Delusion is a big problem with the green crowd
The draft text for discussion at Rio +20 – the UN conference on sustainable development – makes clear that the summit itself is a waste of energy and time. Even the environmental non-government organizations attending it think so.
Jim Leape, international director-general of World Wildlife Fund, hoped that the document would be renegotiated: “It’s pathetic. It’s appalling. If this becomes the final text the last year has been a colossal waste of time.” Friends of the Earth are even stronger in their disapproval, calling the plans “an epic failure.”
None of this surprises anyone. A process by which representatives from 193 countries have to agree on every word, comma and full stop over several months of discussion is not likely to produce much of anything. Yet expectations are always high, especially when thousands of people are attending Rio +20 in the hope of transformative change coming from such a meeting.
Delusion takes many forms. But the core symptoms of delusion are clear for the green movement.
Here is a list
1) PERSISTENT BELIEF THAT SOME-THING SERIOUS IS HAPPENING.
This has occurred over the last five decades as we have moved through the threat of the ice age, global warming, climate change, climate disaster, man-made natural disaster (another delusion) and the threat of sea-level rise flooding coastal cities around the world.
Full story: http://www.theprovince.com/technology/Delusion+problem+with+green+crowd/6823927/story.html#ixzz1yYjOzVlX
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Some recent examples:
(to be added – this post was published prematurely, accidentally hitting the publish button rather than the save button – readers are welcome to add examples to complete this story. Apologies – Anthony)
UPDATE: Here are recent examples provided by commenters, the one from Skiphill on David Roberts is one I had planned to use.
the author’s 1) to 6) are all much in evidence in the recent babblings of Dave Roberts of Grist.com to a TEDx event:
http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2012/6/19/dave-roberts-at-ted.html
The ravings about 6C or more increase in global temps as guaranteed by the “science” is one of the many delusional aspects of this guy’s outlook.
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Since we are invited to add examples pertaining to the mind-set of these folks, here’s an interesting one on Prince Charles:
http://www.expressindia.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=44686
Sustainable development!!! How about some sustainable conferences? Teleconferencing anyone? These people don’t believe a word that comes from their own mouths. Gore new villa with 6 fire places. Prince Charles………………..I’ll leave it up to you good people to find out how he lives, how many cars, rooms, co2 output and so on……………it’s quite shocking.
Would it hurt to just quote the sequence 2) through 7) of Dr. Murgatroyd’s core symptoms list here, along with the remainder of his essay?
Jimbo says:
“June 22, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Sustainable development!!! How about some sustainable conferences? Teleconferencing anyone? These people don’t believe a word that comes from their own mouths. Gore new villa with 6 fire places. Prince Charles………………..I’ll leave it up to you good people to find out how he lives, how many cars, rooms, co2 output and so on……………it’s quite shocking.”
Yes Jimbo.
It’s quite shocking.
Problem with teleconferencing. It’s not like all being in one room together having a nice party talking hot air and drinking champagne along with caviar and pinching a waitress/hostess’s behind. 😉
As for 6 fireplaces. Well a few thousand phony carbon credits offset that.
The unshakable believe that the world’s governments should be kowtowing and handing the Al Gores of the world dumptruck loads of money while making those NOT approved by his ‘holiness’ live in caves and fear of the light-bulb police.
(Drat ‘…unshakable BELIEF…’ not ‘believe…’ my kingdom for an edit… (Well, I don’t have a kingdom, I’ll loan you two cats and a dog for the weekend…)
“The conference is hardly a waste of time for those getting a vacation at taxpayer expense”
It would be interesting to know how many attended on tax-payer funds, but didn’t attend ANY or VERY FEW of the seminars. I bet there were lots !!!
Darn holiday scavengers.
I would not read too much into the BS coming from Greenpeace , WWF and the other environmental lobby groups concerning Rio +20. I think their comments about it being a disaster are a smoke screen. They know all the little steps ( many of them ) they want are being taken. Note, that the sessions are only open to Government people and tame MSM journalists –what have they got to hide ?? The scam and push for more control continues.
