Bishop Hill writes (and I’ve reposted in entirety with apologies in advance):
Rep Edward Markey of Massachusetts has written to Heartland asking for them to document the inaccuracies in the Fakegate documents and asking for originals.
In a letter to Heartland Institute President Joseph Bast, Markey asked the group for an explanation of any inaccuracies in the leaked documents as well as accurate versions of those documents.
“These documents appear to indicate that the Heartland Institute is receiving large donations from corporations for the direct purpose of discrediting the mainstream science of climate change and has planned to engage in a campaign to undermine the teaching of well-established science at our public schools,” Markey, the top Democrat on the House Natural Resources Committee, said in the letter.
If I recall correctly, Heartland’s climate change activities were not actually corporate funded at all. What an extraordinary error to make.
I think it is probably worth Heartland documenting what is wrong in the fake document, since this is in the public realm. As to the real one, I suggest they tell him to mind his own business. Private matters should remain private.
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As per Bish’s second suggestion, Heartland isn’t even in Markey’s (D-Mass.) district. I’d tell him (in Brit parlance) to “bugger off”.
The first comment at The Hill from Ed Loftus rather says it all:
As others have pointed out, the Pro-AGW teaching, heavily promoted and subsidized by both government and private sources with financial and political intersts in promoting this theory dwarf the significance of this effort.
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The honorable representative from the People’s Republic of Massachusetts seems to be inclined to make political hay. Maybe he’d like to publish his donor list and tell us who called him up to point him to this opportunity to appear in front of cameras.
Yeah, and when they do tell him to bugger off, he’ll whine about how HI surely must have something to hide or they’d be more transparent.
Sure. That’ll work! Go right on ahead and triple quadruple quintuple down, people. I’ve got plenty of popcorn and Diet Coke.
I guess this means that he isn’t concerned about all the nefarious methods used to get the information from Heartland in the first place, nor who forged the document.
Bugger off right enough.
Markey is going to look stupid when the policy document is proven to have been faked. Still, I am not surprised by this particular representative’s actions, considering his track record.
Whilst I applaud people for having the courage of their convictions, I do not understand why so many are nailing their colours to the mast of the already-reefed ship. Unless Peter Gleick intended to become a martyr all along…
How does one produce an accurate version of a faked document?
Why would he be so numb to assert that the fake ducument had an original document it was based upon?
And for the rest, they get money donated to them to debate their opposition, they kind of state that on their front who’s-who-and-why page.
This has to be a fake. No United States Congressional Representative would write to private citizens, write to a private organization asking, yeah, demanding confidential information. Has Representative Markey gone completely bonkers!? Is he insane, delusional, has his ethics lapsed?
Unheard of, unbelievable… ! Thank God I just got finished sending my contribution in to the HI’s website! I’m going back for another contribution.
John Bast… tell him to shove it! Tell him to see your lawyer! Astonishing!
I see the problem, this man uses AP and msnbc as his source material
Unless eddy malarkey has a subpoena concernig federal crimes, I don’t believe that having a particular view on a scientific matter is any of his damn business
Politicians notice Fakegate
There’s more: http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/Grijalva%20Letter%20to%20Hastings%20and%20Markey%20on%20Indur%20Goklany%20Feb%2022.pdf
Have Heartland return his letter and tell him to prove he is not a fake.
Markey is crazy. He admitted he never read the cap and tax legislation with his name on it. Why does he need confidential documents that are none of his business?
HI needs to request an opportunity to appear publicly and to read the response into the Congressional record. All of HI works need to be detailed, including conferences, debates etc. There is no way HI can lose by tabling its climate efforts. A list of total funding of the warmista side needs to be outlined as a comparison to HI funding.
The Anthony Watts project needs to be fully explained as to how it is better SCIENCE that is being funded.
Good luck.
Considering the matter has been refereed to the FBI, Edward J Markey is on tender ground regarding the perversion of justice.
Even if there are no charges yet laid there is a criminal investigation under way. Edward J Markey should be very wary of the separation of Judiciary and State. He will be criticized for this involvement.
