Rep Edward Markey sticks his nose into private business

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Bishop Hill writes (and I’ve reposted in entirety with apologies in advance):

Politicians notice Fakegate

Rep Edward Markey of Massachusetts has written to Heartland asking for them to document the inaccuracies in the Fakegate documents and asking for originals.

In a letter to Heartland Institute President Joseph Bast, Markey asked the group for an explanation of any inaccuracies in the leaked documents as well as accurate versions of those documents.

“These documents appear to indicate that the Heartland Institute is receiving large donations from corporations for the direct purpose of discrediting the mainstream science of climate change and has planned to engage in a campaign to undermine the teaching of well-established science at our public schools,” Markey, the top Democrat on the House Natural Resources Committee, said in the letter.

If I recall correctly, Heartland’s climate change activities were not actually corporate funded at all. What an extraordinary error to make.

I think it is probably worth Heartland documenting what is wrong in the fake document, since this is in the public realm. As to the real one, I suggest they tell him to mind his own business. Private matters should remain private.

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As per Bish’s second suggestion, Heartland isn’t even in Markey’s (D-Mass.) district. I’d tell him (in Brit parlance) to “bugger off”.

The first comment at The Hill from Ed Loftus rather says it all:

As others have pointed out, the Pro-AGW teaching, heavily promoted and subsidized by both government and private sources with financial and political intersts in promoting this theory dwarf the significance of this effort.

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Kaboom

The honorable representative from the People’s Republic of Massachusetts seems to be inclined to make political hay. Maybe he’d like to publish his donor list and tell us who called him up to point him to this opportunity to appear in front of cameras.

Jenn Oates

Yeah, and when they do tell him to bugger off, he’ll whine about how HI surely must have something to hide or they’d be more transparent.
Sure. That’ll work! Go right on ahead and triple quadruple quintuple down, people. I’ve got plenty of popcorn and Diet Coke.

SandyInDerby

I guess this means that he isn’t concerned about all the nefarious methods used to get the information from Heartland in the first place, nor who forged the document.
Bugger off right enough.

Elftone

Markey is going to look stupid when the policy document is proven to have been faked. Still, I am not surprised by this particular representative’s actions, considering his track record.
Whilst I applaud people for having the courage of their convictions, I do not understand why so many are nailing their colours to the mast of the already-reefed ship. Unless Peter Gleick intended to become a martyr all along…

MarkW

How does one produce an accurate version of a faked document?

1DandyTroll

Why would he be so numb to assert that the fake ducument had an original document it was based upon?
And for the rest, they get money donated to them to debate their opposition, they kind of state that on their front who’s-who-and-why page.

GogogoStopSTOP

This has to be a fake. No United States Congressional Representative would write to private citizens, write to a private organization asking, yeah, demanding confidential information. Has Representative Markey gone completely bonkers!? Is he insane, delusional, has his ethics lapsed?
Unheard of, unbelievable… ! Thank God I just got finished sending my contribution in to the HI’s website! I’m going back for another contribution.
John Bast… tell him to shove it! Tell him to see your lawyer! Astonishing!

Mike Wryley

I see the problem, this man uses AP and msnbc as his source material
Unless eddy malarkey has a subpoena concernig federal crimes, I don’t believe that having a particular view on a scientific matter is any of his damn business

AlexW
Henry chance

Have Heartland return his letter and tell him to prove he is not a fake.
Markey is crazy. He admitted he never read the cap and tax legislation with his name on it. Why does he need confidential documents that are none of his business?

sailboarder

HI needs to request an opportunity to appear publicly and to read the response into the Congressional record. All of HI works need to be detailed, including conferences, debates etc. There is no way HI can lose by tabling its climate efforts. A list of total funding of the warmista side needs to be outlined as a comparison to HI funding.
The Anthony Watts project needs to be fully explained as to how it is better SCIENCE that is being funded.
Good luck.

Markus Fitzhenry

Considering the matter has been refereed to the FBI, Edward J Markey is on tender ground regarding the perversion of justice.
Even if there are no charges yet laid there is a criminal investigation under way. Edward J Markey should be very wary of the separation of Judiciary and State. He will be criticized for this involvement.
I would recommend the repose by Heartland be couched in terms of a cease & desist threat wrapped up with a accusation his involvement can be seen as an attempt to pervert justice.
In the world of Justice, AGW will receive blows it will not recover from.

