Bishop Hill writes (and I’ve reposted in entirety with apologies in advance):
Rep Edward Markey of Massachusetts has written to Heartland asking for them to document the inaccuracies in the Fakegate documents and asking for originals.
In a letter to Heartland Institute President Joseph Bast, Markey asked the group for an explanation of any inaccuracies in the leaked documents as well as accurate versions of those documents.
“These documents appear to indicate that the Heartland Institute is receiving large donations from corporations for the direct purpose of discrediting the mainstream science of climate change and has planned to engage in a campaign to undermine the teaching of well-established science at our public schools,” Markey, the top Democrat on the House Natural Resources Committee, said in the letter.
If I recall correctly, Heartland’s climate change activities were not actually corporate funded at all. What an extraordinary error to make.
I think it is probably worth Heartland documenting what is wrong in the fake document, since this is in the public realm. As to the real one, I suggest they tell him to mind his own business. Private matters should remain private.
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As per Bish’s second suggestion, Heartland isn’t even in Markey’s (D-Mass.) district. I’d tell him (in Brit parlance) to “bugger off”.
The first comment at The Hill from Ed Loftus rather says it all:
As others have pointed out, the Pro-AGW teaching, heavily promoted and subsidized by both government and private sources with financial and political intersts in promoting this theory dwarf the significance of this effort.
The ideal response is probably similar to the one posted here a few months back that starts with the line “Dear Ed Markey, I just thought you should know that some arsehole is impersonating you in the attached letter we recently received…”
I’m afraid that “FakeGate” will be remembered for something else:
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-hope-poster-artist-pleads-201620345.html
Though, since it proves yet another lefty will stoop to anything to get his way, I suspect this too will be swept under the rug.
I am well aware of a physicists thread bombing tactics and I thank you Anthony for your reply.
DaveE.
Markey is a dangerous man.
[REPLY: Uh, yeah, most legislators are. Care to elaborate? -REP]
OT but important tidbit….
The Chairman of the NRC Jaczko, used to work as a scientific advisor to Markey.
Anyone wonder why Jaczko didn’t vote for the licensing of the nuke plants in GA ?
You can expect Jackzo and Markey to work with the watermelons to try and stop these plants being built ?
Fission nuclear power plants are insane. Stop doing what you are doing to yourself and face facts.
The Heartland Institute is on the same side of the ‘global warming’ issue but not on the same page. Their attempts to debunk second hand cigarette smoke as safe were a sick attempt to create a cash flow at the American people’s expense. The same attitude is shown here. Issues of left wing or right wing are as pointless as conservative or liberal. This issue is a cash and carry issue being fogged by posing and building up politically based crapola at the loss of what the best solution should be.
Any body showing contempt of congress should be thrown in jail until they squawk. Markey is so totally unprepared and so outclassed being on this committee , he should humble himself and resign. His behavior, and Obummer’s during this ongoing Deepwater Horizon problem, warrant resignation and jail time. The media is running lies as news and the Amerixcan people are dancing around like young children at a back yard tea party while the house is being robbed. Congress and the White house are supposedto be there for us. They are not. They prance and mewl for campaign contributions for the Council on Foreign Relations, and say to hell with everybody else. See how rich the bad ones get. Not an issue of left or right. This is an issue of pigs in the parlor.
ChE says (February 24, 2012 at 3:21 pm): “One suggestion for the Bish: translate “bugger off” into American English.”
Translating loosely, it means “Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries!”
Al Gored says:
February 24, 2012 at 3:36 pm
“Rep Edward Markey sticks his nose into private business”
Next up? Markey’s partner Waxman sticks his snout in?
Henry Waxman is a “left coaster” and the star of this WUWT post:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/26/quote-of-the-week-5-waxmans-stunningly-stupid-statement/
…excellent Monty Python references aside…
This is VERY SERIOUS…The idea that a sitting member of Congress would demand this from anyone is SCARY.
