I’ve had a change of heart. I’ve been sent some new data, after seeing it, I’ve decided that The Heartland Institute is actually a terrible threat to science in the USA. As “Deep Throat” famously said (in the movie), “follow the money”. Well here it is, all laid out. I hope the public relations experts at DeSmog run this.
Oh, wait.
And actually, if you look at Heartland’s Gleick-grabbed budget plan, the actual numbers spent on climate programs are a fraction of that 6.5 million total budget.
No wonder our friends are so scared of Heartland, they are effective for next to nothing by comparison to US government climate programs. Thanks to Josh at cartoonsbyjosh.com for the artwork.
Those numbers look small compared to Australia’s new carbon tax. $14 billion of our taxes is about to be poured into climate nonsense, including our Climate Commissioner’s investments.
The “green” bay tree.
Anthony, you may want to consider a Reference Page item on “Climate Spending.”
Taking into account some of the fine ideas upthread, it would be a good ready reference for many of us wherever we are. Breakdowns by country (USA, Europe, Australia, etc); Type (government funded, private); Perspective (Pro-AGW, Pro-science) would be an eye opener for those on both sides of the debate I suspect. Keep up the good work!
Nice graphic, I always wondered what “off on a tangent would look like” if it could be put into a picture. That’s probably not all research but also some “education and camaign efforts” as well? Where’s the edcucation department budget that goes for this cause?
Do another two graphics. One for comparisonof domestic private budgets. Another combining all government and private climate to Heartland.
One small problem: I tried printing it, but there’s too much government spending to go on one letter sized page.
When the Occupy people said ‘we are the 99%’ is this what they meant?
UK Govt. to spend 700 Billion pounds (multiply by 1.7 to get dollars) by 2050.
Germany____
France______
EU______
Italy_______
Spain_________
Greece (minus)_________
This above post and some comments highlight the fact that there is NO well funded denialist machine. It also highlights poorly funded sceptical independents. However, if you can find me the plentiful oil money I will gladly take it and continue sceptical.
John from CA says:
March 1, 2012 at 7:56 am
It might make more sense to compare Heartland to other privately funded groups like Green Peace?
Chris B says:
March 1, 2012 at 7:58 am
What about Greenpeace, WWF, Sierra Club, et al?
Chris B says:
March 1, 2012 at 8:01 am
What about the myriad NGO’s, University departments, MSM outlets, etc?
And many others, the true comparison should be privately funded vs privately funded (though we know most of these environmental groups get government money as well).
Totally unfair, the poor US Government is fighting the Heartland Institute practically by itself. You should have remembered to include Greenpeace, World Wildlife Fund and all of the other multi-million dollar NGO’s that help keep the fight alive. /sarc
W^3
Kasuha says:
March 1, 2012 at 11:35 am
“And unless you succeed in separating what’s spent on data and what’s spent on propaganda, you can’t simply put them side by side.”
You did state that HI does not just do climate stuff, as well, so the comparison holds.
Although, one could say that it doesn’t hold because gov agencies sees everything as climate stuff these days, even researching more climate friendly toilets, whereas HI actually do seperate their non-climate stuff.
It’s the same in EU. Actuall it is worse, apparently, becuase in EU you don’t get any money unless it is for climate related research, so now everything is climate stuff, even LEGO–who’ll now sport subsidies for sporting their own non-lego based, but climate friendly, wind mills.
So, essentially, every research between toys and data centers and coal-fired power plants and everything inbetween are now considered climate research, which would mean HI has the ginormous balls to keep things straight even though they’re fighting an uphill battle, where hill constitutes greens and their Big Gov Green money.
:p
But, using Mann’s Principal Component’s methodolgy, and sprinkle it with Trenbeth’s Feedbacks and voila Heartland actually spends 10 gadzillion dollars. Now that was easy.
I would just like to point out that a significant amount of the anonymous flaming of our blogs that is going on is probably being funded by defense and intelligence agencies.
Oh, there are also “multicultural” charities pouring money into “the cause” as well. I have some personal experience with these. (Not as a supporter, but just as a bystander.)
