Bishop Hill writes (and I’ve reposted in entirety with apologies in advance):
Rep Edward Markey of Massachusetts has written to Heartland asking for them to document the inaccuracies in the Fakegate documents and asking for originals.
In a letter to Heartland Institute President Joseph Bast, Markey asked the group for an explanation of any inaccuracies in the leaked documents as well as accurate versions of those documents.
“These documents appear to indicate that the Heartland Institute is receiving large donations from corporations for the direct purpose of discrediting the mainstream science of climate change and has planned to engage in a campaign to undermine the teaching of well-established science at our public schools,” Markey, the top Democrat on the House Natural Resources Committee, said in the letter.
If I recall correctly, Heartland’s climate change activities were not actually corporate funded at all. What an extraordinary error to make.
I think it is probably worth Heartland documenting what is wrong in the fake document, since this is in the public realm. As to the real one, I suggest they tell him to mind his own business. Private matters should remain private.
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As per Bish’s second suggestion, Heartland isn’t even in Markey’s (D-Mass.) district. I’d tell him (in Brit parlance) to “bugger off”.
The first comment at The Hill from Ed Loftus rather says it all:
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Markey goes after the victim.
The guy is an imbecile, thankfully he is not in law enforcement, a guy like this wouldn’t be long sending a letter to a rape victim asking why they wore a certain type of attire. Heartland Institute were the victims of a crime, part of the crime has already been admitted by thee fraudster, but Markey goes after the victim. He needs to resign. He also needs to be reported to the Attorney General for interfering in and politicizing a crime.
“and the inevitable consequences of crying wolf every time anyone sees a poodle..”
Miniature or toy?
“True the gas frackers belong in prison and respect needs to be shown to congress on demand. BP’s Deepwater Horizon site is still spewing oil from an intentional destructive blowout. ”
I really, really, hope that all of the above is sarcasm, because none of it is true.
Normally i would expect the Brits to be stingy with their words — bugger off is too long. F-OFF is much more appropriate.
I don’t know about you, but I get paid per word by the Koch brothers.
/sarc, in case you needed it.
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Me too.
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‘Robertvdl says:
February 25, 2012 at 3:48 am
Without it WUWT would not exist. Don’t forget that in their point of view WE are the extremist WE are engaged in a campaign to undermine the teaching of well-established science WE should be on Permanent Time Out (PTM) so We should have the moral high ground even if it hurts.’
A physicist is one of WE. Sometimes WE babel to the extent that understanding cannot be heard.
Anthony knows of the tower of babel and will not be one.
It’s the etiquette of the restaurant, and fine dining we partake because of it. Bad luck for perverted free speech.
Perversions WE have none here.
Howard T. Lewis III says:
February 24, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Second hand smoke is not dangerous, and there is no scientific evidence that shows otherwise.
Howard T. Lewis III says:
February 24, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Fission nuclear power plants are insane.
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NOt even remotely true.
“Perversions WE have none here.”
Speak for yourself.
To Ed Markey;
I just donated $25 to Heartland, and encourage others to do the same.
Yes, I know, it isn’t much, but if we are many, maybe it is of help.
Let us help Heartland to encourage to open debate.
Help us all to get the Gleick’s out in the open, to discuss the scientific basis of the Catastrophic
Antropogenic Global Warming Alarmism.
Even Norwegians (me) donate, so why don’t you?
Representative Markey has requested a letter regarding funding in the climate debate. Perhaps a letter detailing the publicly known funding of Gleick, Hanson, Mann, etc. would be useful for the representative. After all, he is looking for large contributions.
Myrrh, your post’s skeptical assertion is among the flimsiest that has ever passed unchallenged on WUWT. For one scientific disproof of smoking skepticism (among hundreds), see the free-as-in-freedom scientific study Twenty-four year mortality in World War II US male veteran twins discordant for cigarette smoking.
JJ says:
… send a subpoena to Malarkey, demanding that he provide any and all copies of alleged Heartland documents in his posession. And … demand that DOJ send Malarkey an order not to destroy any emails or other materials in his posession relating to “climate change”.
Be still my beating heart! Can you imagine what Markey’s emails and other materials relating to “climate change” would show? Suddenly I know how Peter Gleik must have felt when he saw the Heartland Institute’s documents in his (fraudulent) mailbox. The difference is that Markey’s documents would be better that anything a “denier” could ever forge.
JJ you’re brilliant! To the Heartland Institute: Oh please, oh please, oh please.
Tell Markey that he should try to get copies from the DOJ since the FBI is now investigating.
Since the DOJ has been stonewalling Congress on a whole host of investigations, this should end the matter completely.
Dear Senator Markey.
Thank you for trying to publicly expose this fake document to the public.
I’m sorry we don’t have an original of the fake document. It could have been sent to Mr Mann at the Virginia University, where he worked, as our staff was pretty shaken after the phishing attack.
Please send us ALL emails of Mr Mann’s so we can pick which one is the fake you wish to see.
Sincerely,
Has he also asked the IPCC to document the inaccuracies in their documents?
It seems my comment immediately after the flap began that it would substantially benefit HI is already coming true, if the number of new donors popping up everywhere is any indication. As for the abusive idiot Markey, I think a 3 word reply would do: “By what authority?”
