Monckton in a rift with Union college Earth scientist and activist

Readers may recall this piece Monckton’s Schenectady showdown in which he schools a number of students despite “en-masse” collections (to use Donald Rodbell’s words) of naysayers. Mr. Rodbell and Erin Delman, pictured below, wrote this essay (which I’ve excerpted below) in their student newspaper The Concordiensis, citing their angst that Monckton was speaking.

A lord’s opinion can’t compete with scientific truth

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Erin Delman (left), President of the Environmental Club, debates with Monckton – photo by Charlotte Lehman | Department Chair and Professor of Geology Donald Rodbell (right) asks Lord Christopher Monckton a question at the event on the “other side” of global warming. – photo by Rachel Steiner, Concordiensis

By Donald Rodbell and Erin Delman in |

As Earth scientists, we were torn. The College Republicans and the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT) were hosting Lord Monckton, a globally recognized climate skeptic, on Mon., March 5, and we were not quite sure how to respond. Frankly, the sentiment vacillated between utter disgust and sheer anger. On one hand, it seemed ludicrous to give Monckton a second of time or thought. On the other, however, dismissing him and allowing his speech without rejection risked that he would have an impact, and a dangerous one at that.

And thus, the college environmentalists – including Environmental Club members, the leaders and members of U-Sustain, concerned citizens, and renowned Earth scientists with PhDs from prestigious research institutions – decided to oppose the presence of Lord Monckton on our campus. We collected en-masse before his presentation to make it unambiguously clear that we would not allow such erroneous discourse to go unnoticed.

Lord Monckton does not stand alone in his beliefs on this issue; however, 97 percent of scientists overwhelmingly oppose his viewpoint. He kept asserting that this debate must follow a rigorous, science-based approach, and that the consensus of experts is, by itself, an insufficient basis on which to decide the veracity of the evidence for significant human-induced global warming.

Serious scientific debate cannot be carried out in the blogosphere, nor in highly charged and politically motivated presentations either by Lord Monckton or by Al Gore.  The fact of the matter is that science has spoken, the overwhelming bulk of the evidence has shown very, very clearly that global warming is occurring and is at least mostly caused by humans.  While scientific consensus can be wrong, it most often is not.

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Sigh, there’s that ridiculous 97% figure again. You’d think these “educated” people would bother to check such things before mindlessly regurgitating them and making themselves look like sycophants. And then there’s this:  “Serious scientific debate cannot be carried out in the blogosphere…” well, then, PLEASE tell that to the RealClimate team so they stop trying to do that on the taxpayers dime.

It seems Erin Delman is training to be a professional enviro-legal troublemaker

She is interested in pursuing a joint Ph.D. and law degree in geology and environmental law and is considering a career in environmental policy, particularly involving water rights.

…so I suppose I’m not surprised at this article. With that California background and water rights bent, I predict she’ll be joining the Pacific Institute to supplement Gleick’s mission.

Full article here: A lord’s opinion can’t compete with scientific truth

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Monckton responds in comments to that article

Monckton of Brenchley March 16, 2012 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

Oh, come off it, Professor!

By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley

Professor Donald Rodbell’s personal attack on me in Concordiensis (“A Lord’s Opinion Can’t Compete with Scientific Truth”) deserves an answer. The Professor does not seem to be too keen on freedom of speech: on learning that I was to address students at Union College, he said that he “vacillated between utter disgust and sheer anger”. My oh my!

The Professor should be reminded of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States: “Congress shall make no law … abridging the freedom of speech”. I exercised freedom of speech at Union College. The Professor may disagree with what I said (though his article is lamentably unspecific about what points in my lecture – if any – he disagreed with); but, under the Constitution, he may not deny or abridge my right to say it.

He and his fellow climate extremists ought not, therefore, to have talked of “opposing the presence of Lord Monckton”: for that would be to abridge my freedom of speech. It would have been fair enough for the Professor to talk of opposing my arguments – yet that, curiously, is what his rant in Concordiensis entirely fails to do.

The Professor says it is certain that “the world is warming, climatic patterns are changing, and humans are a driving force”. Let us look at these three statements in turn.

– The world is not warming at present. It has not been warming for almost a decade and a half, though it has been warming since 1695. In the 40 years to 1735, before the Industrial Revolution even began, the temperature in Central England (not a bad proxy for global temperatures) rose by 4 Fahrenheit degrees, compared with just 1 F° in the whole of the 20th century.

– Climatic patterns are indeed changing. But they have been changing for 4,567 million years, and they will go on changing long into the future. However, the fact of climate change does not tell us the cause of climate change.

