by Zeke Hausfather , Steven Mosher, Matthew Menne , Claude Williams , and Nick Stokes
[Note: this is an AGU poster displayed at the annual meeting, available here as a PDF. I’ve converted it to plain text and images for your reading pleasure. I’m providing it without comment except to say that Steven Mosher has done a great deal of work in creating a very useful database that better defines rural and urban stations better than the metadata we have available now. – Anthony]
Introduction
Large-scale reconstructions of surface temperature rely on measurements from a global network of instruments. With the exception of remote automated sensors, the locations of the instruments tend to be correlated with inhabited areas. This means that urban
ares [sic] are probably oversampled in surface temperature records relative to the total land surface that is actually urbanized.
It has long been known that urbanized areas tend to have higher temperatures than surrounding less developed (or rural) areas due to the concentration of high thermal mass impermeable surfaces (Oke 1982). This has led to some concern that changes in
urban heat island (UHI) effects due to rapid urbanization in many parts of the world over the past three decades may have been responsible for a portion of the rapid rise in measured global land surface temperatures. This concern is reinforced by lower
observed trends in some interpretations of satellite measurements of lower tropospheric temperature over land areas during the same period (Klotzbach et al 2009).
An analysis of the impact of urbanization on temperature trends faces multiple confounding factors. For example, an instrument originally installed in a city frequently will have warmer absolute temperatures than one in a nearby rural area (especially at night), but will not necessarily show a higher trend over time unless the environs change in such a way that the UHI signal is altered in the vicinity of the instrument. Similarly, microsite characteristics that may be unrelated to the larger urban environment can have
notable effects on temperature trends and act counter to or in concert with the ambient UHI signal.
Moreover, the definition of urban areas is subject to some uncertainty, both in terms of how urban form is characterized and at what distance from built surfaces urban-related effects persist. Published station metadata often includes outdated indications of whether a station is urban or rural, and instrument geolocation data can be imprecise, out of date, or otherwise incorrect.
There is also uncertainty over how much explicit correction is needed for urban warming in global temperature reconstructions, and how well homogenization techniques recently introduced in GHCN-Monthly version 3 both detect and correct for inhomogenities
arising from changes in urban form.
To address these issues and obtain a more accurate estimation of the impact of urbanization on land temperature trends, we examine different urbanity proxies at multiple spatial resolutions and urbanity selection criteria through both simple spatial
weighting and station pairing techniques. This study limits itself to unadjusted average temperature data, though we will examine homogenized data in the future to see how much of the UHI signal is removed.
Methods
We examine GHCN-Daily version 2.80 temperature data rather than the more commonly used GHCN-Monthly data as it contains significantly more stations, particularly during the past thirty years, and allows for separate examination of maximum and minimum
temperatures. A relatively high spatial density of stations is useful to allow sampling into various urban and rural station subsets while minimizing biases due to loss of spatial coverage. After excluding stations that have fewer than 36 months at any time in the
period of record or at least one complete year of data during the 1979 to 2010 period, we are left with 14,789 stations.
A complete set of metadata is calculated for each station using the station location information provided in station inventories and publically available GIS datasets. These datasets include: Distance From Coast (0.1 deg), Hyde 3.1 historical population data (5
arc minute), 2000AD Grump Population density (30 arc seconds), Grump Urban Extent, Land use classes from the Harmonized Land Use inventory (5 arc minutes), radiance calibrated Nightlights (30 arc seconds), ISA- Global Impervious Surfaces (30 arc
seconds), Modis Landcover classes (15 arc seconds), and distance from the closest airport (30 arc seconds). In addition, area statistics at progressive radii are calculated around each putative site location.
Stations are then divided into two classes based on various thresholds for urbanity and two analytical methods are used to estimate the bias in trend due to urbanity: a spatial method and a paired station approach. The spatial averaging method relies on
solving a set of linear equations for the stations in each class. For each group of stations, urban and rural, a time series of average temperature offsets was created by fitting the model:
where T represents the observed temperature for each station, month and year, L is a local average temperature for each station for each month (incorporating seasonal variation) and G is the desired global (or regional) average, varying by year. This is fitted
with a weighting that is inversely proportional to a measure of station density. With a G calculated for both urban and rural, the trends can be compared.
