From Tom Nelson
Email 600, Sept 2007: Watts expose makes NOAA want to change entire USA method
[Tom Karl, Director of the National Climatic Data Center] We are getting blogged all over for a cover-up of poor global station and US stations we use. They claim NCDC is in a scandal by not providing observer’s addresses. In any case Anthony Watts has photographed about 350 stations and finds using our criteria that about 15% are acceptable. I am trying to get some our folks to develop a method to switchover to using the CRN sites, at least in the USA.
Hat tip: AJ
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Note this email, because it will be something I reference in the future. – Anthony
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Phil Jones is a member of Data Archiving and Access Requirements Working Group (DAAWRG)
p17 http://www.sab.noaa.gov/Meetings/2011/november/SAB_Mtg_Pres_Nov11_DAARWG-Final.pdf
Though DAARWG agendas/publications are not listed or easy to find, the Joint Office of Science Support ‘JOSS works closely with scientists and research managers to plan, organize and conduct scientific programs in the most productive, efficient and cost-effective ways.
JOSS works on many levels, from consulting with individual investigators to working with research managers and funding agency officials who are planning large-scale geophysical field experiments and monitoring projects….
http://www.joss.ucar.edu/index.html
At the request of the scientific community and in collaboration with the several Federal agencies, JOSS provides staff to manage major, scientific programs, including:
United States Global Change Research Program (USGCRP)
USGCRP International and International Group of Funding Agencies for Global Change Research (IGFA),
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Working Group II Technical Support Unit.
Climate Variability and Predictability (CLIVAR);
Ocean Technology and Interdisciplinary Coordination (OTIC); and
Carbon Cycle Science Program (CCSP).’ http://www.joss.ucar.edu/scientific_collaboration.html#education
Agendas and background information listed on the JOSS website for the dates of DAARWG cf email600 (11 Sept 2007)
■ 2007 Global Carbon Cycle Program P.I. Meeting
10-11 September 2007; Silver Spring, MD
http://www.joss.ucar.edu/joss_psg/meetings/Meetings_2007/GCC_PI/index.html
■ Southern Ocean Gas Exchange Experiment (GasEx) Meeting
12 September 2007; Silver Spring, MD
http://www.joss.ucar.edu/joss_psg/meetings/Meetings_2007/GasEx/index.html
■ Six decades of fishery genetics: A retrospective view and a vision for the future
A Public Symposium
17-18 September 2007; Seattle, WA
http://www.joss.ucar.edu/joss_psg/meetings/Meetings_2007/Six_dedcades_of_fishery_genetics/index.html
■I PCC Expert Meeting on New Scenarios: Toward New Scenarios for Analysis of Greenhouse Gas Emissions, Climate Change, Impacts, and Response Strategies
19-21 September 2007; Noordwijkerhout, Netherlands
■ Detecting the Atmospheric Response to the Changing Face of the Earth: A Focus on Human-Caused Regional Climate Forcings, Land-Cover/Land-Use Change, and Data Monitoring
27-29 August 2007; Boulder, CO
http://www.joss.ucar.edu/joss_psg/meetings/Meetings_2007/Detecting/Index.html
source: (2007) http://www.joss.ucar.edu/events/past_events_07.html
http://www.joss.ucar.edu/events/past_events.html
Joint Office for Science Suppport http://www.joss.ucar.edu/daarwg/feb09/index.html
In regard to Prof Jones (?sarcastic) comment in email6000 on feeling good about his carbon bootprint…. save the planet JOSS also provide policy advice on travel.http://www.joss.ucar.edu/policies/index.html#related
That’s a good one.
WLF15Y says
Maybe I missed something along the way, but in the email he admits to only 15% that are “unacceptable”. Is this % purely due to the time frame in which the email was sent?
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You misread the email.
The amazing thing is that it took this long for the email to show up on WUWT. This sort of indicates to me how many emails are involved in this release.
The current director of the center is Tom Karl, a lead author on three Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change science assessments.
