Finally, an explanation for the mindsets of our favorite green doomsayers: Al Gore, Prince Charles, Jim Hansen, Bill McKibben, David Roberts, and Joe Romm

Delusion is a big problem with the green crowd

By Stephen Murgatroyd, Troy Media

The draft text for discussion at Rio +20 – the UN conference on sustainable development – makes clear that the summit itself is a waste of energy and time. Even the environmental non-government organizations attending it think so.

Jim Leape, international director-general of World Wildlife Fund, hoped that the document would be renegotiated: “It’s pathetic. It’s appalling. If this becomes the final text the last year has been a colossal waste of time.” Friends of the Earth are even stronger in their disapproval, calling the plans “an epic failure.”

None of this surprises anyone. A process by which representatives from 193 countries have to agree on every word, comma and full stop over several months of discussion is not likely to produce much of anything. Yet expectations are always high, especially when thousands of people are attending Rio +20 in the hope of transformative change coming from such a meeting.

Delusion takes many forms. But the core symptoms of delusion are clear for the green movement.

Here is a list

1) PERSISTENT BELIEF THAT SOME-THING SERIOUS IS HAPPENING.

This has occurred over the last five decades as we have moved through the threat of the ice age, global warming, climate change, climate disaster, man-made natural disaster (another delusion) and the threat of sea-level rise flooding coastal cities around the world.

Full story: http://www.theprovince.com/technology/Delusion+problem+with+green+crowd/6823927/story.html#ixzz1yYjOzVlX

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Some recent examples:

(to be added – this post was published prematurely, accidentally hitting the publish button rather than the save button – readers are welcome to add examples to complete this story. Apologies – Anthony)

UPDATE: Here are recent examples provided by commenters, the one from Skiphill on David Roberts is one I had planned to use.

Skiphil says:

the author’s 1) to 6) are all much in evidence in the recent babblings of Dave Roberts of Grist.com to a TEDx event:

http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2012/6/19/dave-roberts-at-ted.html

The ravings about 6C or more increase in global temps as guaranteed by the “science” is one of the many delusional aspects of this guy’s outlook.

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Smokey says:

Since we are invited to add examples pertaining to the mind-set of these folks, here’s an interesting one on Prince Charles:

http://www.expressindia.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=44686

 

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2) UNSHAKEABLE BELIEF IN AN AMAZING SERIES OF COINCIDENCES
such as “It’s not possible to find the remaining $700M that would cancel malaria from the planet, yet it’s realistic to think in a few years hundreds of billions of dollars will exchange hands going from rich to poor countries to lower CO2 emissions and to protect the poor from AGW’s nastier side” and “Having been faithful recorders of temperature variations for hundreds of years, suddenly tree rings start showing the “divergence problem” during the past 50 years
Full story: http://omnologos.com/why-agw-is-logically-impossible/

Excellent article. I love how the Vancouver Sun and The Province (another Vancouver mainstream rag) are leading the fight for sanity finally!!! It’s very refreshing to see journalists get it right on just about all the points finally. The tide has turned when the Main Stream Media finally get where the con job is.
Some of you might have seen this before but it’s such an awesome weather web site that I’m posting it yet again. Note that it provides forecasts from three or four different weather services. Nice. (Four in the USA, Three in Canada).
http://weatherspark.com/#!dashboard;a=Canada/BC/Vancouver

Skiphil

I do think it’s odd to cite WWF and FoE for why the Rio+20 is a waste of time, though. The Greenie NGOs are frustrated because they want radical statements and concerted actions, whereas to “us” (presumably) it’s a waste of time and resources because they shouldn’t even be trying to do a lot of the stuff they are trying to push through with bad politicized “science”…..
So maybe this is just a quibble, but I don’t see the point in citing WWF and FoE to explain why Rio+20 is such a waste — their idea of a useful outcome would be the opposite of “our” idea of a useful outcome.

ferdberple

pwl says:
June 22, 2012 at 3:50 pm
I love how the Vancouver Sun and The Province (another Vancouver mainstream rag) are leading the fight for sanity finally!!!
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Vancouver is celebrating Junuary – probably plays a role.

