From the University of Texas at Austin, an ice shelf as big as New Jersey might collapse, if conditions are right. Tipping points and all that. I suspect this gives notice to the press that we are switching from Manhattans to New Jerseys to measure ice loss in news releases and subsequent news stories. Then it’s on to Maryland, West Virginia, Ohio, Kansas, Texas, and finally Alaska ice loss units.
Scientists discover new site of potential instability in West Antarctic Ice Sheet

Using ice-penetrating radar instruments flown on aircraft, a team of scientists from the U.S. and U.K. have uncovered a previously unknown sub-glacial basin nearly the size of New Jersey beneath the West Antarctic Ice Sheet (WAIS) near the Weddell Sea. The location, shape and texture of the mile-deep basin suggest that this region of the ice sheet is at a greater risk of collapse than previously thought.
Team members at The University of Texas at Austin compared data about the newly discovered basin to data they previously collected from other parts of the WAIS that also appear highly vulnerable, including Pine Island Glacier and Thwaites Glacier. Although the amount of ice stored in the new basin is less than the ice stored in previously studied areas, it might be closer to a tipping point.
“If we were to invent a set of conditions conducive to retreat of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, this would be it,” said Don Blankenship, senior research scientist at The University of Texas at Austin’s Institute for Geophysics and co-author on the new paper. “With its smooth bed that slopes steeply toward the interior, we could find no other region in West Antarctica more poised for change than this newly discovered basin at the head of the Filchner-Ronne Ice Shelf. The only saving grace is that losing the ice over this new basin would only raise sea level by a small percentage of the several meters that would result if the entire West Antarctic Ice Sheet destabilized.”
The study’s co-authors also included Duncan Young, research scientist associate at the Institute for Geophysics.
The study, published this week in the journal Nature Geoscience, was carried out in a collaboration led by the University of Edinburgh with the British Antarctic Survey and the Universities of Aberdeen, Exeter and York, as well as The University of Texas at Austin.
“This is a significant discovery in a region of Antarctica that at present we know little about,” said Professor Martin Siegert of the University of Edinburgh, who led the project. “The area is on the brink of change, but it is impossible to predict what the impact of this change might be without further work enabling better understanding of how the West Antarctic Ice Sheet behaves.”
The seaward edge of the newly discovered basin lies just inland of the ice sheet’s grounding line, where streams of ice flowing toward the sea begin to float.
Two features of the basin, which is entirely below sea level, are particularly worrisome to scientists: First, like a cereal bowl, its edges slope down steeply. If the grounding line begins to retreat upstream, seawater will replace it and more ice will begin to float. The study’s authors predict that this positive feedback mechanism would sustain retreat of the ice sheet until eventually all of the ice filling the basin goes afloat. Second, the bed of the basin on which the ice rests is smooth. There are few big bumps, or “pinning points,” to hold back sliding ice.
The newly discovered basin covers 20,000 square kilometers (7,700 square miles), nearly the size of New Jersey, and is well below sea level, nearly 2 kilometers (about 1.2 miles) deep in places.
In a related paper published simultaneously in the journal Nature, computer models reveal that the Weddell Sea region may experience warmer ocean conditions at the end of the 21st century, which could provide the trigger for ice sheet change.
This person is surely not a native Texan. Anything less than ‘the size of Texas’ is of no consequence in the worldview of a true child of the Lone Star State. 🙂
I look back nostalgically to when things were measured in terms of numbers of Olympic swimming pools (volume) and football fields (area). Those were concepts the ordinary punter could grasp. I’m afraid that it is all getting too mega for the average brain to grapple with.
Yawn!
Let me know when Antarctica breaks free…
And preferably makes a beeline for East Anglia or GISS in New York. Then that will be news, mostly good too.
Using the Rhode Island scale related to eco-logic, California will not plant acrage equivelant to the size of Rhode Island this year because California courts have chosen to protect the Delta Smelt instead. California has failed to provide desalination plants to one of the most productive agricultural areas in the world but will likely leap onto the ice loss bandwagon shortly to cover their butts.
New Jersey is right at the top of the list with California for Not-So-Smart Awards but I happen to prefer NJ’s Governor to ours.
Anthony, Could you possibly show on the ice radar picture a chunk of ice that is the size of New Jersey so as to put this “ice loss” in perspective. If this section of Antarctica is an unknown area how can they make any projections about it, oh thats right MODELS. I live here in Austin and yes it is weird.
Always with the “adjustments”!
Someone from Alaska once said that if Texans didn’t stop bragging about how big everything was there then they’d split Alaska in two and Texas would then be only the 3rd largest state. 😎
(I did live in Texas briefly. Beautiful state.)