The pairwise method proceeds with the same classification of stations and the following steps are taken. An urban base pair is selected based on the length of record. To qualify as a base urban pair a station must have 30 complete years of data in the 1979-2010 window.
Ten out of 12 months of data are required to count as a complete year. For every urban base station rural pairs are selected based on distance and data overlap. For every urban base station the rural stations are exhaustively searched and all those rural pairs within 500km are assigned to the base station. Since rural stations may have short records the entire rural ensemble is evaluated for data overlap with the urban base pair. 300 months of overlap are required. If the collection of rural stations has less than 300 months of overlap with its urban pair, it is dropped from the analysis. A weighting function is deÞned in the neighborhood of each urban station, which diminishes with distance and is zero outside a certain radius. An average trend is computed for the rural stations within that radius by fitting the model
where t is time in years, and B is the gradient. This trend is then compared with the OLS trend for the central urban station. The differences in the shapes of the distributions of the trends is a function of the number of stations that form the trend estimation.
Urban trends are trends for individual stations, while rural trends are the result of computing a trend for all the rural pairs taken as a complete ensemble.
Discussion
While urban warming is a real phenomenon, it is overweighted in land temperature reconstructions due to the oversampling of urban areas relative to their global land coverage. Rapid urbanization over the past three decades has likely contributed
to a modest warm bias in unhomogenized global land temperature reconstructions, with urban stations warming about ten percent faster than rural stations in the period from 1979 to 2010. Urban stations are warming faster than rural stations on average across all urbanity proxies, cutoffs, and spatial resolutions examined, though the underlying data is noisy and there are many individual cases of urban cooling. Our estimate for the bias due to UHI in the land record is on the order of 0.03C per decade for urban stations.
This result is consistent with both the expected sign of the effect and regional estimates covering the same time period (Zhou et al 2004) and differs from some recent work suggesting zero or negative UHI bias (Wickham et al, submitted).
Stricter urbanity proxies that result in a smaller set of rural stations show larger urban-rural differences in trend. The upper limit on UHI bias between rural and urban stations is on the order of 0.06 to 0.1C per decade. However, these cases are clearly problematic from the spatial coverage aspect, as the number of rural stations becomes vanishingly small when the most stringent filters are applied. Adopting cutoffs that define rural less strictly leads to more reasonable spatial coverage and an estimate of UHI bias in the record that converges on 0.02C to 0.04C per decade across the proxies. The station pair approach avoids this issue by limiting the analysis to areas with both rural and urban stations available, but has limited global coverage and excludes large areas in India and coastal China where rapid urbanization has been occurring in recent decades.
It is likely that homogenization will further reduce the observed UHI-related bias, as many urbanity biases are detectable through break-point analysis via comparison to surrounding rural stations. We are currently in the process of using the Pairwise Homogenization Algorithm (Menne and Williams 2009) on GHCN-Daily data to examine the effects in more detail. However, it remains to be seen to what degree UHI bias can be removed via homogenization in areas like coastal China and India where there are few rural stations and where station densities are not particularly high in the current version of GHCN-Daily. In any case, the acquisition of additional station data outside of urban areas in these parts of the world would likely be benefitial.
Acquiring more accurate station location data will allow us to use higher-resolution remote sensing tools to identify urban characteristics below the 5 km threshold, and better test effects of site-specifc vs. meso-scale characteristics on urban warming biases. In addition, validated site locations allows for more refinement in the definition of rural stations as a function of distance from urban cores of various sizes.
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crosspatch
‘Places away from airports, away from towns, away from heavy ag use are probably going to give you are more accurate climate signal. More stations just means more chances for noise and makes it harder to see any signal. Heck, a collection of stations on Islands in the various oceans might even be good enough but in general, I would want a network of isolated stations about 250 miles from each other.”
yes, however you have to be careful with your geographic selection.
