fairies because I read fairy stories as a child and felt that they must be true. I believe in fairies because I keep one as a pet. In other words, one has to have some specific evidence for fairies in order to reasonably believe in them. We would consider the first and third reasons as being a lot better than the middle one, for example.
Note also that it is more difficult to believe in blue fairies than it is to believe in fairies in general. In order to believe in blue fairies and be reasonable, you have to first have sufficient reason to believe in fairies at all, then enough additional evidence in order to conclude that there is at least one blue fairy.
When one says “I don’t believe in fairies”, one isn’t necessarily saying that fairies don’t exist. One is just saying that one considers the evidence that they do exist inadequate to make that conclusion reasonable. Our default state is (or should be, if we are not complete fools) one of disbelief, not belief, as Mr. Monckton pointed out rather oxymoronically in a fabulous misquote. I don’t know for certain that fairies don’t exist, but I see little good reason to believe in them. My mind could easily be changed if you have one in a cage. My lack of belief in blue fairies is slightly more intense — even showing me a red fairy isn’t sufficient to prove that blue ones exist.
So an atheist does not have to offer a “because” for not believing in God(s), any more than I have to offer a “because” when I assert that I don’t believe in fairies. The reason is that there isn’t any credible evidence for them, outside of stories that are obviously mythopoeic works, not actual histories or reliable eyewitness accounts.
Reading Peter Pan does not convince me of the one. Neither does the Bible, all the more so when it is trying to metaphorically convince me not only of a fairy, but a cobalt blue fairy with peculiarly tinted wings, forcing me to also consider the sky blue fairy of Judaism, the navy blue fairy of Islam, the red fairies of Hinduism, the purple fairies of the Norse religion, the green fairies of paganism, the rainbow-colored fairies of ancestor worship, all of which are equally implausible and mutually exclusive alternative kinds of fairies where we don’t even have a single fairy of any color trapped in a cage.
Hopefully this clears things up for you. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but it is negative evidence of presence. Looking at ten thousand white swans without a black one amongst them doesn’t prove that black ones don’t exist, only that they are rare, at least where you are looking for them. One the other hand looking all over the world at Swan populations and finding lots of white swans, a whole population of black swans, and not one single rainbow patterned swan doesn’t prove that the latter doesn’t exist either. They might have evolved on the third world circling Tau Ceti where we can’t find them, or even farther away. It does leave me with little reason to believe they do exist, and even establishes reasonable probable upper bounds on the multihued swan population vary close to zero.
rgb
I agree with Stephen Richards, religion is OT and worse it’s a counterproductive discussion. The history of Christianity, however, does offer an interesting parallel with our current situation.
I have racked my brain for years trying to figure out an historical parallel to the situation we skeptics find ourselves in today. While phlogiston and Lysenkoism were early contenders they lack sharing many attributes with the current situation we skeptics face: scattered, unorganized, scarcely funded, diverse of thought, and oppressed by a dogmatic regime with near unlimited funds and the full weight and force of the state often projecting its own wrongs upon us. I finally realized what the historical parallel is, and it comes with both hope and a warning. The early Christians were scattered, unorganized, scarcely funded, diverse of thought, and oppressed by the Roman Empire which accused the Christians of crimes which were more likely to be perpetrated by non-Christian Romans than Christians. Eventually, the Roman Empire outlawed merely being a Christian and many were executed for their beliefs just as some would have us outlawed and executed today. Ultimately the Christians persevered, coalesced, and gained power becoming the Catholic Church with its own reign of dogmatic oppression of thought. So there’s the hope that like the Christians we will overcome and the warning that we don’t become that very same dogmatic oppressor of diversity of thought that we endure. The Christian’s failed to preserve reverence for Jesus’ (Yeshua’s) admonishment of dogma in religion. I hope we Skeptics will continue to see the value of keeping dogma out of science far into the future.
richardscourtney says:
January 6, 2013 at 12:19 pm
Friends:
In the past it was common for trolls to claim the Third Viscount Monckton of Brenchley is not a “real” Lord. They did this as an attempt to distract attention from anything Lord Monckton said.