He has played a key role in reports developed by the USGCRP and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). He served as Co-Chair of the USGCRP’s US National Assessment and its recent Global Climate Change Impacts in the United States report. Additionally, Karl was the convening lead author for the Observations Chapter for the IPCC’s Third Assessment Report and was the review editor for the chapter on Observations for its Fourth Assessment Report. He has been the convening and lead author and review editor of all the major IPCC assessments since 1990.
Who could have guessed?
Joseph Thoma says
Theo, if I remember right, Anthony’s project and data came under an attack not only by the alarmists
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I don’t think you remember correctly.
There have been some quibbles about the significance of some observations. But the main objection has been about Anthony’s interpretations of those observations.
Actual personal attacks against Anthony have largely been about this web site and very little about his sites project.
Tom Konerman says: February 4, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Great clip.
Good driving.
Beautiful bride.
2.05 Hope the corn sold well.
Juan has directly observed many more stations than I have (problem is I don’t drive). Others have also done a lot more direct surveys than I have (Anthony’s done around a hundred or so, maybe more). It has been a true team effort.
Most of my “contribution” has been “virtual” observation. That is, locating stations using satellite resources and/or employing hints to run down the curators, call/contact them, and get exact descriptions of the locations so I can place them on a zoomed-in Google Earth map image and make the necessary measurements.
Sometimes I’ve made a direct spot using Google’s “Street Level” view. And sometimes “Birdseye Views” from (what is now) Bing maps would turn up a station.
All in all, I’ve clocked in somewhere between 200 and 250 (a number of which have been confirmed by later direct surveys, which we strongly encourage).
NOAA’s allegations that we would harass the volunteer curators is entirely unfounded. They were all helpful and highly cooperative — and were happy to be recognized and thanked for their steadfast public service and civicmindedness.
Additionally, I’ve put up hundreds of “measurement views” to supplement surveys others have made. Google maps “ruler” feature is invaluable in this regard and allows us the evaluate the station and assign a rating.
It has used up a lot of elbow grease but has been enormous fun. And, without going into any details, there will be more fun to come.
Jesse says
In regard to Prof Jones (?sarcastic) comment in email6000 on feeling good about his carbon bootprint…. save the planet
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I wish you would not just make stuff up. Without the context you can’t interpret this properly so you should not be making up interpretations just to suit your propaganda objectives. It’s fundamentally dishonest.
KV: In his article “What’s Wrong With the Surface record” John L Daly listed the following U.S sites as some in that category.
Ashton, Idaho: Basin, Wyoming; Cedar Lake, WA; Cold Bay, Alaska; Davenport, Wa; Eagle Pass, Texas; Lamar, Colorado; Lander, Wyoming; Lampasas, Texas; Nome, Alaska; Spickard, Missouri;
Tombstone, Arizona; Yellowstone National Park;; Yosemite National Park HQ, California.
I couldn’t find in Daly’s article where he pulled these stations out for commendation, but I’ll assume it’s in there somewhere. Tombstone can now be pulled from the list; they just moved the station to town. It now sits maybe 20 feet from a paved street.
Basic science , ensure your measuring devices are calibrated and any issues are known and that their used correctly . Its what the teach in any good school let alone university. But its not a standard that ‘climate science’ can achieve, and they wonder why people are skeptical of the ‘grand claims of certainty ‘
LazyTeenager expect becasue as you didn’t use the exact same method as they do , they claim your results are worthless , a classic heads I win , tails you lose trick . But nothing to do with science.
Vindication. A lot of us have backed Anthony all along. 5 years to come to light. The data collection is a HUGE problem. Go team Watts !!
Lazy Teenager, you’re a doofus of the highest order.
LazyTeenager says:
February 4, 2012 at 3:57 pm
“I wish you would not just make stuff up. Without the context you can’t interpret this properly so you should not be making up interpretations just to suit your propaganda objectives. It’s fundamentally dishonest.”
Can you not see this is EXACTLY what your side has done?
This was the very basis of your efforts; Tom Karl passses youa compliment.