Coast and Island trends are markedly lower than inland trends, even when the coastal
station is urban. Its dominated by the SST trend. The network would have to represetative
in Latitude and not be overly heavy in coastal stations.
At some point I’ll work up what that sampling has to look like based on the percentage of land
by latitude band and percentage of coast by latitude band. But a smaller more representaive
sample is way better than thousands of stations 10s of km apart.. at least for climate.
Phil
“Given that Barrow would likely be classified as a “rural” station in the lower USA based on population alone, and that this study assumes that the mean UHI for “rural” stations is zero, I think one could question whether this study significantly underestimates the “rural” mean UHI trend bias.”
Well, I love the Barrow study. The nice thing is that I used my rural proxy to identify rural stations.
Then I checked it against some rather famous cases that I love, like barrow. The barrow study
used a rural network. So I can actually test whether my method says they are rural.
One of the rural stations used in the Barrow study has been turned into a CRN station.
I classify Barrow proper ( the city) as URBAN. I do this on the basis of 500 meter satillite data.
Population has nothing to do with how I classify sites. I classify the surrounding CRN station at Barrow
as Rural. that is, the SAME station used in the UHI study of Barrow that was classified by them
as rural was classified by my method as rural.
basically, I did some independent test of the rural proxy to make sure that it picked out rural
stations.
I have a write up on that but there is way too much work behind this for one paper.
“Interesting work.
You say;
“Ten out of 12 months of data are required to count as a complete year.”
Do those ‘missing months’ vary-i.e one record misses out January and February, whilst another misses out June and July?
How is the missing data accounted for?
tonyb
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The complete year test is only used for selecting the urban base pair.
That is I look through all urban stations to find those with 30 years in the 1979-2010
window. This is needed only for the pairs study. As you note 10/12 months counts as
a full year. There was no test for which months are missing out. Of course, I can simply
redo the test requiring all 12 months and the number of urban stations selected as base pairs
will go down. That takes 1 minute. Not sure if the answer would say anything about urban Bias.
In general here is what happens as you increase the data quality: Negative trends disappear.
That is maybe 10% of the urban trends you see are actually negative. If you move to
12 of 12 months those negative trends diminish. Also, as you move away from the coast
negative trends diminish.
With some of Carricks help I may be closer to explaining most of the spurious negative
trends that you see in the station trends. Some odd balls will persist, like dwarfs and giants.
Ron says:
December 6, 2011 at 6:06 am
Are there really no stations in Brazil? It is a small map, and I have bad eyes, but I am not seeing a dot, either blue or red, in Brazil.
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remember this is GHCN DAILY. so as it stands there are no stations there that meet the data
quality standard. we could always bring in data from other repositories
Bruce says:
December 6, 2011 at 7:28 am
“Summer land surface temperature of cities in the Northeast were an average of 7 °C to 9 °C (13°F to 16 °F) warmer than surrounding rural areas over a three year period, the new research shows. The complex phenomenon that drives up temperatures is called the urban heat island effect.”
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/heat-island-sprawl.html
They looked at 42 cities.
Zeke, NASA says 7C to 9C in the summer. You say .03C per decade. Does your data show 7C – 9C in the summer? If not, why not? What is wrong with your methodology? How do you plan to correct it?
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Bruce you are referring to Imhoff’s study and I’m not sure that you quite understand it.
I’m pretty sure you havent read both of his studies. If you want to claim you have
then I’ll gladly ask you some test questions. we will save that bit for later. for now…
1. Imhoff looked at cities where the urban area varied from 10sq km to several hundred
sq km. So, first off you are comparing apples to oranges.
2. Imhoff compared the average LST ( not air temp) over the entire urban form to the LST
of the rural landform 5 to 10km outside the city. Measuring UHI by LST
will overestimate the difference. put another way, you cant compare SAT with LST
3. Imhoff did not calculate a Tave in the same way that the temperature record does.
His Tmin is not a Tmin. Its the LST taken at 130AM. His Tmax is not a Tmax
it is the LST at 130PM.
