
Press release
London, 13 January: A climate bet proposed by the BBC’s radio programme “More or Less” four years ago has been won by Dr David Whitehouse, a former BBC Science Editor and a scientific adviser to the Global Warming Policy Foundation.
In 2008, the BBC programme-makers came up with the idea of a bet. It was for £100 that, using the Met Office’s data set (HadCrut3), there would be no new warming record set by 2011. It was made between Dr Whitehouse and climatologist Dr James Annan.
Later today, the BBC’s “More or Less” (16:30 on BBC Radio 4) will report about the outcome of the bet and announce the winner.
A full report of the scientific background to the bet is available here:
Winning A Climate Bet
by Dr. David Whitehouse, the Global Warming Policy Foundation
Predictions, Neils Bohr once said, are difficult, especially about the future. They are even more interesting however, when there is money at stake.
In December 2007 I wrote what I thought was quite a straightforward article for the New Statesman pointing out that it was curious that when so many voices were telling us that global warming was out of control, and that the global warming effect dwarfed natural fluctuations, the global annual average temperature hadn’t increased for many years. I wasn’t promoting any particular point of view just describing the data. The New Statesman jumped at it.
It caused quite a storm resulting in an Internet record number of comments that were complimentary by a large majority, although there were some less than supportive remarks. It evidently also caused quite a fuss in the offices of the New Statesman. Realclimate.com responded with, in my view, an unsatisfactory knock-down of my piece based on trend lines, which I had expected. Trend lines, especially of indeterminate length in the presence of noise, can tell you almost anything, and nothing.
The New Statesman environment correspondent Mark Lynas chipped in eventually with, “I’ll be blunt. Whitehouse got it wrong – completely wrong,” after saying he was initially reluctant to comment. He reproduced Realclimate.com’s trendlines argument and accused me of deliberately or otherwise setting out to deceive. It was a scientifically ignorant article which subsequent events, and peer-reviewed literature, emphasise. Moreover, when I asked New Statesman for redress against such an unnecessary, and in my view unprofessional insult, they declined, and stopped answering my emails. In doing so they missed out on an important, though perhaps inconvenient, scientific story.
More or Less
To my surprise interest in my article was worldwide, and eventually the BBC’s radio programme “More or Less” got in touch. The programme is about numbers and statistics and they set up a series of interviews. You can hear the programme here.
Almost at the last minute the programme-makers came up with the idea of a bet. It was for £100 that, using the HadCrut3 data set, there would be no new record set by 2011. It was made between climatologist James Annan and myself. His work involves analysing climatic data and validating climate models. He accepted enthusiastically as he has a perchant for taking on ‘sceptics.’ The presenter said that if the global temperature didn’t go up in the next few years, “there would be some explaining to do.”
Later today, January 13th, “More or Less” returns to the bet, which I am pleased to say I won, though I note that this bet, or its conclusion, is not yet mentioned on Annan’s Wikipedia entry despite his other climate bet being discussed.
Writing shortly after the wager was placed James Annan said he believed it was a fairly safe bet, though not certain, as the trend since the current warming spell began, around 1980, was upward (showing those same trendlines!) He drew a straight line from 1980 to 2007 and projected it forwards concluding that sometime over the next few years HadCrut3 would rise above its highest point which was in 1998 (a strong El Nino year.)
The problem with this approach is that it destroys all information in the dataset save the gradient of the straight line. In climate terms 30 years is usually held to be the shortest period to deduce trends (though shorter periods are used often if the trend deduced is deemed acceptable) but that is not to say there is not important information on shorter periods such as volcanic depressions, El Nino rises and La Nina dips. Then there are the so-called, poorly understood decadal variations.
My view was that the information in the dataset was important, especially if projecting it forward just a few years when natural variations were clearly dominant. Looking at HadCrut3 it is clear that there isn’t much of an increase in the 1980s, more of an increase in the 1990s, then there is the big 1998 El Nino, followed by no increase in the past decade or so. It therefore seemed far more likely that the temperature would continue what it had been doing in the recent past than revert to an upward trend, in the next few years at least.
My approach was to listen to the data. The approach taken by James Annan was flawed because he didn’t. He imposed a straight line on the data due to theoretical considerations. I always wonder about the wisdom of the approach that uses straight lines in climatic data. Why should such a complex system follow a straight line? Indeed, the rise of HadCrut3 is not a straight line, but the past ten years is, and that in my view is very curious, and highly significant.
Why, I wonder start the linear increase in 1980? Obviously the temperature starts rising then, but why not start the straight line in 1970? The answer is that the temperature is flat between 1970 and 1980. It seems illogical to take notice of flat data at the start of a dataset but totally ignore it at the end!
