LewWorld has increased its spin and is now “drilling into noise“. The resulting increased spin and precession looks to be creating dangerous wobble on LewWorld. Meanwhile while Lew is drilling for noise, McIntyre has tried to get the same results as Lewandowsky’s paper by taking Lewandowsky’s noisy data and applying the same techniques listed in the paper. Replication doesn’t appear possible. It looks like the paper is a dry hole even though it is gushing superheated air. Meanwhile, Lewandowsky’s coauthor, John Cook, has been host to his own oily conspiracy fanboy club. If you have not read it yest, be sure to read: ‘…we need a conspiracy to save humanity’, because it seems to be a true window into the soul of “Skeptical Science” denizens. Also of interest, Tom Fuller analyses Lewandowsky’s medicalization of skeptics.
A. Scott takes a look at some of the drilling logic being applied by Lewandowsky in this essay below. Finally, at the end, I have a short poll about Michael Mann and Stephan Lewandowsky.
I have 10 fingers and toes, therefore I faked the (Moon) Landing hoax
Motivated Rejection of the Lew…by A.Scott
There’s a new story up – “drilling into noise” – by the lead author, Stephen Lewandowsky, of the recent paper “NASA faked the moon landing – therefore (climate) science is a hoax: An anatomy of the motivated rejection of science.”
For the first time, in a now total 9 blog posts on this paper, this most recent story is more talk, less condescension and derision towards those who would dare challenge his work. Well OK, mostly, sorta less. It is a long story, with lots of fancy terms, initials, equations and descriptions.
In it he reminds us lowly unwashed masses that we are knowledge-less simpletons – merely “toying” with his data. That we couldn’t possibly understand all the important stuff real scientists like him know. Or maybe he didn’t say it exactly that way, but it’s just how it came across.
He takes the long way around to re-tell us why skeptics are somehow conspiracy theorists who believe the moon landing, and (science), is fake, or something like that. I guess the parentheses mean because the answers to some of the other questions about science were true, that we can perform a latent variable analysis, and prove we actually DO believe in that fake old moon landing even though we said we didn’t. Or maybe not.
That’s this cool new idea he shares – we can’t just look at the simple answers to the questions – like whether we believe the moon landing was fake, nah, those 10 people don’t know nothing – they’re just noise. Nothing to see here – no one behind this curtain – now move along …
No – we must look to the answers of the other questions, to determine if we believe the moon landing was fake and thus are nasty old science rejecters. And motivated ones at that. Or something like that.
Of course he cannot go into the details in a place such as his own blog, but never fear he assures us, they mixed up some particularly resilient associations between latent constructs, and hypothesized that pesky measurement error right outta your clothes. I might have mixed that up a little though – its tough for us mere mortals to follow all that complicated sciencey stuff you know. I think I feel a definite conspiracy ideation coming on after that. Better take an aspirin.
I may be a bumpkin, but I think I can help simplify his story.
I have 10 fingers and 10 toes. So I can usually count to 20, or sometimes a few more, without much trouble.
I don’t need to even take my shoes off to count the total number of folks who agree the NASA Apollo Moon Landing was fake – and filmed in Hollywood … Beverley Hills that’s is …
Just 6 poor saps said they “Strongly Agree” the moon landing was a hoax. And 4 more said they “Agree.” A whopping 10 science rejecters right there I tell you. Of course some of them might be fake. We might only need one hand to count them.
I have a fancy technique too. Well, more of a rule really … my rule is if you can counts it on fingers and toes – its probably correct – they usually don’t lie.
I rarely need pivot tables, linear regression, informed judgment, uninformed judgment, deep statistical competence or incompetence, SEM, latent constructs, latent variables, latent prints, clean socks, pretty rocks, or any other special highfaluting whizbang stuff to count numbers that fit on my fingers and toes.
I submit a new theory too, that if a number fits on your fingers and toes, it ain’t that darn unhelpful noise he’s sqwaukin’ about – unless of course you’re snappin’ your fingers ’cause you just figured out the answer. That could be noise – at least if you’re good at snappin’ your fingers.
I can also tell you if you have a number that fits on the old “digit-all” calculator (its a joke son, get it – digits) and someone tries to claim it has some latent construct or any such thing if you compare it to to a room FULL of hands and feet, there just might be something in common between that fella and what ‘ol Bessie’s out in the pasture making right about now. He just might be one of them types, if they can’t dazzle you with their brilliance, they start trying to baffle you with their … err, well … Bessie byproduct.
I guess the moral of the story is you can always trust your fingers and toes.
Any time you can use those good old fingers and toes to solve a tough question you usually don’t need nothing fancier – and you can pretty much trust the answer. Even if you’re a scientist. Well, unless you’re a rocket scientist and you might send your pal Zeke the chimpanzee to Pluto instead of Mars. Then you should probably break out the slide rule.
