
Press release
London, 13 January: A climate bet proposed by the BBC’s radio programme “More or Less” four years ago has been won by Dr David Whitehouse, a former BBC Science Editor and a scientific adviser to the Global Warming Policy Foundation.
In 2008, the BBC programme-makers came up with the idea of a bet. It was for £100 that, using the Met Office’s data set (HadCrut3), there would be no new warming record set by 2011. It was made between Dr Whitehouse and climatologist Dr James Annan.
Later today, the BBC’s “More or Less” (16:30 on BBC Radio 4) will report about the outcome of the bet and announce the winner.
A full report of the scientific background to the bet is available here:
Winning A Climate Bet
by Dr. David Whitehouse, the Global Warming Policy Foundation
Predictions, Neils Bohr once said, are difficult, especially about the future. They are even more interesting however, when there is money at stake.
In December 2007 I wrote what I thought was quite a straightforward article for the New Statesman pointing out that it was curious that when so many voices were telling us that global warming was out of control, and that the global warming effect dwarfed natural fluctuations, the global annual average temperature hadn’t increased for many years. I wasn’t promoting any particular point of view just describing the data. The New Statesman jumped at it.
It caused quite a storm resulting in an Internet record number of comments that were complimentary by a large majority, although there were some less than supportive remarks. It evidently also caused quite a fuss in the offices of the New Statesman. Realclimate.com responded with, in my view, an unsatisfactory knock-down of my piece based on trend lines, which I had expected. Trend lines, especially of indeterminate length in the presence of noise, can tell you almost anything, and nothing.
The New Statesman environment correspondent Mark Lynas chipped in eventually with, “I’ll be blunt. Whitehouse got it wrong – completely wrong,” after saying he was initially reluctant to comment. He reproduced Realclimate.com’s trendlines argument and accused me of deliberately or otherwise setting out to deceive. It was a scientifically ignorant article which subsequent events, and peer-reviewed literature, emphasise. Moreover, when I asked New Statesman for redress against such an unnecessary, and in my view unprofessional insult, they declined, and stopped answering my emails. In doing so they missed out on an important, though perhaps inconvenient, scientific story.
More or Less
To my surprise interest in my article was worldwide, and eventually the BBC’s radio programme “More or Less” got in touch. The programme is about numbers and statistics and they set up a series of interviews. You can hear the programme here.
Almost at the last minute the programme-makers came up with the idea of a bet. It was for £100 that, using the HadCrut3 data set, there would be no new record set by 2011. It was made between climatologist James Annan and myself. His work involves analysing climatic data and validating climate models. He accepted enthusiastically as he has a perchant for taking on ‘sceptics.’ The presenter said that if the global temperature didn’t go up in the next few years, “there would be some explaining to do.”
Later today, January 13th, “More or Less” returns to the bet, which I am pleased to say I won, though I note that this bet, or its conclusion, is not yet mentioned on Annan’s Wikipedia entry despite his other climate bet being discussed.
Writing shortly after the wager was placed James Annan said he believed it was a fairly safe bet, though not certain, as the trend since the current warming spell began, around 1980, was upward (showing those same trendlines!) He drew a straight line from 1980 to 2007 and projected it forwards concluding that sometime over the next few years HadCrut3 would rise above its highest point which was in 1998 (a strong El Nino year.)
The problem with this approach is that it destroys all information in the dataset save the gradient of the straight line. In climate terms 30 years is usually held to be the shortest period to deduce trends (though shorter periods are used often if the trend deduced is deemed acceptable) but that is not to say there is not important information on shorter periods such as volcanic depressions, El Nino rises and La Nina dips. Then there are the so-called, poorly understood decadal variations.
My view was that the information in the dataset was important, especially if projecting it forward just a few years when natural variations were clearly dominant. Looking at HadCrut3 it is clear that there isn’t much of an increase in the 1980s, more of an increase in the 1990s, then there is the big 1998 El Nino, followed by no increase in the past decade or so. It therefore seemed far more likely that the temperature would continue what it had been doing in the recent past than revert to an upward trend, in the next few years at least.
My approach was to listen to the data. The approach taken by James Annan was flawed because he didn’t. He imposed a straight line on the data due to theoretical considerations. I always wonder about the wisdom of the approach that uses straight lines in climatic data. Why should such a complex system follow a straight line? Indeed, the rise of HadCrut3 is not a straight line, but the past ten years is, and that in my view is very curious, and highly significant.
Why, I wonder start the linear increase in 1980? Obviously the temperature starts rising then, but why not start the straight line in 1970? The answer is that the temperature is flat between 1970 and 1980. It seems illogical to take notice of flat data at the start of a dataset but totally ignore it at the end!
