Source: http://sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov/assets/img/latest/latest_4096_4500.jpg
A couple of people have noticed (as did I) that the sun is essentially blank.
There was one small sunspot sunspeck 1511 yesterday, giving a sunspot count of 13. Today there’s a a small cluster of spots near the SE limb:
Source: http://sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov/assets/img/latest/latest_4096_HMII.jpg
While this quiet sun not unprecedented, given the expected solar maximum is only about 7 to 9 months away, it is interesting and lends credence to the idea that this is one of the quietest solar cycles in a very long time.
You can check the latest status and imagery on the WUWT Solar Reference Page
BTW in case anybody is wondering, the WUWT climate widget has had problems getting updated sunspot numbers posted, I’ve had to resort to manual updates until such time I can wade into the issue. So if the spot and 10.7CM numbers are wrong, you know why.
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mikelorrey says:
June 24, 2012 at 6:32 pm
any EE can explain induction.
But induction cannot proceed more a few times the skin-depth. Any EE knows that too.
Eric Simpson, early mention of CO2 causing temperature increases.
WUWT has had several articles on very early predictions and errors in those predictions.
I found an Encyclopedia Americana 1957 yearbook at a thrift store and in the section on meteorology there was an article written by H. E. Landsberg, Director of Climatology, US Weather Bureau that stated: “A recomputation of the inflared absorption of carbon dioxide helps substantiate the belief that changes in the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere can bring about considerable temperature variations. For example, a doubling of the atmospheric content of CO2 would lead to a surface-temperature rise of 6.5 degrees F”. I was very surprised to see it mentioned in a 1957 book.
It really is a shame to see sunspots so poorly counted.
Would anyone disagree that Alexander von Humboldt would not have counted those specks?
ClimateForAll says:
June 24, 2012 at 7:01 pm
It really is a shame to see sunspots so poorly counted.
It is very important that we count sunspots today the exact same way as two hundred years ago. Otherwise the historical record would be useless. So we go to great length and effort to make sure that we don’t count differently today.
My son Owen says: “even a real cueball has more spots than the sun!”
Good Lord! Are you wackos trying to blame the sun for global warming?
That sentence makes little sense as written. In particular, I suspect that the skin effect has little to do with the inertia of the sun’s magnetic field. If anything, the skin effect will increase the damping factor of a system. Forcing the current into a larger loop will increase inductance but will also increase resistance by forcing the current into a narrower path. Unless the conductivity is actually zero, electrical energy is converted to heat and dissipated faster. By definition, that means that the damping factor increases.
This may be counter-intuitive for some people so I will restate it. Increasing the inductance of the system (by making the loop bigger) makes it look like the inertia of the system should increase. The trouble is that the resistance of the system increases and energy is lost faster. Unless the energy of the system is somehow increased, that means that the damping factor of the system increases such that its time constant decreases.
I willingly accept as fact that it is hard for the sun’s magnetic field to change rapidly. I do, however, have a hard time believing that skin depth has anything to do with it. The skin effect would have the opposite effect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_effect Note that the first description of the skin effect was for spherical conductors (ie. the case of the sun). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horace_Lamb
When was the last solar grand minimum ? And what solar cycles were involved ?
commieBob says:
June 24, 2012 at 7:39 pm
“the ‘skin depth’ is very small [50 to 0.2 km] meaning that magnetic changes get damped out over that distance [or a few of those], so the sun cannot change the core field.”
That sentence makes little sense as written. In particular, I suspect that the skin effect has little to do with the inertia of the sun’s magnetic field.
It has nothing to do with the ‘inertia’ of the sun’s magnetic field [if I interprett correctly that strange word in this context]. The sun changes its magnetic field in cycles so the induction in the earth is like that of an external alternating current with a frequency given by the frequency of the solar changes. The numbers I gave was for changes on the scale of a rotation. But shorter and longer cycle exists, and the skin depth is inversely proportional to the square root of the frequency, so there is some variation there, but it is not great [because of the square root].
Mike says:
June 24, 2012 at 7:42 pm
When was the last solar grand minimum ? And what solar cycles were involved ?
