Bishop Hill writes (and I’ve reposted in entirety with apologies in advance):
Rep Edward Markey of Massachusetts has written to Heartland asking for them to document the inaccuracies in the Fakegate documents and asking for originals.
In a letter to Heartland Institute President Joseph Bast, Markey asked the group for an explanation of any inaccuracies in the leaked documents as well as accurate versions of those documents.
“These documents appear to indicate that the Heartland Institute is receiving large donations from corporations for the direct purpose of discrediting the mainstream science of climate change and has planned to engage in a campaign to undermine the teaching of well-established science at our public schools,” Markey, the top Democrat on the House Natural Resources Committee, said in the letter.
If I recall correctly, Heartland’s climate change activities were not actually corporate funded at all. What an extraordinary error to make.
I think it is probably worth Heartland documenting what is wrong in the fake document, since this is in the public realm. As to the real one, I suggest they tell him to mind his own business. Private matters should remain private.
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As per Bish’s second suggestion, Heartland isn’t even in Markey’s (D-Mass.) district. I’d tell him (in Brit parlance) to “bugger off”.
The first comment at The Hill from Ed Loftus rather says it all:
As others have pointed out, the Pro-AGW teaching, heavily promoted and subsidized by both government and private sources with financial and political intersts in promoting this theory dwarf the significance of this effort.
The other good news here is if Sen. Markey makes a big deal about this the mass media will not be able to ignore the story any more. They will twist it as best they can but it will enter the general news cycle which will only hurt the AGW advocates in the long run.
This may be another self inflicted wound for AGW if he presses the issue.
Larry
I hope JoE Bast reenacts the Howard Hughes congressional hearing debacle. Expose them all as blithering idiots.
Heartland should check with Chairman Doc Hasting’s office to determine if it has any obligation to respond to Congressman Markey. As the Ranking Minority Member of the House Resources Committee, I don’t believe Congressman Markey has the ability to compel much of anything.
“These documents appear to indicate that the Heartland Institute is receiving large donations from corporations for the direct purpose of discrediting the mainstream science of climate change and has planned to engage in a campaign to undermine the teaching of well-established science at our public schools,”
Even if this were what HI is doing, and it isn’t, so what?
THere is nothing illegal in this complaint.
“Rep Edward Markey sticks his nose into private business”
Next up? Markey’s partner Waxman sticks his snout in?
Rep Edward Markey,,,,, My “He”ro!!!!!
Signed, “Peter Gleick”!
Warmists have recently been comparing Climategate to Fakegate.
Let’s look at that.
Climategate emails reveal the communications of ‘s’cientists who in private are deeply uncertain and divided about the reality of global warming. In those emails they ‘fudge’, conspire and bully colleagues to ‘toe the party line.’ Then publicly pronounce their lies.
Now if Gleick had found secret email exchanges between members of Heartland admitting in private that Global Warming was REAL, but in PUBLIC saying that it was a hoax…now that would have been a ‘scoop’!
Heartland is anti the global warming hoax, openly, consistently and honestly.
Furthermore It’s a private organization….at least they weren’t wasting taxpayers money in the promotion of their hoax.
Warmism is so riddled with professional ‘advocates’ paid for by EPA Grants, George Soros etc etc that they simply cannot imagine that the opposition (which is giving them a sound thrashing) consists, in the main, of independent, scientifically literate ‘amateurs’ – ie people who do something for the love of it!
No way should anyone be forced to point out inaccuracies in a fake document (item b in the letter). That would set a terrible precedence, such fake documents should just be “struck from the record”.
On the very bright side, this could lead to a full investigation into who is providing misleading information to schools.
There is no upside to this for the AGW Team or their apologists, and they are just too plain stupid to realize it – probably because they have gotten away with so much deception in the past.
What these Climate Change fools fail to understand is Political Change, and the inevitable consequences of crying wolf every time anyone sees a poodle..
@David L
“Can we all just take the money argument off the table? The only folks not receiving a dime are the multitude of people that post comments to blogs.”
I get 10 cents off per gallon of gas for every $100 I spend at my local ^*(^&^*^*^ grocery store.
OMG, I am funded by BOTH “Big Oil” and “Big Ag”.
Oh well, I guess I’ll just have to drink more ethanol!
@JJ says:
February 24, 2012 at 3:21 pm
“Malarkey clearly has access to additonal fabricated materials, and his ties to the criminals should be investigated”
Brilliant!
So there’s a little more here, if Steve Milloy is correct:
http://junkscience.com/2012/02/24/more-grants-to-gleick-scrubbed-from-epa-grants-database/
Apparently, EPA, fresh off their Solyndra black eye, may be scrubbing grant info (legally disclosable) from their site.
If so, goodbye Steve Chu, goodbye Eric Holder, goodbye Barry O.