I would recommend the repose by Heartland be couched in terms of a cease & desist threat wrapped up with a accusation his involvement can be seen as an attempt to pervert justice.
In the world of Justice, AGW will receive blows it will not recover from.
I hope they (all the green liars) all weigh in…
This will all come out in the wash. That is what discovery is for.
Start asking where the EPA grants are? Maybe Rep Markey knows?
Pretty soon the FBI will have no choice, they will have to investigate.
Or are they officially investigating now ?
Joe Bast should tell him they’ll trade a copy of a list of what’s fake for the original envelope mailed to Peter Gleick containing said fake document and a copy of Markey’s letter to the Pacific Institute asking to see same, since surely, if Markey is investigating, he is investigating all parties equally.
I just couldn’t resist the story on The Hill. Some commenter named Frank was posting strawmen about the “science is settled” and the quote from Lindzen’s presentation is so apt:
“Stated briefly, I will simply try to clarify what the debate over climate change is really about. It most certainly is not about whether climate is changing: it always is. It is not about whether CO2 is increasing: it clearly is. It is not about whether the increase in CO2, by itself, will lead to some warming: it should. The debate is simply over the matter of how much warming the increase in CO2 can lead to, and the connection of such warming to the innumerable claimed catastrophes. The evidence is that the increase in CO2 will lead to very little warming, and that the connection of this minimal warming (or even significant warming) to the purported catastrophes is also minimal. The arguments on which the catastrophic claims are made are extremely weak – and commonly acknowledged as such. They are sometimes overtly dishonest.”
This could be a legal trigger; I strongly urge Heartland caution here, especially with Markey, and the “legal” left.
After compliance with this request, I would suggest another line of inquiry: Given Mr. Gleick’s apparent misbehavior, why was he and his institution the recipient of almost half a million dollars in taxpayer grants?
http://junkscience.com/2012/02/22/epa-gave-gleicks-group-468000-in-grants/
And then I would contact Sen. James Inhofe’s office.
Hypothetically speaking, of course…
“Large” donations?? This cockroach doesn’t even bother to put lipstick on.
“These documents appear to indicate that the Heartland Institute is receiving large donations from corporations for the direct purpose of discrediting the mainstream science of climate change and has planned to engage in a campaign to undermine the teaching of well-established science at our public schools,” Markey, the top Democrat on the House Natural Resources Committee, said in the letter.
If I were Heartland, I would send a subpoena to Malarkey, demanding that he provide any and all copies of alleged Heartland documents in his posession. And I would demand that DOJ send Malarkey an order not to destroy any emails or other materials in his posession relating to “climate change”.
Then put out a press release: Given that none of the documents alleged to be from Heartland and thus far released show any large corporate donations for global warming, Malarkey clearly has access to additonal fabricated materials, and his ties to the criminals should be investigated.
One suggestion for the Bish: translate “bugger off” into American English.
Mark says:
“How does one produce an accurate version of a faked document?”
Easy, send an empty envelope! 🙂
LMAO!!!! Go Heartland!!! Yet another lunatic lefty to make look ridiculous!
Anthony, and Bish….. I might swipe this as well, with my apologies……
My perspective is, I wouldn’t tell Markey to “bugger off” per se. I’d antagonize and have him state something very vapid. (well, more vapid than what he just did.) Then publicize it.
You can be sure he will, because these lunatics perceive themselves as possessors and guardians of truth, but clearly they possess only hubris and sophistry. One or two back and forths, and you know something incredibly stupid will come out of his mouth. Done……. another trophy on the wall for HI.
Amazing that people have a problem/ make an ussue of HI receiving money. Exactly what does everyone else receive for doing their work? The govt spends trillions on stuff, the AGW research world wide receives billions, Mann receives millions.
Can we all just take the money argument off the table? The only folks not receiving a dime are the multitude of people that post comments to blogs.
So Markey is heading up his own House investigation into Fakegate?
The whole thing sounds very illegal.
Mr Representative, whom are you representing?