Wow, just wow. “He said:
“We are going to get climate chaos. Are we going to have geological havoc added to it? Climate change is already driving more earthquakes and giant landslides in some parts of the world.”
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What can you say when somebody goes off the rails like this?
h/t to Barry Woods
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Ice at room temperature is relatively soft, but meet the real stuff up here in Canada, and discover how hard it really is – like granit.
I think climate change is causing increased numbers of bats in belfries (sigh).
Warmist are just plain nuts or too much bath salts in their cool aid!
Anthony Watts asked: “What can you say when somebody goes off the rails like this?”
You could give some arguments, why you think it is impossible that global warming may cause earthquakes and landslides…..
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Here are a few links I have bookmarked:
General discussion on Earthquakes and Plate Tectonics: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learn/topics/plate_tectonics/rift_man.php
@ur momisugly WUWT
Fundamental questions on Isostasy and Mean Sea-Level
Why, yes, linking climate change to Earthquakes, Tsunamis, and Volcanoes DOES seem “to be bordering on the insane”
From Tallbloke’s Talkshop
M.A. Vukcevic: Earthquakes and Geomagnetic Storms
And the reason why we are laughing.
Glacial isostatic rebound
In other words even with the FAST melting of several kilometer thick ice sheets when the earth entered the Holocene interglacial, the earth has taken over 20,000 years to rebound and is STILL doing so. Removing the puny glaciers that are still left is really not going to have much of an additional effect on the tectonic plates. Just compare it to the effect of half the northern hemisphere under ice and then melting.
The Sun and volcanoes (& earthquakes)
Unencumbered by the thought process, government bureaucrats making there living from the misery of mankind.
Sigh, this is an adviser to the government of a major power. The man is bat-(self-snip) crazy. His analysis is about 12,000 years too late. The global warming that rather suddenly (on geologic time anyway) melted the miles thick continental glaciers at the beginning of the Holocene certainly led to earthquakes from the rebound of all that weight being removed. As we no longer have miles thick continental glaciers (except on Antarctica) there is no mechanism to cause these phantom earthquakes. I am afraid that the current bout of earthquakes are just of the plain old plate-tectonic and mantle convection variety the Earth has experienced throughout time. The connection to CAGW is unproven and unprovable (maybe we’ve upset Gaea and must sacrifice a pure believer to pacify her). I would worry more about one of the sleeping super-volcanoes like Yellowstone exploding than anything from the temperature rebounds from the little ice age.
From Richard Nelson on June 5, 2012 at 2:35 pm:
All the ice cube trays I’ve used must be defective. The ice cracks while getting colder. Likewise the steel I’ve encountered must all be defective, it gets brittle and can crack when cooled to very low temperatures, even shatter. When hardening heat treatable steel, it can also crack and shatter during hardening when cooling off, aka quenching. When I heat steel it gets soft, sometimes melts, doesn’t crack.
So where can I get ice cube trays and steel that conforms to Mr. Nelson’s expectations?
littlepeaks says:
June 5, 2012 at 7:01 pm
I think climate change is causing increased numbers of bats in belfries (sigh).
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Don’t insult bats. They are much more useful than politicians.
Do you think we could get the Wizard of COz to turn about 80% of the world’s politicians/bureaucrats into real bats and save us from the present idiocy as well as malaria carrying mosquitos?
From Gail Combs on June 5, 2012 at 7:52 pm:
This can be a bad time to be a bat, mainly in the North Eastern part of North America, with White-nose syndrome spreading and many bats sickened and killed, with estimates of more than a million dead so far.
Although it is arguable which is worse, bats with white-nose syndrome or politicians/bureaucrats with brown-nose syndrome.
Pretty soon we’ll find that climate change caused the Big Bang.
Incredible reach. Ok,two can play the philosopher lottery.
I’ll go with Plato’s 1st part of the legend of Atlantis, as told by the Egyptian wise man Sais to Solon.
The way it was told back then, great calamnities were part of natural cycles.
So this new theory needs some sort of basis. Sais said Egypt’s was from antiquity passed down, what does the AGW causes Seismic draw on?
Mick J says:
June 5, 2012 at 5:07 pm
The Geoffrey Lean article mentioning McKibben has been mentioned above. Here is the intro and link. A few examples they Lean may have missed are included in the comments. 🙂
” ‘Where are the books? The poems? The plays? The goddamn operas?’ So asked Bill McKibben, author and environmental campaigner, venting frustration at the cultural failure to address climate change.”
Dunno what The Artsy Set™ has in the works for plays and opera (“The Barber of Yamal”? “CO2si fan tutti”?), but a lot of WUWT commenters regularly invoke Calliope and mug CAGW topics with their poetry– uhhhh –doggerel…
The fact that The Daily Telegraph employs this swivel-eyed old ecoloon Geoffrey Lean to frequently ‘report’ on this bilgewater is a stain on its reputation. I wonder if James Delingpole is ever going to school this odious little twerp.
And Bill McGuire is a rotten disgrace, BTW – propagating his mythical CAGW nonsense in a remorseless act of self-promotion at none other than The Hay Festival, the largest and most fervent hot-bed of tofu-scoffing, sandal-wearing, hairy-armpit cheese-mongers in the whole of Christendom. I bet they sucked it right in.
}:o(
eyesonu says: I am beginning to wonder if there is some kind of new recreational drug that these clowns have gotten connected with. Bath soaps? Mann’s hot sauce? Orange sunshine or purple microdot never caused this kind of behavior.