As far the ice breaking, just send down a Texas-sized bottle of super glue.
Wales is the British standard area used to convey panic and alarm.
Reblogged this on acckkii.
hum says:
May 10, 2012 at 9:39 am
How about just breaking off Trenton?
Trenton’s already broke — in both senses of the word. I’m still steamed that Corzine hasn’t had to trade in his Armani suits for orange coveralls…
As usual, there are lots of troubles to use SI units in the US 😉
A quasi cantilever of continental glacial ice, constantly growing due to being fed by said glaciers, projecting out into the ocean. Yes, pieces will break off of it, it is inevitable. Consider it as a crude cooling system that uses phase change. What is it doing long term to the thermal balance? Want to talk about tipping points? Let’s. How about tipping points that may end the interglacial.
Anthony
Maybe you could find a space somewhere on your sidebar to provide a little well needed perspective on all this hype
http://lima.nasa.gov/img/us_vs_antarctica.tif
“This is a significant discovery in a region of Antarctica that at present we know little about,” said Professor Martin Siegert of the University of Edinburgh,….
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Science is fun, eh.
“If we were to invent a set of conditions conducive to retreat of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, this would be it,” said Don Blankenship…
“IF”?! I think you already did.
This is just like the ozone hole was in the ’70s: “we just found this out and it CATASTROPHIC!!! We gotta’ stop it right now!!!!!” Riiight, who’s to say that this isn’t the “normal” state of things, since we’ve never before observed this? Isn’t it the nature of glaciers (or climate) to change, grow, recede, etc.? No? oh… right.
Wake me up when they’re talking Greenland sized chunks, thanks..,
Are these people really scientists? I think something is lacking in their reasoning.
pbittle says:
May 10, 2012 at 1:03 pm
“If we were to invent a set of conditions conducive to retreat of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, this would be it,” said Don Blankenship…
“IF”?! I think you already did.
This is just like the ozone hole was in the ’70s: “we just found this out and it CATASTROPHIC!!! We gotta’ stop it right now!!!!!” Riiight, who’s to say that this isn’t the “normal” state of things, since we’ve never before observed this? Isn’t it the nature of glaciers (or climate) to change, grow, recede, etc.? No? oh… right.
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Lots of regulations are made to control something that was a non-problem before man could detect it.
Can sea ice be seen then as a natural installator
IE ice traps what warmth there is left in the sea and stops the sea from geting too cold.
As seas warms up more ice melts from underneath the ice thus cooling the top water as well.
If the ice melts completely it allows more heat to excape into the atmosphere from the sea as the
installation is gone.
Thus in the long term you will again get a overall cooling in the seas at which time the ice will regrow and reduce heat loss to the atmosphere. Then the seas will start to warm up again and the sea ice will melt to allow more heat to excape from the sea and thus the CYCLE gos on.
This is the way i see it may be wrong but it makrs sense to me.
As mentioned by others, the country of Wales is a popular unit of area in the UK for large areas, particularly when referring to tropical rain forests. Wembley Football pitches tend be used for smaller areas.
Traditionally, volume is often measured in units of “Saint Paul’s Cathedral”
New Jersy units or even Texas units. Scratches head with wonderment. If we are talking minature units of area then thats OK but I would really start worrying when they started using Queensland or Western Australian units and then I would know for certain that they have no idea what they are talking about.
New Jersy 7,787 sq miles
Texas 268,820 sq miles
Queensland 715,309 sq miles
Western Australia 1,021,478 sq miles
So a scrap of ice a bit bigger than a Welsh football field breaks off.
We’re (yawn) doomed.
Glaciers meet the sea and calve ice burgs so what else is new??? Are they planing on sailing the Titanic II into it? Make a new horror movie the “The Ice Monster meets Frankenstein”?
michael hart says:
May 10, 2012 at 3:02 pm
As mentioned by others, the country of Wales is a popular unit of area in the UK for large areas, particularly when referring to tropical rain forests. Wembley Football pitches tend be used for smaller areas.
Traditionally, volume is often measured in units of “Saint Paul’s Cathedral”
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Gosh, Michael, that sounds like another traditional Australian unit of volume, multiples of Sydney Harbour. Of course, no-one has the faintest idea of what it means.
A New Jersey? You yanks and your tiny States.
I’ve been in paddocks bigger than New Jersey.
Wikipedia (yeah, I know) informs us that there’s a Great Pyramid sized chunk of ice (fresh water!) for every human on the planet in Antarctica. Of course, there are more humans now so the volume of ice is shrinking!