But I will say it is significant that President Obama is not in attendance. Maybe it has something to with a small thing called an election coming up.
I read this tonight in the Vancouver Province news paper over dinner and thought it brilliant.
The guy is exceptional! in such a short article he covers every thing that is malevolent and wrong the global warming agenda driven crowd. Mr Murgatroyd, I had already saved the page glad to see it published here too. Eat your eco Fascist heart out David Suzuki, you’re a blight on the Vancouver landscape.
The Edmonton Journal had a cute cartoon on Rio+20 today. See it at http://www.edmontonjournal.com/opinion/editorial-cartoons/6824407.bin?size=620×400
Maybe one of the diseases they do not want to fund happens to be all over the conference. Funding would appear quickly? Or simply Montezuma’s Revenge for everybody.
jones says:
June 22, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Indeed, I do, but not in the vein you imagine. First, the earth was never flat, and it was never the center of the universe. By the same token, “Anthropogenic” isn’t going to cause any catastrophic “tipping point” because the earth has already been there; done that; and it didn’t “take”.
Just as long-forgotten men that were once well-meaning but essentially clueless (as in beholden to church dogma), today’s scare-mongering by the “chosen few” are clueless for the same reason–their cultish devotion is being thwarted as people are waking up.
Finally!
Let’s see… Al Gore’s personal OIL FORTUNE comes from Occidental Oil, which specializes in OIL, and in ALTERNATE OIL SOURCES, and ALTERNATE ENERGY…. duh.
Can’t see much point in armchair psychoanalysis. The Warmers try to attribute non-rational motives to sceptics. “They don’t want to change their way of living,” etc.) Sceptics return the favour. (“Delusional”)
Where does it get anyone?
At 10:51 PM on 22 June, RoHa had written:
Where does diagnosis get anyone?
Most people unfamiliar with the practice of medicine fail to understand the importance of listening and directed interrogation – simply securing a history of the pathology from the patient and/or caregivers – in every clinical case. This is the “S” in the “SOAP” process (“Subjective, Objective, Analysis, Plan”) whereby a medical professional moves from the patient’s presentation toward getting appropriate treatment started.
So, yeah, undertaking “armchair psychoanalysis” of characteristics broadly and consistently manifest among las warmistas is very much a useful and valuable approach to defining what are reliably manifested patterns of behavior.
Rational cupidity virtually indistinguishable from criminal mens rea accounts for some of these Watermelon whack-offs. Take, f’rinstance, those “scientists” whose professional careers (particularly access to those four billion dollars a year in taxpayer-mulcted government “research” grants lately being shoveled out by politicians in these United States alone) depend upon yammering their support of this preposterous bogosity. It cannot generally be said that these credentialed charlatans lack proximal knowledge of the evidence which disproves their CAGW premises; after all, they strive with exquisite care to duplicitously dismiss or evade it.
However, the greatest number of the True Believers in AGW have little or no pecuniary interest in perpetrating this fraud, and are in fact themselves damaged by the political machinations grinding away on the ostensible basis thereof.
Those warmistas who act politically to do injury to themselves or others on the basis of delusions which do not cohere with easily appreciable objective reality – even if the manifestation of their irrationality conforms with patterns of belief seen commonly among explicitly religious whackjobs, such as those Christian fundamentalists who deny medical care to their children resulting in avoidable morbidity and mortality – have to be considered so deviant from the standards of sanity within the normal range of response that there’s really no other way to regard them without applying the analytical methods of psychopathology.
Careful observation of what las warmistas say and how they behave provides information about them which the honest investigator must collect, verify, and take into account in assessing the malignancy of the Watermelon movement as regards the political pathology of the “man-made global climate change” insanity so that remediation can be undertaken.
These phenomena exist. Failure to acknowledge their existence is malpractitionate.
Rocky, thank you for that.
