From the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, where worry about climate change gets equal time alongside their original mission; nuclear holocaust, apparently they haven’t noticed that the Fukashima incident is over and no lives were lost and that there been no statistically significant warming in the past 10+ years.
In the first press release (they have two for some reason), they have this to say:
Allison Macfarlane, chair, BAS Science and Security Board, member, Blue Ribbon Commission on American’s Nuclear Future, and associate professor, George Mason University, said:
“The global community may be near a point of no return in efforts to prevent catastrophe from changes in Earth’s atmosphere. The International Energy Agency projects that, unless societies begin building alternatives to carbon-emitting energy technologies over the next five years, the world is doomed to a warmer climate, harsher weather, droughts, famine, water scarcity, rising sea levels, loss of island nations, and increasing ocean acidification. Since fossil-fuel burning power plants and infrastructure built in 2012-2020 will produce energy—and emissions—for 40 to 50 years, the actions taken in the next few years will set us on a path that will be impossible to redirect. Even if policy leaders decide in the future to reduce reliance on carbon-emitting technologies, it will be too late.”
Here’s the other press release:
Doomsday Clock moves to five minutes to midnight
10 January 2012It is five minutes to midnight. Two years ago, it appeared that world leaders might address the truly global threats that we face. In many cases, that trend has not continued or been reversed. For that reason, the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists is moving the clock hand one minute closer to midnight, back to its time in 2007.
Nuclear disarmament
Despite the promise of a new spirit of international cooperation, and reductions in tensions between the United States and Russia, the Science and Security Board believes that the path toward a world free of nuclear weapons is not at all clear, and leadership is failing. The ratification in December 2010 of the New START treaty between Russia and the United States reversed the previous drift in US-Russia nuclear relations. However, failure to act on the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty by leaders in the United States, China, Iran, India, Pakistan, Egypt, Israel, and North Korea and on a treaty to cut off production of nuclear weapons material continues to leave the world at risk from continued development of nuclear weapons. The world still has approximately 19,500 nuclear weapons, enough power to destroy the Earth’s inhabitants several times over. The Nuclear Security Summit of 2010 shone a spotlight on securing all nuclear fissile material, but few actions have been taken. The result is that it is still possible for radical groups to acquire and use highly enriched uranium and plutonium to wreak havoc in nuclear attacks.
Obstacles to a world free of nuclear weapons remain. Among these are disagreements between the United States and Russia about the utility and purposes of missile defense, as well as insufficient transparency, planning, and cooperation among the nine nuclear weapons states to support a continuing drawdown. The resulting distrust leads nearly all nuclear weapons states to hedge their bets by modernizing their nuclear arsenals. While governments claim they are only ensuring the safety of their warheads through replacement of bomb components and launch systems, as the deliberate process of arms reduction proceeds, such developments appear to other states to be signs of substantial military build-ups.
The Science and Security Board also reviewed progress in meeting the challenges of nuclear weapons proliferation. Ambiguity about Iran’s nuclear power program continues to be the most prominent example of this unsolved problem — centrifuges can enrich uranium for both civilian power plants and military weapons. It remains to be seen how many additional countries will pursue nuclear power, but without solutions to the dual-use problem and without incentives sufficient to resist military applications, the world is playing with the explosive potential of a million suns and a fire that will not go out.
The potential for nuclear weapons use in regional conflicts in the Middle East, Northeast Asia, and particularly in South Asia is also alarming. Ongoing efforts to ease tensions, deal with extremism and terrorist acts, and reduce the role of nuclear weapons in international relations have had only halting success. Yet we believe that international diplomatic pressure as well as burgeoning citizen action will help political leaders to see the folly of continuing to rely on nuclear weapons for national security.
Nuclear energy
In light of over 60 years of improving reactor designs and developing nuclear fission for safer power production, it is disheartening that the world has suffered another calamitous accident. Given this history, the Fukushima disaster raised significant questions that the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists’ Science and Security Board believe must be addressed. Safer nuclear reactor designs need to be developed and built, and more stringent oversight, training, and attention are needed to prevent future disasters. A major question to be addressed is: How can complex systems like nuclear power stations be made less susceptible to accidents and errors in judgment?