Or at least take off your shoes to double check your work.
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[added] also worth reading is Willaim Brigss essay: NASA Faked Moon Landing—Academic Psychologists Swoon, Tie It To Climate Change
One day a terrific psychological study is going to be written on the madness and mass lunacy which arose after climate change swam into the public’s ken. I don’t mean the actions and thoughts of the man-in-the-street, which were and are no different in this area than they were and are in any political matterhe . No: the real curiosity is what happened to academia, inside departments which haven’t anything to do with climatology.
Given the bizarre work of Dr. Stephan Lewandowsky, his hilarious protestations over the questions raised about his data gathering methods and his methodology, plus his “muted for prime time” hatred that you can read between the lines (as well as what we see on his mouthpiece wesbite, Skeptical Science, I decided it was time to ask this question:
Has Dr. Stephan Lewandowsky usurped Dr. Michael Mann as the most irrationally emotive spokesman for climate alarmism?
On JJ,s comment on the chart, the really sad part is that Lewendowsky cherry picks 1973 (Ice age scare low temp.) as the starting point for his (correct) slope in order to show how skeptics cherry pick starting points.
Only Mann and Lewandowsky to choose from in this poll seems a bit limited. What about James “Coal trains of Death” Hansen, Al “No Ice in the Arctic by 2013” Gore, Scott “Rapid Response” Mandia, John “The Editor” Cook, David “We Have Joined God” Suzuki, Tim “Sydney’s Dams could be dry in two years” Flannery or a host of others.
Here is a link to quotes from some of the world’s biggest environmental drama queens.
http://www.c3headlines.com/global-warming-quotes-climate-change-quotes.html
On Sept. 14 on his blog (STW run by SkS) Lewandowsky stated that an ‘extended’ supplemental information was being prepared. He also referred to “typesetting” for the article which was not yet complete. One wonders about the process with the journal leading to the additional info being provided — did the journal editor(s) request or require it? Has the article’s publication in fact been delayed (since it does not appear as of the Sept. issue) or is it on the original schedule? Evidently the normal peer review of the journal did not require the added SI, else it would have been ready when the article was announced to various journalists as “in press”…. can anyone get info from the journal about the process of extended “peer review” (e.g. Climate Audit) which led to the SI “being extended” now at such a late moment? They may pretend it is all normal science, but how many times has the journal Psychological Science recognized any such concerns after an article was already “in press”? Why is it so difficult for Prof. Lewandowsky and their co-authors to honesty acknowledge that the article was not ready for prime time? He also mentions that he is unwilling to release other info that is subject to an FOI request, so presumably he does not want to “pre-empt” (his term) the FOI process in case he can get away with not releasing more? [cross posted this with CA]
Ahh… a new member of the Clade. “Homo piltdownensis lewandowsky”
I’ve seen some really clever turd-polishing in my day, and some, er, well rather sloppy stuff (“I did not have sexual relations with that woman”, HARRY_READ_ME.txt etc.)……
But this little hissy-fit has been reclassified as the Loondoubtsky latent construct.
Lewey is a wannabe Mannie but won’t get any kudos until he gets his unique research results prominently displayed within AR5.
Mann and his hockey stick did real actual damage to society and her treasure.
Lewandowsky has merely bruised ego and caused many to chafe at his blatant unscientific characterization of skeptics. It is the peer reviewers who should have their feet held to the fire. Altogether, the impact on the public and policy will be zero. A slight rise in disdain for the whole climate debate… perhaps. GK
“Well, I have 10 fingers and 10 toes. So I can usually count to 524,288 and double that if I ignore zero. But I doubt Lew has the mathematical ability and understanding for him to work out how I do it.
Richard”
Well, with 20 bits, a 2s complement representation gives integers from -524,288 to +524,287 including zero. Sign/magnitude would be +/- 524,287 with 2 zeros. Or, positive integers only 0-1,048,575. (Recently came up at work with representing angles +/-180 or 0-360).
Ummm …. the comparison in the poll question is not about who has had the longest career, or who has had the most impact on opinion, or who has gotten their work into IPCC propaganda, or any other measure of climate alarmist status ….
The question simply compares their degree of being “Irrationally emotive.”
In this I think Lew wins. But by the time skeptics get done with him it’ll be all over for him. He’ll be back to being irrelevant.
Irrelevantly emotive.
Against the silly specious view that Lew’s title is merely meant to be ‘humor’ — that title is severely misleading and disingenuous, not at all like the other light hearted examples of humor-in-science-titles offered on STW by Doug Bostrom. In reality, it is incredible how far Bostrom et al can bend and warp themselves to try to rationalize Lew. I won’t try to comment there due to the highly offensive blog mod operations, so I hope it is ok to discuss issues here as relevant.