Paul Westhaver

I hope they (all the green liars) all weigh in…
This will all come out in the wash. That is what discovery is for.

Jeff Wiita

Start asking where the EPA grants are? Maybe Rep Markey knows?

u.k.(us)

Pretty soon the FBI will have no choice, they will have to investigate.
Or are they officially investigating now ?

Joe Bast should tell him they’ll trade a copy of a list of what’s fake for the original envelope mailed to Peter Gleick containing said fake document and a copy of Markey’s letter to the Pacific Institute asking to see same, since surely, if Markey is investigating, he is investigating all parties equally.

Jake

I just couldn’t resist the story on The Hill. Some commenter named Frank was posting strawmen about the “science is settled” and the quote from Lindzen’s presentation is so apt:
“Stated briefly, I will simply try to clarify what the debate over climate change is really about. It most certainly is not about whether climate is changing: it always is. It is not about whether CO2 is increasing: it clearly is. It is not about whether the increase in CO2, by itself, will lead to some warming: it should. The debate is simply over the matter of how much warming the increase in CO2 can lead to, and the connection of such warming to the innumerable claimed catastrophes. The evidence is that the increase in CO2 will lead to very little warming, and that the connection of this minimal warming (or even significant warming) to the purported catastrophes is also minimal. The arguments on which the catastrophic claims are made are extremely weak – and commonly acknowledged as such. They are sometimes overtly dishonest.”

Mesa Econoguy

This could be a legal trigger; I strongly urge Heartland caution here, especially with Markey, and the “legal” left.
After compliance with this request, I would suggest another line of inquiry: Given Mr. Gleick’s apparent misbehavior, why was he and his institution the recipient of almost half a million dollars in taxpayer grants?
http://junkscience.com/2012/02/22/epa-gave-gleicks-group-468000-in-grants/
And then I would contact Sen. James Inhofe’s office.
Hypothetically speaking, of course…

Glenn

“Large” donations?? This cockroach doesn’t even bother to put lipstick on.

JJ

“These documents appear to indicate that the Heartland Institute is receiving large donations from corporations for the direct purpose of discrediting the mainstream science of climate change and has planned to engage in a campaign to undermine the teaching of well-established science at our public schools,” Markey, the top Democrat on the House Natural Resources Committee, said in the letter.
If I were Heartland, I would send a subpoena to Malarkey, demanding that he provide any and all copies of alleged Heartland documents in his posession. And I would demand that DOJ send Malarkey an order not to destroy any emails or other materials in his posession relating to “climate change”.
Then put out a press release: Given that none of the documents alleged to be from Heartland and thus far released show any large corporate donations for global warming, Malarkey clearly has access to additonal fabricated materials, and his ties to the criminals should be investigated.

ChE

One suggestion for the Bish: translate “bugger off” into American English.

Alcheson

Mark says:
“How does one produce an accurate version of a faked document?”
Easy, send an empty envelope! 🙂

LMAO!!!! Go Heartland!!! Yet another lunatic lefty to make look ridiculous!
Anthony, and Bish….. I might swipe this as well, with my apologies……
My perspective is, I wouldn’t tell Markey to “bugger off” per se. I’d antagonize and have him state something very vapid. (well, more vapid than what he just did.) Then publicize it.
You can be sure he will, because these lunatics perceive themselves as possessors and guardians of truth, but clearly they possess only hubris and sophistry. One or two back and forths, and you know something incredibly stupid will come out of his mouth. Done……. another trophy on the wall for HI.

David L

Amazing that people have a problem/ make an ussue of HI receiving money. Exactly what does everyone else receive for doing their work? The govt spends trillions on stuff, the AGW research world wide receives billions, Mann receives millions.
Can we all just take the money argument off the table? The only folks not receiving a dime are the multitude of people that post comments to blogs.

Scott Covert

So Markey is heading up his own House investigation into Fakegate?
The whole thing sounds very illegal.
Mr Representative, whom are you representing?

The other good news here is if Sen. Markey makes a big deal about this the mass media will not be able to ignore the story any more. They will twist it as best they can but it will enter the general news cycle which will only hurt the AGW advocates in the long run.
This may be another self inflicted wound for AGW if he presses the issue.
Larry

David L

I hope JoE Bast reenacts the Howard Hughes congressional hearing debacle. Expose them all as blithering idiots.