4. The difference in temperature between a big city and the rural zone around it
has Nothing to do with the trends in the network we worked with.
5. Our Rural sites are actually more rural than Imhoff’s rural as his is based on distance
from the edge of the city.
Like Imhoff we show a increase in trend with the increasing area of the urban form. So our work meshed pretty well with his ( heck I used his data ) The difference is this. to create his methodology he picked areas with huge urban forms. Guess what?
A. there are not that meany of those
B. UHI reaches a limit. And that means it doesnt show up in the trend.
steven mosher says:
“More stations just means more chances for noise and makes it harder to see any signal… however you have to be careful with your geographic selection.”
My repeatedly asked question has never been answered: who cherry-picks the thousands of stations that were eliminated? Job security is a powerful motivator. Without knowing who dropped all those stations, it is reasonable to conclude that it was done with an eye toward skewing the results.
Before objecting, name the perps.
Smokey
“My repeatedly asked question has never been answered: who cherry-picks the thousands of stations that were eliminated? Job security is a powerful motivator. Without knowing who dropped all those stations, it is reasonable to conclude that it was done with an eye toward skewing the results.
Before objecting, name the perps.
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Huh?
I start with 77,000 stations.
I eliminate about 50,000 of those because they dont collect temperature. Go figure.
Of the 26000 remaining I eliminate around 12000? why? They have records
with either
A. less than 36 months of data over this 384 month period
B. less than 1 complete (12 month) year of data.
This is not GHCN data.
steven mosher says:
the issue is that as you lose spatial coverage ( <50%) you tend to migrate northward.
That means your rural stations will come from higher latitudes. Higher latitude have
higher trends, due to polar amplification, so that you are confounding the UHI bias
estimate by introducing a latitude bias in your rural selection.
Again, that the right answer is difficult to achieve does not make the wrong answer more correct.
You are imposing the necessity of a “rural selection” of existing stations upon yourself. If you cannot arrive at the correct answer by selecting from existing station data using stringent rurality criteria, then that is the result that you should report.
If a sufficient number of rural stations do not exist in the mid latitudes to correctly reconstruct a surface temperature from the weather station proxy, then you don’t just do it anyways. You report that the the current network is not sufficient for that purpose.
mosher, I asked a simple question that you avoided answering.
Where is the 7C to 9C UHI found by NASA’s satellite?
Surely you would want to corroborate your “findings” with an alternative method of finding UHI.
It appears you did not find the UHI values NASA did. Either they are wrong or you are. Since they are trying to measure UHI directly, I’ll suggest you are underestimating UHI by a large amount.
Mosh on a posting binge is an impressive sight :-p
JJ,
You are correct. The coverage of unpopulated areas is obviously insufficient. The thermometers have been placed where the people are. Move on to the satellites, and ocean heat content.
steven mosher says:
December 6, 2011 at 11:53 pm
“kwinterkorn says:
December 6, 2011 at 10:39 am
Changes in land use within the “rural” designation may also be significant. If forests and wild grasslands are put under the plow to feed the growing world population (and fuel for cars), then the “rural” designation is confounded, and a true mixed urbanization/cultivation of wild lands bias on averaged global temps may be present.”
Sorry, I got that covered as well. The rural sites are selected by looking at the 380sq km
around the site. We determine that there is no “built” areas within that zone. We can also look
at the land use in those same areas ( you will see some of that in the presentation) So, I can
tell if there has been changes to amount of cropland and amount of grassland in these rural
areas. In general there are slight changes in these variables and those slight changes do not
explain the trends seen. Conversely, the trends seen at the urban stations ARE a function
of the amount of urban area.
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So, you have all that land-use change (empirical) data, all the way back to ~1880?
I’d reckon a guess of back to ~1980 at the earliest…..
steven mosher says:
“Huh?”
An appropriate response, since you didn’t read the posts I was referring to, and therefore you made a wrong assumption.
My comment on December 6, 2011 at 11:41 a.m. above is a good starting point. In particular, click on the last link in that post. Look at what happened between 1990 and 2010. [The other links are also relevant.]