Curiousgeorge

Hoorah! Maybe the light has dawned, and these weasels will return to their dens. The world has some real problems to deal with that have nothing to do with “sustainability”, etc.

scarletmacaw

The conference is hardly a waste of time for those getting a vacation at taxpayer expense.

Ally E.

It’s easy to hit the wrong button Anthony, who hasn’t? This is a great bit of news all the same and I look forward to reading more details. 🙂

Skiphil

the author’s 1) to 6) are all much in evidence in the recent babblings of Dave Roberts of Grist.com to a TEDx event:
http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2012/6/19/dave-roberts-at-ted.html
The ravings about 6C or more increase in global temps as guaranteed by the “science” is one of the many delusional aspects of this guy’s outlook.

jones

One has to be cautious with the term ‘delusion’…..for example, if you believe that you are a saviour or prophet and a million people agree with you then the term may well become redundant.
After all, wasn’t the earth flat once? Or at the centre of the Universe?.
Does anyone see what I’m driving at?

Unfortunately, the academics, activists, politicians and bureaucrats leading the push for carbon dioxide taxation and use of renewable energy are non-producers who are woefully ignorant of both the economic reality of productive activity and the practical limits of technology. They are techno-economic-illiterates with a cargo cult understanding of production. Their prescriptions amount to a ritualistic belief that admitting sin (GW) and making an appropriate sacrifice (carbon dioxide taxes) will in some undefined (magical) way bring forth all the right changes, discoveries and implementations that are needed to effect a bright new world of clean endlessly renewable energy with minimal inconvenience to anyone… ~Walter Starck

Heaven’s to Murgatroyd. That was a good article The Author is a shrink. Nails Warmists well.

Since we are invited to add examples pertaining to the mind-set of these folks, here’s an interesting one on Prince Charles:
http://www.expressindia.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=44686

jorgekafkazar

“(to be added – this post was published prematurely, accidentally hitting the publish button rather than the save button – readers are welcome to add examples to complete this story. Apologies – Anthony)”
I’m sure glad I

eyesonu

Anthony, I love your adaptation to the resolution of a misstep. This will likely be a lively thread.

jorgekafkazar

never do that.

WTF

Forgot David Suzuki from the list.

timg56

Smokey,
The last one was classic.

Curiousgeorge

A pertinent example:
Obama and progressives/socialists/democrats, etc. believe that: “Tax and spend is the right way to run a economy/country”.
Anyone else actually believe this? Anyone?

TerryS

2) A belief that all ecosystems are fragile and will collapse with the slightest change
This is despite living on planet that suffers from earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, fire, flood, tsunamis, drought, extremes of temperature, acidity and alkalinity and much much more. Yet everywhere they look they find thriving ecosystems.
I have yet to see an ecosystem described as robust.

Athelstan.

It is true, delusion and coupled with groupthink, have caused some godawful unnecessary and very man made disasters.
In this delusion, mankind has a perculiar propensity for self loathing and fear of their fellow human beings. Greens, eco-fascists and watermelons manifest this morbidity via, a near pathological mania. In an attempt, to rewrite a ‘new way’ and thus realign, or mostly call a halt to: the great technological advances, that, collectively: we have made as homo sapiens.
Indeed we have come a long way. From crude hunter gatherers, then farmers, through to the industrial revolution and hence the miracles of modern science, that have done so much to transform and extend the lives of human beings across the planet.
In their pathological antiscience ‘crusade’, the greens have been responsible for thousands, if not millions of deaths by stymying and preventing men and women, in some of the poorest nations on this planet from benefiting from the great technological strides we have made.
JD, knows it and so too, do I.