See if this one (below) survives STW@SkS mod editing…. normally there is plenty to disagree with Tom Curtis about, but on the objectionable nature of Lewandowsky’s title TC is right on target:
http://www.shapingtomorrowsworld.org/news.php?p=2&t=134&&n=166
Based on total damage, Mann reigns supreme. I think Lew comes in somewhere behind Gleick in terms of damage to the brand name. Both of them behind Gore who has been very publically identified as a liability and dumped by many of the more cunning among the CAGW hoaxters.
What the heck do Lewandowsky’s students think about all this? They must be following the online saga. Apart from anything else, it’s their HECS money helping to fund this guy.
Australian taxpayer: I paid 1.7 million AUD and all I got was this lousy Moon Landing Hoax smear.
Don’t the accountants of the CO2AGW smear machine demand some efficiency from their smear producers?
Skiphil says:
September 17, 2012 at 6:06 pm
64. Stephan Lewandowsky at 22:04 PM on 14 September, 2012
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“…….Time permitting, I may also write another post or two on topics relating to this paper that are of general interest.”
Isn’t it strange that climate evangelists like Lew have all the time in the world to stray from their nominal job descriptions, when it comes to pushing their activist agenda – but suddenly become desperately busy and short of time, when asked for data or methodology?
Foxgoose,
yes strange and ‘interesting’ for what it says about the Lew’s priorities. He can give no credible account of his analysis of data but I do find that JoNova quotes you (congrats on h/t) with a nice new application of Lew’s version of SEM technique:
http://joannenova.com.au/2012/09/lewandowksy-oberauer-gignac-is-the-paper-bad-enough-to-make-history/
david moon:
Thankyou for your post at September 17, 2012 at 8:07 pm. I enjoyed that.
I had not recognised my little joke could lead to some others correcting, commenting and adding to it. Others may want to join in, too. This is fun and it could run and run.
Richard
I just had a look at the Lewandowsky post and had to guffaw at the charlatan graph of how “realists” and “sceptics” look at the data. What a joke.
“… the construct of interest, in this case conspiracist ideation.” That say’s it all for me. He is pursuing his construct of reality and fitting the facts to match. He has no idea of what true scepticism is, and so this statistical experiment is just a sad joke. Sceptics are conspiracists.
Scepticism is not conspiracy ideation, it is the life blood of science and human intellectual development. And for me the simple fact that there are verified examples of actual high level conspiracies (eg, Iran-Contra affair) means that it is senseless to assume that all such theories are just “ideations” and not possibly valid explantions of real events. I would like the see some sort of weighting based on the rational likelihood the conspiracy actual existed. For me, the faked moon landing has a minuscule (but not absolute zero because I can’t verify first hand) likelihood, however the Roosevelt Pacific War theory has greater likelihood because it is harder to judge through the war time propaganda and some historians seem to think it possible. Why doesn’t the stats use some sort of likelihood for each conspiracy instead of setting it to a hard zero? I think that hard zero says a lot about Lewandowsky’s understanding of what scepticism actual is.
Well that explains it… seems that SkS [trimmed, mod] catcher Doug Bostrom says Lewandowsky’s paper was actually all just a joke that the skeptic’s didn’t get. These guys are so pathetic it’s sad
Trying again to get the link to stick
http://hro001.wordpress.com/2012/09/17/lewandowsky-booster-bostrom-invokes-1010-no-pressure-defense/
Foxgoose,
I’m very positive Lewandowsky doesn’t understand the scientific method—I put this to him politely in a comment a week ago, and added:
“when you say that certain people or groups “reject science”, what do you imagine that phrase means, given that you’ve yet to learn what science means?”
My comment didn’t seem to offend anyone. It’s still there. Lewandowsky contacted me about something unrelated that day, and never mentioned it.
The moderators seem happy for me to state that Prof L doesn’t understand the scientific method, but what they very quickly delete (without a trace) is any comment that quotes Prof L’s own conspiracy theorizing from Alene Composta’s blog:
“That still doesn’t make it easier to receive those hateful utterances in the first place, but at least it gives you some sense of control to shut them down. Bear in mind that a proportion of those comments is orchestrated and for all we know there are only a handful of people with multiple electronic “personas” each, who are paid to create disproportionate noise. All the best, Stephan.”
The regulars there deserve to know that he wrote this though.
So I’ll try to tell them.
I can sum up what the paper tells us very simply:
The very minuscule number of people who think the moon landing was faked are likely to also be skeptical of global warming.
However, the paper does not tell us anything about the beliefs of global warming skeptics in regard to moon landings.
Brad says:
I’m very positive Lewandowsky doesn’t understand the scientific method…
Why would he? He has no occupational need of it.
Witch doctors, used car salesmen, politicians, cognitive psychologists, palm readers, propaganda ministers, religious acolytes – adherence to the scientific method is more of an impediment than a benefit to professional success in these fields.
I can only say I would like to moon this man.