NOAA’s impersonation of the two faced god Janus just proved my point about station siting issues with their actions that speak louder than words.
While there’s all this caterwauling about my PBS News hour interview, and my statements were apparently so threatening that NOAA itself asked PBS to publish a rebuttal in their apologetic story about having my interview, in the real world, NOAA is actually taking my concerns seriously and funding a research project to study my concern. But NOAA of course wouldn’t own up to that on PBS, instead they wrote essentially “all is well, nothing to see here, move along”.
Here’s Spencer Michels commentary and NOAA’s statement as published at the PBS website yesterday:
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Let’s start on the question of whether temperature data is flawed. That was raised by Watts, and his views on that are being heavily criticized on the web today.
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration wrote a response to us and stands by its record on temperature data. Here is what NOAA sent:
The American public can be confident in NOAA’s long-standing surface temperature record, one of the world’s most comprehensive, accurate and trusted data sets. This record has been constructed through many innovative methods to test the robustness of the climate data record developed and made openly available for all to inspect by NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center. Numerous peer-reviewed studies conclusively show that U.S. temperatures have risen and continue to rise with recent widespread record-setting temperatures in the USA. There is no doubt that NOAA’s temperature record is scientifically sound and reliable. To ensure accuracy of the record, scientists use peer-reviewed methods to account for all potential inaccuracies in the temperature readings such as changes in station location, instrumentation and replacement and urban heat effects.
Specifically, NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center published a scientific peer-reviewed paper (Menne, et al., 2010) that compared trends from stations that were considered well-sited and stations that received lower ratings on siting conditions, which found that the U.S. average temperature trend is not inflated by poor station siting. A subsequent research study led by university and private sector scientists reached the same conclusion (Fall et al. 2011). Additionally, the Department of Commerce Inspector General reviewed the US Historical Climatology Network dataset in July 2010 and concluded that “the respondents to our inquiries about the use of and adjustments to the USHCN data generally expressed confidence in the [USHCN] Version 2 dataset.”
Looking ahead to the next century, NOAA has implemented the U.S. Climate Reference Network (USCRN) – with 114 stations across the contiguous United States located in pristine, well-sited areas. Comparing several years of trends from the well-sited USCRN stations with USHCN shows that the temperature trends closely correspond – again validating the accuracy of the USHCN U.S. temperature record.
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Now, while NOAA is claiming at PBS that the surface temperature record is “accurate” and “The American public can be confident in NOAA’s long-standing surface temperature record…” they quietly fund a new project to look into EXACTLY the questions I’ve been raising. It’s a Janus moment for NOAA.
From the USCRN Annual Report: http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/uscrn/publications/annual_reports/FY11_USCRN_Annual_Report.pdf
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5.1.3 Planning for Thermal Impacts Experiment
Initial funding was provided this year by the USRCRN Program for a multi-year experiment to better understand the thermal impacts of buildings with parking lots on air temperature measurements. A site near the offices of ATDD will be instrumented to measure accurately the air temperature and other variables at multiple distances from the potential thermal heat source, corresponding to the distances from thermal sources used in classifying USCRN stations (Figure 7).
This study will have several applied and practical outcomes. Determining the downwind range of influence of a typical building will be important for understanding built environment impacts on surface air temperature measurements. Other measurements of radiation and heat fluxes will help illuminate the physical processes responsible for any detected heat transfers. Finally, this information will help influence future USCRN/USRCRN siting decisions. Additional insight is being sought by collaborating with National Weather Service (NWS) and National Institute for Standards and Technology (NIST) on extensions of the basic project. This effort promises to be greatly useful to understanding climate quality temperature measurements and how they can be influenced by the station site environment.
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So why would NOAA say “all is well” with the surface temperature record, on one hand to PBS, while on the other hand fund a project to examine exactly my issues that they say “don’t matter”? It seems they took Spencer Michels and PBS for a ride with their Janus duplicity.
I predict that unless they figure in surface area of heat sinks/sources as well as distance, the experiment will show no significant effects. Of course, given what we’ve seen, that may be the goal.
We’ve already learned about what happens when you figure in distance AND surface area of biasing elements around climate monitoring stations and published about it here in my announcement of Watts et al 2012. Not looking at the surface area issue is why Menne et al 2010 and Fall et al 2011 found no significant effects. The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) has endorsed this as the new standard for station siting analysis:
World Meteorological Organization Commission for Instruments and Methods of Observation, Fifteenth session, (CIMO-XV, 2010) WMO publication Number 1064, available online at: http://www.wmo.int/pages/prog/www/CIMO/CIMO15-WMO1064/1064_en.pdf
See Michel Leroy’s study listed in there. When we applied Leroy’s surface area metrics to the siting bias equation, bingo, station siting effects popped right out:
Our new reanalysis (taking into account the TOBS issue raised) says the siting related heat sink/source effect is real and affects not only the absolute temperatures (for record highs/lows) but also the trend of temperatures. NOAA compounds the issue by making adjustments that mask the problem, and make it worse.
I’ll have more in a future post. (h/t to Steve Mosher)


“Comparing several years of trends from the well-sited USCRN stations with USHCN shows that the temperature trends closely correspond……” is not quite the same as part 5.4.1 of the USCRN annual report, which states that, “the magnitude of the difference between the U.S. Historical Climatology Network Version 2 (USHCN v2) monthly temperature departures for the U.S and those for USCRN would be expected to decline over time as USCRN better resolves the national climate signal with more stations.”
Why don’t they just give the research money to Anthony Watts who is already doing the research to help him to continue with the research? That is what a well run business in the private sector would do.
LazyTeenager says:
“What if this study does not give the result that you want?”
