David “fruit fly” Suzuki goes ballistic, and advocates retracting all rights from skeptics. I’m mentioned as some sort of baddie central, but at least I don’t dress up with Santa Claus to scare the kids and ask their parents to send me money. Where’s that DDT when you need it?
From the Huffington Post:
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/david-suzuki/climate-change-denial_b_1325198.html
…
“This public responsibility is especially important in light of the stepped-up efforts to deny the reality of climate change, or the role humans play in it. Cases in point are illustrated by the “denialgate” scandal revealed by the release of Heartland Institute documents and the revelation that Ottawa’s Carleton University hired Tom Harris, a PR man for a number of “astroturf” groups with a mechanical engineering background, to teach a course on climate change.
“There are many credible sources of information, and they aren’t blog sites run by weathermen like Anthony Watts, or industry-funded fake science organizations. One place to start is at Skeptical Science. Click on the tab that says “Arguments” for scientific responses to all the main climate change denier talking points.
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Apparently, I’ve irritated the fruit fly. WUWT must be having an effect then. In truest fashion, he can’t be bothered to name the website much less link to it, but it is nice to see that I’m irritating him.
– Anthony
UPDATE: It seems all is not well in Fruit Fly land. His foundation website doesn’t even register on Alexa.com due to it having a traffic rank greater than 100K. Lower number is better:
And, “skeptical science” is down in the grass.
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/davidsuzuki.org+wattsupwiththat.com+skepticalscience.com
Here’s Suzuki’s traffic ranks by country (lower is better, for example, Google is #1)
And here’s mine:
Must really bite when a web site run by some “evil denier TV weatherguy” kicks your butt in your own country. WUWT actually does more than twice as well in Canada as Suzuki.
Maybe I should send him some “denier swarms” to boost traffic.
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Can someone please restart the nuremburg trials, these warmists are using the same playbook as the nazi’s. How long until they start to demand ugenics for “undesirables”, oh wait, they already are, abortion to full term, post natal abortion, organ harvesting of handicaped people, uthenasia for anyone over a certain age, “re-education camps” for deniers, death threats to deniers and non-greenies (greenies = subsistance nomadic hunter gatherers). I also notice that the loudest voices for cutting greenhouse gasses are those who have the highest carbon footprint, perhaps we should start ugenics on those and work out from there (joke BTW for all the militant greenie leftards who want to “expose hate speach of the right”), mind you, once we got rid of the feral greenies the world would return to normal, so hey its a small price to pay, I for one would not miss any of the feral militant greenies.
Seth says:
March 9, 2012 at 2:31 pm
“This site’s usual vilification of scientists aside, the northern sea ice volume is a serious problem, with high cost impacts on people, global warming feedback and ecosystems.”
Assuming that PIOMAS is an accurate representation of Arctic ice volume, why is this a serious problem? Arctic ice coverage is known to have been lower than present and perhaps ice free during the summer previously in the Holocene. You might also consider how “convenient” is the starting point (1979) for determining the trend in Arctic ice coverage or volume. You might find this chart taken from the first IPCC report enlightening as to how previous ice coverage data has been ignored as diluting the purity of the message.
http://www.real-science.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/ScreenHunter_102-Mar.-03-07.04.jpg
We’ll see who ends up in jail, not from “denial” but from conspiracy to defraud. Ever heard of the RICO act Mr.Suzuki? America is coming after the thieving CAGW crowd, the ringleaders will be first. Your political cover will be gone very soon. Maggots.
Comment:
“To fully appreciate Suzuki, one needs only look at his childhood – in a World War II internment camp for Japanese people. That left a massive angry chip on his shoulder which is most evident when you meet him in person and discover he swears like a drunken sailor (when not describing people as maggots etc.). He’s a sociopath, and a dangerous one, who just happened to have found the means to his ends in the ‘environmental’ movement.”
Sorry, but I recently saw a “year book” (one of several) owned by the husband of a NATURAL BORN American Japanese lady…she was born and raised in Hawaii. (NO ONE INTERNED THERE!) It was OBVIOUS from the pictures, that aside from being “uprooted” from their homes and businesses on the West Coast, the Japanese AMERICANS made Lemonade out of Lemons!