That tactic of distraction is no longer possible, so another method of distraction seems to have been adopted and it worked on another WUWT thread.
Now it is common for trolls to distract from the subject of an article by Lord Monckton by promoting the religion of atheism. Several have already tried it on this thread.
Everybody: please, please don’t bite at that ‘red herring’ or this thread will be destroyed as the other was.
Richard
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Thank you, Richard. I was trying to form the words to point this very thing out, but you have done it perfectly.
To:
Monckton
Brown
Courtney
Gentlemen, you are ALL in the wrong here, for different reasons.
Monckton – justifying science in any way shape or form on the basis of your religion makes those of us who do not share your religion uncomfortable. We’ve seen that stick wielded improperly and have been on the receiving end of it too many times. We can overlook you pushing your faith as part of your science provided that you don’t try and force your faith down our throats, but make no mistake about the fact that we aren’t comfortable with it and it adds nothing to your argument about the science. As to your title, I don’t give a damn if you have a legal right to it or not. I am a free man and I don’t bow to anyone because of some accident of birth, and calling you by your title is nothing more than a verbal bow.
Brown – Deeply faithful people frequently are psychologically incapable of having a reasoned discussion without invoking their faith. My experience is that, unless they try and cram that faith down my throat, it is easier to overlook their transgression. Challenging on them on it merely makes them defensive and all the real value that could come from focusing the discussion on science gets lost as a result. Monckton has much to learn from you, and I hope the two of you can put aside your differences on the faith issue because if the reasonable people are busy fighting each other over something that doesn’t matter to the science itself, the bad people will win.
Richard – I’m not sure exactly if you were taking sides in your comment or not, but I hope not. As a scientist and a Methodist minister you have conducted yourself with aplomb on a wide range of overlapping issues in this forum without ever mixing the two. Rather than taking sides, I would hope that someone like you would urge the other two to follow your example.
Gentlemen,
While I think that the total bull of CAGW will ultimately die a natural death in the face of growing facts and data to the contrary, the fact remains that should the worst happen and the CAGW cult truly gains power, we’ll have to invent a whole new word to describe the outcome because genocide will be insufficient. There’s lives at stake, and a life raft that could bring many to safety. As three of the most prominent and knowledgeable speakers there are on the topic, I ‘d really appreciate it if the three of you would get in the life raft and row. Standing around arguing about what the life raft is made of and how it came into existence, and how it happened to be right where it is right at this moment in time is rather pointless.
Get into the damn raft and row in the same direction.
BargHumer says:
January 6, 2013 at 1:54 pm
“People are figuring out they don’t like to be lied to”. An alternative hypothesis might be that they just tuned out. We the sheeple…..et al etc.
Pat Ravasio says:
January 6, 2013 at 10:45 am
After all your rambling, you still do not answer the most basic of questions: Why is it not a good thing to develop alternative energies?
It is good to develop alternative energies – but we should use proven, market based techniques (i.e. private entrepreneurs risking their own capital), rather than have politicians use alternative energy as an excuse to pick my pocket.
As and when alternative energy makes economic sense (and there is a real chance solar energy will make that breakthrough in the next few decades), then you’ll find we’ll wholeheartedly embrace it. Until then, it is a horrifying waste of money and opportunity.
What is the harm in cleaning up the environment?
Nothing – one of our criticisms of the global obsession with anthropomorphic warming is that it is distracting people from real environmental issue. The real rape and pillage of the environment is occurring right under our noses, with criminals distracting people into looking the other way.
Surely you do not deny that there are serious ill health effects of fossil fuel mining and use?
As an asthmatic I wholeheartedly agree – one of my triggers is car exhaust fumes. But my asthma medication is expensive, if I have to pay more for energy, I might not be able to afford the medication which keeps me alive.