– Humans are indeed exercising some influence. Indeed, though the Professor implies otherwise, I stated explicitly in my lecture that the IPCC might be right in saying that more than half of the warming since 1950 was caused by us. However, that tells us little about how much warming we may expect in future. My best estimate is that the CO2 we add to the atmosphere this century will cause around 1 C° of warming by 2100. But that is not far short of the IPCC’s own central estimate of 1.5 C°.

Next, the Professor asserts, without any evidence, that “97% of scientists overwhelmingly oppose [Monckton’s] viewpoint”. Overlooking the tautology (the word “overwhelmingly” should have been omitted), as far as I am aware there has been no survey of scientists or of public opinion generally to determine how many oppose my viewpoint. I am aware of two surveys in which 97% of scientists asserted that the world had warmed in the past 60 years: but, in that respect, they agree with my viewpoint. No survey has found 97% of scientists agreeing with the far more extreme proposition that unchecked emissions of CO2 will be very likely to cause dangerous global warming. And, even if there had been such a survey, the notion that science is done by head-counting in this way is the shop-worn logical fallacy of the argumentum ad populum – the headcount fallacy. That fallacy was first described by Aristotle 2300 years ago, and it is depressing to see a Professor trotting it out today.

Science is not done by headcount among scientists. It is done by measurement, observation, and experiment, and by the application of established theory to the results. Until Einstein, 100% of scientists thought that time and space were invariant. They were all wrong. So much for consensus.

Next, the Professor says I made “numerous inaccuracies and mis-statements”. Yet he does not mention a single one in his article, which really amounts to mere hand-waving. He then asserts that I have “no interest whatsoever in pursuing a truly scientific approach”. Those who were present, however, will be aware that I presented large quantities of data and analysis demonstrating that the principal conclusions of each of the four IPCC climate assessments are defective; that the warming to be expected from a doubling of CO2 is 1 C°; and that, even if 21st-century warming were 3 C°, it would still be 10-100 times cheaper and more cost-effective to do nothing now and adapt in a focused way later than to try to stop the warming by controlling CO2.

The Professor goes on to say that “the fundamental building block of all science is peer-reviewed publications”. No: rigorous thought is the cornerstone of science. That is what is lacking in the IPCC’s approach. All of its principal conclusions are based on modeling. However, not one of the models upon which it relies has been peer-reviewed. Nor is any of the IPCC’s documents peer-reviewed in the accepted sense. There are reviewers, but the authors are allowed to override them, and that is not peer review at all. That is how the IPCC’s deliberate error about the alleged disappearance of all Himalayan glaciers by 2035 was not corrected. Worse, almost one-third of all references cited in the IPCC’s 2007 Fourth Assessment Report were not peer-reviewed either. They were written by environmental campaigners, journalists and even students. That is not good enough.

Next, the Professor says that, in not publishing my own analysis of “global warming” in a reviewed journal, I am “fundamentally non-scientific”. Yet he does not take Al Gore to task for never having had anything published in a reviewed journal. Why this disfiguring double standard? The most important thing, surely, is to shut down the IPCC, whose approach – on the Professor’s own peer-review test – is “fundamentally non-scientific”.

The Professor goes on to say, “It is impossible to scrutinize [Monckton’s] methods, calculations, and conclusions without a complete and detailed peer-reviewed publication that presents the important details.” On the contrary: my slides are publicly available, and they show precisely how I reached my conclusions, with numerous references to the peer-reviewed literature and to the (non-peer-reviewed) IPCC assessment reports.

Next, the Professor says that “rather substantial errors” were pointed out to me at Union College. Yet in every case I was able to answer the points raised: and, here as elsewhere, the Professor is careful not to be specific about what “errors” I am thought to have made. I pointed out some very serious errors in the documents of the IPCC: why does the Professor look the other way when confronted with these “official” errors? Once again, a double standard seems to be at work.

The Professor ends by saying that “science has spoken” and that, “while scientific consensus can be wrong, it most often is not”. Well, the eugenics consensus of the 1920s, to the effect that breeding humans like racehorses would improve the stock, was near-universally held among scientists, but it was wrong, and it led directly to the dismal rail-yards of Oswiecim and Treblinka. The Lysenko consensus of the 1940s and 1950s, to the effect that soaking seed-corn in water over the winter would help it to germinate, wrecked 20 successive Soviet harvests and killed 20 million of the proletariat. The ban-DDT consensus of the 1960s has led to 40 million malaria deaths in children (and counting), 1.25 million of them lasts year alone. The don’t-stop-AIDS consensus of the 1980s has killed 33 million, with another 33 million infected and waiting to die.

