Unsustainable: CSUC Campus cops ditching Diggler electric scooters

Chico State University Police Officers Bill Kolb, Bryce Davison and Community Service Officer John DeGroot (from left) are seen on electric scooters on Oct. 14, 2009 in Chico. Three electric scooters will be up for auction in March.(Ty Barbour/Staff File Photo)

From the Chico Enterprise Record

This is another one of those “brilliant” sustainable ideas by the sustainability cabal at Chico State University (inspired by Dr. Mark Stemen) gone horribly wrong.

Looking at the photo, you just have to laugh. Cops on electric scooters? Maybe on April 1st.

You just have to laugh, then be angry about the waste in taxpayer money ($2499 each plus shipping) for this farce. At least I don’t see the lights and siren kit ($550) on these silly things.

Unplugged: Chico State University Police getting rid of electric scooters

CHICO — Twenty-nine months ago, they seemed like an idea whose time had come.

Chico State University was building on a major sustainability campaign, and going green with electric patrol scooters seemed like a way the University Police Department could support the effort in a very visible way.

In October 2009, the department acquired three new police scooters from Diggler, a Petaluma-based company, with the intention of using them to augment campus foot and vehicle patrols, and for parking enforcement.

Their economy, with an operating cost of about one cent per mile, couldn’t be challenged, and was a big selling point.

Something seemed out of place from the start, however. As officers jumped on the stand-up scooters for their first trial runs, they looked, and seemed to feel, less official and more vulnerable than on a bicycle or even on foot.

Starting Saturday, the three scooters will be up for online bid at Bid.Cal.com. Not only have they discontinued the use of them, they are getting rid of them and in a hurry.

Full Story at ChicoER.com  Unplugged: Chico State University Police getting rid of electric scooters

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Adam Gallon

Someone tell them about a recent invention called a Bicycle. Costs 0¢/mile to run and may even make fat Yank coppers lose some weight.
Probably go faster than those scooters and are more stable.

Jenn Oates

Chortle.
Snort.
Oh, heck, guffaw.
🙂

Ed Fry

So they ditched human powered bicycles in favour of electric powered scooters with toxic batteries and did so on the basis of it being “green”.
One word comes to mind: morons.

Andrew

Scooters and guns…
When I was in school, the debate was over arming the police. For a time, the campus police had cars…but no guns. I think I would prefer armed cops on mopeds, but that is just me…and from the picture…it doesn’t look like they are parked in front of Dunkin Doughnuts…

Mac the Knife

“At least I don’t see lights and siren on these silly things.”
I’m sure they had a ‘thumb actuated bell’ on them. Their merry ‘ting -a -ling-a -ling’ is so commanding and authoritative!

Justa Joe

Poor Chris Cherry (Civil and Environmental Engineering assistant prof at The University of Tennessee, Knoxville) will be mortified.

Sustainability is another green slogan-word. Nothing in our universe is sustainable.

kbray in california

This is what they should have bought…

Step out of the car…wait a minute while I lean my scooter….hey! Come back here!

Let me guess…the company won a bunch of environmental awards and lots of pols had their photos taken during plant tours!

TerryS

Re: Adam Gallon
> Someone tell them about a recent invention called a Bicycle
From the linked article:

Officers who had been riding bicycles tried them out, but opted to go back to bikes

Andrew Parker

The University of Utah is selling (sold?) two all-electric “trucks” it had bought for groundskeeping. Apparently, when you actually load the bed with stuff, you greatly reduce the range, and you can’t go uphill, which are distinct disadvantages for a large campus built on a hillside.
What is the battery range of a Volt carrying 5 adults and luggage — in San Francisco?

Sorry, but Chris Cherry is a professor? Of what, exactly? Electrocyclestatisticalengineering? Ah, um, duh! And the reporter….oh man. Wow.

