UPDATES ARE CONTINUOUSLY BEING ADDED at the end of this story. Check below.
WUWT readers may recall this post last week:
The Secret 28 Who Made BBC ‘Green’ Will Not Be Named
The BBC pits six lawyers against one questioning blogger, Tony Newbery of Harmless Sky, who was making an FOI request for the 28 names. In the process, the judge demonstrates he has partisan views on climate change.
Now, thanks to the Wayback machine and Maurizio Morabito (omnologos) we can now read the list that the BBC fought to keep secret. [Damn those mischevious bloggers 😉 ]
This list has been obtained legally. (link to Wayback document.) My heartiest congratulations to Maurizo for his excellent sleuthing!
Maurizo writes: This is for Tony, Andrew, Benny, Barry and for all of us Harmless Davids.
The list from: January 26th 2006, BBC Television Centre, London
Specialists:
Robert May, Oxford University and Imperial College London
Mike Hulme, Director, Tyndall Centre, UEA
Blake Lee-Harwood, Head of Campaigns, Greenpeace
Dorthe Dahl-Jensen, Niels Bohr Institute, Copenhagen
Michael Bravo, Scott Polar Research Institute, University of Cambridge
Andrew Dlugolecki, Insurance industry consultant
Trevor Evans, US Embassy
Colin Challen MP, Chair, All Party Group on Climate Change
Anuradha Vittachi, Director, Oneworld.net
Andrew Simms, Policy Director, New Economics Foundation
Claire Foster, Church of England
Saleemul Huq, IIED
Poshendra Satyal Pravat, Open University
Li Moxuan, Climate campaigner, Greenpeace China
Tadesse Dadi, Tearfund Ethiopia
Iain Wright, CO2 Project Manager, BP International
Ashok Sinha, Stop Climate Chaos
Andy Atkins, Advocacy Director, Tearfund
Matthew Farrow, CBI
Rafael Hidalgo, TV/multimedia producer
Cheryl Campbell, Executive Director, Television for the Environment
Kevin McCullough, Director, Npower Renewables
Richard D North, Institute of Economic Affairs
Steve Widdicombe, Plymouth Marine Labs
Joe Smith, The Open University
Mark Galloway, Director, IBT
Anita Neville, E3G
Eleni Andreadis, Harvard University
Jos Wheatley, Global Environment Assets Team, DFID
Tessa Tennant, Chair, AsRia
BBC attendees:
Jana Bennett, Director of Television
Sacha Baveystock, Executive Producer, Science
Helen Boaden, Director of News
Andrew Lane, Manager, Weather, TV News
Anne Gilchrist, Executive Editor Indies & Events, CBBC
Dominic Vallely, Executive Editor, Entertainment
Eleanor Moran, Development Executive, Drama Commissioning
Elizabeth McKay, Project Executive, Education
Emma Swain, Commissioning Editor, Specialist Factual
Fergal Keane, (Chair), Foreign Affairs Correspondent
Fran Unsworth, Head of Newsgathering
George Entwistle, Head of TV Current Affairs
Glenwyn Benson, Controller, Factual TV
John Lynch, Creative Director, Specialist Factual
Jon Plowman, Head of Comedy
Jon Williams, TV Editor Newsgathering
Karen O’Connor, Editor, This World, Current Affairs
Catriona McKenzie, Tightrope Pictures catriona@tightropepictures.com
BBC Television Centre, London (cont)
Liz Molyneux, Editorial Executive, Factual Commissioning
Matt Morris, Head of News, Radio Five Live
Neil Nightingale, Head of Natural History Unit
Paul Brannan, Deputy Head of News Interactive
Peter Horrocks, Head of Television News
Peter Rippon, Duty Editor, World at One/PM/The World this Weekend
Phil Harding, Director, English Networks & Nations
Steve Mitchell, Head Of Radio News
Sue Inglish, Head Of Political Programmes
Frances Weil, Editor of News Special Events
For those who don’t know what this is about, read the back story here.