When a record is not a record
During the recent interview for “More or Less” James Annan said that had other temperature databases been used he would have won. This is a moot point that also strongly reaffirms my stance. In NasaGiss 2010 is the warmest year, with a temperature anomaly of 0.63 deg C, only one hundredth of a degree warmer than 2005, and within a whisker of 2007, 2006, 2002, 2001 and 1998. Given the 0.1 deg C errors even Nasa did not claim 2010 as a record. Technically speaking 2010 was slightly hotter because of a string El Nino. Otherwise, NasaGiss shows hardly any increase in the past decade.
During the “More or Less” interview the question arose of extending the bet to “double or quits” for the next five years. I was game for it with a proviso. Betting against a record for ten years raises a higher possibility that there might be a statistical fluctuation than betting for five years. Because of this I would like to see two annual datapoints, consecutively more than one sigma above the 2001 – date mean level. After all, that is the minimum statistical evidence one should accept as being an indication of warming. James Annan did not commit to such a bet during the programme.
It just has to start getting warmer soon.
Back in 2007 many commentators, activists and scientists, such as Lynas, said the halt in global temperatures wasn’t real. It is interesting that the Climategate emails showed that the certainty some scientists expressed about this issue in public was not mirrored in private. Indeed, one intemperate activist, determined to shoot my New Statesman article down but unable to muster the simple statistics required to tackle the statistical properties of only 30 data points, asked the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit and the Met Office, to provide reasons why I was wrong, which they couldn’t.
What was true in 2007 is even more so in 2012. Since 2007 the reality of the temperature standstill has been accepted and many explanations offered for it, more than can possibly be true! We have seen predictions that half of the years between 2009 and 2014 would be HadCrut3 records (a prediction that now can’t possibly come to pass) which was later modified to half of the years between 2010 and 2015 (likewise.) The Met Office predict that 2012 -16 will be on average 0.54 deg C above the HadCrut3 baseline level, and 2017 -2021 some 0.76 deg C higher. Temperatures must go up, and quickly.
So how long must this standstill go on until bigger questions are asked about the rate of global warming? When asked if he would be worried if there was no increase in the next five years James Annan would only say it would only indicate a lower rate of warming! Some say that 15 years is the period for serious questions.
We are already there
In a now famous (though even at the time obvious) interview in 2010 Prof Phil Jones of the University of East Anglia confirmed that there was no statistically significant warming since 1995. There was an upward trend, but it was statistically insignificant, which in scientific parlance equates to no trend at all. In 2011 Prof Jones told the BBC that due to the inclusion of the warmish 2010 there was now a statistically significant increase between 1995 and 2010. Since 2011 was cool it doesn’t take complicated statistics to show that the post 1995 trend by that method of calculation is now back to insignificant, though I don’t expect the BBC to update its story.
The lesson is that for the recent warming spell, the one that begins about 1980, the years of standstill now exceed those with a year-on-year increase. It is the standstill, not the increase, that is now this warm period’s defining characteristic.
The nature of the anthropogenic global warming signal is that, unlike natural fluctuations, it is always additive. Sooner or later, it is argued, it will emerge unambiguously, perhaps at different times in different parts of the world, but it must emerge. Some argue that by the time it does it will already be too late, but that is another debate.
James Annan is keen on a “money markets” approach to forecasting global warming, and bemoans the reticence of so-called climate sceptics to put their money where their mouth is! I hope that his early-stage financial loss won’t be too much of a setback and a deterrence for potential investors, not that I will be among them.
Now that I am joining the ranks of those who have made money out of global warming (or rather the lack of it) I wonder where the smart money will be placed in the future.
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Baa Humbug said @ur momisugly January 13, 2012 at 2:21 pm
I still think it’s brilliant!
He repeated the idea in the Canadian Senate hearing. The pols liked the idea that it would look good on them whatever way things went.
Smokey, you are saying the trend line in the bottom graph is the trend from the LIA, correct? Looking for clarification as the overlaying data plot is from 1880.
That’s kind of the point. It’s actually a sort of meta-wager. The collectors are betting CO2 drives temperature. The payers/suckers/voters are betting it doesn’t. You are also betting on whether the “natural variation trend” is set for 20-30 yrs of cooling.
Carrick (Jan 13, 2012 at 10:32 am):
Before betting money on the continuation of a trend, study up on the base rate fallacy. It is the fallacy that leads people to think the best estimator of Babe Ruth’s future batting average is Ruth’s past average. Actually, the best estimator lies between Ruth’s past average and the league average. People who think the best estimator is Ruth’s past average overestimate the information about a player’s future average that lies in this player’s past average.