They were given materials, and built SCHOOLS, INFIRMERIES, COMISSARIES, ICE RINKS, soccer fields. Put up basketball courts, tennis courts, went off (in buses) to work at local places (usually an hour or two away, alas..rural Washington State). Came back to the “very bored”, but congenial “guards”…who closed the gates on the compounds TO KEEP OUT THE WOLVES AND THE CYOTETES!
This lady explained (on behalf of her late husband) that aside from a “minor irritation factor”, NO ONE FELT as though they were treated poorly, that they were “deprived” (They were allowed to make their living quarters their HOMES and they did so very well, I saw pictures of the interiors…very nicely put together and decorated!!!!) They had phone and mail service to people on the outside. Frankly, having lived in a SMALL TOWN (800 people) in MN for 8 years of my young life…looking at the GREAT COMMUNITY the Japanese made in the camps, I can see they were better off socially THAN I WAS FOR 8 YEARS!
SO, sorry…NO, can’t excuse D.S. for being a psycopath. That’s his own CHOICE.
Max
You ask him politely to reframe from calling people “deniers” and he just carries on even worse.
We had a cockerel like him. Every time I heard him crow, I just felt sorry, because we couldn’t keep a noisy bird like that. I did try to train the cockerel to stop crowing … but I knew the dumb bird wouldn’t learn …
He tasted good.
May I suggest to Canadians that you do as I have just done. Email your MP, and request that she/he contact Mr. Suzuki, and point out to him that our rights to free speech are guaranteed under the Canadian Constitution and the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. MP’s email addresses are public information. surname dot initial at parl dot gc dot ca.
John A. Fleming says:
March 9, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Deny Deniers their Right to Deny!
OK, this is a headline, written by the headline writers. In keeping with the spirit of the article, the missing second clause, as written in the article, is
by “becom[ing] informed”
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That makes sense, the article without the subtitle is a rant. Doesn’t a guest author have editing rights to the posted article? Did he just send them an email without bothering to review the post?
The entire PURPOSE of Tides (they used to say this on their website, not sure if they do anymore) is to act as a donation laundry. They support “progressive” causes. If you want to donate to a “progressive” cause but do not want your name or your foundation associated directly with an organization, what you do is donate to Tides and “earmark” your donation to the causes you wish to receive your money. At various intervals, Tides bundles your donations along with those of others who have also earmarked donations to those organizations and gives a lump sum donation. The “cause” sees a single donation from Tides. Tides shows your donation but is not required to show who you “earmarked” it for. So there is no way someone can trace a donation to a specific organization to a specific individual. It is designed for “donation laundering”. It is how Soros and Heinz (John Kerry’s wife) keep at arms length from many of the causes they directly finance without being linked to them directly.
We Canadians are generally an affable bunch, not so this loathsome toad.
Kashua says:
“With all respect to WUWT I’d like to say that you are not more right because you have higher Alexa ranking. It’s as good argument as that the “other side” has greater deal of “consensus”.”
The high ranking of WUWT is due mainly to the fact that it allows different scientific views without censorship, and with light moderation. Readers can then make up their own minds. When a blog censors out comments it doesn’t agree with, it becomes an echo chamber and it’s site traffic drops off.
So it’s not “consensus”, it’s a wide variety of viewpoints. People like to read the different sides of a question, then make up their own minds. That’s why the skeptical point of view is winning the scientific debate. The truth eventually emerges.
We should wear the “denier” moniker as a badge of honor.
I’m A Denier (to the tune of I’m a believer by The Monkeys)
I thought ice was only seen in fairytales
Meant for someone else but not for me
That’s the way it seemed
Global Warming haunted all my dreams
Then I saw the stats, now I’m a denier
Not a trace of doubt in my mind
I’m enraged, I’m a denier
I couldn’t believe it if I tried
I thought Al was more or less an honest guy
Seems the more I gave the less I got
What’s the use in trying?
When he called for sunshine I got rain
Then I saw the stats, now I’m a denier
Not a trace of doubt in my mind
I’m enraged, I’m a denier
I couldn’t believe it if I tried
Drought was out to get me
Now that’s the way it seemed
Global Warming haunted all my dreams
Then I saw the stats, now I’m a denier
Not a trace of doubt in my mind
I’m enraged, I’m a denier
I couldn’t believe it if I tried
Yes I saw the stats, now I’m a denier
Not a trace of doubt in my mind
Said I’m a denier, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
anthony –
re scarface post & your reply re IE browser etc:
yesterday, every time i opened WUWT i got strange, faint, capitalised text throughout the comments. could barely read anything. also tried to post something and got told i needed verifiable email or something. tried again later and did manage to post a comment.
i didn’t upgrade IE or do anything else, but today WUWT is completely back to normal.