Here is the backup link to the original document just in case the original disappears:
Real World Brainstorm Sep 2007 background (PDF)
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UPDATE: Now this Climategate 2.0 email makes more sense, as they’ve just been carrying water for CRU and the eco-NGO’s all along. The meeting with the 28 was just a pep rally. From: this WUWT post:
BBC’s Kirby admission to Phil Jones on “impartiality”
Alex Kirby in email #4894 writing about the BBC’s “neutrality”
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date: Wed Dec 8 08:25:30 2004
from: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.xx.xx>
subject: RE: something on new online.
to: “Alex Kirby” <alex.kirby@bbc.xxx.xx>
At 17:27 07/12/2004, you wrote:
Yes, glad you stopped this — I was sent it too, and decided to
spike it without more ado as pure stream-of-consciousness rubbish. I can well understand your unhappiness at our running the other piece. But we are constantly being savaged by the loonies for not giving them any coverage at all, especially as you say with the COP in the offing, and being the objective impartial (ho ho) BBC that we are, there is an expectation in some quarters that we will every now and then let them
say something. I hope though that the weight of our coverage makes it clear that we think they are talking through their hats.
—–Original Message—–
Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit
BBC and “impartiality”…”ho, ho” indeed.
UPDATE: ‘TwentyEightGate’ was coined by RoyFOMR in comments. I liked it enough to put in the title.
UPDATE3 – Barry Woods writes in an email to me:
Don’t forget Mike Hulme Climategate email. why he funded CMEP, to keep sceptics OFF BBC airwaves… (below)
Mike Hulme:
“Did anyone hear Stott vs. Houghton on Today, radio 4 this morning? Woeful stuff really.
This is one reason why Tyndall is sponsoring the Cambridge Media/Environment Programme to starve this type of reporting at source.” (email 2496)
let us also not forget, that Roger Harrabin BBC & CMEP – (and Greenpeace Bill Hare) were also on the Tyndall board from 2002 to at least Nov 2005.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/27/climategate-2-impartiality-at-the-bbc/
When did Roger Harrabin step down from Tyndall advisory board?
(and he no made no mention, when reporting Climategate, of connections)
Tyndall were funding CMEP seminars for years to persuade the BBC, so not just that seminar, but years worth of lobbying
UPDATE4: Bishop Hill makes this excerpt from correspondence the “quote of the day”:
We now know that the BBC decided to abandon balance in its coverage of climate on the advice of a small coterie of green activists, including the campaign director of Greenpeace. This shows that the “shoddy journalism” of Newsnight’s recent smear was no “lapse” of standards at all. BBC news programs have for years been poorly checked recitations of the work of activists.
UPDATE5: Maurizo has added some analysis.
Summary for those without much time to read it all: Why the List of Participants to the BBC CMEP Jan 2006 Seminar is important
http://omnologos.com/why-the-list-of-participants-to-the-bbc-cmep-jan-2006-seminar-is-important/
UPDATE 6: Maurizo asked to add this –
I have not “given” the 28Gate list any importance. In fact, not one of the bloggers and journalists and commenters has “given” the 28Gate list any importance. It has been the BBC that GAVE IMPORTANCE TO 28GATE by spending so much money on lawyers. Therefore, 28Gate is important.
Just a thought, but did Helen Boaden or another claim under oath in the FOIA case that the attendees were ‘experts’? If so, isnt that perjury?
Not only BBC, Australian ABC needs urgent ”Perestroika” also. All those apparatchiks named above; should have their assets frozen and passports confiscated, until is found if GLOBAL warming is for real and is cumming or not – crime shouldn’t pay!!! On taxpayer’s paid responsible jobs / abuse of privileged position – misappropriation of tax $$$ ===DOCTRINE OF SEPARATION OF POWER BETWEEN THE NATIONAL BROADCASTER AND POLITICAL PARTY, IS DEAD. Should be resuscitated!!! NO BALANCED REPORTING = NO DEMOCRACY.
12 gates to the White City? (BBC’s current affairs and factual and learning programmes HQ, including ‘Top Gear’ so not all bad!)
There’s three gates in the East
There’s three gates in the West
There’s three gates in the North
There’s three gates in the South
That makes twelve gates to the city, hallelujah
And it’s oh, what a beautiful
Oh
Oh Lord, what a beautiful city
Twelve gates to the city, hallelujah
Reverend Gary Davis
Apologies – it looks like I was mistaken about Richard North of EUReferendum being there. Having read so many blogs it can be a little blurry in hindsight. I certainly remember reading something by someone who was there, although possibly in a peripheral role.
