One of the more celebrated North Pole surfacings of the USS Skate happened today in 1959, see http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/26/ice-at-the-north-pole-in-1958-not-so-thick/ for more on that and several others.
Nearly a couple years ago at the ICCC in Chicago, Lord Monckton noted that at the time of this surfacing it was late winter and the Sun hadn’t risen. I’m not entirely sure why he mentioned that, but I wasn’t able to come up with a quick and accurate description of the lighting conditions. Let me do it now so I can get the issue out of my system. First, we need a submarine:

I’m not about to spend my St. Patrick’s Day at the North Pole in hopes that a sub will surface, especially since there’s a perfectly accessible submarine in Portsmouth New Hampshire at Albacore Park. I go to an annual event in Portsmouth each February, which fit quite nicely into seeking photos set in an icy, snowy setting.
The rocket science part is to time the photo to match the Sun’s position below the horizon. At the North Pole the Sun rises in March and sets in September. The concept of a 24 hour day refers mainly to the longitude line the Sun is passing (it’s due south all “day” long).
Sunrise, by US Naval Office definition, is when the upper limb of the Sun touches the horizon. The USNO considers the horizon to be distant and the observer is close to land or sea surface. It’s fairly easy to compute the location of the center of the Sun relative the horizon as seen from the North Pole, it’s just the “declination,” which is the celestial equivalent of latitude. There are two significant effects to take into account. The obvious one is the Sun’s angular radius, which is about 16 arcminutes. The other is atmospheric refraction near the horizon. This is what makes the Sun and Moon look squashed when they are on the horizon. The refraction right at the horizon is about 34 arcminutes. So, sunrise occurs when geometrically the center of the Sun is 50 arcminutes (0.83°) below the horizon.
An aside – on the equinoxes, night and day are supposed to be equal. Not true! At most latitudes the time from sunrise to sunset is about 12h10m then. Today, for me, is the true clock time equinox.
Where were we? Oh yes. Some data from the North Pole on 1959 Mar 17, in degrees above the horizon:
1959 North Pole, Latitude 90.00 Longitude 0.00 Date Decln Mar 15 -2.32 Mar 16 -1.93 Mar 17 -1.53 Mar 18 -1.14 Mar 19 -0.74 Mar 20 -0.35 Mar 21 0.05
It would be nice to know the hour, but let’s not be that obsessive. What does this tell us? First, the Sun will rise around the 19th. Second, Spring begins when the declination is 0°, and that will be on the 21st. On the 17th, the entire Sun is below the horizon and the upper limb is 0.70° below the horizon. This puts us well into morning twilight. Twilight – what’s that? Let’s take a look from a North Pole point of view, and start when it’s just plain dark.
Another aside – at the start of winter at the North Pole, the Sun is 23.44° below the horizon. However, the Full Moon will be between some 18° to 28° above the horizon. Yes, it’s nighttime, but not completely dark all the time.
If we discount the Moon and clouds, the sky is dark at the start of Winter with only stars providing feeble light. In late January, the Sun climbs above 18° below the horizon and we enter Astronomical Twilight. This is a period where there is enough light from the Sun that it interferes with seeing faint objects in the sky, especially those nearest the rising Sun. In mid February the Sun reaches 12° and we enter Nautical Twilight. Brighter, but mariners can still easily see the stars used for navigation. By early March the Sun reaches 6°, now the navigational stars are fading from view and we’re in Civil Twilight and people can get around pretty well without extra light. From the above, we can tell Civil Twilight will last a couple weeks and then daylight begins.
Now, let’s shift our point of view to Portsmouth. I’m also shifting to the evening because I took these photos after sunset. Civil twilight here lasts about half an hour, which fits in well with both our experience and state motor vehicle law that requires headlights to be on by half an hour after sunset.
Another aside – twilight is longest at the Summer Solstice, shorter at the Winter Solstice, but shortest near the equinoxes. If there’s interest, I’ll go into more details in the comments.
My intent was to photograph the Albacore in lighting similar to what there was for the Skate, i.e. when the Sun was 0.70° below the horizon. The math for this is a bit trickier, and entails messing with declination, right ascension, latitude, longitude, and Solar altitude to get the date and time. A fine approximation uses just the date (I was there on 2010 Feb 20) and some of this data:
2010 Albacore Park, Latitude 43.08 Longitude 70.76 Date Rise Set Civil Naut Astro Decln Feb 21 6:32A 5:22P 0:29 1:02 1:36 -10.43
At sunset, the solar altitude is -0.83°, we want the time when it’s about -1.53°. We know during Civil twilight the Sun will drop 5.16°, so interpolating, that’s about 4 minutes after sunset, and gee, there should be plenty of light. While the the visitor center and Albacore were locked, I could park there and walk around the trench used to bring in the Albacore. And indeed, there was plenty of light, as the photos prove.
Just one other thing – yes, black and white films in the late 1950s were plenty fast enough. The photographer probably used Tri-X (ASA 400) or Royal-X (ASA 1200). The latter was so grainy that it generally was only used in large format cameras. I had my camera set to a ASA 400 (or maybe even 100) equivalent.
Lord Monckton has probably figured all this out, but now we all know that there was plenty light and we know where to find a submarine in a snowy environment.

The Albacore is an interesting vessel, several design experiments with it influenced the next generation of submarines.