An Alexa ranking measures popularity (number of hits), not correctness of opinion. The point being that the perceived correctness of opinion on Anthony’s site is far more popular than the correctness of opinion on Suzuki’s freaky commissar-driven site.
All in all, maybe this whole “denier” thing has a positive side. The word “denier” lost its automatic connection with the Holocaust. They’ve pummeled the world with the term so much, it has no sting or heinous connotation anymore. Whereas at first it was equating us all with neo-Nazis, people now just go “Ho hum.”
Maybe the biggest thing now is just that they think it is being taken seriously, since all it means now is someone who doesn’t happen to agree with the speaker/writer.
I don’t know if, in the big scope of things, that means anything. Except there is no shame heard by third party listeners anymore.
They’ve just beat it into the ground too much – to the point where they have to put THREE in a headline, like shrill temper tantrum. Pitiful…
And not only that, but Suzuki probably lost a good bit of his more-or-less geeky listening audience by jumping on the warmer wagon.
Richard S Courtney
(insult)
Shut up my mum is a nice person! 🙂
It is always salutary to remember that David Suzuki is not a scientist, but a *documentary film narrator* as well as a profiteer on environmental fear-mongering. That is what he has done for a living his entire adult life. Moreover, the films he narrates are created entirely by a state broadcasting institution – one that has always been in the pocket of the socialist Liberal Party of Canada, which until recently clutched the reigns power in a way that would have impressed Enver Hoxha. Canadians, however, are clearly waking up from a four-decade-long daymare and starting to see through the illusions woven by these socialists – which of course inevitably includes fake science in the service of powerful, elitist self-appointed social engineers.
Thanks for head’s-up re link. Here’s what I was talking about: Poll showing public concern rising over AGW.
Suzuki is gradually realizing that the CAGW fight is lost as he is now moving on to advocating more control over energy for reasons other than AGW.
“Energy is at the heart of modern society’s needs, but when the source is finite, it seems foolish to be hell-bent on using it up in a few generations, leaving the problems of depletion and pollution to our children and grandchildren. The longer we delay implementing solutions to our energy challenges the more costly and difficult it will be when we have to face the inevitable.”
His view of “energy solutions” is of course more government planning, control and taxation.
Matt G says:
March 9, 2012 at 3:31 pm
@Sparks
“Typical of someone calling others that themselves can’t demonstrate any truth.”
Matt G. good call… I think!! (or do I?)
David Suzuki should be crying himself to sleep within the hour.
The MSM and all their acolytes just don’t get it. They will continue to bleed listeners, watchers and readers until they start telling us the truth again. Until they start reporting news. Until investigative journalism comes back. They are supposed to be the 4th estate, to watch those in power, to act as a check on those in power. Instead they have become in thrall to those in power.
So for now we just get our news from sources we can trust. Why do you think Fox News in the US has 4x the viewership than any of the other MSM news sources.
I’ve read recently that Canada and Australia both now have their own type of Fox News. So hopefully the MSM media monopoly is being broken.
Apple Computer’s 1984 ad comes to mind.
Cheers!
Anthony-
Have you changed the format of the comment section? Comments now are in all-caps and in a very faint typeface on my monitor. Is it WUWT or a trick of my confuser?
IanM
That’s funny, my initial glance at that picture had me thinking, “haha, another hilarious skeptic cartoon taking the piss out of alarmists”; then, “what, it’s real??!”
There would have been much more substance to the message had Suzuki said something like “Forgive Forgivers their right to Forgive”.
That would have made a whole lot more sense, especially coming from a guy that (as far as I can tell) hasn’t added one iota to the science of climate.
“Deny Deniers Their Right To Deny!”
Modern environmental fascism on display for all to see.
Unfortunately for Mr. Suzuki, we here in the U.S. take our liberty and freedom VERY seriously. And that’s one reason we have a second amendment…