If this list is picked up by certain UK newspapers it could be more bad news for the BBC. In the past they could have shrugged it off using their reputation, but now they are wounded and open to attack.
If the papers followed this up by examining the horrible bias in their ‘science’ programs [‘Climate Wars’ and various ‘Horizon’ programs] as well as news ‘reporting’ they could spin it out for weeks or months.
This would tie-in with the backlash against windfarms, concerns from British industry that a carbon tax and increased energy prices will make them uncompetative, concerns that a lack of a credible energy policy will lead to blackouts, etc.
It may just fizzle out, but as someone who lives in the UK I hope not.
Zoominfo: TVE network
http://www.tve.org, 30 Aug 2011 [cached]
Rafael Hidalgo is tve’s part-time coordinator for Latin America and the Caribbean. A graduate in electronic engineering, Rafael Hidalgo worked in the Venezuelan media for 15 years. As executive director of Artévision-USB, the production arm of Simon Bolivar University in Caracas – and tve’s partner in Caracas – he played a leading role in the ground-breaking microMACRO project, the tve Latin American Network’s series on environmental entrepreneurs. He moved to Spain to complete a Media MBA (Universidad Carlos III, Madrid) in 2002 and joined tve as microMACRO project coordinator the following year. Since 2004, he has been working at the Open University, where he has had several roles involving the management of the production of teaching materials – including audiovisual, software, multimedia and web resources – see tve partners…
TVE: News
http://www.tve.org, 10 July 2001 [cached]
“Our challenge will be to adapt 60 programmes in the catalogue of the international TV Trust for the Environment into television that appeal to a diverse audience in all the countries of our continent” adds Rafael Hidalgo, chief of Venezuela’s Arte Vision.
http://www.zoominfo.com/#!search/profile/person?personId=28057353&targetid=profile
Hilarious.
Well done to Tony Newbury.
The list is not be a big surprise, the usual environmental taliban.
I don’t think anybody else has mentioned how the BBC is funded, i.e. by the UK public. If you live in the UK you have to pay £150 a year for the privilege of watching the BBC.
given BBC’s former Director-General Mark Thompson, now at NYT, is enmeshed in the many Jimmy Savile investigations because he was D-G when the Savile Newsnight program was pulled – i can’t see how the NYT can afford to keep him, to be honest:
12 Nov: Telegraph: James Delingpole: BBC’s latest excuse: forget Jimmy Savile, blame Nigel Lawson
The other day I argued that, following the Jimmy Savile and Lord McAlpine disasters, the BBC will learn nothing and do nothing. Patten – I’ll bet you: and there’s no bet I’d more happily lose – will keep his well-upholstered rear stuck firmly in the Chairman’s seat. The BBC will remain, as it is now, a bastion of entrenched left-liberal orthodoxy. If you need proof, have a read of this astonishing speech just delivered to Oxford University by the BBC’s ex-Director General Mark Thompson…
He quotes the Doran survey (“97 per cent of scientists say…”), quite unaware that it has been exposed as rubbish; he is impressed by Bob Ward whom he seeks to brandish as an expert in the field; he constructs his whole speech around the argumentum ad verecundiam – blissfully unaware throughout that by citing supposed authorities such as the Royal Society he is guilty of precisely the rhetorical fallacy he is striving to criticise.
My favourite bit though is the one where – again unwittingly, it seems – he resorts to yet another rhetorical fallacy (the argumentum ad populum) to demonstrate that “scientists” are considered in opinion surveys to be much more trustworthy than “journalists.”
Well given what the BBC has done over the years in its piss-poor reportage of any number of issues to discredit the cause of honest journalism, is it any wonder?
The New York Times is more than welcome to its new editor. Frankly, they deserve each other.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100189238/bbcs-latest-excuse-forget-jimmy-savile-blame-nigel-lawson/
Poor form I know but it amused me to note how many of the BBC attendees are now ex, ‘resting’ or suing …
http://web.archive.org/web/20071108153956/http://www.ibt.org.uk/all_documents/dialogue/Real%20World%20Brainstorm%20Sep%202007%20background.pdf?PHPSESSID=646ac9912b785ecd5f9230ff4d8b8ac6
The International Broadcasting Trust (IBT) has been lobbying the BBC, on behalf of all
the major UK aid and development agencies … So far, 6 seminars have taken place. They have had a significant impact on the BBC’s output … As a result of the success of these seminars, further brainstorms are now planned for 2008.