The climate “consensus” is also killing millions by diverting billions of dollars from helping the poor to enriching governments, bureaucrats, bankers, landowners, windfarm scamsters, and environmentalist racketeers, and by denying to the Third World the fossil-fueled electricity it so desperately needs. It is time to stop the killing. If arguing for a more rational and scientifically-based policy will bring the slaughter of our fellow citizens of this planet to an end, then I shall continue to argue for it, whether the Professor likes it or not.

He should be thoroughly ashamed of himself.

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RobertInAz
March 17, 2012 2:54 pm

“Is Monkton right about DDT? ”
It’s been years since I read the article, but it related to more targeted (than in the 40s) DDT use inside mosquito nets would have a very positive impact on malaria.
Read about the remarkable resurgence of bedbugs.

March 17, 2012 2:55 pm

A hidden pearl of wisdom from Ms Delman: her aspiration to focus on “water rights”, rather than “climate change”.

Joe Veragio
March 17, 2012 2:55 pm

Hugh Pepper says:
March 17, 2012 at 12:56 pm
” Mr Monckton has no credibility as a critic of science. He has done no research, nor offered any hypotheses which could be validated through research. He merely criticizes and his slide show has been thoroughly debunked by others. He is an an excellent promoter of contrarian ideas, which have not been substantiated through the accepted processes, namely research which has passed through peer review. ”
🙂
Is that all your own work Hugh, or something you’ve heard others say ?

Marlow Metcalf
March 17, 2012 2:57 pm

When he writes “my slides are publicly available” it would be helpful if he were to include a short cut link for us lazy people.

Kath
March 17, 2012 2:59 pm

Well said, your Lordship!

Max Phillis
March 17, 2012 3:00 pm

The original article maintains, “Most readers know that the fundamental building block of all science is peer-reviewed publications.”
From the tone of this article (and many others), you would think that young science students these days are trained to simply accept any written publication as true factual, if it only has made it through the referees of a peer-reviewed publication. In actuality, that is not the case. Any graduate of any decent science program is trained to critically review published papers. Often times, journal clubs are set up for this purpose, and research scientists and trainees will discuss various strengths and weaknesses of published work. Factually, a lot of incorrect junk is published all the time in peer reviewed journals, particularly in soft sciences (such as climate science).

March 17, 2012 3:05 pm

In the sense that Monckton accepts that the planet has warmed recently and that CO2 has a significant (measurable/detectable) impact on temperatures, Monckton is as much a part of the 97% as the rest of the 97%.
Watched a horror movie yesterday and it’s bemusing to always watch the lone ‘sceptic’ in his battle against fear, meet a nasty end because of his denialism of superstition.

clipe
March 17, 2012 3:08 pm

Monckton at UWO monday.
http://www.apmaths.uwo.ca/Nerenberg/
Nerenberg Lecture 2012
Premise:Mathematics is the lingua franca of the sciences. Few speak it. Today’s statesmen and the handful of courtiers they have time to trust must often go beyond their expertise. This is the Courtier’s Conundrum: how can the inexpert adviser advise expertly? Margaret Thatcher’s six policy advisers were not scientists. Yet they often gave scientific advice, because they had to…

Jimbo
March 17, 2012 3:08 pm

ADVICE ALERT TO ALL YOUNG UNIVERSITY WARMIST SCIENTISTS

Keith
The other fun thing to understand is that this argument is kept in perpetuity by such sites like the Internet Archive; unlike papers published in periodicals and other transient publishing mediums – you would do very well for your future careers to stick to the facts, verify your conclusions to source and keep your emotions under check.
http://www.concordy.com/article/opinions/march-7-2012/a-lords-opinion-cant-compete-with-scientific-truth/4222/#comment-19691

I could not have said it better myself. Check the facts for yourselves and stop being a blind person following a blind person who claims to you that they can see. Don’t believe a word we sceptics have to say but DO check our counter claims and arrive at honest conclusions. The science is not settled and there never was a 97% of climate scientists blah blah. CHECK IT!

jonathan frodsham
March 17, 2012 3:14 pm

Erin Delman is an it. It wants to be an environmental lawyer. I could not even in my worst nightmare think of a worst lowlife occupation. This in itself gives us the type of person “It” is. It is just a very nasty piece of work. It is also an educated idiot. Educated idiots usually find employment in the government liberal sector, as it will, and funded by the taxpayer. It will be a environmental lawyer winding up teaching its rubbish to other students so they can do the same (Teach)
If I had such a daughter (I have 3) I would be ashamed

Len
March 17, 2012 3:15 pm

Adults should give up childish thngs and thinking as a child thinks. Adults who call themselves scientists should know a litle bit about the scientific method and of the role of truth in science. In fact the very definition of science is searching for the truth. And research is used because it is hard to find the truth, so more and more research is needed. Neither Erin nor Prof. Robdell know enough to carry an adult conversation with Lond Monckton as their vile words and false claims (97% consensus of scientists support CAGW) demonstrate. How fortonate they were to have an opportunity to personally hear a presentation by Lord Moncton. Their loss is not just the argument, but they missed a great opportunity to listen and learn from a unique person. I would welcome the opportunity.

