
Press release
London, 13 January: A climate bet proposed by the BBC’s radio programme “More or Less” four years ago has been won by Dr David Whitehouse, a former BBC Science Editor and a scientific adviser to the Global Warming Policy Foundation.
In 2008, the BBC programme-makers came up with the idea of a bet. It was for £100 that, using the Met Office’s data set (HadCrut3), there would be no new warming record set by 2011. It was made between Dr Whitehouse and climatologist Dr James Annan.
Later today, the BBC’s “More or Less” (16:30 on BBC Radio 4) will report about the outcome of the bet and announce the winner.
A full report of the scientific background to the bet is available here:
Winning A Climate Bet
by Dr. David Whitehouse, the Global Warming Policy Foundation
Predictions, Neils Bohr once said, are difficult, especially about the future. They are even more interesting however, when there is money at stake.
In December 2007 I wrote what I thought was quite a straightforward article for the New Statesman pointing out that it was curious that when so many voices were telling us that global warming was out of control, and that the global warming effect dwarfed natural fluctuations, the global annual average temperature hadn’t increased for many years. I wasn’t promoting any particular point of view just describing the data. The New Statesman jumped at it.
It caused quite a storm resulting in an Internet record number of comments that were complimentary by a large majority, although there were some less than supportive remarks. It evidently also caused quite a fuss in the offices of the New Statesman. Realclimate.com responded with, in my view, an unsatisfactory knock-down of my piece based on trend lines, which I had expected. Trend lines, especially of indeterminate length in the presence of noise, can tell you almost anything, and nothing.
The New Statesman environment correspondent Mark Lynas chipped in eventually with, “I’ll be blunt. Whitehouse got it wrong – completely wrong,” after saying he was initially reluctant to comment. He reproduced Realclimate.com’s trendlines argument and accused me of deliberately or otherwise setting out to deceive. It was a scientifically ignorant article which subsequent events, and peer-reviewed literature, emphasise. Moreover, when I asked New Statesman for redress against such an unnecessary, and in my view unprofessional insult, they declined, and stopped answering my emails. In doing so they missed out on an important, though perhaps inconvenient, scientific story.
More or Less
To my surprise interest in my article was worldwide, and eventually the BBC’s radio programme “More or Less” got in touch. The programme is about numbers and statistics and they set up a series of interviews. You can hear the programme here.
Almost at the last minute the programme-makers came up with the idea of a bet. It was for £100 that, using the HadCrut3 data set, there would be no new record set by 2011. It was made between climatologist James Annan and myself. His work involves analysing climatic data and validating climate models. He accepted enthusiastically as he has a perchant for taking on ‘sceptics.’ The presenter said that if the global temperature didn’t go up in the next few years, “there would be some explaining to do.”
Later today, January 13th, “More or Less” returns to the bet, which I am pleased to say I won, though I note that this bet, or its conclusion, is not yet mentioned on Annan’s Wikipedia entry despite his other climate bet being discussed.
Writing shortly after the wager was placed James Annan said he believed it was a fairly safe bet, though not certain, as the trend since the current warming spell began, around 1980, was upward (showing those same trendlines!) He drew a straight line from 1980 to 2007 and projected it forwards concluding that sometime over the next few years HadCrut3 would rise above its highest point which was in 1998 (a strong El Nino year.)
The problem with this approach is that it destroys all information in the dataset save the gradient of the straight line. In climate terms 30 years is usually held to be the shortest period to deduce trends (though shorter periods are used often if the trend deduced is deemed acceptable) but that is not to say there is not important information on shorter periods such as volcanic depressions, El Nino rises and La Nina dips. Then there are the so-called, poorly understood decadal variations.
My view was that the information in the dataset was important, especially if projecting it forward just a few years when natural variations were clearly dominant. Looking at HadCrut3 it is clear that there isn’t much of an increase in the 1980s, more of an increase in the 1990s, then there is the big 1998 El Nino, followed by no increase in the past decade or so. It therefore seemed far more likely that the temperature would continue what it had been doing in the recent past than revert to an upward trend, in the next few years at least.