Gunga Din

Skiphil says:
June 22, 2012 at 3:56 pm
I do think it’s odd to cite WWF and FoE for why the Rio+20 is a waste of time, though. The Greenie NGOs are frustrated because they want radical statements and concerted actions, whereas to “us” (presumably) it’s a waste of time and resources because they shouldn’t even be trying to do a lot of the stuff they are trying to push through with bad politicized “science”…..
So maybe this is just a quibble, but I don’t see the point in citing WWF and FoE to explain why Rio+20 is such a waste — their idea of a useful outcome would be the opposite of “our” idea of a useful outcome.
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Since the IPCC is now officially accepting greenish-grey information maybe they’ll scrap their whole agenda?

Athelstan.

Why are we arguing about non existent figments, imagined by evil men with the lust of money in their eyes?
There are plenty of real disasters just ‘aching’ to happen.
We should be worried about – a small corner in Wyomong is one and under the ice on the mid Atlantic ridge Myrdalsjokull and a ‘mountain’ overlooking Naples bay.
Prediction of Terrestrial disasters: that’s what we should be spending money on.

Latitude

Who would have ever thought you could make so much money….
…on 1/2 a degree

Marian

Why is it that some of those Doomsayers. Have very privileged and self-indulgent backgrounds compared to the average Joe and Jane. And yet they want us to sacrifice our living standards to save Gaia. How about some of those guys downsize their mansions and cut back on their luxurious lifestyles first. Since they’re really the bigger consumers of energy and socalled ‘unsustainable’ resources.
It might help too if they didn’t jetset around the World too often aswell.
Mind you sipping champagne on a beach in Rio attending the Rio+20 talkfest must have been a nice sojourn for some of them. 🙂

Marlow Metcalf

Next article needs to be from a neurological scientist specializing in psychological neural-chemical addiction and how dependence on the natural occurring reward neurotransmitters makes personnel change difficult.
The article might go something like this.
We have free will but not as much as we think.
If we are involved with something that makes us feel superior, powerful, gives us purpose, validates our existence, belong to a passionate support group, this causes several of the feel good reward chemicals to flood our brain. Add some adrenaline to supercharge the mix and you may as well be shooting heroin and you don’t want a cure. The mere mention of a cure would be extremely threatening and must be resisted with extreme prejudiced.

Jimbo

Sustainable development!!! How about some sustainable conferences? Teleconferencing anyone? These people don’t believe a word that comes from their own mouths. Gore new villa with 6 fire places. Prince Charles………………..I’ll leave it up to you good people to find out how he lives, how many cars, rooms, co2 output and so on……………it’s quite shocking.

Tucci78

Would it hurt to just quote the sequence 2) through 7) of Dr. Murgatroyd’s core symptoms list here, along with the remainder of his essay?