Climate change
In fact, the global community may be near a point of no return in efforts to prevent catastrophe from changes in Earth’s atmosphere. The International Energy Agency projects that, unless societies begin building alternatives to carbon-emitting energy technologies over the next five years, the world is doomed to a warmer climate, harsher weather, droughts, famine, water scarcity, rising sea levels, loss of island nations, and increasing ocean acidification. Since fossil-fuel burning power plants and infrastructure built in 2012-2020 will produce energy — and emissions — for 40 to 50 years, the actions taken in the next few years will set us on a path that will be impossible to redirect. Even if policy leaders decide in the future to reduce reliance on carbon-emitting technologies, it will be too late.
Among the existing alternatives for producing base-load electricity with low carbon dioxide emissions is nuclear power. Russia, China, India, and South Korea will likely continue to construct plants, enrich fuel, and shape the global nuclear power industry.
Countries that had earlier signaled interest in building nuclear power capacity, such as Vietnam, United Arab Emirates, Turkey, and others, are still intent on acquiring civilian nuclear reactors for electricity despite the Fukushima disaster. However, a number of countries have renounced nuclear power, including Germany, Italy, and Switzerland. In Japan, only eight of 54 power plants currently operate because prefecture governors, responding to people’s opposition to nuclear power, have not allowed reactors back online. In the United States, increased costs of additional safety measures may make nuclear power too expensive to be a realistic alternative to natural gas and other fossil fuels.
The hopeful news is that alternatives to burning coal, oil, and uranium for energy continue to show promise. Solar and photovoltaic technologies are seeing reductions in price, wind turbines are being adopted for commercial electricity, and energy conservation and efficiency are becoming accepted as sources for industrial production and residential use. Many of these developments are taking place at municipal and local levels in countries around the world. In Haiti, for example, a nonprofit group is distributing solar-powered light bulbs to the poor. In Germany, a smart electrical grid is shifting solar-generated power to cloudy regions and wind power to becalmed areas. And in California, government is placing caps on carbon emissions that industry will meet. While not perfect, these technologies and practices hold substantial promise.
Yet, we are very concerned that the pace of change may not be adequate and that the transformation that seems to be on its way will not take place in time to meet the hardships that large-scale disruption of the climate portends. As we see it, the major challenge at the heart of humanity’s survival in the 21st century is how to meet energy needs for economic growth in developing and industrial countries without further damaging the climate, without exposing people to loss of health and community, and without risking further spread of nuclear weapons.
The challenges to rid the world of nuclear weapons, harness nuclear power, and meet the nearly inexorable climate disruptions from global warming are complex and interconnected. In the face of such complex problems, it is difficult to see where the capacity lies to address these challenges. The political processes in place seem wholly inadequate to meet the challenges to human existence that we confront.
As such, the Science and Security Board is heartened by the Arab Spring, the Occupy movements, political protests in Russia, and by the actions of ordinary citizens in Japan as they call for fair treatment and attention to their needs. Whether meeting the challenges of nuclear power, or mitigating the suffering from human-caused global warming, or preventing catastrophic nuclear conflict in a volatile world, the power of people is essential. For this reason, we ask other scientists and experts to join us in engaging ordinary citizens. Together, we can present the most significant questions to policymakers and industry leaders. Most important, we can demand answers and action. As the first atomic scientists of the Bulletin recognized in 1948, the burden of disseminating information about the social and economic “implications of nuclear energy and other new scientific developments rests with the intelligent citizens of the world; the intense and continuing cooperation of the scientists is assured.”
Few of the Bulletin‘s recommendations of 2010 have been taken up; they still require urgent attention if we are to avert catastrophe from nuclear weapons and global warming. At a minimum these include:
- Ratification by the United States and China of the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty and progress on a Fissile Material Cutoff Treaty;
- Implementing multinational management of the civilian nuclear energy fuel cycle with strict standards for safety, security, and nonproliferation of nuclear weapons, including eliminating reprocessing for plutonium separation;
- Strengthening the International Atomic Energy Agency’s capacity to oversee nuclear materials, technology development, and its transfer;
- Adopting and fulfilling climate change agreements to reduce carbon dioxide emissions through tax incentives, harmonized domestic regulation and practice;
- Transforming the coal power sector of the world economy to retire older plants and to require in new plants the capture and storage of the CO2 they produce;
- Vastly increasing public and private investments in alternatives to carbon emitting energy sources, such as solar and wind, and in technologies for energy storage, and sharing the results worldwide.