My approach was to listen to the data. The approach taken by James Annan was flawed because he didn’t. He imposed a straight line on the data due to theoretical considerations. I always wonder about the wisdom of the approach that uses straight lines in climatic data. Why should such a complex system follow a straight line? Indeed, the rise of HadCrut3 is not a straight line, but the past ten years is, and that in my view is very curious, and highly significant.
Why, I wonder start the linear increase in 1980? Obviously the temperature starts rising then, but why not start the straight line in 1970? The answer is that the temperature is flat between 1970 and 1980. It seems illogical to take notice of flat data at the start of a dataset but totally ignore it at the end!
When a record is not a record
During the recent interview for “More or Less” James Annan said that had other temperature databases been used he would have won. This is a moot point that also strongly reaffirms my stance. In NasaGiss 2010 is the warmest year, with a temperature anomaly of 0.63 deg C, only one hundredth of a degree warmer than 2005, and within a whisker of 2007, 2006, 2002, 2001 and 1998. Given the 0.1 deg C errors even Nasa did not claim 2010 as a record. Technically speaking 2010 was slightly hotter because of a string El Nino. Otherwise, NasaGiss shows hardly any increase in the past decade.
During the “More or Less” interview the question arose of extending the bet to “double or quits” for the next five years. I was game for it with a proviso. Betting against a record for ten years raises a higher possibility that there might be a statistical fluctuation than betting for five years. Because of this I would like to see two annual datapoints, consecutively more than one sigma above the 2001 – date mean level. After all, that is the minimum statistical evidence one should accept as being an indication of warming. James Annan did not commit to such a bet during the programme.
It just has to start getting warmer soon.
Back in 2007 many commentators, activists and scientists, such as Lynas, said the halt in global temperatures wasn’t real. It is interesting that the Climategate emails showed that the certainty some scientists expressed about this issue in public was not mirrored in private. Indeed, one intemperate activist, determined to shoot my New Statesman article down but unable to muster the simple statistics required to tackle the statistical properties of only 30 data points, asked the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit and the Met Office, to provide reasons why I was wrong, which they couldn’t.
What was true in 2007 is even more so in 2012. Since 2007 the reality of the temperature standstill has been accepted and many explanations offered for it, more than can possibly be true! We have seen predictions that half of the years between 2009 and 2014 would be HadCrut3 records (a prediction that now can’t possibly come to pass) which was later modified to half of the years between 2010 and 2015 (likewise.) The Met Office predict that 2012 -16 will be on average 0.54 deg C above the HadCrut3 baseline level, and 2017 -2021 some 0.76 deg C higher. Temperatures must go up, and quickly.
So how long must this standstill go on until bigger questions are asked about the rate of global warming? When asked if he would be worried if there was no increase in the next five years James Annan would only say it would only indicate a lower rate of warming! Some say that 15 years is the period for serious questions.
We are already there
In a now famous (though even at the time obvious) interview in 2010 Prof Phil Jones of the University of East Anglia confirmed that there was no statistically significant warming since 1995. There was an upward trend, but it was statistically insignificant, which in scientific parlance equates to no trend at all. In 2011 Prof Jones told the BBC that due to the inclusion of the warmish 2010 there was now a statistically significant increase between 1995 and 2010. Since 2011 was cool it doesn’t take complicated statistics to show that the post 1995 trend by that method of calculation is now back to insignificant, though I don’t expect the BBC to update its story.
The lesson is that for the recent warming spell, the one that begins about 1980, the years of standstill now exceed those with a year-on-year increase. It is the standstill, not the increase, that is now this warm period’s defining characteristic.
The nature of the anthropogenic global warming signal is that, unlike natural fluctuations, it is always additive. Sooner or later, it is argued, it will emerge unambiguously, perhaps at different times in different parts of the world, but it must emerge. Some argue that by the time it does it will already be too late, but that is another debate.
James Annan is keen on a “money markets” approach to forecasting global warming, and bemoans the reticence of so-called climate sceptics to put their money where their mouth is! I hope that his early-stage financial loss won’t be too much of a setback and a deterrence for potential investors, not that I will be among them.
Now that I am joining the ranks of those who have made money out of global warming (or rather the lack of it) I wonder where the smart money will be placed in the future.