Who cherry-picked the stations that were eliminated? After reading that post you will understand that I was not being critical of you or your article. I simply want to know who, exactly, decided to eliminate most of the temperature recording sites.
Did they have any scientifically defensible procedure for which sites, urban or rural, were eliminated? Or is this simply another addition to the mountains of evidence that government agencies are deliberately skewing the temeperature record?
Steve and Zeke,
You have a fair number of blue dots that are apparently on islands. What kind of trend do they show?
Heat Waves in Southern California: Are They Becoming More Frequent and Longer Lasting?
Don.
I’ll have to look at them precisely. Islands and coastal stations have much lower trends
primarily because they are modulated by SST. In fact the effect of being near the coast is
more important than urbanization.
JJ
“You are imposing the necessity of a “rural selection” of existing stations upon yourself. If you cannot arrive at the correct answer by selecting from existing station data using stringent rurality criteria, then that is the result that you should report.
If a sufficient number of rural stations do not exist in the mid latitudes to correctly reconstruct a surface temperature from the weather station proxy, then you don’t just do it anyways. You report that the the current network is not sufficient for that purpose.
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I think you misunderstand. The issue is what happens to your sampling error due to spatial coverage
So: with 5000 rural stations You have a bias estimate and an error on that estimate
When you drop to 1000 stations classified as rural, you bias goes up, BUT so does your
error, It’s a balance between the two. Very hard to adress in the limited space of
the poster world. At the extreme imagine if I defined rural as having no built pixel within
1000 km. Would you use that one station versus all the rest to measure the MEAN bias
in the entire sample? hardly, Imagine if I told you that the most rural station compared to
the 14000 other stations only had a . 04C bias? Why youd say that it was crazy to pick the most rural to compare to all the others. So, we present the curves.
Bruce
‘Where is the 7C to 9C UHI found by NASA’s satellite?
Surely you would want to corroborate your “findings” with an alternative method of finding UHI.”
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first off you have to start with the source of that data and understand that they are looking at an entirely different thing than we are.
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“In terms of the UHI, we calculated the average temperature
differences (LSTurban core – LSTrural) for 323 US cities
at summer (June, July, August) daytime (1:30 PM). As
expected, the UHI responses for the two sets of ISA were
significantly related, with a positive correlation of 0.94
(Figure 2B). On average, we found that UHI of Landsat
ISA was not different from that of Nightlight ISA at
the 0.05 significance level. For both ISAs, the amplitude of
summer daytime UHI appears to be related to the standing
biomass of the surrounding biome decreasing from forests
(7 C), grass–shrubs (4 C), and then to almost no heat island
or sometimes a heat sink in arid cities (0 C). One of the
major contributions of such UHI differences in biomes is
the role of vegetation during the process of precipitation,
evaporation, and photosynthesis (Imhoff et al., 2010).
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Several things to note that you fail to realize since you didnt read the paper.
1. The UHI they measured was UHI in LST. That is Land Surface Temperature. As I have
tried to explain many times LST is different than SAT. LST is the temperature of the surface
This is both HIGHER THAN SAT ( surface air temperature ) and more variable than SAT.
If you read the paper would would have seen that early in in the description and you would
have read that the two measures are not comparable. SAT is taken at 2m above the surface
That is what the temperature record is SURFACE AIR TEMPERATURE
2. The way they measure UHI is different from the way we measure. They take two readings
one at 130AM and one at 130PM. We take Tmin ( which happens towards dawn) and Tmax.
So the two figures are not comparable.