Frank K.

p gosselin says:
March 14, 2012 at 12:38 pm
“Let me guess – the company won a bunch of environmental awards and lots of pols had their photos taken during plant tours!”
No…actually the company made money selling the scooters to CSUC and stuck the taxpayers of California with the bill. That’s how Green utopias work – you have fun while wasting other people’s money. It works really well until the money runs out…

MarkW

“What is the battery range of a Volt carrying 5 adults and luggage — in San Francisco?”
Depends on how many of the passengers are pedaling.

kbray in California
If they drove that thing they woud lose all credibility! (although it looks fun)
I have a folding electric bike which I charge up via a small solar panel going into a battery and an invertor. Works well. Much faster than a straightforward bike and helps me get up the steep Devon hills, but I’m not sure speed or hills are an issue on the Chico campus.
tonyb

“Depends on how many of the passengers are pedaling.”
Flintstones?

Don

I suspect that the rest of the story is that someone somewhere had a “great idea” and executed it without asking those who were tasked to implement it. Nobody likes a paradigm shift shoved down their throats from on high.
I agree that cops on stand-up scooters is a silly concept; and the thought of riding a stand-up scooter at 30mph scares me. But some forms of personal electric vehicles can be quite practical aside from any “sustainability” issues. I really enjoy and benefit from the use of my Ridekick power trailer (full disclosure: I work for Ridekick and helped to design it) with a direct operating cost of about 1/4 cent per mile. It (in combination with my bike) is my 3-season commuting machine.

John Trigge

Justa Joe says:
March 14, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Thank (a) god that I am not in ‘Professor’ Chris Cherry’s Civil & Environment Engineering class – 14 ‘ah’s in the first minute of the video you posted. Let’s hope his electric bike initiative actually worked, although the criteria for ‘worked’ may be different if you put touch-feely green ‘environmental’ considerations ahead of practicality and cost-effectiveness.

Fred Allen

I wonder how many times they’ve taken these electric scooters out only to have the battery run flat somewhere, subsequently walked back and then taken out the truck to pick the scooters up.

rum

ok, ethanol drive?, biofuel drive and what was the other street sign? these people are nuts.

AnonyMoose

Better for routine patrols would be the industrial tricycles. Step in (no high bar), sit, and pedal. They don’t need to go fast, and parking, or running after someone, does not require a kickstand.
If they want something electric, try a Segway. All the cool Mall Cops have them.

timebandit

I alway prefered Fred Flintstones car…

AnonyMoose

rum says:
March 14, 2012 at 1:13 pm

ok, ethanol drive?, biofuel drive and what was the other street sign? these people are nuts.

You’re thinking of Best Intentions Road. You know where it leads to.

Nice interview with Prof Cherry’s beard.

C. M.

Our community college bought their security police a fleet of Segways. They were too embarrassed to use them and so they left them in a shed to rot.

Pittzer
Dave Wendt

One of the more difficult aspects in training law enforcement officers is teaching them to control volatile or potentially volatile situations by projecting a commanding psychological presence. Officers who acquire this ability can often diffuse confrontational incidents without resorting to physical or violent interventions. Rolling up to a potential dustup, which on a college campus will often involve individuals in varying states of intoxication, on one of these toys which has doofus written all over it, would seem likely to make controlling the scene by nonviolent methods extremely problematic. Watching just a few episodes of “Cops” will demonstrate that there has been a dramatic and general decline in the social restraints against offering violent resistance to law enforcement even among people who would not normally be considered part of the criminal class. In the present environment the police need to preserve every advantage they have. Making them look like something out of a “Monty Python” sketch would seem to be the the exact opposite of helpful.

StrongDreams

It was either the Atlanta or Orland airport some years ago where I first saw cops (or maybe airport security) on Segways. They looked reasonable professional, efficient and effective, at least, in an indoor environment. Those scooters look childish. I suppose Chico couldn’t afford Segways.

Gail Combs

Yeah Right.
My brother-in-law lost a leg thanks to a gas powered moped being hit by a car and my husband gave up using a bike after he was left for dead after being hit by a car.
NO THANKS! doesn’t come close.
A thought ~ Perhaps this is another method for the Malthusians to cull the human herd.

Ed, 'Mr.' Jones

I think The Heavy, Oat-fed, Replaceable, Street Engine . . . AKA HORSE, is a more sustainable, Ecologically Friendly, Community Enriching alternative that adds Biodiversity to the Farm-Animal Free oppression of the Campus Gulag . . .
There, did I use enough PC buzzwords?
Oh wait, they’re animals – we must not exploit them – we must simply leave them be until they die.