2) DISORGANIZED SPEECH.
Just listen to Al Gore. While eloquent, he is also disorganized, confused, will not answer questions from audience members unless the question and the audience member has been vetted beforehand and will not respond to skeptical concerns.
3) FEELING THREATENED.
Warmists are threatened by evidence that their theory of CO2 causing warming is mistaken. So, to protect their delusion, they adjust the data and increasingly rely on made-up evidence, also known as computer models, to justify their delusional beliefs.
4) GRANDIOSE BELIEFS.
Many in the environmental movement believe that they are the keepers of truth and wisdom – a major delusion. They can’t accept that other views or evidence may suggest alternative understanding of either environmental issues or climate change. For example, the idea that the pursuit of profit is a way to end poverty and take care of the environment is something that they reject, despite evidence that this is how poverty reduction has occurred on an unprecedented scale over the last 50 years.
5) MANIPULATION OF FACTS
Global temperatures are within normal ranges and haven’t risen dramatically for over a decade, yet the delusionists are persuaded that global warming is occurring. One reason for this is the manipulation (technical “adjustment”) of the evidence and the other is the use of fantasy (also known as computer-model) data.
When evidence is provided from actual observations of natural events, the delusionists will have an explanation.
6) THE USE OF THE BOGEYMAN.
Whenever skeptical voices are raised about their delusion, delusionists will make use of the “bogey-man” – big oil, the “fossil-fuel industry” – to try and discredit their adversaries. The fact that their delusions are also supported by “big oil” never occurs to them as a problem.
7) SAFETY IN NUMBERS.
There are literally thousands who believe that the moon landings were fabricated. Others are taking the view that homoeopathy is based on evidence and is an effective treatment for a range of illnesses, despite repeated demonstrations of its ineffectiveness and non-scientific base. A large number of people believe that Jesus visited the Americas (it is actually a Mormon belief). So the warmist delusionists meet frequently to reinforce their beliefs. Just because hundreds of people believe something doesn’t make it true.
The key to delusion, from a psychological point of view, is that the person actually understands that their delusional beliefs are not true, but persists any way. Here is the clinical definition:
“Non-bizarre delusions typically are beliefs of something occur-ring in a person’s life which is not out of the realm of possibility. For example, the person may believe their significant other is cheating on them, that someone close to them is about to die, a friend is really a government agent, etc. All of these situations could be true or possible, but the person suffering from this disorder knows them not to be (e.g., through fact-checking, third-person confirmation, etc).”
No one in their right mind expected Rio +20 to be a breakthrough for the planet, yet 50,000 will attend, including world leaders. No one in their right mind thinks that climate change will kill millions, yet many behave as if this is inevitable. No one in their right mind thinks that failure at Rio +20 will mean the end of these kinds of gatherings, although we can always hope.
The fact that many will not have their aspirations met in Rio +20 doesn’t undermine the support Rio +20 will provide for delusion-al thinking.

Marian

Jimbo says:
“June 22, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Sustainable development!!! How about some sustainable conferences? Teleconferencing anyone? These people don’t believe a word that comes from their own mouths. Gore new villa with 6 fire places. Prince Charles………………..I’ll leave it up to you good people to find out how he lives, how many cars, rooms, co2 output and so on……………it’s quite shocking.”
Yes Jimbo.
It’s quite shocking.
Problem with teleconferencing. It’s not like all being in one room together having a nice party talking hot air and drinking champagne along with caviar and pinching a waitress/hostess’s behind. 😉
As for 6 fireplaces. Well a few thousand phony carbon credits offset that.

The unshakable believe that the world’s governments should be kowtowing and handing the Al Gores of the world dumptruck loads of money while making those NOT approved by his ‘holiness’ live in caves and fear of the light-bulb police.

(Drat ‘…unshakable BELIEF…’ not ‘believe…’ my kingdom for an edit… (Well, I don’t have a kingdom, I’ll loan you two cats and a dog for the weekend…)

AndyG55

“The conference is hardly a waste of time for those getting a vacation at taxpayer expense”
It would be interesting to know how many attended on tax-payer funds, but didn’t attend ANY or VERY FEW of the seminars. I bet there were lots !!!
Darn holiday scavengers.

RossP

I would not read too much into the BS coming from Greenpeace , WWF and the other environmental lobby groups concerning Rio +20. I think their comments about it being a disaster are a smoke screen. They know all the little steps ( many of them ) they want are being taken. Note, that the sessions are only open to Government people and tame MSM journalists –what have they got to hide ?? The scam and push for more control continues.
But I will say it is significant that President Obama is not in attendance. Maybe it has something to with a small thing called an election coming up.

Ted

I read this tonight in the Vancouver Province news paper over dinner and thought it brilliant.
The guy is exceptional! in such a short article he covers every thing that is malevolent and wrong the global warming agenda driven crowd. Mr Murgatroyd, I had already saved the page glad to see it published here too. Eat your eco Fascist heart out David Suzuki, you’re a blight on the Vancouver landscape.

Werner Brozek

The Edmonton Journal had a cute cartoon on Rio+20 today. See it at http://www.edmontonjournal.com/opinion/editorial-cartoons/6824407.bin?size=620×400

Maybe one of the diseases they do not want to fund happens to be all over the conference. Funding would appear quickly? Or simply Montezuma’s Revenge for everybody.