3. They restrict their measure of temperatures to cloudless days. So they measure a peak
UHI. As we all know wind, rain, clouds all cause lower UHI. For them to take a measure
ment they need to select days that are 99% cloud free. Peak UHI is not the measure that we are after. A peak UHI that only occurs on a few days cant be found in a monthly average
where all days of the month are averaged. Now did the peak occur? sure. Was it 7C
in SAT? no. it was 7C in the LST which is higher than SAT. Here is the tiny slice of
data that they look at:
“We use MODIS Aqua Collection 5, 8-day composite LST
with high quality control (Wan and Dozier, 1996) and 16-
day composite NDVI (Huete et al., 1994; 1997) at 1 km 6
1 km resolution covering the time period 2003–2005. LSTs
from the MYD11A2 product are retrieved from clear-sky
(99% confidence) observations at 1:30 PM (daytime) and
1:30 AM (nighttime) local time using a generalized splitwindow
algorithm (Wan and Dozier, 1996). The comparisons
between MODIS LSTs and in situ measurements across
a wide set of test sites indicate the accuracy is better than 1 K
with a root mean square (RMS) (of differences) less than
0.5 K in most cases (Wan, 2008; Wang et al., 2008). LST
observations are used to characterize the horizontal temperature
gradient across the urban area, and NDVI is used to
describe the vegetation density temporal variation for each
urban zone.”
4. The Peak UHI ( 7C ) is only found in a special class of urban environment
You need a HUGE urban area embedded in a forest biome. In
our data there are not many of these types of urban areas. I think there might
be a handful of urban stations that have 400 sq km of built area. you need
in excess of 700 sq km of urban area to generate that kind of UHI.
There is a linear relationship between the % of area that is covered
and the UHI. So, the problem is that you quote the worst case
number for the worst case type of city, for a period of 8 days.
We look at the trend over 30 years> Trends are different
than absolute temperature differences. Further you wont
find those kinds of cities in our data. over 5000 of our sites had NO built
pixels for 11 km around the site.
For our 9000 Urban stations
1. 50% of the urban stations were located in areas that had less than
7 sq km of built area
2. 75% had less than 30 sq km of built area
As figure 5 in the paper you referenced shows this is the UHI you can expect to see
as a function of Urban Area. Im surprised you didnt see this. you did read the
paper, right?
A. For cities with > 500 sq km 4.7C ( average of both seasons tested)
B for cities with 50-500 sq km 3.7C
C for cities with 10-50 sq km 2.7C
50% of our urban sites fall below the 10 sq km tested in this study.
So basically, you dont see 7C in our work because a) we are looking at decadal trends
NOT 8 days of cloud free weather. b) we measure SAT which is LOWER THAN LST
c) we measure tave, not the temp at 130PM and AM. d) we dont have cities
that sized in our data.
I wish you would read papers rather than google the abstract. If you want a copy of the paper, just do what I did.
Smokey
“Who cherry-picked the stations that were eliminated? After reading that post you will understand that I was not being critical of you or your article. I simply want to know who, exactly, decided to eliminate most of the temperature recording sites.”
you are pointing to ENTIRELY DIFFERENT DATASET than the one we use.
that is GHCN MONTHLY. we use GHCN DAILY.
The stations that go into MONTHLY are decided by the COUNTRY REPORTING THE DATA.
If they decide to report a monthly figure to GHCN Monthly, then it goes in. Please understand
the acronymn
G = Global
H = Historical
C = Climate
N = Network
This was a project that was completed some time ago back in the 90s. Historical records were collected and QA’d. Finished. Updates to the series depend upon countries supplying the
data. They stop supplying monthly data, the station disappears.
With the data we used DAILY, you have a set of stations were the countries agree to
supply daily data. last week 500 stations were added to the list. So there is no one person who decided to “drop” stations. The HISTORICAL collection was made in the 90s and then
certain countries decided to continue to send data for a subset of their data.
Finally, the station drop out does not matter. we proved that a dozen times.
steven mosher,
It doesn’t matter to me about the ‘station drop out’. As I asked: “Who cherry-picked the stations that were eliminated? After reading that post you will understand that I was not being critical of you or your article. I simply want to know who, exactly, decided to eliminate most of the temperature recording sites.”
Got names?
Smokey
1. The stations were not cherry picked, so your question makes no sense. The stations
were not eliminated, so your question makes no sense.
2. I’ve explained the proceedure, no one at NOAA decided what stations countries
choose to report.