When a record is not a record
During the recent interview for “More or Less” James Annan said that had other temperature databases been used he would have won. This is a moot point that also strongly reaffirms my stance. In NasaGiss 2010 is the warmest year, with a temperature anomaly of 0.63 deg C, only one hundredth of a degree warmer than 2005, and within a whisker of 2007, 2006, 2002, 2001 and 1998. Given the 0.1 deg C errors even Nasa did not claim 2010 as a record. Technically speaking 2010 was slightly hotter because of a string El Nino. Otherwise, NasaGiss shows hardly any increase in the past decade.
During the “More or Less” interview the question arose of extending the bet to “double or quits” for the next five years. I was game for it with a proviso. Betting against a record for ten years raises a higher possibility that there might be a statistical fluctuation than betting for five years. Because of this I would like to see two annual datapoints, consecutively more than one sigma above the 2001 – date mean level. After all, that is the minimum statistical evidence one should accept as being an indication of warming. James Annan did not commit to such a bet during the programme.
It just has to start getting warmer soon.
Back in 2007 many commentators, activists and scientists, such as Lynas, said the halt in global temperatures wasn’t real. It is interesting that the Climategate emails showed that the certainty some scientists expressed about this issue in public was not mirrored in private. Indeed, one intemperate activist, determined to shoot my New Statesman article down but unable to muster the simple statistics required to tackle the statistical properties of only 30 data points, asked the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit and the Met Office, to provide reasons why I was wrong, which they couldn’t.
What was true in 2007 is even more so in 2012. Since 2007 the reality of the temperature standstill has been accepted and many explanations offered for it, more than can possibly be true! We have seen predictions that half of the years between 2009 and 2014 would be HadCrut3 records (a prediction that now can’t possibly come to pass) which was later modified to half of the years between 2010 and 2015 (likewise.) The Met Office predict that 2012 -16 will be on average 0.54 deg C above the HadCrut3 baseline level, and 2017 -2021 some 0.76 deg C higher. Temperatures must go up, and quickly.
So how long must this standstill go on until bigger questions are asked about the rate of global warming? When asked if he would be worried if there was no increase in the next five years James Annan would only say it would only indicate a lower rate of warming! Some say that 15 years is the period for serious questions.
We are already there
In a now famous (though even at the time obvious) interview in 2010 Prof Phil Jones of the University of East Anglia confirmed that there was no statistically significant warming since 1995. There was an upward trend, but it was statistically insignificant, which in scientific parlance equates to no trend at all. In 2011 Prof Jones told the BBC that due to the inclusion of the warmish 2010 there was now a statistically significant increase between 1995 and 2010. Since 2011 was cool it doesn’t take complicated statistics to show that the post 1995 trend by that method of calculation is now back to insignificant, though I don’t expect the BBC to update its story.
The lesson is that for the recent warming spell, the one that begins about 1980, the years of standstill now exceed those with a year-on-year increase. It is the standstill, not the increase, that is now this warm period’s defining characteristic.
The nature of the anthropogenic global warming signal is that, unlike natural fluctuations, it is always additive. Sooner or later, it is argued, it will emerge unambiguously, perhaps at different times in different parts of the world, but it must emerge. Some argue that by the time it does it will already be too late, but that is another debate.
James Annan is keen on a “money markets” approach to forecasting global warming, and bemoans the reticence of so-called climate sceptics to put their money where their mouth is! I hope that his early-stage financial loss won’t be too much of a setback and a deterrence for potential investors, not that I will be among them.
Now that I am joining the ranks of those who have made money out of global warming (or rather the lack of it) I wonder where the smart money will be placed in the future.
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Well done David, though I think you stuck your neck out a bit on double or quits. People should also remember that, in 2009, before ‘climategate’ and at a time when all silly predictions of doom were repeated in the press without scrutiny “The Met Office said that warming is set to resume quickly and strongly. It predicted that from 2010 to 2015 at least half the years will be hotter than the current hottest year on record (1998)”. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8299079.stm
Reuters sent this message worldwide saying, “Global warming is forecast to set in with a vengeance after 2009, with at least half of the five following years expected to be hotter than 1998”
http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/08/09/us-climate-warming-idUSN0837368420070809
Well, how is that forecast shaping up? The beauty of the internet is that these claims are not so easily forgotten.
It was 100 pounds – which is about $175. Still a lot less than $10k.