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Here we have it, from IBT’s own documents:
“a significant impact on the BBC’s output”
Their lobbying has changed what the BBC reports. A lobby group that works on behalf of aid and development agencies has directly affected what the BBC reports to the public.
Clearly, the BBC is no longer a public institution. It is working at the IBT’s direction, on behalf of aid and development agencies, using public money to fund this effort. At a minimum this would appear to be a Breach of Trust by the BBC Trustees.
Actually, that whole “INTERNATIONAL BROADCASTING TRUST” document is worth reading. Just how much is BBC output being influenced by the unaccountable organisations that seek to control its agenda. As of 2007, six seminars had taken place. What was the result of the other five, and how many others have taken place since?
Anita Neville is with E3G (Third Generation Environmentalism), founded by Foreign & Commonwealth Offices’s John Ashton:
E3G John Ashton, Founding Director
John Ashton is a Founding Director of E3G. He was the Special Representative for Climate Change to the UK Foreign Secretary from 2006 to 2012. He was appointed Commander of the Order of the British Empire (CBE) in the 2012 Birthday Honours for services to international climate change.
John is one of a new generation of diplomats equally at home in the worlds of foreign policy and green politics. Before moving outside government to establish E3G in 2005, John had a distinguished career in the UK’s Foreign and Commonwealth Office, including founding and leading its Environment Policy Department.
A major theme of John’s career has been China. He speaks Chinese. He was an adviser to Governor Chris Patten in Hong Kong from 1993-7. His first diplomatic assignment, from 1981-4, was as Science Attaché in the British Embassy in Beijing…
John was the first Chief Executive of E3G in 2005-06, before returning to the UK Foreign Office as the Foreign Secretary’s Special Representative for Climate Change…
He had the personal title of Ambassador with direct access to the Foreign Secretary. John played a key role in designing the FCO’s climate change network and strategy, with its focus on climate stability as a precondition for security, prosperity and equity, and on strategic political engagement with the emerging and other major economies.
John has been continuously active in climate diplomacy in various capacities since 1997. He was involved in negotiating the EU 2020 package on climate change in spring 2007 and the decision in December 2008 on funding for CCS across Europe. He helped negotiate the agreement in 2005 between the EU and China to demonstrate zero emission coal technology in China, and was closely involved in the EU’s engagement with Russia over the Kyoto Protocol. He played a key role in the first UN security debate on climate change in April 2007. He was a senior member of the UK negotiating team in the UN climate negotiations from 1998-2002, and again at Copenhagen.
John Ashton is a Visiting Professor at Imperial College London, and a Member of the Green College Centre for Environmental Policy and Understanding. He is a steering committee member of Climate Care and serves on the Advisory Boards of the Climate Institute, Washington DC; the UK Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research; the Bren School of Environmental Science and Management, University of California, Santa Barbara; and Climate Change Capital.
http://www.e3g.org/about/John-Ashton/
17 Oct: E3G: John Ashton speaks at Asahi World Environmental Forum, Tokyo
John Ashton, one of E3G’s founding directors, gave a speech at the Asahi World Environmental Forum 2012 in Tokyo on the 16th October. Entitled “Climate Change and the Race for Growth”, the speech urges countries to raise climate change up the political agenda and move away from a ‘business as usual approach’ to growth. Climate policies of China, the US, the EU, the UK and Japan are also discussed…
http://www.e3g.org/programmes/climate-articles/john-ashton-speaks-at-asahi-world-environmental-forum-tokyo1/
I think that you are kidding yourselves if you think this revelation will change anything.
For one, the timing is really bad – the beeb is so wrapped up in child abuse allegations and hypocrisy at the moment that nothing else will see the light of day – for the prurient press that is far more interesting than a deliberate skewing of editorial policy into what most of them will see as being ‘the right direction’ anyway.