RockyRoad

jones says:
June 22, 2012 at 4:14 pm

One has to be cautious with the term ‘delusion’…..for example, if you believe that you are a saviour or prophet and a million people agree with you then the term may well become redundant.
After all, wasn’t the earth flat once? Or at the centre of the Universe?.
Does anyone see what I’m driving at?

Indeed, I do, but not in the vein you imagine. First, the earth was never flat, and it was never the center of the universe. By the same token, “Anthropogenic” isn’t going to cause any catastrophic “tipping point” because the earth has already been there; done that; and it didn’t “take”.
Just as long-forgotten men that were once well-meaning but essentially clueless (as in beholden to church dogma), today’s scare-mongering by the “chosen few” are clueless for the same reason–their cultish devotion is being thwarted as people are waking up.
Finally!

I Am Digitap

Let’s see… Al Gore’s personal OIL FORTUNE comes from Occidental Oil, which specializes in OIL, and in ALTERNATE OIL SOURCES, and ALTERNATE ENERGY…. duh.

RoHa

Can’t see much point in armchair psychoanalysis. The Warmers try to attribute non-rational motives to sceptics. “They don’t want to change their way of living,” etc.) Sceptics return the favour. (“Delusional”)
Where does it get anyone?

Tucci78

At 10:51 PM on 22 June, RoHa had written:

Can’t see much point in armchair psychoanalysis. The Warmers try to attribute non-rational motives to sceptics. “They don’t want to change their way of living,” etc.) Sceptics return the favour. (“Delusional”)
Where does it get anyone?

Where does diagnosis get anyone?
Most people unfamiliar with the practice of medicine fail to understand the importance of listening and directed interrogation – simply securing a history of the pathology from the patient and/or caregivers – in every clinical case. This is the “S” in the “SOAP” process (“Subjective, Objective, Analysis, Plan”) whereby a medical professional moves from the patient’s presentation toward getting appropriate treatment started.
So, yeah, undertaking “armchair psychoanalysis” of characteristics broadly and consistently manifest among las warmistas is very much a useful and valuable approach to defining what are reliably manifested patterns of behavior.
Rational cupidity virtually indistinguishable from criminal mens rea accounts for some of these Watermelon whack-offs. Take, f’rinstance, those “scientists” whose professional careers (particularly access to those four billion dollars a year in taxpayer-mulcted government “research” grants lately being shoveled out by politicians in these United States alone) depend upon yammering their support of this preposterous bogosity. It cannot generally be said that these credentialed charlatans lack proximal knowledge of the evidence which disproves their CAGW premises; after all, they strive with exquisite care to duplicitously dismiss or evade it.
However, the greatest number of the True Believers in AGW have little or no pecuniary interest in perpetrating this fraud, and are in fact themselves damaged by the political machinations grinding away on the ostensible basis thereof.
Those warmistas who act politically to do injury to themselves or others on the basis of delusions which do not cohere with easily appreciable objective reality – even if the manifestation of their irrationality conforms with patterns of belief seen commonly among explicitly religious whackjobs, such as those Christian fundamentalists who deny medical care to their children resulting in avoidable morbidity and mortality – have to be considered so deviant from the standards of sanity within the normal range of response that there’s really no other way to regard them without applying the analytical methods of psychopathology.
Careful observation of what las warmistas say and how they behave provides information about them which the honest investigator must collect, verify, and take into account in assessing the malignancy of the Watermelon movement as regards the political pathology of the “man-made global climate change” insanity so that remediation can be undertaken.
These phenomena exist. Failure to acknowledge their existence is malpractitionate.

jones

Rocky, thank you for that.
My wording was sloppy…Of course the world was never flat etc….I should have said ‘believed to be/deemed……