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Listened to this on Radio 4 just now, still arguing the toss. Now they’re are extending the bet (double or quits) over the next four years
I can speak from some experience in the tropics. Older Hawaiian homes have fire places. From about 1994 – 2009, we had about 5 fires total, Previous to 1994 we had about a dozen a year to stave off cold. In 2010, formerly the warmest year on record, we needed about a dozen and that has continued into 2011. We have already had a few in 2012. My fire place usage indicator says it is getting colder.
I’ve done well betting against the warmists in 2011 on Intrade, here, despite its using GISS data:
https://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/?eventGroupId=7620
I wish there were more warmists over there. They’re the ones that seem reticent to me.
Rather than “double of quits”, take your winnings now and graciously offer to take Dr. Annan’s money again with a similar bet on the next 4 years.
You can place bets on temps, arctic ice extent, hurricanes, etc at spread betting sites
(eg: https://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/?eventClassId=20 ). $80 billion may be a bit much!
If you don’t want to risk real money, use quatloos at Lucia.
Still haven’t had a satisfactory answer to this question, scientifically or not: What “anthropogenic global warming signal”.
Scott Covert says:
January 13, 2012 at 6:41 am
…The climate system is chaotic and there are hundreds if not thousands of factors in a constant tug of war and a steady rise in C02 can not bias the whole system above the noise level in my opinion. AGW is a convenient myth used as political leverage over economic control.
Wow, that was not original at all and I bet everyone here is tired of hearing it. It’s so obvious, it hardly needs mentioning.
No, it needs mentioning because one of the essential Propaganda Tactics employed by Climate Science’s “method”, and by Warmists commenting right here at WUWT, is to simply repeat their unscientific tactics and memes in the hope that their method will “win” by affecting people reading or viewing anywhere who don’t know what “mainstream” Climate Science’s CO2 = CAGW really is – a gigantic Propaganda Op. which intentionally avoids the principles and practice of real science. [That’s why they all here at WUWT, and many at large, don’t seem bothered by Climate Science’s abject failures qua real science.]
Therefore, the fact that Climate Science’s CO2 = CAGW alleged hypotheses have not produced even one relevant correct empirical prediction yet should be hammered home to everyone everywhere.
And now also the fact that Climate Science’s “hypotheses” cannot even explain the most recent past, for example according to Jones’ own 15 year standard of no increase in Temp. for seriously doubting AGW, whereby Dr. Whitehouse concludes that “we’re already there”:
“The lesson is that for the recent warming spell, the one that begins about 1980, the years of standstill now exceed those with a year-on-year increase. It is the standstill, not the increase, that is now this warm period’s defining characteristic.”
Richard111 says:
January 13, 2012 at 9:03 am
“Just listened to the program. No mention of CO2 or carbon dioxide. Just disultery talk about global warming occuring or not. Anyway, the bet still seems to be on for double or quits.
And another four years before the BBC has to pronounce on global cooling. :-(”
Do you mean that they have agreed that the first bet is undecided? A “double or nothing” bet is considered a new bet, not a continuation of a bet.
Kelvin Vaughan says:
January 13, 2012 at 7:48 am
Take the CET daily maximum temperatures for December 1900. Add them up.
Take the CET daily maximum temperatures for December 2011. Add them up.
December 2011 has been very mild here in the UK. The total for 2011 is only 90% of that for 1900.
Do the same with the minimums. The total for 2011 is only 67% of that for 1900!
Now draw a straight line from 1900 to 2011.
Holy crap! We’re doomed! Where’s my snowblower?
David, congratulations on winning your bet, but I think you are overstating the case against linear trends. Here’s a modified version of from a comment I’ve made recently on Jeff ID’s blog, slightly edited here:
You can look at the effect of short-period weather fluctuations on the uncertainty in the trend estimations as I did here. As the trend interval shortens, the uncertainty becomes large enough to essentially make any predictive power of the linear trend meaningless.
Of course using four years and a linear trend to extrapolate future temperature is just….dumb. So is using any linear trend, regardless of the start and stop intervals, to predict future climate change. All the trend is telling you is something about the rate at which temperature changed over a specified interval, and using ordinary least squares to do this (instead of e.g. eyeballing the trend) is you get some rejection of short-period climate fluctuations (and as the period is increased, the amount of rejection is improved).
