The hype meter at the Discovery Channel has pegged at full McKibben. See this:
Sandy wasn’t even a category 1 hurricane when it made landfall. Yet somehow, that elevates it for “megastorm” status?
I wonder if AccuWeather meteorologist Henry Margusity (who was heavily relied upon in the show) knew before he got suckered into this show that they’d make such incredible leaps of labeling?
Now, with a storm that doesn’t even come close to storms that have hit the area in the past, such as 1954 Hurricane Hazel or the Great Hurricane of 1938, what will they call a Cat3 or greater storm if it hits the area? Here’s some possibilities:
- SuperDuperStorm
- MegaMegaStorm
- GigaStorm
- SandyOnSteroids
- Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious Storm
- Spawn of MegaDoppler 9000
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I saw Leland Palmer’s comment before it was snipped. He is calling everyone a “liar”. Note to Leland: when you argue with everyone else like you’re doing, it probably means you are wrong. And people don’t generally lie, particularly not our host.
When your science is non-existent, name-calling is your fallback position.
“And people don’t generally lie, particularly not our host.
When your science is non-existent, name-calling is your fallback position.”
Our host does not lie?
I submit that he does.
Occam’s razor strongly suggests that he is just another paid off spokesperson for a particularly well paid point of view, rather than a selfless seeker after truth who just can’t particularly see a melting icecap.
Mr. Palmer:
Justify any part of your claim.
Your apparent CAGW theism (religion) has a budget a over 89 billion dollar per year taken from US taxpayers.
Why do you claim our host is a liar?
Why do you claim any skeptic position is “paid off” when the government money and government power and government positions goes TO the government-paid CAGW proponents and extremists based ONLY on how strongly they promote their self-serving CAGW exaggerations and biases?
You are claiming “lies” when the only lies have come from government-paid so-called scientists paid to produce government-desired results.
It’s an argument based on common sense.
Paid off liars are as common as dirt.
Noble seekers after truth who can’t see melting icecaps must be comparatively rare.
Therefore our host is very likely just another paid off liar:
Study:
9 out of 10 top climate change deniers linked with Exxon Mobil
Pat Michaels admitted to Fareed Zakaria on national TV that 40 percent of his funding comes from the oil industry. But, he was obviously lying about even that. If you toss in funding from the Cato Institute (funded mostly by the Koch Brothers – who control the largest privately controlled oil corporation in the U.S.) and from other oil industry related sources, essentially all of his funding probably comes from the oil industy, think tanks funded by the oil industry, or the super rich made rich by oil.
So for Pat Michaels, it’s “oil all the way down”.
When confronted about it, Michaels lied even about this basic fact.
Watts is doing mighty work for the climate change denial community. If he’s not riding that gravy train, he’s about the only “climate skeptic” who’s not.
It’s an argument based on probabilities, and common sense.
The simplest explanation is that Watts is a paid off liar.
Leland Palmer says:
November 22, 2012 at 11:49 am
Don’t need any funds to shows the alarmist claims are rubbish pseudoscience not based on any evidence.
Mr Palmer:
So I assume you have some evidence that the proportion of fraud and lies in a scientific debate is proportional to the source of funding, and the amount of funding received; the amount of rewards and honor and recognition offered; and the continued employment of the scientists from one side of the debate?
[snip – If you want to make those personal accusations against me, step up and put your real name to and and take the consequences like I do every day, otherwise kindly shut your Thanksgiving pie (Apple or Pumpkin, your choice)hole. 😉
UPDATE: Mr Palmer responded with another missive but no proof that that his name etc., (we are just supposed to take him at his word) but placed further demands for information on my personal life and my business. That was deleted per blog policy. My personal life and my business is none of your business sir. – Anthony Watts]
Leland Palmer says:
November 22, 2012 at 2:45 pm
It’s an argument based on common sense.
Paid off liars are as common as dirt.
Noble seekers after truth who can’t see melting icecaps must be comparatively rare.
Therefore our host is very likely just another paid off liar:
Study:
9 out of 10 top climate change deniers linked with Exxon Mobil
A recent analysis conducted by Carbon Brief investigated no less than 900 published papers, all of which cast doubts on climate change, or even speak against it. After concluding this investigation, they found that 9 out of 10 of the most prolific ones had some sort of connection with Exxon Mobil….
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SO that makes Phil Jones of CRU a paid off LIAR since CRU received start-up funds from BP and Shell.
Climategate e-mails: from link
re: List of Industrial and Commercial Contacts to Elicit Support for the Tyndall Centre
The following Tyndall staff and researchers are based at partner institutions within the Tyndall Consortium.