Garry Stotel

The problem is that Gore, Prince Charles, Branson et al are NOT scientists or engineers. They might THINK they can have a say in the argument because they FEEL that if you burn something then surely it is gonna poison the air and make the planet warmer. They also cannot accept that someone, (especially someone who offends their feelings of concern for the planet) can be better equipped and speak a clever language to defend the offending point of view. So here comes the denial of science, and the skeptical point of view. Instead they seek out witch “scientists” who would prove ANYTHING using pseudo-science and scientific looking language.
De Bono who coined the “lateral thinking” term also came up with the idea of “intelligence trap”, i.e. those capable of defending their point of view, regardless if they are right or wrong, do so, because it makes them feel good, and right. One may have enough intelligence to defend one’s point of view, even against own doubt, but not enough brains to understand that it is a wrong point of view, or that defending it is pure idiocy.
I am sure that there is plenty of other psychological theory that can explain enthusiastic idiots, and it would be great to read a professional view. So many times I have been astonished that people dead cert about things, even despite in-your-face evidence against.
IMHO

Stefan

Belief that nature is an order in delicate balance.
Belief that ecosystems are bigger than humans, therefore more important than humans.
Belief that harmony and fairness can be imposed top down.
Belief that we can understand complex systems.
The last one is particularly vexing. All the smart kids these days know that we can’t predict complex systems, therefore the only way to live is to ride the wave of novelty and chaos and uncertainty – to be flexible and go with the flow, to adapt, be nimble, be light, build institutions that can provide value and adapt quickly.
The environmental movement is so 18th century.

KnR

Lets see a few day in June spent at the tax payers expense , living 5 start hotels in Rion and eating in some very good restaurants for a minimal amount of work which has the square root of nothing in value and therefore for which you can’t be judged .
You know from one point of view that is not a ‘waste ‘ but a good and easy time with someone else picking up the bill.

Big problem with Prince Charles- eyes too close together.

Chuckles
DB

I am brazilian (I live in the south, 1000km away from Rio) and I loved this Riominus20 thing. Why? Because of it for the first time the brazilian mainstream media is questioning the AGW. Brazilian skeptics cientists are getting some much space on the media on these days I am happy about it. Thanks for that Riominus20.

Stephen Richards

Smokey says:
June 22, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Since we are invited to add examples pertaining to the mind-set of these folks, here’s an interesting one on Prince Charles:
That’s cheating. Anyone can find a stupid statement from an idiot. Try finding one from someone intelligent ;))

Tucci78

From http://eadavison.com/
8. EVIDENCE UNNECESSARY, HYSTERIA ESSENTIAL
A century’s worth of screaming headlines from the world’s leading news media illustrates their preference for excitement over accuracy:
ICE 1895, New York Times
Geologists Think the World May be Frozen Up Again.
FIRE 1922, Associated Press
…the Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the waters too hot.
ICE 1923, Chicago Tribune
Scientist Says Arctic Ice Will Wipe Out Canada.
FIRE 1930, New York Times Alpine glaciers are in full retreat.
ICE 1974, New York Times
And unless government officials reacted to the coming [cooling] catastrophe, “mass deaths by starvation and probably in anarchy and violence” would result.
FIRE 2009, Time Magazine (Entire issue on AGW) Be Worried, Be Very Worried.
Global warming, even most skeptics have concluded, is the real deal, and human activity has been causing it.
Of course…
IPCC forecasts possible small temperature rise by 2100
… would scarcely make an inside page.

G. Karst

jones says:
June 22, 2012 at 4:14 pm
One has to be cautious with the term ‘delusion’…..for example, if you believe that you are a saviour or prophet and a million people agree with you then the term may well become redundant.
After all, wasn’t the earth flat once? Or at the centre of the Universe?.
Does anyone see what I’m driving at?

Yes, one does need to be careful. Since the universe seems to measure 13.5 billion light years from our galaxy in all directions… we seem to be at the actual center of the universe. However, the delusion of a flat earth seems to make your point. My point is that unless one stays current on new measurements… we all carry outdated or erroneous myths around with us all the time.
Reality is hidden behind a cloud of misinformation, and it is up to the individual to try and discern it. There is no bigger cloud than climate science. Mass conformity is our real problem. GK