Erinome says:
“Climate models don’t predict, they project.” That’s because they can’t predict.
And: “In whose universe is that a flattening or a decline?” In Phil Jones’ universe, for one. Jones admitted that there was no statistically significant warming over the past decade. Who are we to argue with the King of the Warmists?
The real question, of course, is: how is the minuscule fraction of a degree warming over the past century and a half a problem? It is a net benefit – as is the beneficial increase in CO2. The biosphere needs more CO2, not less. And more global warming would also be a plus. Here are a few charts to help you get the picture [more available on request] :
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So relax. The whole AGW scare is just a pretext to get more grant money. There is nothing to worry about – unless you’re a worry-wart. Then I can’t help you. But I think the charts above will help the undecided readers see the false alarm. Here’s a chart with a normal y-axis. No need to panic, is there?
And that STILL misses the point. Even if there had been “statistically significant warming”, there is an underlying “bounce-back” from the LIA to be accounted for first; only a further warming on top of that which could be reasonably/unambiguously attributed to CO2 increases is there any “importance” to said warming.
Smokey says:
The real question, of course, is: how is the minuscule fraction of a degree warming over the past century and a half a problem? It is a net benefit – as is the beneficial increase in CO2. The biosphere needs more CO2, not less. And more global warming would also be a plus.
Yes, you have your answers all figured out, and all your links saved.
But you strike me, Smokey, as one of the least-thinking commenters here. You see no subtleties, not colors, no degrees of distinction. You see nothing besides your claim that all CO2 is good.
You won’t engage on anything that challenges your world view. For example, you claimed that the temperature of the last 14 years was “flat or decreasing,” but when challenged on this point with actual data and calculations you avoided responding. You presented no rebuttal, and nothing to support your claim, or even to engage on the issue.
You’re reading off a script. You’re not challenging me. I’m not learning anything from you. No one is. Why should we continue?
Steve says:
“Smokey, you are saying the trend line in the bottom graph is the trend from the LIA, correct? Looking for clarification as the overlaying data plot is from 1880.”
OK, we can go back to the mid-1600’s. The long term trend from the LIA is still on track. CO2 clearly has nothing measurable to do with the trend. Despite numerous [failed] predictions to the contrary, the mild upward trend has not accelerated.
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Brian H,
That is the point I’m always making: there is no way we have been able to measure any ‘human fingerprint’ in the natural warming trend since the LIA.
Brian H says:
Even if there had been “statistically significant warming”, there is an underlying “bounce-back” from the LIA to be accounted for first
What is a “bounce-back?” You make it sound like climate is a rubber ball. It isn’t. It doesn’t bounce.
When climate changes it changes for a reason. I thought this was obvious, but maybe not….
Smokey says:
there is no way we have been able to measure any ‘human fingerprint’ in the natural warming trend since the LIA.
You are wrong.
Please explain, without man-made factors, why the climate has warmed so much in the last 60 years.
Tell us
(1) how much it has warmed,
(2) how much extra heat has therefore been added to the earth system,
(3) where this heat has come from.
Erinome says:
“…you strike me, Smokey, as one of the least-thinking commenters here. You see no subtleties, not colors, no degrees of distinction. You see nothing besides your claim that all CO2 is good.”
CO2 is good. More is better. Refute that, if you can, using the scientific method. And what I ‘see’ is a lot of pseudo-scientific grant trolling motivated by money and flogging a fake “carbon” scare. If you’re one of the gullible mouth breathing True Believers, you have my sympathies. And…
“You won’t engage on anything that challenges your world view. For example, you claimed that the temperature of the last 14 years was “flat or decreasing,” but when challenged on this point with actual data and calculations you avoided responding. You presented no rebuttal, and nothing to support your claim, or even to engage on the issue.”
What planet are you living on? I’m on Earth, and I’ve just provided twenty links supporting my position and debunking yours, plus a reminder that Phil Jones admitted there has been no statistically significant warming. How is that not responding?? How is that not a major rebuttal?? How is that not engaging on the issue?? What color is the sky on your world? Green? And…
“You’re reading off a script.”
I’ve never read off a script. Is that what you say because you have no adequate response to the charts and graphs I posted debunking your belief system? And…
“You’re not challenging me. I’m not learning anything from you. No one is.”
Translation: “I can’t refute your sources, and I’m frightened by your challenge. And I pretend to speak for everyone when I say that “no one” is learning. And…
“Why should we continue?”
No one is forcing you to take an intellectual beating.