Don’t feed the lazy trolls
Well you know the saying: “If you don’t like the climate here in the Goldilocks Zone, just wait a couple centuries.” 😉
Lazy Teenager: “I was under the impression that it’s relatively easy to code your own adjustment code and that it has been done multiple times. And they all come much the same conclusions about the temperature trends.”
Sure, it’s easy enough to throw an offset on a reading. Doesn’t mean it’s correct, or that you’re not cooking the offsets to get the results you want.
Why not focus on getting good data in the first place?
Yo, go Anthony! And kudos to all the volunteers and of course the indefatigable Tom!
Meanwhile the Met Office-forecasted ‘light snow’ here in the UK has cut off my satellite TV signal and my young cats won’t go out. Time once again to cite Dr David Viner: “Cats just aren’t going to know what snow is!”
The Met offices “barbecue summer” means something quite different to those of us who have seen the pictures of most citing issues.
Pinged, I reckon. Onya Anthony (and of course the indefatigable Mr Nelson).
cui bono: Cats aren’t dumb.
Heh.
Sometimes three letters and a . is just enough!
Edit comments:
geography lady: “eliminate” means reduce to zero. Overkill word!
Almost incoherent; try again.
WLF15Y: Nope. That’s 15% ACCEPTABLE. By advanced substration, it follows that 85% are unnacceptable.
Tom: your video won’t play where I am (EMI copyright), so here’s a classic substitute:
Indeed; by all indications, NOAA has been ignoring them and taking them and their equipment etc. for granted.
In March 2009 Phil Jones responded to an email from S Clegg, University of East Anglia (UEA). Clegg’s email thanked recipients for responding to requests for information for their Annual Report and the another document placed in pigeon-holes. The new request (5/3/2009) was for information for a new publication titled ‘Leadership, Innovation and Collaboration’. Clegg provided for the email recipients a few egs of the type and style of information required: eg Mike Hulme appointed editor in Chief of “Wiley Interdisciplinary Reviews Climate Change” etc
Jones replies:
1) Recent release of paper in Nature (Geosciences)
’…..observed changes in Arctic and Antarctic
temperatures are not consistent with natural climate variability, but instead are directly attributable to human influence on the climate system as a result of the build-up of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere….The results show that these human activities have already caused significant warming in both polar regions, with likely impacts on polar biology, indigenous communities, ice-sheet mass balance and global sea level.’
2) ’ We would have highlighted the new set of UK Climate Scenarios (UKCP09), but they will not be out for several months. They should be a must for 2 years time!’ [bold added]
3) Jones is now a member of the NOAA Working Group called ‘Data Access and Archiving Working Group’ (DAARWG). ’This reports to the NOAA Scientific Advisory Board (SAB). I’ve attached its latest recommendations. There is a strong likelihood they will get acted upon now NOAA has a National Climate Service. … which reports to the Scientific Advisory Board (SAB) of NOAA. The aims of DAARWG are to provide the SAB with guidance on how best to archive the increasing amounts of observational and climate model data that NOAA is obliged to keep by Federal Laws. The group has advised on the development of guidelines to decide which datasets need to be archived and also addressed issues of access. DAARWG oversees all three of NOAA’s principal Data Centres as well as the 30+ centres of data that NOAA runs’ [bold added]
4) That he [Jones] had just ‘rotated off the Hadley Centre Science Review Committee.’
Source: http://foia2011.org/index.php?id=1714
P14-15 Phil Jones remains a member of DAARWG, his ?three year term due to be completed in 2011.
http://www.sab.noaa.gov/Meetings/2011/november/SAB_Mtg_Pres_Nov11_DAARWG-Final.pdf
Ferris, mentioned in email600 [IDAG ??Information Dissemination Advisory Group http://www.fsa.gov.uk/ ], is also a member of the DAARWG.
email600 states ‘Would be great to get IDAG and DAARWG on the
same timeframe’
Could we have some clarification on the acronym IDAG please?
[Reply: http://www.acronymfinder.com/IDAG.html ~dbs]