The Clock is ticking.
-Science and Security Board, the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists
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Meanwhile, back at the reality ranch, not much to get excited over:

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More hype. Just like the article at National Geographic (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/01/120106-harp-seals-global-warming-sea-ice-science-environment/?source=hp_dl1_news_seals20120110) about poor baby seals being killed by Global Warming.
Add that one to the “end of the world” in December 2012 crazy theories!
We are all doomed in 2012!…….
They would say that anyway, wouldn’t they…global warming CO2 scare
means more nuclear power needed, and that is what their jobs are on about.
“Happiness is a warm fast breeder.”-T-shirt from an old Nuke engineer I knew.
My worry; Iran. North Korea, Pakistan.Syria.
August,1939…
Jump on the band wagon.
■Adopting and fulfilling climate change agreements to reduce carbon dioxide emissions through tax incentives, harmonized domestic regulation and practice;
■Transforming the coal power sector of the world economy to retire older plants and to require in new plants the capture and storage of the CO2 they produce;
■Vastly increasing public and private investments in alternatives to carbon emitting energy sources, such as solar and wind, and in technologies for energy storage, and sharing the results worldwide.
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Why not just call it like it is and save credibility. Nuclear power is a viable energy resource. Leave the bullsh*t out.
@Merrick
Yeah that was the original angle I looked into and found and amazing correlation with the political winds of the day.
(now my rant)
But don’t look specifically for a left /right election bias…dig deeper…
Most of the ‘predicted’ or assumed changes we flat wrong and most of the other changes were defacto changes. I need to dig a bit further and try to explain this concisely, but check out a few examples:
1960 and 1963 plus 10 minutes; their justification? From good old Wiki…
“In response to a perception of increased scientific cooperation and public understanding of the dangers of nuclear weapon. … a series of coordinated, worldwide scientific observations between nations allied with both the United States and Soviet Union- between years 1957 and 1958 and Pugwash Conferences on Science and World Affairs …”
The reality…we had The Bay of Pigs, Cuban Missile Crisis (hello atomic science guys…Sputnik was all about throw weight…not some warm fuzzy Pigwash hope and change crap) and the start of the US involvement in Vietnam…which of course had been going on pretty much since Uncle Joe didn’t have to worry about his neighbors to the West. (Historically correct term avoided to prevent idiots from proving it.)
1988, 1990 and 1991 plus 14 points. Why? Communism failed. Did they predict it? Orwell did. Do they credit the Pope, Reagan or Thatcher (shout out to Brian Mulroney, eh!) whose policies contributed? Or if you by into the Levi’s and Rock and Roll Theory even better as it was even MORE predictable right?
But did they? Nope, they added minutes after the fact.
Bias?
How long is the backlash period? How long after policy is enacted is a change felt?
I feel like our four-year political cycle often causes for overlap and mis-appropriation of blame concerning such affairs. Samesies happens when we’re all blaming each other for spending too much money, the effects of policy changes are rarely felt right away. Right?
If I’m totally wrong, can you explain? Are such time lapses taken into consideration? Does policy have an immediate affect? Or do actions and events speak louder than legalistic words, meaning: is something like launching Sputnik going to affect the clock faster than signing a nuclear arms agreement with someone, and thus the clock is affected in real time?
Honest questions, go easy on me.
You can’t help bad luck.
Watermelons do not use RS (real science) they use BS (bureaucratic science)
Even down here in New Zealand our government is pushing the AGW scam, and we have a National Party in power (National = Republican…Right Wing).
To blame a trace gas in the atmosphere (CO2…Plant Food) is beyond stupid, it is downright idiotic,
as in mad daft dumb barmy batty crazy dotty inane inept nutty potty silly absurd simple stupid and
MORONIC.
