Bishop Hill writes (and I’ve reposted in entirety with apologies in advance):
Rep Edward Markey of Massachusetts has written to Heartland asking for them to document the inaccuracies in the Fakegate documents and asking for originals.
In a letter to Heartland Institute President Joseph Bast, Markey asked the group for an explanation of any inaccuracies in the leaked documents as well as accurate versions of those documents.
“These documents appear to indicate that the Heartland Institute is receiving large donations from corporations for the direct purpose of discrediting the mainstream science of climate change and has planned to engage in a campaign to undermine the teaching of well-established science at our public schools,” Markey, the top Democrat on the House Natural Resources Committee, said in the letter.
If I recall correctly, Heartland’s climate change activities were not actually corporate funded at all. What an extraordinary error to make.
I think it is probably worth Heartland documenting what is wrong in the fake document, since this is in the public realm. As to the real one, I suggest they tell him to mind his own business. Private matters should remain private.
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As per Bish’s second suggestion, Heartland isn’t even in Markey’s (D-Mass.) district. I’d tell him (in Brit parlance) to “bugger off”.
The first comment at The Hill from Ed Loftus rather says it all:
As others have pointed out, the Pro-AGW teaching, heavily promoted and subsidized by both government and private sources with financial and political intersts in promoting this theory dwarf the significance of this effort.
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Howard T. Lewis III says
“I was top ‘A’ in my logic class in college, and my parents did not raise liars.”
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Being able to define logic – isn’t the same as being able to apply logic.
Your post is my evidence.
Wow…. just… WOW!
Howard T. Lewis III says:
February 25, 2012 at 9:55 am
A stunning pair of statements. I too seriously question the number of students in your logic class, since you are clearly logic-challenged.
Do you ever proofread your posts?
You were studying what the hell it was you were building? Really? I, for one, don’t want you or anyone who thinks like you to be anywhere NEAR a nuclear facility of any sort, at any time, in any capacity. I’d be perfectly happy if the grid could be specially modified to eliminate any power that comes from nuclear plants from ever reaching you.
Thanks to the ill-informed anti-nuclear brigade, nuclear facilities that should NOT still be operating are still operating, since it’s almost impossible to get the required permissions to build new ones. And yet when something goes wrong with some 50s or 60s era technology (which is scheduled for decommissioning in mere months), that is somehow proof of the failure of the technology? Your logic-challenge apparently blinds you to the fact that this is a stunning SUCCESS story, nothing even remotely close to a failure.
Ditto on the spent fuel issue. Anti-nuclear loudmouths have blocked the reprocessing of spent fuel, a technology that would HUGELY reduce the danger of storing spent fuel. I hope you’re proud of that dubious achievement.
Another stunning stringing-together of sentences, that frankly boggles my mind. This from someone who once achieved an “A” in a logic course? Astounding.
Myrrh says:
February 25, 2012 at 10:20 am
Thank you for the link:
It states:
“Corey Husic, a student and trained Climate Presenter.”
This is Mr Gore’s program. http://presenters.climaterealityproject.org/
If only Corey saw the hypocrisy of his statements – directly out of the mouth of Mr Gore.
I get unsolicited email from Mr Gore and this group all the time, ever since the 24 hour goreglobaltron. I’m almost positive that they got my email address from my school: As I’ve never participated or even watched the goreathon and the sites I visit / post on… would not sell my email.
It might be interesting to find out via FOIA where Mr Gore got his email list for gorethon from?
It seems to have been attracted to youths in the education system.
I am a lifelong non-smoker. I don’t like being in other people’s smoke. I hate the stink of stale smoke on clothes and in rooms where there has been a smoker. “Live and let live” but I’m quite amenable to smoking being subject to negative public stigma. And, of course, it’s intuitively obvious that 2nd hand smoke must increase the risk of lung cancer.
Then I came across this :
http://www.davehitt.com/facts/
I can’t fault the logic. Maybe Heartland were right on this topic after all !
kim2ooo says:
February 25, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Myrrh says:
February 25, 2012 at 10:20 am
Thank you for the link:
It states:
“Corey Husic, a student and trained Climate Presenter.”
This is Mr Gore’s program. http://presenters.climaterealityproject.org/
If only Corey saw the hypocrisy of his statements – directly out of the mouth of Mr Gore.
I get unsolicited email from Mr Gore and this group all the time, ever since the 24 hour goreglobaltron. I’m almost positive that they got my email address from my school: As I’ve never participated or even watched the goreathon and the sites I visit / post on… would not sell my email.
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kim2ooo says:
February 25, 2012 at 12:12 pm
It might be interesting to find out via FOIA where Mr Gore got his email list for gorethon from?
It seems to have been attracted to youths in the education system
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That’s very worrying Kim, especially if obtained through schools – I hope you do investigate this further. Perhaps someone reading this or Anthony can suggest the quickest way for you to get this information.
If I recall, there was something about giving control of one’s emails to the Goreathon for the 24 hours? If one of your friends, or maybe even a teacher, did such a thing, then they would have a list of addresses from each of those.
Myrrh says:
February 25, 2012 at 2:58 pm
RG: “If I recall, there was something about giving control of one’s emails to the Goreathon for the 24 hours?”