This administration appears to be filled with liars and fabricators, which will be proven in court. Pick one.
[snip – this is ridiculous, accusatory, and inflammatory, and you don’t have a clue about private business, since you work for a University, I suggest you not comment further – Anthony]
I’d tell him (in Brit parlance) to “bugger off”.
Most Poms I know would not use the word “bugger”, two letters too many and doesn’t rhyme with “duck”
ChE says:
February 24, 2012 at 3:21 pm
One suggestion for the Bish: translate “bugger off” into American English.
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Not sure if this will get through but, it’s a milder version of ‘go away and fornicate’.
it is almost 2 years gone since I last used the word ‘poltroon’. That was aimed at Markey back then. Here is a pretty mama’s boy who pouts on cue as his blow against criminal misconduct and catestrophically destructive idiocy. The BP well has dealt a severe blow against status quo business and survival in America with an obvious beneficiary convincing president Obummer to shut up and sit down. Then Obummer signed a pardon, against enough evidence to convict someone for 11 counts of first degree murder. Meanwhile Markey pouted because his expertise is not geology, engineering, or ANY atmospheric science. True the gas frackers belong in prison and respect needs to be shown to congress on demand. BP’s Deepwater Horizon site is still spewing oil from an intentional destructive blowout. And what does Markey do in defense of his constituents and the rest of the American people and the world? He pouts and prances for more money. He is done pouting about the oil well blow out. He did not understand it then, and he does not understand it now. A ten year-old could lie him out of the park on this.
I don’t normal reply here, but this just made me laugh. http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/Grijalva%20Letter%20to%20Hastings%20and%20Markey%20on%20Indur%20Goklany%20Feb%2022.pdf
It stated that: “Greenpeace letter points out, employees of federal agencies are specifically warned not to take payment from outside organizations, particularly for “teaching, speaking and writing that relates to [their] official duties.” and he calls for hearing on Indur Goklany, the Assistant Director of Programs, Science and Technology Policy at the Department of the Interior getting paid from Heartland $1,000 a month for a chapter in a book. Can you imagine the Republicans response, James Hansen NASA millions in speaking fees!
I believe Ed Markey is going through the same process as any religious doomsday cult is going through when the alledged doomsday date is arriving, and nothing happens.
Slowly they discover that ….it was a lie!
What to do?
Remember. If the dem’s re-take the House in November, characters like Markey will be in the majority and will use their subpoena powers to call Heartland into this star chamber.
JJ says:
February 24, 2012 at 3:21 pm
That is a most excellent suggestion – I do hope someone from HI (or Anthony) has taken note.
To use another Brit aphorism (coz I are one) – Markey is bonkers.
He really should bugger off.
Some people here seem to be itching for a fight just for the sake of a fight. HI and Bast should welcome the opportunity to raise their profile. As a Democrat in the Republican-controlled house, Markey doesn’t chair any committees, so Bast should be assured of at least an even field. Bast should ask for an opportunity to testify in open session before one of Markey’s committees on exactly what HI does and compare that with other advocacy groups. Heck, he should even request the same invitation be extended to Gleick and the Pacific Institute. That way there could actually be the public debate Gleick declined before.
I bet 60 minutes of research will disclose multiple liberal organizations engaging in exactly the same activities as HI, to which Rep. Markey either belongs, or contributes, or serves on the board. It would sure make an interesting recital.
Or perhaps not. It’s been documented that liberal Democrats are mostly generous with other people’s money. Maybe Markey doesn’t share of his personal time, talent and treasure with anyone. That too would make an interesting recital.
In playing bridge, you always rejoice when your opponents lead into your strong suit, or a void you can trump. The issue of sources and extent of funding for advocacy groups in the Global Warming debate is a lead HI can trump all day. Like others obsessed with this issue, Rep. Markey is leading with his chin. When your opponents insist of making blunders, let them.
James Sexton says:
February 24, 2012 at 3:25 pm
LMAO!!!! Go Heartland!!! Yet another lunatic lefty to make look ridiculous!
Anthony, and Bish….. I might swipe this as well, with my apologies……
My perspective is, I wouldn’t tell Markey to “bugger off” per se. I’d antagonize and have him state something very vapid. (well, more vapid than what he just did.) Then publicize it.
You can be sure he will, because these lunatics perceive themselves as possessors and guardians of truth, but clearly they possess only hubris and sophistry. One or two back and forths, and you know something incredibly stupid will come out of his mouth. Done……. another trophy on the wall for HI.
Too bad it’s not Biden. Something incredibly stupid would be a given.
David L says:
February 24, 2012 at 3:25 pm
I don’t know about you, but I get paid per word by the Koch brothers.
/sarc, in case you needed it.
I found this and wonder how James Hansen gets around this?
http://www.justice.gov/jmd/ethics/generalf.htm