Depends on how you define grand minimum. With my definition [really low for a long time] the last grand minimum was 1640-1710, and cycles were not numbered back then [one could give them negative numbers if one cared]
commieBob says:
June 24, 2012 at 7:39 pm
I suspect that the skin effect has little to do with the inertia of the sun’s magnetic field.
I forgot to stress that we are talking about induction in the Earth and changing [or not] the Earth’s field, not the sun.
Having read through some of the comments, its good to see a light discussion on geomagnetism.
Also good to see Leif hasn’t given up entirely on WUWT.
Several things have become evident regarding cosmology.
First.) IBEX discovered over a year ago a band of energy stretching around the heliosphere.
It was undoubtedly thrilling to discover at the time this new ‘thing’ in the heliosphere, but without further studies, its implications may never be known.
Second.) the IBEX mission discovered just a few months ago, or at the very least announces, that there is no bow shock beyond the heliosphere.
I have my doubts that the bow shock just doesn’t exist. it just may be that it fails to appear in its current state. I imagine that we could have more intruments paying closer detail, we would find a bow shock does exsist, but that certain elements have reduced its form, capacity and strength to a nominal state.
Third.) HESS has drawn conclusions that energy in the form of hard photons are discovered along the galactic plane.
For the lack of better understanding, cosmological evolution is in its infancy. If a few telescopes in Africa detect higher energy waves to the power of 10 above what was previously understood, we should give the science some latitude to investigate further.
Science may yet be able to determine the exact physical makeup of dark matter soon.
Four.) Direction, speed and intensity of geomagnetic polarity has to be effected by some other outside source other than the Earth’s core.
While some have speculated that the Sun may play a minor role, I doubt it. To presume that geomagnetism is uneffected by outside influneces would seem a fools errand.
In all recorded data recent magnetic movement, never has the path of MNP(magnetic North Pole) ever been so unnatural as it is now. For thousands of years, the MNP meandered and traveled very slowly and never in the same direction for very long.
In the last one hundred years, the path of MNP has been nearly flawless in one direction. The annual velocity nearly doubles every 14 years. It is unmistakably clear that some outside influence is at work, and only an extremely energetic source has that kind of attraction.
Based upon past evidence, current understanding and near future discoveries, we may learn much in the coming weeks, if not days.
Let me go on record that I postulate that our solar system has or is currently passing through a strong energetic field that has essentially pressed upon the heliosphere in such a way that the detection of the bow shock has made it undetectable. Previous science just doesn’t cease to exist because data can’t provide an answer. Scientists just can’t explain it.
Let me also go on record that I postulate that a very high energetic field, either from the galactic plane or from dark matter is directly involved in effecting the earths magnetic field.
Laugh and giggle all you want. I already know what most of you are thinking. Bear with my thought analysis for just bit longer.
Just as our moon has found a certain balance with the Earth, so may our solar system with the galaxy that it travels within.
All of the evidence I lightly present here and postulate on may very well be the beginning of a polar flip.
Not Armageddon.
If I read our current science right, the highly energetic galactic plane may take our solar system centuries to pass through. But if my calculations are correct, its already begun.
The Heliosphere has shrunk and has become deflated. Several thousand millenniums of rotation can do that- at certain intervals.(Such as it is at this time)
The Sun has entered a protracted state of lull. L&P figures suggest a complete nod in a few years. In addition, recent history suggests that this cycle may well have several maximums, like Lief commented. I imagine that after a century of compressed high solar cycles, the Sun needs to relax.
Having a large amount of gravitational pressure placed upon it, causing both a band of energy and compressing the layers of its outer boundaries placed upon it, the heliosphere is in a position to withstand the upcoming events.
As the Solar system continues on its path, we may certainly experience only what many will regard as a naked singularity event.
Then again, I only postulate.
Much like previous scientists did regarding bow shocks. Maybe I’ll become famous too, solely based on a hypothesis.
Who knew !
Has the rush to the poles happened yet? I saw an article over a year ago that was saying it was off to a late start and never found anything else.
ClimateForAll says:
June 24, 2012 at 8:30 pm
Four.) Direction, speed and intensity of geomagnetic polarity has to be effected by some other outside source other than the Earth’s core.
The conductivity of the core is so high that for all intents and purposes it acts as a superconductor preventing any outside magnetic influence to penetrate more than a few hundred meters into the core. To say that something ‘has to’ influence is just wishful thinking.
never has the path of MNP(magnetic North Pole) ever been so unnatural as it is now.