Yes, this is what I got about sharing facebook, twitter etc:
Nicole Haber, Climate Reality
Dear kim [ redaccted ]
You are our voice — and we need you now more than ever. On September 14, starting at 7 p.m. Central Time, we will broadcast the reality of the climate crisis from around the globe for 24 hours straight. And to make sure this event gets the attention of the world, we need you to lend your voice to the cause.
Specifically, we would like to share your Twitter and Facebook influence. We have created an innovative tool that allows you to donate your accounts to the cause. If you choose to donate, we’ll be able to access your account to help you post information about the event to your friends and followers. Your donation starts on Sept. 13 and ends on Sept. 15 when the event is over.
Click below and authorize us to share our updates through your accounts.
Donate your Facebook Status and Twitter Feed.
Don’t worry — we won’t have access to any of your personal information. Your accounts will still work normally, and we will only post updates and important details a few times each hour. And if this whole thing doesn’t work for you, you can revoke our access at anytime.
What you’re doing is important. You’re lending your voice to ours and amplifying our message. If we want to share the truth about the climate crisis, we need your help.
Donate here: http://climaterealityproject.org/#donate-network
If you don’t have a Twitter or Facebook account, don’t fret. Anything you can do to help spread the word is immensely appreciated.
Thanks for your help,
Nicole Haber
Digital Director
The Climate Reality Project
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When Mr Watts did the article on goreathon, or maybe it was the experiment, I posted that Mr Gore’s Organization contacted me via my on-line email [ this one that I use here – my friends have my personal email – my school has this one ]…but I hadn’t ever been in contact with the organization.
I see only three possibilities.
1: School
2: Facebook sold out my email addy from a disused account.
3: My online email program sold them my email addy.
Dear kim2ooo, please remember that MANY scientists who monitored the cesstion of the Gulf of Mexico’s Loop Current predicted correctly, that considerable heat and momentum would be lost from the Gulfstream, which would caus a radical temperature drop in The North Atlantic Current and thus colder weather for western Europe this winter or maybe ALL of Europe or worse. The U.S. Senate signed off on the DH oil well blow out as being intentional, and numerous experts in the oil production field, as well as myself, found this to be the case. President Obummer gave BP a free ‘get out of jail free’ card and BP still hs declared that part of the GoM above anyone else’s jurisdiction. Obummer would lick your car tires if you told him to.
myrrh, gathering talent to drop what they are doing and watch the weather is fun or an insult. The U.S. Weather Service is just fine if regulated. Out door activities rely on accurate weather prediction. Following you to prove the sky is falling is to say the least, bizarre.
Recycling of spent fuel causes far more pollution than just storing the first level waste. Another unsurmountable problem, beyond spent fuel, is the FACT that superheated water takes on a completely different type of chemistry when exposed to its containments where it corrodes any and every material tested thus far. Way faster than was expected. If you do not have the education or experience to demonstrate reason and at least, adolescent maturity with these applied technologies, please restrain yourself until you can come up with TRUE information that will do people good. If you were molested by a priest, go legally mess him up and find freedom from your inner demons.
With regard to the ‘Global Warming’ scam, the managers of the satellite feeds and collection of weather station data tabulations found too many broken satellite sensors’ info included and too many new black asphalt parking lots and industrial sized air-conditioners built next to weather stations where the inordinate increases in tabulated data were incuded. They went elsewhere for employment.
Did this help?
Because of this sentence, in the above email, I doubt it was facebook.
“If you don’t have a Twitter or Facebook account, don’t fret. Anything you can do to help spread the word is immensely appreciated.”
I doubt my on-line email company would risk being part of a spam.
Howard T. Lewis III says:
February 25, 2012 at 5:48 pm
“Did this help?”
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[ fiddling with my tie ] Why yes, Ollie…it certainly does.
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“Gulf of Mexico’s Loop Current predicted correctly”
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Did they?
“Eddy Franklin” wasn’t predicted.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-09-28-loopcurrent28_ST_N.htm
http://i.usatoday.net/news/graphics/2010/0928-loop-current/loop.jpg
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“Dear kim2ooo, please remember that MANY scientists who monitored the cesstion of the Gulf of Mexico’s Loop Current predicted correctly, that considerable heat and momentum would be lost from the Gulfstream, which would caus a radical temperature drop in The North Atlantic Current and thus colder weather for western Europe this winter or maybe ALL of Europe or worse”
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You logic doesn’t hold
Right now the Arctic Oscillation is in a negative phase, which tends to favor colder than average weather in Europe and the U.S.
http://www.nc-climate.ncsu.edu/climate/patterns/NAO.html
AO and NAO is not new.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/30/land-surface-temp/
You can get records of them back to 1950 from here. http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/pna/nao.shtml
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“If you do not have the education or experience to demonstrate reason and at least, adolescent maturity with these applied technologies, please restrain yourself until you can come up with TRUE information that will do people good.”
Why not present your references for your “TRUE” information?