Dr Andrew Dlugolecki produced a report for the Chartered Insurance Institute in the UK about climate change. He is of course entirely impartial. In an interview in 2009 about the report he said:
“We believe climate change is already happening, and to give you an example of hot months in the UK, the kind of temperatures that we used to see once every hundred years – in other words with a one per cent risk – has now risen to about an eight per cent risk. In insurance you would normally insure against something that comes about one per cent of the time and already we’re seeing events that used to happen once every thousand years happening with a probability of one per cent. We’re seeing a big change already in the climate, a change at the levels where insurance and re-insurance has to pay attention.”
What utter nonsense. Of course ever since he said this I don’t think we have had anything but cold wet summers and cold winters in the UK.
Notice to all Deniers: “Hacking” henceforth will be redefined to include using Web archive sites.
No surprise the BBC wanted to keep the list secret! I wonder how many others did too? Perhaps that was the reason for the odd choice of judge in the case — someone who was willing to give the “right” answer?
Even now, the BBC has links all over the place and who knows what nudge-nudge-wink-wink arrangements could have been made in an effort to preserve its appearance of impartiality.
I found it very funny that the BBC news was reporting on Entwistle’s departure as if it was a major story. I wonder if it will do the same on this story? I think not, but hopefully one of the less biased MSM organisations might pick it up.
In light of recent events –
A motto for the BBC, – “Protecting the Planet and Pedophiles.”
The top secret list of the TwentyEight… all in the Wayback machine… Ahhahahaha! Idiots!
Nice sleuthing, Omnologos!
(Now I can see some BBC investigative journalists trying to find out who this “Omnologos” REALLY is… and where his lair is…)
Andrew Dlugolecki, Insurance industry consultant. post-katrina, maybe 2005/2006?
Center for Science and Technology Policy Research Colorado: THOUGHTS ABOUT THE IMPACT OF CLIMATE CHANGE ON INSURANCE CLAIMS
Andrew Dlugolecki
Visiting Research Fellow, Climatic Research Unit, University of East Anglia
http://cstpr.colorado.edu/sparc/research/projects/extreme_events/munich_workshop/dlugolecki.pdf
No one seems to have noticed the absence of Mr Richard Black from the list, the BBC science reporter notorious for being able to argue black is white (no pun intended) on all matters to do with climate.
I had thought the reason the BBC fought tooth and nail not to disclose this list was because HRH Charlieness was involved. Anyhow, that is not the case and as has been pointed out previously here, that’s all right because the BBC Head of Comedy, the US Embassy representative, the Church of England and assorted loony environmental activists were there.
This is just another instance of the amateurish way in which the once highly professional BBC is run these days.
It would be interesting to see what was said by the BBC in their defence of the FOI case. Did they actually say use the defence of the 28 being scientists? They may have perjured themselves?
Now we know why they wanted to keep the list confidential. Imagine if the Nazis had gotten a hold of that list? Talk about dodging a bullet.
Charles Gerard Nelson says:
November 12, 2012 at 4:50 pm
More than 3,000 people a week are being prosecuted for not having a TV licence… The number of prosecutions has risen in part because many more are struggling to pay. In 2010, licence fee fines totalled just under £25million a year.
Being charged/taxed/licensed to pay for their Global Warming Drivel™ is one thing, being fined for refusing to pay for it is insanity.
Anything that can be licensed is fundamentally lawful anyway. Don’t pay it – fight back! Here in Australia, we used to pay a fee, but it’s since been revoked decades ago. Is your gubberment ripping you off THAT much eh? Who woulda thunk it..
_Jim says:
November 12, 2012 at 6:32 pm
“Hello Konrad. Did we have a discussion about IR Spectroscopy previously? The ‘group’ of 28 may or may not have a grasp of the subject at hand, but it is best to address them for those issues for which you have ‘actionable’, provable points or issues rather than simply riding one’s familiar hobby horse …”
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An unfinished discussion maybe, however not about spectoscopy but rather radiative cooling and convection. You will note on that thread I gave a description of an empirical experiment including a list of materials and construction instructions. I suspect you have yet to build and run such an experiment. Type, as I often say, is cheap.
Of course big oil was there no doubt there to undermine the ‘science’, those evil bastards!!
When will the AGW crowd accept they are funded by big oil?