Curiousgeorge

Two words: Harley Davidson.

Ed, 'Mr.' Jones

Dave Wendt says:
March 14, 2012 at 1:31 pm
“Watching just a few episodes of “Cops” will demonstrate that there has been a dramatic and general decline in the social restraints against offering violent resistance to law enforcement even among people who would not normally be considered part of the criminal class.”
The predictable outcome of “Brutalizing” every application of ‘physical persuasion’ even when warranted, as a response to the vastly fewer instances where it was unwarranted.

Greg Goodknight

CalState Chico needs a new name.
I suggest CSU Groucho, Harpo, Zeppo or Gummo.

Neo

The concept of “energy density” is difficult for some to grasp.

Dave Wendt

Andrew Parker says:
March 14, 2012 at 12:43 pm
What is the battery range of a Volt carrying 5 adults and luggage — in San Francisco?
The IC motor would probably kick in on most long upgrades and on downgrades the added weight would probably enhance the regenerative braking gains, so the battery range would likely be quite variable. Overall mileage would almost certainly be less, but the same would be true no matter what type of powerplant was being utilized. It would take a very finely designed experimental methodology to determine the actual c/b ratio for various powerplant choices.

Garry

Poor police officers, caught in the middle of the CAGW religious farce.
It could only look worse if they were wearing propeller beanies.

Latitude

What is this world coming to….
…when even the cops opt out of the Darwin lottery

John-X

I’m reminded of this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reno_911!
I can totally picture Lt. Jim Dangle riding one of these. In his shortpants.

DaveF

This is the first I’ve heard of Diggler scooters. Not a company set up by one Dirk Diggler by any chance?

Send these bikes to Afghanistan immediately, and make the troops use them. By showing a low carbon footprint lifestyle to the Taliban, we can turn them into tree-hugging pacifists.

Martin Brumby

p gosselin says: March 14, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Let me give Pierre’s great website a plug with this gem:-
http://notrickszone.com/2012/03/13/spiegel-lets-the-genie-out-writes-on-germanys-church-of-environmentalism-and-its-absurdities/
Der Spiegel is of course a lefty / greenie publication like the Grauniad (but more honest, I think).
When they start publishing criticisms of the enviro-mentalists it is a bit like the Catholic Herald slagging off the Pope!

CB

Totalitarianism. Anyone who thinks the ad is funny is an idiot.
Oh wait, you didn’t perhaps think that they were… joking, were you? Ha ha! Now THAT’S funny!

Jason H

No wonder there haven’t been any good California highway police chases on the news lately.

Björn

I see some mention of fuel costs from 1/4 of a cent to 1 cent a mile, but I suspect it does not include the cost of replacing the batteries when they wear out. I know few people who have invested in electrically powered transport apparatuses, and in all the cases i know have had to purchase replacement batteries a cost which not only makes the supposed save on fuel disappear into thin air, but assuming that the new set of batteries have a lifetime similar to the the one just discarded, the final transport cost is usually closer to 50 c/mile, which again equates to paying something like 12 to 15 $ for a gallon of gasoline, if the the family car is used in stead.

Good point, Bjorn. Notice I said “direct operating cost”. Battery and vehicle amortization costs should be factored into any cost/benefit evaluation of an EV. Some cheap units do not have adequate battery management systems and thus overdrain or overcharge the batteries resulting in costly premature failure. But consider that electric golf carts and mobility scooters have been in service for decades, so a reasonable cost/benefit scenario must be achievable if care is exercised in design.
Someone mentioned energy density. No disputing that fossil fuels (and nukes) rule that category!

Alexander K

Anthony, you have well and truly made your point about the sheer fatuity, silliness and illogicality of out-of-control greenmentalists by publishing this article.
If this cautionary tale from your local college campus was a film script it would have been rejected for being unbelievable!

pat

Enviros are rarely economists. And for the most part are clueless inter-meddlers.

Anthony

unicycles would be even more green than those two wheeled monstrosities with an oily chain you call bicycles.

Fred Allen

No cup holder and nowhere within arms’ reach to store the donuts. What were the administrators thinking?

johnnyrvf

@ Curiousgeorge
Two more words.
Honda Fireblade.