You Deniers have got it all wrong. Global warming is continuing all the time but for last decade or so it has been masked by the Gore Effect. If Al Gore had not been jetting around the world to inform everyone of the perils we face then our instruments would have recorded higher readings. We will soon know how to incorporate the Gore Effect in our climate models and when we have done that the data will have to be revised upwards and it will be obvious then that Dr Annan was the real winner of the bet.
Rather than being quoted as the 11th warmest year, it is more likely to be the 9th warmest year this century. Same data, just a different spin.
@chris M – or the 3rd coldest of this century. 😉
INFLUENCE OF CHOICE OF TIME PERIOD ON GLOBAL SURFACE TEMPERATURE TREND ESTIMATES http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/people/brant.liebmann/papers/global_change/global.change-final.pdf is a useful paper in this regard
If you look at Fig 5c (adjust to one sided because we’re testing for warming) it suggests periods of less than 20 years haven’t really had significant warming trends in them. Overlaid on Fig 1 it gives an idea of what the corresponding values of the trends are.
Pointless. William Connolley will change it back before the bits are dry.
Robin says:
January 13, 2012 at 11:43 am
“I don’t know how to put these diagrams onto a blog, I’m afraid. Any advice or hand-holding, please? ”
If you want to publish some snippets, try this:
http://www.pen.io
Edit note:
I think you got that wackbards. Or SLT.
The shorter the period the more likelihood of a “noisy” deviation from actual “trend lines”.
“Predictions, Neils Bohr once said, are difficult, especially about the future”
“It’s tough to make predictions, especially about the future.” — Yogi Berra
Maybe Yogi Berra was a better physicist than people give him credit for.
Don’t mind betting I ain’t gunna fry before I die but The Thames To Be Frozen Solid Between Tower Bridge & London Bridge before 30 Apr 2012!
Fair suck of the sauce bottle! We might be sceptics but we are not skeptoholics.
http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/en-gb/betting/t/432/Weather-Specials.html
>> It predicted that from 2010 to 2015 at least half the years will be hotter
>> than the current hottest year on record. Reuters sent this message world-
>> wide saying, “Global warming is forecast to set in with a vengeance after 2009,
>> with at least half of the five following years expected to be hotter than 1998″
Reuters can’t count. 2010 to 2015 is six years.
Carrick says:
January 13, 2012 at 10:32 am
“Practically what they’ve found is given current levels of pollution controls, even assuming a high-sensitivitivy climate model, that we could be in for another 30+ years of more or less constant temperature. (Think 1950-1980 repeating itself). ”
To this day, the net influence of aerosols is defined by “as the model requires”.
Thank you agiurfa for your well wishes. It still seems worth resisting those who think that global warming is “one more reason to go on an energy diet.” (Romney, p227) And it’s really no trouble at all 🙂
The sale of hundreds of millions of Styron Smart Meters worldwide would certainly help to keep people on their “energy diet.” Romney does currently receive an income from Bain/Styron, and Romney does support worldwide emissions reductions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Mitt_Romney
A silly bet to make over such a short time frame, accentuated by the fact that although the bet was made in 2008 Anthony chose Jan 2007 to start the graph that goes with the story, being one of the highest anomalies on record. Anthony would this be to create a much prettier little picture for your site? Why not start the graph Jan 2008, closer to when the bet was made? Trend line from that graph a bit too steep for WUWT? Anyway which ever way you look at it the line points up even despite a very strong La Nina phase 2010/11. But Anthony you should well know that both graphs are unhelpful and tell us very little anyway. More interesting is this:
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/nhshgl.gif
Besides all the evidence, it just seems an impossible coincidence that so many scientists could have predicted in the late seventies and eighties that global temperatures will rise sharply due to greenhouse gas emissions but then they started to rise from totally unrelated natural causes at exactly the same time. I am not into statistics or probablity but I wouldn’t mind seeing someone have a go at quantifying that possibility.
Anyway well done to Mr Whitehouse on his (irrelevant) pyrrhic victory.
[REPLY: Talk about sore losers…. and I don’t think the term “pyrrhic victory” means what you seem to think it means. -REP]
Nick, no bet is silly when you are able to see the outcome in our lifetime and
declare: “The winner …..is…..” Each party has the same go and can do its best….
Concerning predictions: The great Millenium predictions of the IPCC Warmists,
the AR3 (2001), fluctuate between 1 and 5 degrees for 2100, but are
all identical in the warming rate for 2000-2030 with 0.2 C/decade.
…….But since 2001, however, the temp plateau started to emerge, the predicted heat
is now stuck in a “pipeline”, as Hansen says, but Millenium AR3 predictions
showed nothing like hiding heat …… A real Warmist nowadays is scared of bets for
time spans for which we can declare a winner….