Well, ‘never’ is a big word…More to the point is that what we observe at the surface bears little relation to the actual field in the core. The latter is 20 times stronger than at the surface and is very irregular, does not really have well-defined dipoles, but consists of many individual poles scattered over the surface. This is what it looks like: http://www.leif.org/research/Magn-Field-Core-Boundary.png and this is what the change from year to year looks like: http://www.leif.org/research/core-secular-change.png
Having a large amount of gravitational pressure placed upon it, causing both a band of energy and compressing the layers of its outer boundaries placed upon it, the heliosphere is in a position to withstand the upcoming events.
There is no gravitational ‘pressure’ placed on the heliosphere or the sun.
Maybe I’ll become famous too, solely based on a hypothesis.
We all like to discover something new and wonderful. It is just VERY hard to do, so be prepared for some sobering up.
David says:
June 24, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Has the rush to the poles happened yet?
In the north, not yet in the south :
Presentation Number 123.03 at SPD meeting in Anchorage Alaska
Presentation Time: Monday, Jun 11, 2012, 2:30 PM – 2:45 PM
Title Cycle 24 Northern-Hemisphere Solar Maximum Observed in Fe XIV
Author Richard C. Altrock
Abstract The onset of the “Rush to the Poles” of polar crown prominences and their associated coronal emission is a harbinger of solar maximum. Altrock (2003, Solar Phys. 216, 343) showed that the “Rush” was well-observed in the the Fe XIV corona at the Sacramento Peak site of the National Solar Observatory prior to the maxima of Cycles 21 to 23. He found that solar maximum in those cycles occurred when the center line of the Rush reached a critical latitude. These latitudes were 76°, 74° and 78°, respectively, for an average of 76° ± 2°.
Applying this method to Cycle 24 is difficult due to the unusual nature of this cycle. Cycle 24 displays an intermittent “Rush” that is only definable in the northern hemisphere. In 2009 an initial slope of 4.6°/yr was found, compared to an average of 9.4 ± 1.7 °/yr in the previous cycles. However, in 2010 the slope increased to 7.5°/yr (an increase did not occur in the previous three cycles). Extending that rate to 76° ± 2° indicates that the maximum smoothed sunspot number in the northern hemisphere ALREADY OCCURRED at 2011.6 ± 0.3. Unfortunately, the smoothed sunspot number uses 12-month running means, so the result may not be testable for several more months. Solar maximum may not [yet] be detectable in the southern hemisphere.
Leif Svalgaard says:
June 24, 2012 at 9:03 pm
David says:
June 24, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Has the rush to the poles happened yet?
An alternative meaning to the question could be whether or not folks have started jogging, canoeing, driving, or skate boarding to the NP, or the N magnetic P, or to where the NMP was some time in the past. Maybe they got over that after freezing their butts and their booze during the last two years.
The sea level on the sun is rising, swallowing up the sunspot islands.
Stop solar warming!
Thanks, Leif. 70 years Wow! That is grand. That would be more than 6 nominal solar cycles in that time period. Is that possible today ? Or are you expecting just a couple of weak cycles – 24,25 ? Or what ?
Mike says:
June 24, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Or are you expecting just a couple of weak cycles – 24,25 ? Or what ?
24 and 25 will be weak, 25 perhaps very weak, but a firm prediction of 25 is not possible yet [we need to see what the polar fields will be doing in five years time].
@Leif Svalgaard + mikelorrey
>>any EE can explain induction.
>But induction cannot proceed more a few times the skin-depth. Any EE knows that too.
It depends on the frequency. Basic EE’ing. That is one reason why chokes don’t have plates.
How can an induced magnetic field created externally be separated from one generated at the core if you can only measure the sum at the surface?
Perhaps an observed field reversal is necessary to add depth to the discussion (literally). They can take place in a very small number of days (according to research on SW USA lava flows). That is unlikely from a liquid core but I will await a real event before deciding.