Thou shalt not incoherently blog. 😉
kim2ooo, thank you for your response. the source for my comment regarding the current destruction following the DH oil well blowout is infrared photos taken from the U.S. government satellite feed within less thasn one week of the situation unfolding. You can find them yourself @ur momisugly http://www.gov. This is 2 year old news, so google it up to your laptop. good for you. You care and you recheck . Right now, radiation emanating from Fukushima, a self destructing array of nuclear reators on the beach in Japan is being detected in levels previously deemed pathenogenic per U.S. government and Dr. Linus Pauling’s reserch group. Obummer did not want to offend his GE buddies so the U.S. government may be considered retarded and armed.
Anyone want to bet that “Howard T. Lewis III” is a sock for “A physicist”?
The “ZOMG Fukushima is the end of the world!!!!!” tirade is the one he was making when I first encountered him, and the Deep Horizon spill was apparently his hobby horse before that.
Rob Crawford? Never heard of him.
Don’t listen to Rob Crawford. He is a liar. I could go on. Parents, that sort of thing.
Dr. Linus Pauling won a real Nobel Peace Prize for determining extended exposure to even low levels of radioactivity causes cancers. Over 10,000 deaths were caused to neonates of the Pacific northwest by the initial burst of radiation. Heart damage, especially in newborns and fetuses, is killing many newborns and causing many thyroid cancers in Japan now. The reactors went into complete meltdown within an hour or two of the tsunami and at least one reactor’s fuel and spent fuel is as much as 40 feet below their containment building. The emission of radiation is a serious worry and Rob Crawford pleasures himself too much to deal with reality.
It is good advice to pick up a geiger counter and learn its use and details about the Fukushima fallout. Do your homework and live in paradise, even if retarded idiots, like Rob, destroy your neighborhood by being careless with such an extremely dangerous technology such as fission power used in commercial applications.
Howard T. Lewis III says:
February 25, 2012 at 9:55 am
The fact that spent fuel must be managed for thousands of years is a political problem, not a physics one. The fuel should be reprocessed, not stored.
If you think what happened at Fukishima is remotely relevant to any other nuclear plant on the planet, you are delusional.
It was an old plant. It got hit by a 9.0 earthquake followed by a 30 foot tsunami. The tsunami took out the back up generator which wasn’t placed high enough or in a water tight structure.
Even for those few plants that are at risk for tsunamis, a simple fix, costing a few 10’s to maybe $100K dollars will make a repeat impossible. Just harden the structure protecting the back up generator.
Rob Crawford says:
February 26, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Distinct possibility. Even the rambling style, lots of words, that don’t make any sense, is the same.
Smokey-170 in the logic class.
Code tech. Ihave been hep to breeder reactors for 40 years. The pollution involved with breeder reactors and the resultant recycled fuel is a magnitude or two messier and more lethal and dangerous than first generation nuclear fuel. Your logic is defective . Inserting and removing relevant true premises to make points does not wash, and implies efforts to deceive.
kim2ooo to get the ‘A’, of course you must prove ability to apply logic and avoid emotion since it fogs the mind and taints the arguement. I later earned 5 ASE certifications.
True, my grandfather smoked until he was 93 and he had a half finished pack of Salem cigarettes at his bedside when he died. True, we are all born with tiny genetic errors here and there which our body’s repair system deals with without pills or any therapy. Did I say smoking results in cancer in everybody? NO. I said smoking causes cancer. You just wanted attention to calm your feelings of anxiety or you are being paid to fog the debate.
NUCLEAR POWER AS WATER BOILING FISSION REACTIONS IS INSANE, and stupid. There have been numerous deaths from radiation exposure in experimental facilities(laboratories) and prototypes. Dr. Linus Pauling won awards and medals from The National Academy of Sciences and a real Nobel Peace Prize for his proof of low levels of radiation causing cancer. Do your home work and be serious about this stuff. Your parents were slobs. I make grammatical errors because some of you fools warrant scant attention. You should study this field for a few years, then report your views if you learned anuthing and believe someone is wrong. Throwing insults or feces is monkey business.
Climate change is based on fraudulent data input and tabulations, as testified to and written about by insiders and as actual produced records prove beyond any doubt. A special production of fraudulent data is the entire arguement for ‘Global Warming’.. Al’D’Gore got a ‘D’ in his ONLY college science class. It was called ‘Natural Science’. My big gripe is that Markey is in way over his head for this committee.As Al ‘D’ Gore is trying to pass himself off as a scientist. I ALMOST voted for him before I heard of him referred to as a “repilian”, a metphor that I checked out. Thank YOU David Icke. He is a bloody reptilian.
kim2ooo, your reference and viewpoint speaks of aspects of AIR CURRENTS. The Gulf of Mexico Loop Current, Gulfstream, North Atlantic Current and the Labrodor Current are all WATER CURRENTS, which by virtue of heat capacity superiority over air by an order of many magnitudes, carry on a heat transfer from tropical zones to northern,and southern latitudes with a mind of their own due to the coriolis affect. Yes, heat rises, but the ‘upness’ of the north pole is an ‘upness’ because of your relationship in space to the globe or map you are looking at. The South Atlantic current transfers heat south along the African coast.
Why do you want to slap ME? I’m not the crook here.