Brian H @ur momisugly January 13, 2012 at 1:09 pm
“The shorter the period the more likelihood of a ‘noisy’ deviation from actual ‘trend lines’.”
Correct, and the greater likelihood it isn’t significant.
Erinome @ur momisugly January 13, 2012 at 2:26 pm
“Post-1995 (that is, from 1/1996 to 11/2011, inclusive), the linear trend for HadCRUT3 is 0.074 +/- 0.019 C/decade. That’s statistically significant.”
Your error terms are incorrect because the series isn’t well behaved. See the link off my earlier post. The linear trend in the 15 year series to 2010 isn’t significant and I see no reason why moving the 15 period along a year would make any difference.
Erinome @ur momisugly January 13, 2012 at 2:41 pm
“…for small time intervals any function of time can be approximate by T(t) = a+b*(t-t0)”
This time series over this time frame is strongly autocorrelated.
Ursus Augustus @ur momisugly January 13, 2012 at 2:55 pm
“The notion that the mathematics of global temperature could be in any way modelled using linear mathematics is utterly laughable.”
If you mean “Linear models” and in the linear regression sense then you are absolutely correct. Perhaps not in the time series sense – a number people have suggested that over this time frame the series can be adequately modelled by various (linear) ARIMA models.
A C of Adelaide @ur momisugly January 13, 2012 at 3:04 pm
“ … a stock market analyst would make a much more interesting analysis of the trends in the trends than a scientist. …. I wonder why the same techniques aren’t applied here?”
Time series analysis from economics and financial analysis do get applied to these time series, but not by mainstream climate scientists in the main.
Erinome @ur momisugly January 13, 2012 at 4:14 pm
“David L says … At no point in the historical record of average temperatures is any trend of meaningful length linear.
“Prove it. Show me your time series for globally average temperature. Then tell me where it cannot be linearly approximated.”
You can linearly approximate anything, the question is is it useful? Not in this case either as a model of how temp behaves over this time period, or as a means to test the significance of any “trends” in it (assuming the formulation of a linear approximation you used @ur momisugly 2:41 pm.
Erinome says @ur momisugly January 13, 2012 at 4:21 pm
“Climate models don’t predict, they project.”
It is a funny thing but if you google [prediction projection model difference] the first page at least is to do with climate model. This perhaps suggests there are special distinctions made wrt climate models not shared by the rest of the community.
A prediction or a forecast based on a model gives you a prediction conditional on the assumptions of that model (cf SOED projection “11 An economic forecast or estimate based on present trends”). I can only assume you are making some special pleading for the case when predictions based on climate models come unstuck – “the assumptions were wrong”?
On how well they do at projection don’t bother about the future – how good are they at modelling the global absolute surface temperatures over the 20th century?
“Prove it. Show me your time series for globally average temperature. Then tell me where it cannot be linearly approximated.”
My goodness, an intellecual minnow !!
The fact that chosing different endpoints for your linear approximation can make a HUGE difference to the actual slope and equations proves that any linear approximation wrt climate is totally meaningless for any sort of extrapolation, and even interpolation would only be of use over very short time periods.
AndyG55 says:
The fact that chosing different endpoints for your linear approximation can make a HUGE difference to the actual slope and equations proves that any linear approximation wrt climate is totally meaningless for any sort of extrapolation, and even interpolation would only be of use over very short time periods.
Easy to say. Show me your math. What different endpoints do you mean? What is their huge difference?
Show me a period where a linear approximation is not a good one. Any period at all. Show your work.
Smokey.
Links. Yes, you have links.
Let’s go back to your first claim, that the temperature over the last 14 years is “flat or declining.”
Prove it.
To Brian H:
As a stock market modeler (and one who risks his own cash on his models) I can say with certainty that the shorter the time span of one’s prediction, the more accurate it will likely be. It is true that volatility will increase with time. Hence, betting on 5 years out is smarter than betting on 10 years.
OMG, you seriously are THICK !!!!!!
look at the record sometime.
1940-1970.. negative slope cannot extrapolate out to even +10 years
1975- 1995.. poistive slope, again extrapolated to 2010.. way off.
1940 – 1995, try to interpolate to get 1976.. way out
yes, you can approximate short term bits and pieces by short term linear approximations, but they contain NO predictive validity.
Terry:
Agreed… but there are a few places where extrapolation makes sense:
If you have a physical model like y = 1/2 g t^2 (let’s assume we’re dropping a rock towards the moon and can neglect the change in acceleration of gravity), you can do it. Band width limited periodic signals would be another example (assuming you’ve sampled at or above twice the Nyquist frequency).