Graphite
March 17, 2012 3:24 pm

See – owe to Rich says:
March 17, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Lord love a duck, you played a blinder with that one.
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English slang?
Maybe in a Boulting Brothers parody of P.G. Wodehouse . . . but in the real world?
You’ll hear Prof Rodwell talk sense before you hear those words.

Jeff B.
March 17, 2012 3:34 pm

Look at the body language of that sad girl. She doesn’t have any confidence in her beliefs. She’s been indoctrinated with a load of garbage that she believes based on emotion and not intellect. The University system is a Left leaning wasteland full of the self important pseudo-scientists like Mann and Trenberth. Can’t wait for that bubble to burst so we can get back to real learning.

March 17, 2012 3:36 pm

Hugh Pepper
“Mr Monckton is universally criticized because HE has not provided “evidence” for his numerous assertions. Are you defended him?”
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Damn right I’m “defended” him. You have to be student before you become teacher. An intellectually active student engages a body of knowledge, paying particular attention to contrasting views, and then produces a coherent synthesis from ideas and information to serve as a base for teaching. The mettle of the teacher is tested as he presents and defends his subject in the arena of ideas before groups of passionate, skeptical truth seekers. Such a group does not include the “consensus” coterie. Their minds were made up before the discussion began. Like sheep, they are comfortable going in a direction as long as a lot of others are going that way too.
Hell, I’m part of the 97% that thinks it’s warming, but I’m also part of the very small percentage who has read H H Lamb’s “Climatic History and the Future”, plus many global and historical climate studies and analyses, and have concluded that present climate and weather events are not unprecedented, and are far from unusual.
After sea levels rose over 400 feet since the last Ice Age, global temperatures were 2 to 4 degrees C warmer 8000 to 3000 years ago during the Holocene Climate Optimum, Greenland ice cores show that 9100 of the past 10000 years were warmer than any of the past 100, that glaciers in Glacier Bay, Alaska, retreated 60 miles 1780 to 1912 and only six miles since; yes I’m “defended” Lord Monckton. He doesn’t need my defense, or a consensus of believers, because climate history and science support his positions.
I’ll bet that if we asked “climate” scientists if they agreed the Earth had experienced natural climate changes many times, including much warmer and colder periods, that over 97% would say yes, and only the Al Gore acolytes would say no.
Then we would have “our” consensus.

Phil
March 17, 2012 3:37 pm

Thank you, Lord Monckton. It is sad that, for so many, belief trumps science.

Mike, Stockholm
March 17, 2012 3:41 pm

Curious and interested in different points of view and theories = student.
“Disgusted and sheer angry” about ditto = useful idiot.

BradProp1
March 17, 2012 3:43 pm

It would appear the “alarmists” have become the new “Deniers”. But they’re even worse because they have no facts to backup their “denialism”. 😉

A Lovell
March 17, 2012 3:44 pm

From Erin Delman’s cv.
“She helped organize the College’s award-winning cardboard recycling program, and she is also active with Union’s chapter of Campus Kitchens, a nationwide program aimed at using leftover dining hall food to make nutritious meals for local residents.”
May I have a Udell Scholarship and an award please? I recycle cardboard and make meals from leftovers for local residents (my family) nearly every day!
Well done once again, Lord Monckton. Another thorough shredding.