I don’t care what issue or which political party. The fact that Heartland is even asked to respond would qualify as “abridging the freedom of speech”.
What do you expect from the State that gave us John Kerry, Michael Dukakis, and Ted Kennedy?
Seriously….
Markey is trying to elicit information that might help PG’s defense.
“One suggestion for the Bish: translate “bugger off” into American English.”
[Complicated Pictogram]
With apologies to pterry.
Howard T. Lewis III says:
February 24, 2012 at 9:12 pm
The Heartland Institute is on the same side of the ‘global warming’ issue but not on the same page. Their attempts to debunk second hand cigarette smoke as safe were a sick attempt to create a cash flow at the American people’s expense.
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Years and years ago when smoking hadn’t yet been banned from public places I read an interview in the Times with the doctor who started the “second hand smoke causes cancer”, don’t now recall his name. He said there was no such effect, that there were two types of lung cancer and non-smokers never got the kind that smokers got, but he was anti-smoking and had deemed the lie worth spreading for the cause..
There is a thirty year study from California which tracked illnesses of family members of those who had lung cancer, there was zilch to suggest that any such effect exists. Not only that, but there is no proof even that smoking causes lung cancer… several countries among the highest with smokers have the lowest incidence of lung cancer, look it up.
It may well not be great for your overall health, constantly taking in smoke and tars and whatever else is in cigarettes is going to affect the lung’s capacity to function properly, as working in any industry where the lungs are bombarded with particles of one kind or another, but there is no way that the claim “smoking causes cancer” stands up.
This whole campaign was just another example of moronic groups who think they have a right to impose their beliefs and lifestyle choices on others, like prohibition in the US.
Where these campaigns tend to originate? Hmm, worth bearing in mind then that the pilgrim fathers escape to America to avoid persecution was because they believed they had a right to impose their religious beliefs on everyone else, they moved to new territory where they could be free to persecute those who didn’t agree with them..
It’s a simple thing: H.I. is not controlled by the government, therefore the government thinks it’s ‘bad.’ That’s all there is to it.
Or in Aussie parlance, “[snip . . you know the rules , mate . . kbmod] off, mate!”
I don’t believe in the second hand smoking scam either- and I speak as a lifelong non smoker who hates the filthy habit- it seems to me there have been a series of these fake medical flaps. The first one I remember is DDT, as I remember, the evidence was vanishingly thin, I’m also thinking of the ozone hole.
For the smoking bans in public places, I didn’t move because I thought it was probably just as well, plus I didn’t see why I should move for the 99 percent of inconsiderate smokers I had met down the years. However in the UK the lobby is starting to demand that smoking be banned in private cars … if this gets traction, I definitely shall defend smokers’ rights.
Interestingly in France, the smoking ban has been the occasion for the creation of heated street cafés – difficult to get worse for the environment. The cafés themselves are empty.
Another reason to vote Ron Paul. I thought that the American constitution was all about, “Mind your own business”.
The President of the PI’s address on the occasion of its 20th anniversary (from the PI website)-
The Pacific Institute was founded a generation ago. My children, not even born at the time, have grown up, along with 1,500 million other children.
In 1987, the Cold War was starting to warm up, but so was the Earth. The Berlin Wall was starting to come down, but nascent political and ideological threats were emerging. Traditional academic disciplines were searching for new language, tools, and answers to interdisciplinary problems. The concept of sustainability was just being introduced, but there was a growing appreciation that problems of the environment, economy, and society were intricately linked.
This idea drove us to create the Pacific Institute. We believed that global problems and effective solutions in the 21st century would require innovative ways of thinking, seeing, and doing.
For two decades the Institute has been providing unbiased, thoughtful, and innovative analysis and solutions.
Through our efforts and commitment, the Pacific Institute has become a place where we work effectively with the residents of West Oakland one day and the Secretary General of the United Nations the next.