Then there is a class of organizations that virtually dwarfs all of this, and that is the campaign committees and the PACs.
We are being subjected to a pincer movement. The bulk of the resources being deployed are under our radar screen. Look alive.
RTF
@Steve from Rockwood
Steve from Rockwood says:
March 1, 2012 at 10:15 am
“A monkey is an individual who goes to the trouble of earning a Ph.D. only to graduate and happily work as a researcher where their interest in earning money far exceeds their interest in their research.”
I want to be careful how I phrase this because it is a sensitive subject…but here I go… How many Monkey’s earned their deferment…I mean the Ph.D.’s while others were choosing to serve, others had no choice, and others chose to deal with one of the most difficult decisions a 18 year old male is forced to make. My point, as a guy born on Veteran’s Day to a guy that was serving at the time, in the 60’s, I do not want to point fingers and any one individual. But academia is filled with Progressive thinking people…so make sure you Think Progress.
Monkey See Monkey Do!
The astonishing thing about this truly immense expenditure of public monies and resources in an effort to mitigate and prevent global warming and climate change is that “nobody” as in “nobody” seems to have been able to detect that it has made the slightest of differences to the global climate or changed the so called climate change trends in an even slightly detectable fashion.
In fact if we are to believe the warmistas unending and tired old refrain, the situation is deteriorating at an increasing [ but so far undetectable! ] rate with the promises of major weather and climate upheavals and catastrophes still to come as they have been firmly promised for the last couple of decades past. This despite those immense public monies being expended as demanded by those same warmista zealots to prevent that still to be seen, climate “catastrophe”.
Perhaps those same warmista zealots should explain to the tax paying public just what noticeable effect the massive expenditure of this public wealth has so far had on the global climate and just how much more will be required to first, have a detectable influence on the climate and secondly how much more public expenditure will be needed to start to really make a difference to the climate to prevent those future “climate catastrophes”.
After all it is the public’s wealth that the warmistas are proposing to and are already expending so the public, in the interest of full transparency, surely has a right to know.
I also expect to see some members of the porcine species passing me in my aircraft some time in the near future!
the untold billions, much of it taxpayer money, that go into CAGW annually only makes sense if the interested parties manage to get the CO2 Derivatives game into play, big-time. that’s where the trillions EXIST. just one example that i haven’t seen on the TV news:
28 Feb: Reuters: Carrick Mollenkamp: Exclusive: U.S. conducting criminal
Libor probe
The Justice Department is conducting a criminal probe into whether the
world’s biggest banks manipulated a global benchmark rate that is at the
heart of a wide range of loans and derivatives, from trillions of dollars of
mortgages and bonds to interest rate swaps, a person familiar with the
matter said.
While the Justice Department’s inquiry into the setting of the London interbank offered rate, or Libor, was known, the criminal aspect of the probe was not…
Several major global banks, including Citigroup Inc, HSBC Holdings Plc,
Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc and UBS AG, have disclosed that they have
been approached by authorities investigating how Libor is set…
The rate underpins $10 trillion in loans to consumers and companies and
another $350 trillion in derivatives…
The investigations are examining whether traders at the banks tried to
influence whether the rate went up or down…
Swiss bank UBS is playing a key role in the probes because it agreed to come
forward and cooperate in the inquiries…
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/28/us-libor-probe-idUSTRE81R1ZG20120228
I retained Kilimanjaro as that has received a lot
of publicity
http://foia2011.org/index.php?id=252
Amazing HI is such a threat. Is it because the govt is so fantasticslly inefficient that all those sums actually equal each other in what generates actual results, or the science actually stands on the side of HI and is obvious to the most casual observer, or a mixture of both?
ROM, no, no, no, the heat is building up very deep in the oceans somewhere, and up there in the sky too. Check the models. And of course you can’t see any changes for the better yet, because the work and the, ehem, money are barely enough to get things going. Which is why it would be foolish to stop now and to let all that’s been accomplished go to waste. In fact, things would go so much faster and better if we could just bypass inefficient national governments with unreliable electorates and assign the UN-IPCC with more control over legislative and executive powers, education, national policies and, oh, revenues too, of course; nothing beats centralized planning by dedicated scientists, professionals and hardworking administrators.
“Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.” – H. L. Mencken
“Nobody ever made money relying on the intelligence of American public.” – 21st Century Corrolary
Just a few days ago, Heartland did not have a PayPal donate button… now they do.
Since I won’t use my Visa card for any online activity, PayPal is my choice for anything web based.
Heartland just got another donation… good call, Heartland!
“Partisanship isn’t grounds for this type of firing.
Posted by: lance at March 1, 2012 2:39 PM ”
Yup. Just like weasel lawyer words.Only diff is,these are politician/lawyers beliveing the cAGW weasel words,and we all know how much a politician charges for their “expertise”!!
Darn…wrong c&p…should be……
“Luther Wu says:
March 1, 2012 at 7:55
All of those “might, may, maybe, could, possibly, extrapolated, expected, projected and probables” cost money.”
Andrew said March 1, 2012 at 11:03 am:
>@ur momisugly More Soylent Green
>Someone should do a follow up the the story on how the GM killed off the
>electric car 15+ years ago by controlling the patents for big cheap batteries…
>then selling the atents to Big Oil…ultimately to Chevron…that used to be
>Standard Oil, that allegedly killed of the electric streetcar in LA…
>The patents just got sold to BASF,
Should this be true, chances are that at least most of these patents have
expired. Patents have a time limit. All US patents with patent number less
han 5,000,000 expired on or before August 31, 2010. All US patents issued
on or before on or before June 6 1978 expired no later than 17 years after
their issue dates.
More recently. US patents have opportunity to be in force 20 years after
filing, and in some range of years longer of 20 years after non-provisional
filing and 17 years after issue, with some range years having rule of
whichever is longer. (Provisional filings in USA are discarded unless followed
by “full filings” no later than 1st anniversary thereof , or 1st business day after
a 1st anniversary on a non-business day, IIRC.)
This post somehow reminds me of the 50 million missing climate refugees. I don’t know why but it does.
1DandyTroll said in part, on March 1, 2012 at 11:21 am:
> 2. At about the same time every year there’s about the same type of
> storm, all residents tend to know this.
I see need for government spending to monitor and predict destructive
storms, because destruction and body count is mostly from localized or
small-region weather that does *not* occur in the same place every year.
For that matter, extreme storms do not occur every year. For example,
the early April 1974 tornado outbreak hitting Indiana hard, and the April
2011 tornado outbreak hitting Alabama hard.
The “Tristate Tornado” of March 18, 1925 has at least 1 record still
standing, and where it hit has seen nothing like it since. For that matter,
F5/EF5 tornadoes tend to occur at a rate around or under 10 per decade
worldwide, with over 96% of them in USA. At least 7 other of USA’s 50
states have since experienced at least one F5/EF5 tornado.
Hurricane Katrina is not something that occurs annually at some location.
The “Great Atlantic Hurricane of 1938” is still the worst in history where it
hit hard in New England. In most years since, none of New England got so
much as a gale force peak gust or 1 centimeter of rain from tropical
cyclones of any intensity.
Huricane Hazel hit Toronto in 1954, with “sustained hurricane force wind”,
and problematic flooding. Toronto since had much lesser but significant
impacts from two previously-hurricane storms – Hugo in 1989, and Isabel in
2003.
Detroit, Pittsburgh, NYC, Boston, Philadelphia, Wash-DC, Richmond Va and
their suburbs don’t have to face a hurricane or a dangerous tropical cyclone
or remnant thereof every year – for that matter, not even MIami. These areas
(except for Miami) have also been hit by blizzards – but most of these blizzard-
blasted places, in most years, don’t get a blizzard, maybe none of them do for
that for time requirement of blizzard (as opposed to “blizzard conditions at
times).
American weather (add to this nearby areas of Canada) is cranky. Lots of
bleep happens, but less frequently than annually even in all of Texas.