But because this was the historical rate of temperature change (which we would assume has something to do with the historical forcings present at that time) tells you absolutely nothing about expected future changes in temperature, not without knowing the key anthropogenic and natural forcings. Everybody is conscious of the importance of CO2 as a forcing that tends to includes global mean temperature. Many are not as cognizant of the influence of man-made pollutants (especially sulfate) which tend to cool climate. To give an idea of how important these are just look at what GISS Model E now assumes. What you see is prior to 1970, there was essentially zero net anthropogenic forcings assumed in the model.
Given that much of the new CO2 production over the next several decades are coming from industrializing nations (which produce a lot more pollutants than fully industrialized nations of course, mainly through coal-fired plants), we really don’t know what the future course of anthropogenic aerosol emissions will look like. NASA recently addressed this question ,
Figure
Practically what they’ve found is given current levels of pollution controls, even assuming a high-sensitivitivy climate model, that we could be in for another 30+ years of more or less constant temperature. (Think 1950-1980 repeating itself). Whether there is a “rebound” once pollution controls are eventually set in place, is something that only time will tell.
Neo says:
January 13, 2012 at 8:13 am
It’s tough to make predictions, especially about the future. — Yogi Berra
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The quote attributed to Neils Bohr dates back to 1918, about 7 years before Yogi was born. Seems as though Bohr may have borrowed the quote from someone before him.
My bet is that the next 10 years 2011-2020 will show warming. Statistically insignificant warming – just like the past 30 years. Congrats on winning the bet and did you collect Dr. Whitehouse?
cui bono says:
January 13, 2012 at 9:14 am
You can place bets on temps, arctic ice extent, hurricanes, etc at spread betting sites
(eg: https://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/?eventClassId=20 ). $80 billion may be a bit much!
If you don’t want to risk real money, use quatloos at Lucia.
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Better yet, bet Carbon Credits.
Fantastic! Echos of the famous Julian Simon and Paul Ehrlich bet back in the 80’s.
Re the Yogi/Bohr comments. I’ve always thought Yogi was a student of Bohr. Yogi’s comments have a quantum feel to them. http://www.workinghumor.com/quotes/yogi_berra.shtml
@Zeke: Do not worry about it, you will uselessly spend the energy we all need for living a healthy life. Just wait and see…as the chinese proverb says: “Wait seated at your front door and you´ll see the corpse of your enemy passing by”…though most of them do not qualify as “enemies”, this is a word reserved for real warriors, instead… just watch the circus and enjoy the clowns or, if you have a compassionate heart, be sympathetic toward them: they suffer, you don´t, because the least you need the richest you are. Peace and love!
Congratulations to David Whitehouse on winning the bet. It seems it was not luck that swung it, but superior data analysis. The mark of good science is not in predicting the obvious, but to predicting the unlikely. Dr Annan, RealClimate and Mark Lynas all stepped in the demonstrate the obvious view. On predictive ability Dr Whitehouse most likely has the superior science.
Only $100 eh?
How about this, then?
“Two climate change sceptics, who believe the dangers of global warming are overstated, have put their money where their mouth is and bet $10,000 that the planet will cool over the next decade.
The Russian solar physicists Galina Mashnich and Vladimir Bashkirtsev have agreed the wager with a British climate expert, James Annan.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2005/aug/19/climatechange.climatechangeenvironment
A relevant issue is a prediction that the Met Office made in 2007. But I am unable to get the Wayback Machine to help find the following:
http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/2007/pr20070810.html
Can anyone help?
Rich.
David is courageous and spotted the “standstill trend”, already back in 2007, against
the arrogant Warmist front (IPCC AR3 and AR4)……predicting alarming temp increases…
….. interesting enough: No Warmist nowadays steps foreward and makes predictions,
out of fear, understandably….. (except for periods after 2050…after our lifetimes….)
One exception: Warmist Mrs Judith Lean, with 0.14 C global increase until 2014….
…… the next one, to be wrong….