Old Nanook

Heartland should check with Chairman Doc Hasting’s office to determine if it has any obligation to respond to Congressman Markey. As the Ranking Minority Member of the House Resources Committee, I don’t believe Congressman Markey has the ability to compel much of anything.

MarkW

“These documents appear to indicate that the Heartland Institute is receiving large donations from corporations for the direct purpose of discrediting the mainstream science of climate change and has planned to engage in a campaign to undermine the teaching of well-established science at our public schools,”
Even if this were what HI is doing, and it isn’t, so what?
THere is nothing illegal in this complaint.

Al Gored

“Rep Edward Markey sticks his nose into private business”
Next up? Markey’s partner Waxman sticks his snout in?

Rep Edward Markey,,,,, My “He”ro!!!!!
Signed, “Peter Gleick”!

Charles Gerard Nelson

Warmists have recently been comparing Climategate to Fakegate.
Let’s look at that.
Climategate emails reveal the communications of ‘s’cientists who in private are deeply uncertain and divided about the reality of global warming. In those emails they ‘fudge’, conspire and bully colleagues to ‘toe the party line.’ Then publicly pronounce their lies.
Now if Gleick had found secret email exchanges between members of Heartland admitting in private that Global Warming was REAL, but in PUBLIC saying that it was a hoax…now that would have been a ‘scoop’!
Heartland is anti the global warming hoax, openly, consistently and honestly.
Furthermore It’s a private organization….at least they weren’t wasting taxpayers money in the promotion of their hoax.
Warmism is so riddled with professional ‘advocates’ paid for by EPA Grants, George Soros etc etc that they simply cannot imagine that the opposition (which is giving them a sound thrashing) consists, in the main, of independent, scientifically literate ‘amateurs’ – ie people who do something for the love of it!

climatebeagle

No way should anyone be forced to point out inaccuracies in a fake document (item b in the letter). That would set a terrible precedence, such fake documents should just be “struck from the record”.

Al Gored

On the very bright side, this could lead to a full investigation into who is providing misleading information to schools.
There is no upside to this for the AGW Team or their apologists, and they are just too plain stupid to realize it – probably because they have gotten away with so much deception in the past.
What these Climate Change fools fail to understand is Political Change, and the inevitable consequences of crying wolf every time anyone sees a poodle..

Jake

@David L
“Can we all just take the money argument off the table? The only folks not receiving a dime are the multitude of people that post comments to blogs.”
I get 10 cents off per gallon of gas for every $100 I spend at my local ^*(^&^*^*^ grocery store.
OMG, I am funded by BOTH “Big Oil” and “Big Ag”.
Oh well, I guess I’ll just have to drink more ethanol!

GogogoStopSTOP

@JJ says:
February 24, 2012 at 3:21 pm
“Malarkey clearly has access to additonal fabricated materials, and his ties to the criminals should be investigated”
Brilliant!

Mesa Econoguy

So there’s a little more here, if Steve Milloy is correct:
http://junkscience.com/2012/02/24/more-grants-to-gleick-scrubbed-from-epa-grants-database/
Apparently, EPA, fresh off their Solyndra black eye, may be scrubbing grant info (legally disclosable) from their site.
If so, goodbye Steve Chu, goodbye Eric Holder, goodbye Barry O.
This administration appears to be filled with liars and fabricators, which will be proven in court. Pick one.

A physicist

[snip – this is ridiculous, accusatory, and inflammatory, and you don’t have a clue about private business, since you work for a University, I suggest you not comment further – Anthony]

old44

I’d tell him (in Brit parlance) to “bugger off”.
Most Poms I know would not use the word “bugger”, two letters too many and doesn’t rhyme with “duck”

View from the Solent

ChE says:
February 24, 2012 at 3:21 pm
One suggestion for the Bish: translate “bugger off” into American English.
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Not sure if this will get through but, it’s a milder version of ‘go away and fornicate’.