AGW alarmism is so potentially destructive, I often think our civilization will fall like Ancient Rome, where the water system was made of lead, resulting in insane emperors and infertile citizens.
In our modern times, I’ve been wondering for some time if there isn’t something similar in the air or water, something causing academics to join The AGW Faith. In the UK, I’ve suspected it might be the result of German use of mutagenic compounds in WWI poison gas attacks, which slowly reduced the IQ of Parliament to the point where 463 MPs voted for the Climate Change Act, and only three opposed it.
Then I sometimes suspect that universities around the world spray some sort of brain-killing insecticide on the ivy which infests their buildings.
Or maybe it’s just greed.
I have just read this drivel in this mornings Telegraph. My interpretation is that it smacks of desperation to get on the gravy train while it is still moving. As the AGW hypothesis continues to flounder in the collective minds of the general public, more and more certifiable fools will come out of the woodwork asking us to believe even more ridiculous statements.
I saw a Discovery Channel broadcast, that reported research based on SO2 residual in ice cores from the Antarctic. Apparently, the rate of significant volcanic eruptions on the earth has tripled in the past two thousand years or so.
While that’s interesting (and could be scary for people of the *next* millennium if eruption rates continue to rise over that time), it’s not related to the rate of man-made CO2 in the atmosphere.
Unfortunately, humans are easy to scare and manipulate. Here’s to hoping more people think for themselves and see through the climatemongering.
The suggestion that earthquakes, landslides, volcano erruptions etc are caused by global warming or will become more frequent as a result of global warming is so stupid, it does not call for comment from any sentient being.
It is worrying that people who hold such a view have a role in governments. It is no wonder the world is in such a mess (politically and economically speaking) when people with that intelectual capacity make decisions or influence decision making. God help us.
It is reading sites like WUWT that raises my perceptions of global events. That Is why I read here every day. Every day something interesting/new. Thank you Anthony. Now back to earthquakes. Is the media reporting more? Why is the magnetic north pole moving so rapidly? The current quiet sun is effecting earth’s magnetic field. Is any of this related? Should we pay attention?
CAGW is a distraction from real world events. A political train crash. Consequences yet to be observed.
Climate Craziness has got me thinking about slight variations to the titles of books, song lyrics, old sayings, etc. This is not the right place for many of them, but a selection follows to give the idea in case you wish to turn it into a separate fun thread in the future.
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THE DOG THAT DID NOT STRIP BARK
Arthur Conan Doyle’s ‘Silver Blaze’.
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STUDENT’S T FOR 2
Shostakovich: Piano Concertos Jazz Suite No. 1; Tahiti Trot (Tea for Two)
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DIAMONDS r^2 FOREVER
Songwriters: Don Barry, John Black, modified.
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BEST WE FORGET
A tribute to the fallen at Berkeley.
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MAD MAXIMUM
1979 film directed by George Miller without the imum, script by James McCausland.
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SORRY, WRONG NUMBER
1948 American suspense film noir directed by Anatole Litvak, adapted from CRU.
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THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE ERROR TERMS.
Full Title: “The Good Earth”. Pearl Buck won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1938.
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THE RED BODGE OF COURAGE
Author: Stephen Crane. Color scheme by Photoshop.
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HIDE THE DECLINE AND FALL
1776-1789. English historian Edward Gibbon, in six volumes, from barely audible to blatant.
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RUDDIGORE
Gilbert & Sullivan (1887); a topsy-turvy take on Victorian melodrama.
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NO CHILDREN, NO GUILT, 10:10
Adapted from Sylvia D Lucas, November 2011.
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DEALING WITH PEER POWER, POP CULTURE, THE WALL OF SILENCE AND OTHER CHALLENGES OF RAISING TODAYS YOUNG CLIMATE SCIENTISTS.
Adapted from Ron Taffel, Melinda Blau, 2002.
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jorgekafkazar:
There are sinister chemicals in the air and water. Next time you see a rainbow, be very, very afraid!
Re your question, Anthony, on Bill McGuire “What can you say when somebody goes off the rails like this?”
Answer, you make him take the next switch and change lines.
McGuire shows incredible confusion of the past and the present, with a very sparse data base. There have always been earthquakes. Sometimes, an earthquake will cause the colloidal process of thixotropy, causing underwater sedimented slopes to go partially liquid and to flow. Very high flow velocities have been calculated from the times of severance of undersea transmission cables. The point is, the onset of the process, be if tiny or huge, can be triggered by small quakes or large, requiring no story to do with climate change. Probably, it has been ever thus at least for milions of years.
What can you say when somebody goes off the rails like this?
If you are the UK government then “would you like a job?” is pretty much par for the course.
kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:
June 5, 2012 at 7:47 pm
From Richard Nelson on June 5, 2012 at 2:35 pm:
When ice heats it cracks like glass. All solids do.
All the ice cube trays I’ve used must be defective. The ice cracks while getting colder.
That’s because you have too much CO2 in your freezer.
Geoff Sherrington,
Love it!
jorgekafkazar,
She must be a joy. She sees rainbows and immediately thinks “pollution”. I fear for her state of mind.
Where is the peer reviewed evidence that shows this? Finally, the Earth has been in a general warming trend since the end of the little ice age in the mid 1800s. What’s the problem?
I sometimes wonder how many of these people have made investments in the carbon markets. 😉
Here is the best rated comment so far on the Telegraph.