The study is clearly designed to produce the results they are looking for… also
LazyTeenager says:
“It’s called checking and rechecking your work.”
Normally one checks and rechecks before they make huge claims saying everything is perfect and such. When suddenly everyone is questioning your work and you make a huge claim… and then start checking and rechecking, thats generally viewed correctly as one or more of the following
1. Not having faith in your work.
2. Not having done proper checks in the first place.
3. Doing your best to cover up any problems found.
4. Doing damage control because you know you’ve been caught.
mfo says:
“Why don’t they just give the research money to Anthony Watts who is already doing the research to help him to continue with the research? That is what a well run business in the private sector would do.”
I think Anthony should submit a bid, at half the USHCN budget for the new ‘well sited stations’. No doubt there would be plenty of profit in such a bid, and USHCN would have a hard time explaining how they are not wasting taxpayer funds. Plus, Anthony is honest. Not so sure about USHCN.
John@EF says:
September 19, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Do you know which journal will be handling the peer review process?
I’m sure he does. Thanks for your interest. Now naff off.
Browser ad-choices nonsense solved. A tweak on the firewall has blocked them.
I wonder what the temperature record looks like if every undocumented adjustment is removed?
One building DOES NOT equate to urban expansion ! DOH !!!!!
I hope you get a good portion of that government money for all the work you have done on the subject. If you had not done what you have done they wouldn’t be doing what they are doing.
Just moved my sensor over to the air conditioner by the grill and furnace exhaust, think it will alter the temp. data? Nah, my data is always correct in my mind.
Now that I think of it, when we setup a station in high school it was in a field away from everything. We should have placed it by the parking lot and Hasen would have thought it was warming in 1977.
tallbloke says:
September 19, 2012 at 2:14 pm
… I’m sure he does. Thanks for your interest. Now naff off.
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Thanks for the informative response. You’re obviously knowledgeable regarding the status of Watt et al. 2012. Do you have any information to share relative to my other two questions?
I wonder if anyone has ever figured out that having a sampling station at say, 50′ AGL (above ground level) may obtain a more REALISTIC local Atmospheric temp than ANY ground station within the level of the “boundary layer”…?? In point of fact, a comparison between “standard” stations (over various ground conditions, versus a MATCHED station, 50′ high, would be interesting. I think I’ll get a remote sensor put up in one of my 90′ high oak trees!
Max
If I read Steven Mosher’s semi-cryptic hint correctly, this is not supposed to matter. Apparently it does. Mosher?
E.M.Smith says:
September 19, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Extreme example of not uncommon “hot brakes” after landing. Not to mention burning rubber.
LazyTeenager says:
September 19, 2012 at 1:36 pm
So why would NOAA say “all is well” with the surface temperature record, on one hand to PBS, while on the other hand fund a project to examine exactly my issues that they say “don’t matter”?
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It’s called checking and rechecking your work.
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It’s also called CYA.
(If only they’d rechecked Hanson and Mann!)
As usual we have the PR tail wagging the rational dog. Most of what NOAA says is little more than smoke and mirrors. What I find most disconcerting is the lack of rationality and civility being shown by the all sides in of these debates. That is to be expected what the issue is essentially faith based.
Title works with the “J” removed also.
LT’s posts need some viagra or something. Sure are flaccid lately.
DesertYote says:
September 19, 2012 at 3:15 pm
8^D
And for the NewsHour doubling down (or tripling down) on the NOAA coming to their rescue, pull the slider on this video of their 9/18 broadcast yesterday to the 53 minute 05 second point (after the obligatory opening 30 second commercial allows you): http://www.pbs.org/newshour/video/archive/2012/09/18/index.html There is not web transcript for this little bit at the end or their program.
There are some other studies that might be of interest to folks
I’ve sent one to Anthony on average SUHI for large cities ( over 1 million) about 400 cities
studied. And there is some work coming out on small cities and the role of city size and Shape!
not a simple problem.
and there is another one.. more later.
maybe Antony will compose a seperate page and folks can contribute there favorite papers. a resource page
David Ball says:
September 19, 2012 at 3:20 pm
DesertYote says:
September 19, 2012 at 3:15 pm
8^D
Cracked, cheeky, and best covered up…
DesertYote says:
September 19, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Title works with the “J” removed also.
http://www.news.com.au/realestate/selling/roads-by-any-other-name-would-sell-as-sweet/story-fndbawks-1226470718882
EM. Smith there is a study of the micro climate at an airport. hard to find but its out there.
For folks who worry about jet exhaust one place to start to get an idea of how the temperatures fall off as a function of distance you can start with ground safety documents.
Like the one below around pages 6-6-13
http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_gallery/files/tech_data/AC/Airbus-AC_A340-500_600_Dec11.pdf
Of course that doesnt answer all the questions, but it gives you idea of how quickly the temperature falls off in the plume. There are other documents showing that, but again
you need to look in the right places ( defense publications ) where there is a reason
to measure how quickly a temperature field dissipates.
And you can just look at the surface temperature from space. Also, instructive. Wind , low buildings, and low surface roughness..all interesting
At least you have to give them props for looking into it. They could just go “Hansen,” bury their head in the sand and declare it a perfect record.
I hope they do a couple of things:
1. I’m sure there are still a few Cotton shelters out there. Maybe they could “pair-up” the CRS with the MMTS (Maximum-Minimum Temperature System) and see if there is a difference between the two. With that, they’d have a better handle on the cross-over of stations.
2. Make sure they have a good data-logger. With minute-by-minute data, they can see if their TOB corrections are valid.
BTW, is there temp data already in the system for that location? Would be nice to see the current history (before they start the study).