In general extrapolation only works out (for more than few years) if you have an underlying physical basis for the model you are using to extrapolate from. I won’t beat a dead wookie here, but if the future forcings are intrinsically unknowable (and they are… we can’t say with any certainty when the next major eruption will occur for example), then true forecasting is impossible.
Erinome says:
You are wrong. Please explain, without man-made factors, why the climate has warmed so much in the last 60 years.
Wouldn’t it be nice if you could just say, “You were wrong”, without any citations, links or logic, and magically make that an accurate statement? Alas, the world doesn’t work like that. But since you asked, I’ll explain it for you: the planet has not warmed “so much.” That is unscientific hyperbole.
The recent warming follows the same trend line from the LIA. And as über-warmist Phil Jones admits, the same cycles have occurred regularly in the past, well before any big increase in CO2.
Next:
Tell us
(1) how much it has warmed,
(2) how much extra heat has therefore been added to the earth system,
(3) where this heat has come from.
There’s Erinome with his pocket mouse again, saying “tell us…” But since Erinome needs an education, I’m here to help. First: ‘How much has it warmed?’
Since yesterday? Since the LIA? Since the Minoan Optimum? During the Holocene? Here are 150 world temperature records. Take your pick. The globe has [naturally] warmed by a very minor ≈0.7°C – ≈0.8°C over the past century and a half. Compared to past warming and cooling events, that is extremely mild, almost static, and nothing to be worried about. Around 11,000 years ago the temperature changed by over 20°F in only a few decades. Naturally. And with very low CO2.
Next: ‘How much extra heat has been added?’ That’s not even wrong. I’ll let Prof Richard Lindzen explain. Pay attention now, because he also answers your third question:
To get up to speed I recommend reading the WUWT archives. Use the keywords that pertain to your questions. It’s tedious rehashing basic Climate For Beginners, when the archives have the answers.
The HADCRUT3 – Global Temperature Record time series shows the combined global land and marine surface temperature record from 1850 to 2010. It shows no additional warming since 2003. See http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/
The NCDC – Global Surface Temperature Anomalies database shows a similar flat trend from 2003 to 2010 (16-May-2011, NOAA, National Climatic Data Center).
http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/service/global/global-land-ocean-mntp-anom/201001-201012.gif
The annual mean anomalies Hadley Centre Central England Temperature (HadCET) dataset shows a decline of 0.5°C from 2001 to 2011. See http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcet/
DirkH:
Maybe not quite that bad. 😛
But they are very poorly constrained (especially indirect aerosol effect), and the huge spatial variability seems to be typically ignored in the aerosol forcings models. I’m not saying Hansen’s group is the “gold standard” here…just the effect from them is admitted to be huge, and we certainly have little idea about the future time-course of their forcings.
(Put another way, just because they are poorly constrained doesn’t mean they should be ignored.)
@Smokey
“But since Erinome needs an education, I’m here to help.”
Hope you have lots of patience. You are probably going to have to go back to primary school level.
I’m sure you’re not getting paid enough !!!
Good Luck !! :-)))
“Erinome says:
January 13, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Post-1995 (that is, from 1/1996 to 11/2011, inclusive), the linear trend for HadCRUT3 is 0.074 +/- 0.019 C/decade. That’s statistically significant.”
Phil Jones was asked about the trend from 1995 on. When the figures are in for all of 2011, we will have 17 years of warming that is NOT significant at the 95% level. If you do not believe me, see the graphics at:
http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcrut3/diagnostics/global/nh+sh/
Focus on the top 95% error bar for 1995 and note that it is way above the bottom error bar for the presently green 2011 line. It is so much higher that the green line cannot catch up any more for the remainder of the year.
“Erinome says:
January 13, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Let’s go back to your first claim, that the temperature over the last 14 years is “flat or declining.”
Prove it.”
The trend is very slightly negative on RSS for 14 years and 11 months and on Hadcrut3 for 14 years and 7 months. However I admit the numbers are NOT significant. So I would say you could call that “flat”. However in another 18 days, I am sure you can add another month to each of these numbers.
To prove it, for RSS:
#Selected data from 1997.08
#Least squares trend line; slope = -5.60668e-05 per year
To prove it, for HadCrut3:
#Selected data from 1997.43
#Least squares trend line; slope = -0.000793516 per year
See – owe to Rich:
A relevant issue is a prediction that the Met Office made in 2007. But I am unable to get the Wayback Machine to help find the following:
http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/2007/pr20070810.html
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Click on the first snapshot, July, 8, 2008:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080708230357/http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/2007/pr20070810.html
“At least half of the years after 2009 are predicted to exceed the warmest year currently on record.“