3. Over the period in question you can bet that various people at various NWS have
decided to stop reporting monthly figures for stations. They may choose to report
Daily, for example.
4. Fewer NWS send there reports into NOAA. If you want to know the name of the people
at the NWS at 280 reporting countries have decided not to report, then you have 280
letters to write. Get busy
steven mosher,
I suspect you’re deliberately misunderstanding what I asked. You stated that the stations that were eliminated were not cherry-picked. You know this, how?
It appears to be misdirection to say, “no one at NOAA decided what stations countries choose to report.” I’m concerned about how my tax money is spent, so let’s just confine the cherry-picking to U.S. stations. As you can see, between around 1990 and now, thousands of stations in the U.S. have been eliminated. What was the criteria? Was it an honest, documented policy, or was it arbitrary?
Since you unequivocally stated that “1. The stations were not cherry picked…“, then there must be a documented procedure for determining which stations remained, and which were eliminated. You put yourself forth as a knowledgeable expert, so I’m asking again: who is/was the decision maker regarding which stations would be eliminated? I’m not arguing. It’s a straightforward question.
Say what you will about cherry picking, but there is a clear difference between the data systematically reported by the met services of various countries (as evidenced by monthly summaries shown at “tu tiempo”) and the subset available through GHCN. The latter inexplicably fails to update many reltively trendless small-town records in Turkey, China and many other countries beyond 1990, while religiously providing results from trending urban stations.
mosher:
“The way they measure UHI is different from the way we measure. They take two readings
one at 130AM and one at 130PM. We take Tmin ( which happens towards dawn) and Tmax.
So the two figures are not comparable.”
That means NASA’s UHI could have been underestimated.
Have you compared the UHI in NASA’s 42 cities to the same 42 cities in your dataset? Have you found similar patterns of UHI?
If not, why not? Aren’t you interested in confirming whether you are even close to being right?
Sunshine:
“That means NASA’s UHI could have been underestimated.
Have you compared the UHI in NASA’s 42 cities to the same 42 cities in your dataset? Have you found similar patterns of UHI?
If not, why not? Aren’t you interested in confirming whether you are even close to being right?”
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1 wrong, if anything the UHI would be over estimated. It’s pretty simple once you understand how UHI works. But you can read this study and see that in detail in the hourly data
for a couple cities in texas.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=10&ved=0CHEQFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fams.confex.com%2Fams%2Fpdfpapers%2F126615.pdf&ei=D3biTpmuLaSZiQLB0eHdBg&usg=AFQjCNFXuXjv6LbLu65fEGqPkexcQw_Leg&sig2=yqwoIeQP8PU_vkIX_yaduA
2. Imhoff does not list his 42 cities. Over 50 % of our urban sites are smaller than the smallest
cities that Imhoff looked at. 75% of our urban areas have less than 30 sq km of
urban surface. Which would fall in his smallest category of city. In short,
3″ Have you found similar patterns of UHI?.” The two studies are asking entirely different
questions. In Imhoff’s study he selects cities of certain sizes. Then he measures the LST
at 130am and 130 PM. LST is higher than SAT. the two are not comparable.
I can explain it for you but I cannot understand it for you.
read this
http://land.umn.edu/documents/Urban_heat_island–Impervious__RSE_paper.pdf
See table 1: LST runs anywhere from 0K warmer to 11K warmer versus Tave
calculated from Tmin and Tmax.
Since we have SAT measures we CANNOT compare those to LST. we cannot
and would not for the following reason. LST is not used to build the land record
so estimating the UHI in the SAT record by looking at LST would be pointless.
Also any differences in UHI measured by LST and that measured by SAT would
be pointless as LST measures one thing and SAT measures an entirely different
thing. That said, we do find a simllar relationship between the SiZE of the
city and the size of the bias. That is, there exists a linear reationship
between the size of LST UHI and the size of the city. There is also a linear relationship
between the size of the city and size of the SAT bias. BUT, the SAT bias is smaller
than the LST bias for a variety of reasons. Further we are looking at TRENDS.
Not 8 special days in the summer.