That’s a fake screw… the actual ones are classified…
I am fascinated by submarines since watching Das Boot. 🙂
I’ve been fascinated by submarines since before the first patrol I served on one…. 1974. Volunteered for subs in ’72. That “screw” is NOT fake. The Albacore was a 1950s experimental diesel powered sub. The testing of designs, including propellers, using it led to new shapes and applications that were utilized in the nuclear subs that were built in following years. The Albacore was decommissioned in ’72.
Why not favor us with the actual, classic photo of USS Skate riding comfortably at 90 North?
[Reply Originally I was going to, but between that photo having been used several times and there being such a good collection in that 2009 post I figured I’d add an extra photo of the Albacore instead. -Ric]
What was the point of all that?
“I’m not about to spend my St. Patrick’s Day at the North Pole in hopes that a sub will surface.” One less thing I have to worry about. 😉
[Reply: Yes dear. Sorry I haven’t done anything about dinner yet. I’ve been on the computer, but you knew that. -Ric]
Contra rotating.
I believe that’s more for efficiency than steering.
There are two in Holbrook NSW not far from one of the great pie shops of all time.
lol, that’s good Ric, very detailed. Couldn’t you have just stated that it’s light outside right before sunrise and right after sunset?
At any rate, when Monckton seemingly throws in a off-hand comment like, when “Lord Monckton noted that at the time of this surfacing it was late winter and the Sun hadn’t risen.” I often attribute that to bait. It’s a great argument style, which, I employ at times.
“That’s a fake screw…”
CAGW “science” is also in that category.
A very interesting read, thank you!
michaelpgoad says:
March 17, 2012 at 1:35 pm
I used to chase you around. Was in ASW (anti-submarine warfare) starting in 1969. P3’s & S3’s etc. Bubble head 🙂
Counter rotating screws to neutralize the torque, I guess?
The wikipedia article on Skate is at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Skate_(SSN-578)
Quoting from the article: “In early March 1959, she again headed for the Arctic to pioneer operations during the period of extreme cold and maximum ice thickness. The submarine steamed 3,900 miles (6,300 km) under pack ice while surfacing through it ten times. On 17 March, she surfaced at the North Pole to commit the ashes of the famed explorer Sir Hubert Wilkins to the Arctic waste. When the submarine returned to port, she was awarded a bronze star in lieu of a second Navy Unit Commendation for demonstrating “… for the first time the ability of submarines to operate in and under the Arctic ice in the dead of winter….””
There is also a picute of Skate surfaced “in the Artic” in 1959. Looks like plenty of light ot me.
Also a great picture of Skate surfaced at the North Pole in 1962 at:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08578.htm
However, according to the Wikipedia article, this would have been on August 2, 1962
Tri-X
I had GREAT success pushing that to 1600+ with fantastic results when taking photos of sports inside a gym.
This page can help you with the Arctic light question.
Click on March!
http://www.athropolis.com/sun-fr.htm
If any of you want to speak to experts on Submarines, get in touch with the Dock Museum, Barrow in Furness Cumbria UK.
We have been building world class submarines here for well over a hundred years. This town has marine engineering in it’s blood and almost nobody who believes in Catastrophic Anthropological Climate Change.
I always thought submarine screws were designed to be as quiet as possible ?
So, with one post, Ric, has managed to combine submarines, astronomy and Lord Monckton.
I truly pity you, but you brought this upon yourself 🙂
kbray
No, we’re all getting screw.. by the “science” of CAGW!
Bill
Have to say I am a little confused about the point of your post. The stages of astronomical twilight and phases of the moon are fully monitored by submariners (and villains) all around the world.
[Reply: There’s really no central point. WUWT’s theme is Commentary of puzzling things in life, nature, science, …. If some people find concepts like a “day” at the North Pole to be a puzzle worthy of commentary, then great.]
I suspect, but I am no means certain that you believe Monckton was suggesting the photo a fake. No way would a crew of 100 plus sailors be able to do that. Jack does not do fake.
[Reply: Not at all. The closest thing to a “suspicion” is that Lord Monckton may not have noticed the surfacing was before sunrise until that day and hadn’t determined for himself how light it was. I could have come up with a decent estimate (e.g. light like within 10 minutes past sunset) but I had forgotten the date of the photograph. In case Lord Monckton sees this post, I figure my analysis had better be complete!]
A fun and interesting post. The photo of a sub in a park is a hoot!
Thanks, Ric.
I remember one captain who had spent years driving a bouy tender that had one screw. They retired that boat and he got its two screw replacement. He provided us with hours of mirth before he got the hang of the thing.
The most fun part was docking where there was a strong current. With the old boat he would nose into the dock and haul on the throttle and the stern would swing over real nice like. With the new boat … no docks were actually destroyed and the boat didn’t get any major dents.
Unless you could control them independently, the counter-rotating screws look like the worst of both worlds. The only way to steer the boat would be with the rudder.
Of course all this stuff about the boat is a red herring. The real deal is that there was enough unfrozen water at the north pole for a submarine to surface.
I don’t know this, but contra rotation would probably dampen noise. Run silent…..run deep.
Just in passing, forget propellers look propulsors.
CommieBob says
Of course all this stuff about the boat is a red herring. The real deal is that there was enough unfrozen water at the north pole for a submarine to surface.
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Bob deems to have some resistance to the idea that ice floating on water moves around and that gaps open up that allow submarines to surface. No melting required. No low ice extent required.
Maybe the skate logs should be read to see if they had trouble finding openings through which they could surface. The probably even logged the ice thickness above them. If the ice on average was a lot thicker than today that would put paid to this stubborn belief in low ice in the 1950s.
In fact wasnt a book written about these expeditions?