That we are still burning up the house to keep the family warm? That fossil fuel supplies are finite? That there are readily available alternatives which are economically scalable if only they were adequately supported?
I agree – it doesn’t make sense that a mess of red tape is preventing the installation of Thorium cycle nuclear reactors. Thorium is relatively abundant (a cubic metre of garden soil typically contains around 60g of Thorium), and it is much safer than Uranium or Plutonium (a Thorium reactor cannot sustain itself, so if it starts overheating, you just turn off the power supply).
Development of clean, renewable energy will stimulate the economy and improve the quality of life for all living things on the planet. So please explain why you oppose an orderly, economical transition to readily available alternative energies?
The European experience is that government sponsored development of renewable energy has turned into a gigantic boondoggle, with a corrupt alternative industry bribing politicians into handing out ever increasing subsidy payments.
Much safer to leave the development of new technology to private enterprise, where they only risk their own capital, rather than stealing mine.
Like I said, I’ve got real hope for solar energy – but I don’t think handing tax money to criminals is the way to achieve progress.
You say the “alarmists” are motivated by profits.
Look at the alternative energy gravy train in Europe, and you’ll get the idea.
Yet it is you who are affiliated with the Heartland Institute, a noted man cave for fire-breathing fossil fuel behemoths. Anthony and friends, you can parse the particulars until kingdom come, but fossil fuels are still the Earth’s Goliath. Humanity is still David.
Try demanding a reduction in your energy bills, and you’ll pretty quickly see who the Goliath is in this battle. As Obama once said, under his plan, energy bills will skyrocket. As those who have been at the receiving end of this evil can testify, he wasn’t kidding.
Here’s the speech from Obama, in which he explains his plan to raise electricity bills.
The only question is what are we going to put in our slingshot, and why are we so slow in getting about the business so clearly at hand? Need leadership is needed now. Join the good guys. http://www.buckyworld.me
So far what we’ve seen from the “Good” guys has been a collection of vicious threats and criminal attacks – Gleick’s identity theft of documents from Heartland (which the AGU apparently endorses), and various threats to imprison or execute people who disagree with alarmism.
e.g. a call for skeptics to be murdered
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/12/23/beyond-bizarre-university-of-graz-music-professor-calls-for-skeptic-death-sentences/
e.g. a call for skeptics to be imprisoned
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=290513
You have a strange definition of “good”.
@rgbatduke 1:45 Sir I have followed your comments with great pleasure, on this site.
The distinction for me, is between comfort with the knowledge of the ignorance we must live in and a desire for certainty.
I am also an atheist, but find fault with these secular anti-humanists, as they will not admit lack of knowledge to intrude into their certainty.
Most of the God religions , the secular humanists and atheists have a humility,( whatever we chose to call everything, creation, maya,) in that we acknowledge we know so little compared to what we perceive to be.
I liken the CAGW promoters to a cult, because they have chosen to act like one.
Science will speak in the end, but the corruption of science ,to serve this cause enrages me.
“I do not know”, seem to unspeakable words inside this pseudoscience.
Of late I have started to wonder if the actions of these eco-saviours is the result of growing up in homes and cultures saturated with white-liberal guilt.
For I’m perceiving a hatred for poor brown people and a confusion of purpose .
Actions speak more clearly than words.
If no other passage in PT, this is the jewel. Its mention of Daniel Kahneman and Amos Tversky led me to Nassim Nicholas Taleb, whose non-technical (arbitrage, quantitative analysis) writings distill Jaynes’ seminal masterwork!
Absolutely. The Black Swan is a masterpiece. However, I would argue that the naive subjective prior of 0.5 (presumably for binary questions) is a silly one, at least once one is all grown up and has a decade or two of experience to draw on. It’s fine for two sided coins where it is easy to generate trials to improve the posterior estimate. Not so good for urns. If I give you an urn, what is the naive subjective prior of reaching in and pulling out a green momrath (especially one that is outgrabing)? If you answer 0.5, I’m afraid I’ll have to object.