What will the next 20 years bring? New threats to our limited and vital freshwater resources, growing pressures on the environmental health of our most vulnerable communities, accelerating influence of multinational corporations for both good and ill, combating and adapting to climate change, and other threats to sustainability
that we have not yet conceived.
A constant in all of these transitions will be the continued dedication of the Pacific Institute to address theseproblems and provide a sustainable world for all generations to come.
Peter Gleick, Oaland 2007
Translation: When the commie dream was crashing down around their ears aka the Berlin Wall, naturally the comrades had to cook up another way to break eggs to make the usual omelette.
Result: Lots of egg on lots of faces.
Perhaps Ed Markey should reveal who pays for his junkets to the GLOBE International conferences, I suspect the US taxpayer even though they know nothing about it:
Read more at “United Socialist Nations”
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/originals/un_progress_governance_via_climate_change.html
“US Congressman Ed Markey is the Co-Chairman of the GLOBE International Commission on Climate & Energy Security. Globe has close links with the Club of Rome whose Co-President, Ashok Khosla, is a member of Globe International and President of the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN). It has become a de facto unofficial world government, whose members agree measures on behalf of the UN and then take those measures back to their own countries and seek to enact legislation to implement them. The web site says quite unashamedly that:
“Without the burden of formal governmental negotiating positions, legislators have the freedom to push the boundaries of what can be politically achieved. GLOBE’s vision is to create a critical mass of legislators within each of the parliaments of the major economies that can agree common legislative responses to the major global environmental challenges and demonstrate to leaders that there is cross-party support for more ambitious action. All major government policy decisions should be consistent with climate change goals.”
Congressman Wang Guangtao of the National People’s Congress of China and Congressman Ed
Markey of the United States Congress, jointly chaired the 2009 GLOBE Copenhagen Legislators Forum.
Nancy Pelosi addressed the forum via a video link: “On behalf of the U.S. Congress, I bring greetings to my fellow lawmakers at the GLOBE Legislators’ Forum in Copenhagen.”
“Your gathering reflects a fundamental truth: the climate crisis knows no borders. It touches every family and community, every neighborhood and nation. This is not an issue that will be resolved overnight, nor can a single country fix the problem alone. It demands “action, and action now.”
Senator Malarkey may regret his letter, over at Lucia’s there is considerable speculation that the Heartland board member Gleick impersonated when carrying out his wire fraud was Harrison Hagan “Jack” Schmitt, former astronaut and US Senator
Is it not a federal criminal offence to impersonate a senator under the US penal code?
I should have added the link to Gleicks President address in the online report- Pacific Institute: 20 years toward a sustanable planet here- http://www.pacinst.org/publications/20th_anniversary/page2.html
If the document is fake, it should not be up to Heartland to do anything. Just let justice take its course.
“REPLY: it was totally diversionary. It was on a law tangent nobody has mentioned, nor even should consider. “A physicist” has a habit of thread bombing with junk like this to distract the main conversation to argue in his viewpoint, and I’m about to give him a permanent time out. – Anthony”
“and I’m about to give him a permanent time out. – Anthony”
Of course you are the master and you make the laws on this side but freedom of speech is something we all have to fight for . Without it WUWT would not exist. Don’t forget that in their point of view WE are the extremist WE are engaged in a campaign to undermine the teaching of well-established science WE should be on Permanent Time Out (PTM) so We should have the moral high ground even if it hurts.
But like I said , It’s your restaurant.
Robert
Let me replace a few words in brackets to see what it looks like :
“These documents appear to indicate that the [Mann, etc] is receiving large donations from [gov’t research grants] for the direct purpose of [establishing] the mainstream science of climate change and has planned to engage in a campaign to [influence] the teaching of well-established science at our public schools,”
I think I’d turn around and request a FOI request for any Markey communictions with Gleick or his institute. Not sure if congressional email is subject to an FOI request but, if so, it could be interesting.