There is also the Scenarios – SRES description 2 SRES WRITING TEAM ADDRESS LIST And it includes among others
You can do a search for Gerald Davis yourself in the Climategate e-mails and on the internet.
Accusing Anthony or the rest of us of taking ‘Oil Money’ is nothing more than projection. Activists have been trying for years and found nothing yet a quick search turns up lots of ‘Oil Money’ funding activists and researchers.
Give it up and take off your blinders.
Quote from Anthony Watts:
“My personal life and my business is none of your business sir.”
Nice line, Anthony.
Unfortunately, figures don’t lie, but liars do often figure.
In the real world, Anthony, not in the fantasy world you construct on this site, your sources of funding matter because they are very likely influencing the content on this site, which you seem intent on sharing with hundreds of thousands of readers.
In the real world, corporations do hire people to lie, directly and indirectly. There is a truly massive program of paid disinformation and propaganda being conducted by the oil corporations, and you are very likely a product of that program.
If you have nothing to hide, tell us where the money comes from, Anthony.
REPLY: No, I have not nor have I ever received any money from oil corporations, coal, tobacco companies, or any other corporation. In case you have not noticed, WUWT runs on a shoestring, hosted on wordpress.com free blog hosting (as are most blogs) with a donations button and some Adwords advertising. What projects I have done, such as the surfacestations project and the upcoming climatereference project were done by concerned individuals who donated to make it happen. The recent low budget TV program I did to counter Al Gore (with all its technical glitches because I can’t afford a team of tv producers like Mr. Gore) was made possible also by a donation from a private individual who reads this blog for about $8K for the main rigs, with readers and myself chipping in for the remainder. Go look at it. See any big petro-dollars in the production there?. Yet somehow, people such as yourself see such low rent efforts as part of a “massive program of paid disinformation”. Well speculate all you want, but the reality doesn’t fit the charge here.
You should ask your buddy Joe Romm the same questions, since his organization, the Center for American Progress, won’t even reveal their budgets for paying Romm (who draws a salary), Goose, gander, and all that.
I’ve given you the truth, but I expect you’ll just dismiss it as you don’t seem capable of disengaging yourself from conspiracy theory, and your language telegraphs your contempt. – Anthony
Anthony Watts says, “Sandy wasn’t even a category 1 hurricane when it made landfall. Yet somehow, that elevates it for “megastorm” status?” Well Mr. Watts you really need to learn your facts before you come on here and say things that you know absolutlely nothing about. Yes Sandy lost it’s hurricane status, do you know the real reason why? Of course you don’t, or you would never had made that stupid comment. Sandy was a category one hurricane in carribean, then strenthened to a category 2 hurricane as it moved across the Atlantic Ocean. Then the REAL reason the storm lost its status as a hurricane was because it no longer had a warm core center nor the convection — the upwards air movement in the eye — that traditional hurricanes have. It was still every bit as dangerous when it had the “hurricane” status, but because it met with TWO different cold air pressure systems- which is why it got the the nickname “Frankenstorm”. Also it lost it’s hurricane status and it tipped into the post-tropical category because it became devoid of thunderstorms near the center. Any minor detail that changes in a storm changes the name of the storm. Shouldn’t you know this since you supposedly run a site with “commentary on science, news, climate, etc..). Sandy had EVERY aspect of a category 1 hurricane, her winds were at 92 mph when she made landfall in NJ. If she would have reached 96 mph, she would’ve been a category 2. Also with hurricanes, in order to classify them they must have all this: 74-95mph winds, 4-5 foot storm surge, and a minimum central pressure of 980 mb. Sandy had 92 mph winds, 14 foot storm surges, and a central pressure of 950 mb when it hit landfall. That is the lowest pressure system ever recorded in the east coast. Thats one reason it was so damaging. Sandy moved north and made a left hand turn and slammed the jersey shore, which is something that never happens, but did because it got caught in the cold pressure system that was drawing it inland, and a high pressure system from the east blocking it and pushing it to the west, along with the wide spread devestation it caused is why it is now called a MEGASTORM or a SUPERSTORM. A post tropical storm doesn’t cut it. I am a Sandy survivor, I live on the Jersey Shore. I didn’t evacuate, and I was stuck inside for 4 days because there was 8 feet of water surrounding my house. Unless you lived through a hurricane, especially one like Sandy, don’t underestimate what you see or hear. And definitely DO NOT let a storm fool you. And one more thing, do your homework before posting. Its embarressing…