Sun, Earth and climate as seen through spectral analysis
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/NH-SH.htm
@ur momisuglyMe
An interesting PDF from Leif, and yes, page 11 may well be the bottom line. The straight line extrapolation of the Livingston & Penn graph on page 9 works out at about 2025 (by eyeball), and similarly a straight line extrapolation of the lower graph on page 19 gives about the same date. Staying with that graph the current reluctance to cross the line is also seen in the late 1960s early 1970s. But this time, I think, there is a difference, and we can see that on page 16.
I fear we’re not looking at a 1970s cooling event here, it can now only go deeper and longer, (I hope not) though I think the Jury is still out as to whether we are looking at a repeat of the Dalton or Maunder. There was an interesting graph, (not fully fleshed out, based on tsi of all things, on Tallbloke’s blog), that hints at deeper than the Maunder.
Leif’s last line “what a Wonderful Time”, I would replace with “what an interesting time”, if one lives somewhere warm, otherwise “what a scary time” if one lives somewhere potentially cold, might be more appropriate.
@ur momisugly WiIliam Astley
The idea that geomagnetism is a significant player is attractive, but can you expound on what you said please in “It (is) this orbital parameter that explains why the interglacial periods are roughly 10,000 years long.”
@ur momisuglyClimateForAll & @ur momisuglyWilliam Astley
I find the ideas of external geomagnetic influence intriguing and currently feel that the sun may be the main local driver, but is not the only player, and must be influenced or even driven by external forces. Alternatively it may be that the Sun is not the cause here, but merely a visible beacon of larger solar system and or galactic effects.
@ur momisugly
We know that earthquakes can affect the motion of the entire planet, I think I read that last years Japanese earthquake had an effect on the wobble and or LOD that had been measured. We also know that earthquakes and volcanic activity increase during quiet solar periods, there is a graph of this somewhere, (Landscheidt, perhaps). It seems inevitable that the cause of all this is external to the Earth, and it seems reasonable that this could have a significant effect on the Earth’s presumed internal magnetic gyro, and that, crucially, the effect could lead to a relatively sudden step change in, for instance, obliquity, to produce the Younger Dryas, and the regular(ish) slide into glaciations, though the really sudden effect would seem to be the climb out of glaciations.
Recently on WUWT we have seen extensive and well argued cases for different causes of the Younger Dryas, but, neither succeeded in being entirely convincing. However, a shift in the internal magnetic gyro could well produce the required effect without running into any of the counter evidence that plagued Chilcot and Evan’s posts.
We have the evidence of a marked reduction in magnetic field strength, an increasingly mobile North pole(s), reduced sunspots, a restless planet etc.
Regardless of the causes of glaciations, the timing and pace of this inevitable event is of crucial importance to mankind and will determine the fate of most of this planets population. Beside this, public and political concern about co2 and global warming are misplaced and is suicidal mass sleepwalking in the wrong direction.
The Hypothesis that several of us are now considering is as follows;
The relatively sudden change in magnetic fields of the Sun and Earth that are being measured may be a viable mechanism to explain a similarly relatively sudden change in obliquity which would in its turn be a viable mechanism to explain significant climatic shifts or phase changes such as the Younger Dryas and the beginning and end of glaciations. In all probability combined with a significant change in solar input.
@ur momisugly Leif
Then explain how something as unnatural and seemingly mathematical as the trajectory of MNP could happen. There has to be some other force involved, and its not the Sun, as you and I would agree. Have you had a chance to investigate the HESS data on the hard proton spectrum?
Never in recorded history to be more precise, yes. If the core is 20 times stronger that at the surface and irregular, makes me skeptical of the nature of our dipoles. As to many individual poles, there is no debate from me. The weakening of those type of poles and the amount do suggest that the core influences surface flux greatly, but it does not explain what the MNP is doing.
Words.
gravitational pressure….
How about radiation pressure then.
Or Energy transference.
I would rather concede at this time on our opinion on gravity.
Having said that, the heliosphere is not by any means, unimpeded by interstellar mass, energy or magnetic wave forms outside of the sphere. Something, in the form of energy is impinging on the sphere. Would you not agree?
Lastly, I don’t drink or do drugs. Or smoke for that matter. All of which I feel i should have been awarded a medal for. But yes, sobering up may be necessary, but probably unfounded if I can prove any of this.
Today there is a SN of 24… 24 must be the new “blank”.
It can only have one cause, mankind.
We must have affected the sun with our “light pollution.”