Mike Wryley says:
January 10, 2012 at 7:16 pm
One definition of atomic, “very small, infinitessimal”
Yeah I always liked ‘quantum leap’…metaphorically speaking…having never actually been able to leap that far…
That is a piece of “conventional wisdom” or “urban myth” that I don’t believe is true. I don’t believe even a full on nuclear war would destroy the Earth’s inhabitants. It would likely do severe damage to a lot of area, but it wouldn’t destroy everyone on the planet once, let alone “several times over”. That statement is complete and utter nonsense.
Everything that organization has to say from that point forward is pure bunk. What was amazing from Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the number of SURVIVORS. Many of those weapons are smaller tactical nuclear warheads. We were playing a football game at Ground Zero in Hiroshima on New Year’s Day (Atomic Bowl) in Hiroshima in 1946. Don’t get me wrong, they certainly would be destructive, but particularly in modern cities built to modern building codes, there would be much less destruction from most of these weapons than people have been led to believe. The worst case damage would likely be due to the increase in environmental strontium-90 which is still found in soils today from open air testing in the 1950’s and 1960’s. The notion that it would kill everyone on the planet, though, is pure fantasy.
@Crispin in Waterloo
Excellent points. I agree with you, but they have no interest in debating you. No different than the debates with Hansen et al…Mann is there an echo in here?
My point is we can’t debate them. Warm fuzzy lies defeat cold hard fact unfortunately in many public debates.
crosspatch says:
January 10, 2012 at 10:00 pm
The world still has approximately 19,500 nuclear weapons, enough power to destroy the Earth’s inhabitants several times over.
“That is a piece of “conventional wisdom” or “urban myth” that I don’t believe is true.”
It is as true as: One guy can impregnate every woman in the world.
Maybe the “Love Guru” can when he Returns from Almora.
@Happyhippierose
Great questions. Very intuitive in my opinion, which is worth a lot to me. However, I am too tired to answer you in a serious manner tonight. But I am working on something that I think will maybe tie up some lose ends. Maybe tomorrow if this thread still has life or I will find at your Happy hippie place, lol.
thank you, not only for getting back to me, but for considering me “insightful.”
get back to me when you have time, i’d love to know your answers. maybe i’ll poke around the interwebs for some research on the matter. and do come over to my happy hippie place, it’s rather charming. tmrw’s post will have a couple LOLs =)
Wow, one minute closer to doomsday because of lack of action on reducing CO2 emissions. Let these inane, moronic, educated imbeciles; remove 190 ppm CO2 from the air and it is midnight now. (I mean true doomsday, with millions dead and war all over the world) Instantly all crops produce 10% to 15% less food, or we have to plant 10% to 15% more food and find 10% to 15% more water.
I have nothing of value to contribute, but I do need to vent my spleen.
I am sick and tired of being held to ransom by tax-funded ‘experts’ of dubiuos credentials (thanks ‘Andrew’) who demand that I hand over my freedom to choose, and a large wad of cash…or I and my loved ones will die!
I doubt I will ever see, face to face, any of the folk who signed off on this press release. But if I did they would suffer the wrath of my finger wagging rant. Yet every week or so I receive another death threat via the MSM, because of another bogus weather related catastrophe…. unless I pay now!
I can forgive the ‘Atomic Scientists’ their silly clock, and the hooplah involved. But I cannot forgive the cavalier way they bestow doom upon us all. That makes it personal!
“… the world is doomed to a warmer climate, harsher weather, droughts, famine, water scarcity, rising sea levels, loss of island nations, and increasing ocean acidification.”
What happened to conquest, war, famine and death? Or plagues of frogs? Or plagues of boils? Honestly, these people aren’t trying. With a bit of thought, they could have really gone over the top.
Andrew says: January 10, 2012 at 4:51 pm members of Board of Bulletin of Atomic Scientists.