Howard T. Lewis III

it is almost 2 years gone since I last used the word ‘poltroon’. That was aimed at Markey back then. Here is a pretty mama’s boy who pouts on cue as his blow against criminal misconduct and catestrophically destructive idiocy. The BP well has dealt a severe blow against status quo business and survival in America with an obvious beneficiary convincing president Obummer to shut up and sit down. Then Obummer signed a pardon, against enough evidence to convict someone for 11 counts of first degree murder. Meanwhile Markey pouted because his expertise is not geology, engineering, or ANY atmospheric science. True the gas frackers belong in prison and respect needs to be shown to congress on demand. BP’s Deepwater Horizon site is still spewing oil from an intentional destructive blowout. And what does Markey do in defense of his constituents and the rest of the American people and the world? He pouts and prances for more money. He is done pouting about the oil well blow out. He did not understand it then, and he does not understand it now. A ten year-old could lie him out of the park on this.

wwb

I don’t normal reply here, but this just made me laugh. http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/Grijalva%20Letter%20to%20Hastings%20and%20Markey%20on%20Indur%20Goklany%20Feb%2022.pdf
It stated that: “Greenpeace letter points out, employees of federal agencies are specifically warned not to take payment from outside organizations, particularly for “teaching, speaking and writing that relates to [their] official duties.” and he calls for hearing on Indur Goklany, the Assistant Director of Programs, Science and Technology Policy at the Department of the Interior getting paid from Heartland $1,000 a month for a chapter in a book. Can you imagine the Republicans response, James Hansen NASA millions in speaking fees!

kwik

I believe Ed Markey is going through the same process as any religious doomsday cult is going through when the alledged doomsday date is arriving, and nothing happens.
Slowly they discover that ….it was a lie!
What to do?

Steve

Remember. If the dem’s re-take the House in November, characters like Markey will be in the majority and will use their subpoena powers to call Heartland into this star chamber.

Ian W

JJ says:
February 24, 2012 at 3:21 pm

That is a most excellent suggestion – I do hope someone from HI (or Anthony) has taken note.

Mardler

To use another Brit aphorism (coz I are one) – Markey is bonkers.
He really should bugger off.

Alan Watt

Some people here seem to be itching for a fight just for the sake of a fight. HI and Bast should welcome the opportunity to raise their profile. As a Democrat in the Republican-controlled house, Markey doesn’t chair any committees, so Bast should be assured of at least an even field. Bast should ask for an opportunity to testify in open session before one of Markey’s committees on exactly what HI does and compare that with other advocacy groups. Heck, he should even request the same invitation be extended to Gleick and the Pacific Institute. That way there could actually be the public debate Gleick declined before.
I bet 60 minutes of research will disclose multiple liberal organizations engaging in exactly the same activities as HI, to which Rep. Markey either belongs, or contributes, or serves on the board. It would sure make an interesting recital.
Or perhaps not. It’s been documented that liberal Democrats are mostly generous with other people’s money. Maybe Markey doesn’t share of his personal time, talent and treasure with anyone. That too would make an interesting recital.
In playing bridge, you always rejoice when your opponents lead into your strong suit, or a void you can trump. The issue of sources and extent of funding for advocacy groups in the Global Warming debate is a lead HI can trump all day. Like others obsessed with this issue, Rep. Markey is leading with his chin. When your opponents insist of making blunders, let them.

Phil R

James Sexton says:
February 24, 2012 at 3:25 pm
LMAO!!!! Go Heartland!!! Yet another lunatic lefty to make look ridiculous!
Anthony, and Bish….. I might swipe this as well, with my apologies……
My perspective is, I wouldn’t tell Markey to “bugger off” per se. I’d antagonize and have him state something very vapid. (well, more vapid than what he just did.) Then publicize it.
You can be sure he will, because these lunatics perceive themselves as possessors and guardians of truth, but clearly they possess only hubris and sophistry. One or two back and forths, and you know something incredibly stupid will come out of his mouth. Done……. another trophy on the wall for HI.
Too bad it’s not Biden. Something incredibly stupid would be a given.

Alan Watt

David L says:
February 24, 2012 at 3:25 pm

Can we all just take the money argument off the table? The only folks not receiving a dime are the multitude of people that post comments to blogs.

I don’t know about you, but I get paid per word by the Koch brothers.
/sarc, in case you needed it.

wwb

I found this and wonder how James Hansen gets around this?
http://www.justice.gov/jmd/ethics/generalf.htm