JS
Hahaha – I went to the RC link, and the wanker Gavin had a graph on it showing the trend with a bunch of little 8-year trend lines lying over it like pick-up sticks. It only went up to 2007.
First of all, I am sure that the latest 8-year trend ‘sticks’ will show trending level or downward.
Secondly, I have never understood this penchant in climate for using straight-line linear analysis. There ARE no straight-line trends in nature. So why pretend that there are? (just as there is no such useful thing as a “global average temperature” – especially in the distant past and even more specially a trend in the tenths of degrees.)
Thirdly, nature goes in cycles. It not only doesn’t go in straight lines, it doesn’t even go in upward curved lines for very long. What goes up must come down. One would have thought the CRU/HS Team and Gavin and the rest of the Sky Is Falling! crowd would have learned that in 2nd grade with the rest of us.
I commend Whitehouse for taking what was basically a 50-50 bet. He was betting that what went up WAS coming down. He and everyone else here in SkepticLand. A lot of us would have liked to take that bet, too.
Hmmm … one skeptical predictor beat one nonskeptical predictor “by a nose”.
One the other hand, it appears that a whole pack of Arctic scientists each beat a WattsUpWithThat consensus prediction (second column from the right) by a country mile!
WUWT, indeed? 🙂
[REPLY: You’re not real good at reading graphs, are you? -REP]
I seem to recall that some years ago Mcintrick (I think) proposed a tax on carbon fuels based on global temperatures.
If temperatures go up, so does the tax, if it goes down, so does the tax.
I thought it was brilliant.
@Nick Kermode
Get a life mate
“Richard G says:
January 13, 2012 at 1:15 pm
“Predictions, Neils Bohr once said, are difficult, especially about the future”
“It’s tough to make predictions, especially about the future.” — Yogi Berra
Maybe Yogi Berra was a better physicist than people give him credit for.”
He was.
My favorite Yogiism : “You can observe a lot by watching “
Post-1995 (that is, from 1/1996 to 11/2011, inclusive), the linear trend for HadCRUT3 is 0.074 +/- 0.019 C/decade. That’s statistically significant.
“Rather than being quoted as the 11th warmest year, it is more likely to be the 9th warmest year this century. Same data, just a different spin.”
Nope, it will be quoted as the 9th warmest year this ‘millenium’. Same data, even better spin.
Nick Kermode says:
January 13, 2012 at 1:49 pm
“Besides all the evidence, it just seems an impossible coincidence that so many scientists could have predicted in the late seventies and eighties that global temperatures will rise sharply due to greenhouse gas emissions but then they started to rise from totally unrelated natural causes at exactly the same time.”
Okay, let’s just assume that they switched from predicting an Ice Age to predicting Global Warming in 1976, a year after the “Our Endangered Atmosphere” conference with Ehrlich, Mead, Schneider and Lovelock.
All of them.
All of them?
No, it turns out Schneider and Hansen were early adopters, but the rest jumped onboard later.
http://www.real-science.com/1988-trenberth-was-a-denier
Maybe you’re confusing cause and effect. Most of those “many scientists” only switched to predicting catastrophic warming when it became clear that it would be the next fashion – in fact, as late as after Hansen’s 1988 congress presentation.
Here’s a longer timeline of the fashion cycles.
http://butnowyouknow.wordpress.com/those-who-fail-to-learn-from-history/climate-change-timeline/
I didn’t check for correlation with the PDO or AMO or LOD or sunspots, but wouldn’t be surprised to find a good one.
feet2thefire says: January 13, 2012 at 1:49 pm
… It only went up to 2007.
That is odd!
I thought that the rules were:
1. When graphing Ice you stop at Oct 2007
2. Only graph Arctic Ice
3. When graphing Temperature you stop at 1998
4. If 1930 must appear in a temperature graph then you must start at lowest point of the Little Ice Age
It appears that Gavin may have confused Ice and Temperature.
feet2thefire says:
just as there is no such useful thing as a “global average temperature”
Of course there is. Any smooth function has an average. For temperature it’s
= (1/area_of_globe) integral_over_globe T(r,theta,t)
where r and theta are the polar coordinates of the Earth’s surface, and t is time. In practice, the integral is determined by a sum over a finite number of points.
Why a linear trend? Because to first-order all functions are linear; that is, for small time intervals any function of time can be approximate by
T(t) = a+b*(t-t0)
where a=T(t0) and b=(dT/dt)(t0) are constants and t0 is some reference time. This is a good approximation if If t-t0 is “small,” i.e. T(t) does not change “much” over that interval.