Right at the the bottom (and assuming he’s still there) Robert Socolow
Socolow is the codirector of Princeton University’s Carbon Mitigation Initiative
He keeps interesting company on the Deutsch Bank Climate Change Advisory Board, set up in 2008 and in their Annual report with these members:
Members of the Climate Change Advisory Board
Lord Browne, Managing Director and Managing Partner (Europe), Riverstone
Holdings LLC and former CEO of BP
John Coomber, Member of the Board of Directors, Swiss Re and Chairman, The
Climate Group
Fabio Feldmann, CEO, Fabio Feldmann Consultores and former Executive
Secretary, Brazilian Forum on Climate Change
Amory B. Lovins, Chairman and Chief Sientist, Rocky Mountain Institute
Lord Oxburgh, Member of the Advisory Board, Climate Change Capital and Former
Chairman of Shell
Dr. R. K. Pachauri, Chairman, Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
Professor Hans Joachim Schellnhuber, CBE, Founding Director of Potsdam
Institut for Climate Impact Research
Professor Robert Socolow, Co-Director, The Carbon Mitigation Initiative and
Professor, Princeton University
Professor Klaus Töpfer, Former Minister for Environment, Germany
Professor Hongren Zhang, Former President, International Union of Geological
Science and former Vice Minister of Geology and Mineral Resources, China
The simple answer to all this is to stop educating idiots beyond their capacity to understand!
DaveE.
The most scientificist of scientists believe … . Great logic there – starting with the word “believe.” Abandoning science in the name of science to serve Mann.
The DOOMSDAY CROCK is at midnight, doomsday media 2012 is in full swing.
It is appropriate they should have a fictional clock for fictional problems.
And they are a bit full of themselves by pretending to save the world as their cause. The article was no more than support for a one world government redistributing the wealth as they see fit with no regard for commerce and free enterprise.
They seem to have forgotten that the “midnight” of nuclear weapons was what they called “nuclear winter”.
If global warming were to happen sometime, then it would only lessen the effects of nuclear winter.
Or perhaps their crazy logic is now that because there are so few nuclear weapons, there is no longer the weapons to bring about the nuclear weapons to force the massive cooling which is all that will save us from the dire consequences of getting a bit warmer and earlier spring flowers.
In other words, their real concern is that there are now too few nuclear weapons … to make anyone pay them any attention at all!
This stupid clock was always a ludicrous way to display what some people assumed was a risk about something or other.
Frankly, I’m amazed that anyone could care less what this so-called “Doomsday” clock says.
As a fellow Canuck, who grew up in the AECL bedroom town of Deep River, Ont.,I have some sympathy with your rant. But you need to proof a bit better before hitting ‘Send’. I twitched as I read
Anyhow, you may be able to un-lax sometime this winter or spring. If the next couple of research steps at the LPPhysics.com project are successful, scientific break-even using an a-neutronic fusion process (the opposite of LENR, more like VHENR!), in a tiny widely deployable waste-free ~5MW generator, will be achieved, and thus establish that unlimited (peak-free) electric power is within immediate grasp. Every ‘renewable’ (and eventually conventional, as deployment accelerates) power source will be economic roadkill (think 5-50X cost ratios) within 5 yrs. .
I wonder what the BAS members will do for a living then …
http://like-my-photo.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/nagasaki2.jpg
Notice that every single reinforced concrete structure survived pretty much intact. The reason why Nagasaki and Hiroshima *looked* as bad as they did was because most of the construction was fairly flimsy wooden structures. You will see nearly identical damage in Tokyo from conventional incendiary bombing:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Tokyo_1945-3-10-1.jpg
This is a very important issue that people should think about as more third world despotic governments gain access to nuclear weapons. The likelihood of there being such a weapon used will probably increase. What has to stop is the irrational hysteria that is spread about them and an irrational fear of radiation that is borne out of ignorance. What has also astonished scientists has been the fact that so many survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki lived normal life expectancies after. There were no greater incidence of cancers among long term survivors than the rest of the population. In other words, if you didn’t get so much radiation that it killed you early, you probably would likely lead a normal life. A Hiroshima size weapon detonated in a major city today would likely see the majority of the buildings survive. Flying glass would likely kill more people than the actual bomb itself. It would be the resulting panic from fear of radiation that would do more damage to the population than the bomb itself. Heck, you could immobilize an entire US metro area today by releasing a completely harmless amount of radiation but enough to show up on radiation monitors just out of shear panic. We had people taking iodine pills in the US from completely harmless (but detectible) amounts of radioactive iodine from Fukushima. The fear of radiation and the surrounding panic would be a more potent weapon than the radiation itself.
According to Johnny Guitar Watson, it was 3 hours past midnight in 1956, so isn’t 5 minutes to midnight an improvement?
And I feel fine.