My wording was sloppy…Of course the world was never flat etc….I should have said ‘believed to be/deemed……
The problem is that Gore, Prince Charles, Branson et al are NOT scientists or engineers. They might THINK they can have a say in the argument because they FEEL that if you burn something then surely it is gonna poison the air and make the planet warmer. They also cannot accept that someone, (especially someone who offends their feelings of concern for the planet) can be better equipped and speak a clever language to defend the offending point of view. So here comes the denial of science, and the skeptical point of view. Instead they seek out witch “scientists” who would prove ANYTHING using pseudo-science and scientific looking language.
De Bono who coined the “lateral thinking” term also came up with the idea of “intelligence trap”, i.e. those capable of defending their point of view, regardless if they are right or wrong, do so, because it makes them feel good, and right. One may have enough intelligence to defend one’s point of view, even against own doubt, but not enough brains to understand that it is a wrong point of view, or that defending it is pure idiocy.
I am sure that there is plenty of other psychological theory that can explain enthusiastic idiots, and it would be great to read a professional view. So many times I have been astonished that people dead cert about things, even despite in-your-face evidence against.
IMHO
Dunning Krueger Strikes
http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/05/revisiting-why-incompetents-think-theyre-awesome/
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolved-primate/201006/when-ignorance-begets-confidence-the-classic-dunning-kruger-effect
Belief that nature is an order in delicate balance.
Belief that ecosystems are bigger than humans, therefore more important than humans.
Belief that harmony and fairness can be imposed top down.
Belief that we can understand complex systems.
The last one is particularly vexing. All the smart kids these days know that we can’t predict complex systems, therefore the only way to live is to ride the wave of novelty and chaos and uncertainty – to be flexible and go with the flow, to adapt, be nimble, be light, build institutions that can provide value and adapt quickly.
The environmental movement is so 18th century.
Lets see a few day in June spent at the tax payers expense , living 5 start hotels in Rion and eating in some very good restaurants for a minimal amount of work which has the square root of nothing in value and therefore for which you can’t be judged .
You know from one point of view that is not a ‘waste ‘ but a good and easy time with someone else picking up the bill.
Big problem with Prince Charles- eyes too close together.
Projection.
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-06/battle-over-climate-change
I am brazilian (I live in the south, 1000km away from Rio) and I loved this Riominus20 thing. Why? Because of it for the first time the brazilian mainstream media is questioning the AGW. Brazilian skeptics cientists are getting some much space on the media on these days I am happy about it. Thanks for that Riominus20.
Smokey says:
June 22, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Since we are invited to add examples pertaining to the mind-set of these folks, here’s an interesting one on Prince Charles:
That’s cheating. Anyone can find a stupid statement from an idiot. Try finding one from someone intelligent ;))
Aw, heck. Why not remark today’s Dilbert cartoon?
See http://www.dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/100000/60000/2000/300/162394/162394.strip.gif
From http://eadavison.com/
8. EVIDENCE UNNECESSARY, HYSTERIA ESSENTIAL
A century’s worth of screaming headlines from the world’s leading news media illustrates their preference for excitement over accuracy:
ICE 1895, New York Times
Geologists Think the World May be Frozen Up Again.
FIRE 1922, Associated Press
…the Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the waters too hot.
ICE 1923, Chicago Tribune
Scientist Says Arctic Ice Will Wipe Out Canada.
FIRE 1930, New York Times Alpine glaciers are in full retreat.
ICE 1974, New York Times
And unless government officials reacted to the coming [cooling] catastrophe, “mass deaths by starvation and probably in anarchy and violence” would result.
FIRE 2009, Time Magazine (Entire issue on AGW) Be Worried, Be Very Worried.
Global warming, even most skeptics have concluded, is the real deal, and human activity has been causing it.
Of course…
IPCC forecasts possible small temperature rise by 2100
… would scarcely make an inside page.
Yes, one does need to be careful. Since the universe seems to measure 13.5 billion light years from our galaxy in all directions… we seem to be at the actual center of the universe. However, the delusion of a flat earth seems to make your point. My point is that unless one stays current on new measurements… we all carry outdated or erroneous myths around with us all the time.
Reality is hidden behind a cloud of misinformation, and it is up to the individual to try and discern it. There is no bigger cloud than climate science. Mass conformity is our real problem. GK