March 17, 2012 3:45 pm

Anthony says “….so I suppose I’m not surprised at this article. With that California background and water rights bent, I predict she’ll be joining the Pacific Institute to supplement Gleick’s mission.”
Ms. Delman might be interest in furthering her education by attending UCLA’s Institute of the Environment and Sustainability (IoES). She just missed a fundraiser for the program noted in a post post by Lawrence Bender (the producer of an Inconvenient Truth) entitled: America’s Young Minds: A Neglected Renewable Resource. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lawrence-bender/climage-change_b_1346459.html?ir=Green
Ms Delman would likely agree with Mr. Bender that.. “To be sure, governments will remain critical to any comprehensive effort to save our planet. But waiting for governments is no longer an option. It is time for other institutions to step up. And one place that is happening is our universities, which can serve as powerful agents of change.”
With UCLA being so close to the center of the movie industry it is likely she will be able to gain first hand knowledge of the differences between journalistic and theatrical truth. Fact checking is not required for one as recently played out over at NPR- ” NPR Retracts Episode Claiming Apple’s Factory Abuse- http://www.mobiledia.com/news/133655.html
“NPR radio show “This American Life” retracted its episode about Apple’s factory abuses — due to errors in fact-checking — which triggered an outpouring of criticism and cast a negative light on Apple.
The program will air another show explaining what went wrong, detailing conditions of Apple’s Foxconn factory in Shenzhen, China. Based on material from performer Mike Daisey, who wrote a one-man-show entitled, “The Agony and the Ecstasy of Steve Jobs” the episode described visits to factories in Shenzhen.
“The program, which put Apple’s treatment of workers under a microscope, fueled a backlash against the company from journalists, regulators and consumers. Now, This American Life says it isn’t standing behind the report, due to exaggerated details, since Daisey’s script was part of a monologue for performance purposes.”
I just heard parts of the “what went wrong” episode on NPR today. Mr. Daisey’s rational for skipping the fact thing reminded a bit of Dr. Gleick’s rational for lying. I have a greater respect for Garrett Hardin’s foresight, noted in The Tragedy of the Commons, to make sure corrective feedbacks are in place. Traditional science has the corrective feedbacks pretty much in place. Post Normal Science on the other hand not so much; as theatrical truths can trumpet real ones in the PNS world. I was glad to hear that NPR stood up for journalistic truth vs. theatrical truth. Last time I checked books are categorized into a couple of different categories: Fiction and Non Fiction. Journalistic truth is kind of like Non Fiction, and theatrical truth is like Fiction. My librarian aunt gets very annoyed if someone represents a Fiction work as Non-Fiction…………..

Jimbo
March 17, 2012 3:46 pm

Donald Rodbell and Erin Delman

“As Earth scientists, we were torn………Frankly, the sentiment vacillated between utter disgust and sheer anger.”

Continental drift also disgusted many of Wegener’s colleagues who stood by the consensus. By the way they don’t say why they felt “disgust and sheer anger.” Is it because they have nothing say but wave their arms wildly about?

D. Patterson
March 17, 2012 3:49 pm

JDN says:
March 17, 2012 at 1:32 pm
@Monckton: The constitution only applies to the US congress and states via the commerce clause (usually). Universities and university professors abridge free speech all the time. They don’t make federal laws and are, therefore, unconstrained by the bill of rights. Otherwise, nice job.

The other half of the truth which you omitted is the right of the taxpayers employing their elected representatives to terminate the employment of academics who wrongfully abuse their positions and authority by denying the right of their critics to debate the science and policies in the public forum.

4 eyes
March 17, 2012 3:56 pm

Mr Pepper,
Let’s just stop attacking the person. Let’s get back to the facts because, as you say, “SCience is all about empirical research” which implies it has nothing to do with who is doing it. Lord Monckton (along with many others) has stated that temperatures have not risen in 15 years (some say a decade). This is a purely empirical exercise using statistics. Do you agree that temperatures have not risen in the last decade?

Ian H
March 17, 2012 3:58 pm

A problem in any social organisation faces is the type of people that are attracted to join it. This can have undesirable consequences if people are attracted to join for the wrong reasons.
The Catholic Church for example has long struggled this problem. Because of its rules on celibacy it unfortunately attracts not only those who are running towards God, but also those who are running away from their own sexuality – sometimes for very good reason. Hence the Church finds itself afflicted by paedophile priests.
The comments of the students above indicate a similar problem is now developing in the Climate and Earth sciences. It looks to me from the comments that these students are attracted to study in these area not out of a deep abiding curiosity for the subject and wish to find objective answers, but out of environmental crusading zealotry and a desire to justify solutions. I suspect it will be difficult for these students to truly become scientifically dispassionate. If they succeed in becoming scientists at all they will be activist scientists along the lines of Mann and Hansen.

Theo Goodwin
March 17, 2012 4:01 pm

dtbronzich says:
March 17, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Wonderful! Why is it that such otherwise intelligent and presumably rational people “go off the rails” when their cherished viewpoint is challenged? It’s rather as if one had invited a Southern Baptist Minister out for cocktails on a Sunday after services.
Yes, amazing how intolerance has switched places in America.

TimH
March 17, 2012 4:04 pm

I am reminded of a recent event where 2 corporate executives got so intoxicated and out of control on an international flight that they had to be physically tied up. They were later found trying to chew through their restraints.
I, for one, will be delighted to see Rodbell and Delman try to chew their way out of this one.