To even make a naive estimate of a prior, one has to have some idea of the dimension and span of the space(s) involved. The true naive prior is then to consider everything possible, and hence anything almost infinitely unlikely. Babies are born in something close to this state, although they have substantial hard coded priors (if you like) as well as evidence gathering programs to improve them. By the time one has reached adulthood, one has pruned the terrible infinity of the tree of possibility to the much smaller but still fast tree of that which is consistent with your experience — so far, plus the best rules of reason and probable facts we collectively have come up with — so far. At that point I no longer consider God/No God a coin flip. Lack of rainbow colored swans doesn’t disprove them, but it makes them less likely as systematic search fails to find them, and rarer (compared to white and black ones) once one does, at least until one extends one’s search space to Tau Ceti, effectively looking in a different urn.
I just finished watching the entire run of Saving Grace on Netflix (which was actually a lovely mythopoeic tale). It portrays a police lieutenant (Grace) who gets a Last Chance Angel in episode 1. It is a perfect picture of the way the world might look if God and Angels were real, and as a consequence in the end it has the exact opposite effect to the one you might expect. Because the real world ends up being nothing at all like the fantasy.
At least not yet.
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Bruce Cobb says: January 6, 2013 at 2:11 pm
rgbatduke says:
January 6, 2013 at 12:19 pm
It is important to recognize that scientists acting in the best of faith and good will might well disagree (and often do).
Normally, yes. But these are not normal times, are they? This is no simple “disagreement”. Climate “scientists” have stood science itself on its’ head. As for “good faith” and “good will” amongst the Warmist clique, including those such as Mann and Hansen, you will find none. Instead, you will find other qualities of a far more sinister and lowly nature. Pushing Warmism has become an end unto itself. Entire careers have been built on it and depend upon it.
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Well spoken. You have touched with your finger the very nub of the matter.
rgbatduke says: January 6, 2013 at 1:45 pm
A) Atheism is not a religion. It is the lack of a religion. You might as well accuse me (or other atheists) of promoting the disease of being well.
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Some believers promote it anyway, thinking to convert others to their beliefs.
I had already come to the conclusion that no scientific statement should start with the words “I believe”. Science is not religion it is about the testing of a hypothesis. Science is best left to agnostics. As regards logic….we have had up to 15 times the amount of current CO2…did we burn up or green up? We greened up..simple logic and thats why we are here.
Yea , all these logical flaws by the inverse Gaia cult who believe the Molecule of Life will be the death of us all are , well , ill logic .
But what is the Latin for the ethnocentric belief in an anthropomorphic 3in1 god with 1 , not 0 or 2 or , more messiahs ?
Such profound illogic vitiates the impact of the rest of the essay .
What an interesting thread.
Pat Ravasio, you set up straw man arguments to try and drive people to your blog. Your comment fails to address one of the fundamental paradoxes of CAGW, pointed out by Monckton of Brenchley, that an increase in CO2 has not resulted in a statistically-significant increase in temperature for more than 15 years.
A paradox is anomalies in reasoning and inconsistencies in beliefs. If scientists who believe in CAGW were thinking logically they would revise their assumptions to account for inconsistencies and anomalies. But many don’t because they appear to believe that their assumptions are unquestionable.
Your paragraph is a classic example of the false dichotomy inherent in “black and white thinking”. You believe that in climate science there are only two simple positions and you are trying to place everyone in either of these two preconceived categories. But it is obvious that there are a range of positions which people take within your two simplistic extremes.
Our modern industrial civilisation, the enormous benefits of which you enjoy, is due to a relatively warm climate and the use of fossil fuels to provide cheap energy. Resorting to emotive, personal and insulting language is a mark of your failure to debate rationally and think critically about energy use and climate science.
Why not try thinking for yourself instead of blindly allowing your ideas to be formed by others. And most important, “……….manners should be of the greatest concern.” R. Buckminster Fuller