One more exception: Mr. S. Rahmstorf, PIK Potsdam, Germany, proposed a climate bet
for 2010 to 2020 (blog Climate Lounge, post: Neue Klimawette), as soon as took the
offer, the post was halted)….. he took the bet off himself, I offered 2,000 EU……
To add is the following: There were decadal temp increases in the past 20 Cty,
but this time we reached a top flat TEMP PLATEAU, where temps cannot rise any further.
A further increase is absolutely impossible….this can clearly be demonstrated with
convincing Earth’s orbit calculations on decadal time spans….
JS
Seems as if climatists are happy if their statistical GCMs (they are Global Circulation Models; not Climate models) predict; excuse me, that’s project, the future trend of the global mean Temperature (izzat global mean surface, ground,hardstuff,wetstuff, or lower troposphere, air/GHGs/aerosols/cigar smoke) to better than tossing a coin statistics.
So far, it doesn’t seem as if they can even predict the past that was used to fudge fit the models (seems there are at least 13 of these “models”). It would be nice if they all would confer, and decide which of the 13 models we should believe.
For me, I’ll start paying attention to the models, if and when they can PREDICT to say better than the coin toss three sigma probability, the DIRECTION of the very next experimental observation of that Temperature. Don’t care how far it will move; just will it move up or move down from the last experimentally observed value.
Everyone (warmists and their antagonists) seem to be fixated on first order linear models as a representation of “climate”. However, many – generally sceptics – have pointed out that “climate” does not fit readily into this simple framework, whose merits are chiefly associated with its very amenable underlying “maths”.
What always surprises me is that I have /never/ seen anyone publishing, in climate science, a fitted “trend line” together with its confidence intervals. The famous Excel, beloved of Phil Jones, does not seem to do it – unless you set to with some fairly fancy spreadsheet calculations.
I compute many trend lines, often just for the hell of it, knowing that they have only a somewhat fleeting intersection with the real world of climate. I /always/ generate the confidence intervals (usually at the 95% level, since this for some strange reason, seems to be the default probability level in most people’s minds) for a further single observation, and for the fitted line. These curves are pairs of hyperbolae in the case of simple regression, or much more complicated (and interesting) shapes if you choose to fit a second or third order linear model. How do I do it? By using software that I wrote about thirty years ago. Why doesn’t someone else do this?
I don’t know how to put these diagrams onto a blog, I’m afraid. Any advice or hand-holding, please?
What is blatantly evident is that HadCrut3 is nowhere near displaying a significant slope (in either direction) for the last 15 or more years. How do the warmistas manage to find the gall to put forward their fanciful interpretations of what are, after all, fairly straightforward time series data?
Over to you.
Robin
To Clive Best at 6:52 am:
I’m not used to reading the raw HADCru data, but if I didn’t make a mistake, is 2011 the 12th, not 11th warmest year? 1997 also looks warmer than 2011?
Not that it makes much difference….
To Joachim Seivfert at 11:29 AM:
Judith Lean is a solar scientist. She has made an online prediction. She may well turn out to be wrong, but I give her kudos for doing what the hard line warmists won’t do. And if she turns out to be wrong, I think that unlike Schmidt or Trenberth or Wigley or Jones or Mann, she has the integrity — as in scientific integrity — to ask herself what happened. You might not like her prediction, or her current positions, but don’t put Judith Lean in the same camp as Schmidt and Jones and Mann and the others.
John, her prediction is 1. solar cycle (going down in strength for some years), but no
significant temp increase will come from the solar side, leaving 2. the temp increase to AGW!
…… ok, she may not be a front liner, keeping in the 2. or 3. row….. she dared to step
foreward with a prediction and the wind will blow her over in 2014, in the year of reckoning…
… we are still around this year…..
If she had the courage to switch the “camp”…this would make things different…
Her prediction in 2011 served the Warmists as they were hard pressed last year. (and this
will be stronger this year due to the temp plateau of the 21 Cty and the “hiding heat problem”..)
………a solar expert’s opinion puts weights into the wrong scales…
JS
In case no one has posted it yet, here’s a link to the programme:
http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/radio4/moreorless/moreorless_20120113-1645a.mp3
I propose Climate Science funding should be calculated from how much the 5y smoothed global temperature deviates from their predictions. On prediction=100%, -1s.d.=85%, -2s.d.=35% -3s.d.=5%.