I think it implies intimate interaction with a male’s fundament.
Too bad about the thread highjack onto tobacco effects, but there’s a report out (will post a link if I can recover it) suggesting that there’s about a 50:50 split of those with and without a particular mutation of a lung surfactant/enzyme that transforms certain smoke components into oncogenic chemicals. If you’ve got it, then even a brief period smoking will likely set off the lung-cancer-cascade. If you don’t, you can smoke till your 90s without cancerous consequences. (Other effects on the heart etc. are distinct issues and problems, of course.)
contributions.
A physicist says:
February 25, 2012 at 7:57 am
Myrrh says: There is no proof even that smoking causes lung cancer.
Myrrh, your post’s skeptical assertion is among the flimsiest that has ever passed unchallenged on WUWT. For one scientific disproof of smoking skepticism (among hundreds), see the free-as-in-freedom scientific study Twenty-four year mortality in World War II US male veteran twins discordant for cigarette smoking.
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What don’t you get about this?? The claim that “smoking causes lung cancer” isn’t proven. That some people get cancer and are smokers is a fact, it is also a fact that thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of smokers, millions, billions, never get cancer. What’s the percentage of smoker’s who get cancer?
I get really fed up with agenda driven science, even more so when driven by people with some belief that they have the right to play God and interfere in other people’s lives.
This man has made a career of being wrong.
His arrogant ignorance would be amusing if he had to work for a living.
I was top ‘A’ in my logic class in college, and my parents did not raise liars. Though it may be possible that the additives in tobacco further augment the carcinogenic substances in tobacco, the tobacco is the main cause.
I also was an engineer’s assistant and head draftsman at a fission nuclear plant, as well as studying wht the hell it was we were building. Nuclear plants are insane, first of all because of the need to manage spent fuel for thousands of years, It must be stored in demineralized water which must be changed out periodically. The radioactivity emitted from Fukushima is enough to convince even the most depraved wanker that these plants are incredibly dangerous to consider and lethal once completed.
Please do your homework before you talk to me. Loud mouth liars FAIL. That is why Heartland Institute needs to have their feet held to the fire. Promo B.S. can be deadly to a naive mind, these two wankers who attacked my input, for example. the ‘global warming’ scene is to swindle tx dollars and any others into the coffers of European royalty, who are losing their grip over their bling. Heartland Institute FAIL.
Howard T. Lewis III says:
“I was top ‘A’ in my logic class in college, and my parents did not raise liars.”
Perhaps you were the only member in your logic class? That would make you the top – and the bottom, too. Perhaps your parents raised an honest buffoon?
Note that the number of people killed in U.S. nuclear power plant accidents is zero. However, people have been killed in wind turbine accidents. By your own logic, wind power is infinitely more dangerous than nuclear power. With such a major logic FAIL, perhaps you need a remedial course.
think it implies intimate interaction with a male’s fundament.
Brian H says:
February 25, 2012 at 9:27 am
Too bad about the thread highjack onto tobacco effects,
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Not really a thread hijack – Heartland is being castigated for supporting conflicting science re smoking and cancer, and people use this to justify their own complete lack of investigation. This speaks to same ‘consensus’ mentality, of people jumping onto bandwagons pretending the high moral ground as they’ve done supporting the fraudulent AGW claims – they attack any pointing out that it’s promoted by continued deceit and glide over the still ongoing examples of the many forms that deceit takes.
Someone posted this, sorry, so many threads…, http://forms.climaterealityproject.org/page/s/heartland?source=ads-content&subsource=OM_C3_google-p_Heartland-Trueview_parenting-interest&utm_source=YouTube&utm_medium=cpc&gclid=COXg19DNua4CFU2b7QodjQ0mOA
A 17 year old totally brainwashed with all the memes, but oh so sincere.
“……. I’m just a high school student, so please don’t take my word for it. Just ask any National Academy of Science in the world or just about any actual climate scientist.
Given who pays your bills, your plan doesn’t come as a surprise. According to your own documents, your organization is funded by coal and oil companies with a financial stake in denying climate science — not to mention tobacco companies that tried to convince us smoking doesn’t cause cancer.
My generation is already experiencing a very different climate from our parents and grandparents. We will be the ones responsible for making sure coastal cities are able to withstand rising sea levels. We are the ones who will have to protect ourselves from weather extremes like stronger hurricanes, longer droughts and hotter heat waves. Instead of trying to undermine the science that shows humans are causing climate change, we should be learning how those changes are going to affect us and what we can do about it. In other words, teach us something useful.
We respectfully demand that you cease and desist your effort to bring climate change denial into our schools.
Corey Husic
Age 17
Climate Presenter
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Howard T. Lewis III says [ … ]
I bet you think that makes sense.
Dear Mr. Markey:
It is our understanding that you are a member of an organization that attempted to bring down the duly elected United States government, replacing it with your own people, most recently in 2004 but also previously in 1984 and on several other occasions in previous years. This is a serious offense, and we demand you turn over all communication and documents that show or may show your affiliation with this organization. You are also required to name names of others you know who are or may be members of this cabal.