Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
In the New York Times, there’s an article on some research that suggest a slight shrinkage of plants and animals with warming. In the “you can’t make this up” department, here’s the illustration:
Figure 1. A big frog collected a while ago and a small frog collected more recently, which clearly proves that the frog on the left is larger than the frog on the right
The idea that creatures shrink in warmer climates seems at odds with the giant dragonflies and the dinosaurs and the like that lived when it was somewhat warmer than now. But that’s not the reason I brought this up. The beauty is in the press release.
First, the lead researcher is quoted as saying:
They cautioned that it was too early to make detailed predictions. “Things start falling apart as we try to make generalizations and impose more levels and hierarchies into our hypotheses,” Dr. Bickford said.
OK, that seems sound. Then the hyperventilating begins:
If all animals were to engage in coordinated shrinking it might not be so bad, the researchers speculate. But if, say, mice are shrinking faster than snakes, the snakes may not be able to capture enough of the mice to meet their energy requirements.
So we’re already off on the ship of speculation, miniature mice and “uncoordinated shrinking”. Reuters picks up the story, with Bickford again quoted:
“We have not seen large-scale effects yet, but as temperatures change even more, these changes in body size might become much more pronounced – even having impacts for food security.”
One supposes that they thought that wasn’t scary enough. Here’s the real capper:
“Impacts could range from food resources becoming more limited (less food produced on the same amount of land) to wholesale biodiversity loss and eventual catastrophic cascades of ecosystem services.”
So it’s too early to make detailed predictions, they’ve never seen this in nature, only in the lab … but they are willing to predict the changes might impact food security, make snakes chase smaller mice, limit food resources, cause wholesale biodiversity loss, and at the end of the day, they break out the big guns, it might end up in, wait for it, catastrophic loss of entire ecosystems …
But it’s too early to make predictions.
This reminds me of a headline I once saw in the “National Enquirer”, an American tabloid newspaper. The big print said
Two Headed Boy Found In Jungle!
Not satisfied with the impact of that, they had added a smaller sub-headline that said
Raised By Wolves Until 14!
But that still didn’t have the punch they wanted, so a sub-sub-head was added that said
Mother Teresa Rushes To Investigate!
These kinds of claims, that it’s too soon to tell but it might cause total ecosystems to crash, should be called “Enquirer Science.” Here’s my submission for the first headline:
Two Sizes Of Frogs Found In Jungle!
Clear Signal of Future Ecosystem Collapse!
Well-Funded Scientist Rushes To Investigate!
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[UPDATE] A reader pointed to the Daily Telegraph, which has this:
Animals ‘shrinking’ due to climate change
Polar bears are shrinking because of the impact of climate change on their natural habitats, along with many other animals and plants, researchers say.
Figure 2. Obligatory polar bear picture. Two thirds of the worlds polar bears could be lost in fifty years. I thought they had a better sense of direction than that.
I must confess, I find the idea of leetle teeny polar bears quite appealing …
Seems to me that any organism would benefit from small size – requires less food! So how come we’re not all really teensy? (…looks up at night sky…) Never mind…
I dont see how you can assume frogs are shrinkiing form observing 2 frogs. If one were to observe patrick ewing (7′) or manute bol (7’6″) 20 years ago and compare them to Elijha Wood (5’6) then you could say global warming has shrunk humans too.
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Horror film of the millennium ‘The Revenge of the Shrinking Frogs from AGW’ is opening Halloween night in a theatre near you. In some IPCC enthralled areas it will be followed by the campy sci-fi flick ‘An Inconvenient Truth’.
Note to parents: AIT will require parental presence for anyone not a PHD in PNS.
John
“I dont see how you can assume frogs are shrinkiing form observing 2 frogs.”
Haven’t you ever heard the expression “one point defines a curve, two points defines a family of curves” before? 😉
A very amphiguous finding.
“But if, say, mice are shrinking faster than snakes, the snakes may not be able to capture enough of the mice to meet their energy requirements.”
Surely, the bigger, slower mice are eaten by the snakes first at present so mice are at their optimal size. If mice get smaller then snakes will also get smaller – and faster.
Ian H says:
October 19, 2011 at 3:31 pm
“The link between optimal size and temperature is real, but applies only to warm blooded creatures that need to maintain a body temperature above ambient.”
There might be a link. But the hypothesis that optimal size for warm blooded creatures decreases as temperature increases is false. In Florida, there are small squirrels. So, there is a link. But nothing else is smaller. Florida Hawks are larger than Virginia Hawks. Florida Raccoons are larger than Virginia Raccoons. And so on.
Brian H… what are you spewing? Please, post English and maybe I can reply. GW appears to have added a bit too much CO2 between your ears.
NotTheAussiePhilM…maybe I should have rephrased my post. Hope the following clears it up (and no, I don’t think the Earth is 6000 years old, but neither do I believe in the Big Band theory the way I understand it).
They claim: warm weather slightly shrinks plants and animals.
The lead researcher says: “… But if, say, mice are shrinking faster than snakes, the snakes may not be able to capture enough of the mice to meet their energy requirements.”
My post: I assume the lead reaearcher is part of the crowd that believes in evolution … but then he said the above statement which IMO appears at odds with evolution … so, what am I missing? The answer is that GW is not about science… it’s about an agenda.
I look forward to the shrinking headline.
I have a breeding colony of frogs in my garden pond. And yes, I too have big ones and small ones. Obviously it’s global warming that’s to blame for the differences in size. After all, it’s not like the small ones were spawned this spring is it?
Oh, wait…
Regarding the borderline argument from incredulity in the second paragraph: Giant dragonflies and other giant insects are famous from the Late Carboniferous (Pennsylvanian), a period that was in the grip of a massive ice age, and the reason was probably largely the elevated oxygen content (>30%).
The dinosaur size is more complex, but likely influenced by nutrient levels, which were relatively low in the land plants until flowering plants evolved in the Cretaceous; there is often a trend to evolve large body size in herbivores when only nutrient poor plants are available.
TomRude: today’s elephants and rhinos are significantly smaller than the mammoths and wooly rhinos of past glacial maxima.
Since we live in an expanding universe, it is not that they are shrinking, it is that their expansion is RETARDED. All things being relative of course.
Say what? Reply to what? I didn’t address you, or even notice that you had posted. … Oh, now I see. I was discussing The Real Goracle, not the local pseudonymous one, yourself.
P.S. to Pseudonymous Goracle;
I generally agree with your posts. Don’t knot up your knickers.
OT?
The above (hilarious) Monty Python vid led me to another and then another, where I heard the following:
“But Mr Figgis is no ordinary idiot. He is a lecturer in idiocy at the University of East Anglia.”
Spooky.
Honey, I shrunk the frogs!
I really like the “What if the mice shrinks faster than the snakes” bit. Makes you think.
What if the snakes shrink faster? Will the buzzards starve? And if the buzzards disappear, what will the wind farms feed on?
Or will the then relatively larger mice beat up the small snakes for old times sake?
We will have to build snake asylums where the evil mice can’t get at them.
The mind is beboggled.
My question is though, if they have actually witnessed this in Nature, are they sure the animals are the same ages, have had the same amounts of food supply, are geneticlly related (of the same mother & father), and various other control measures you usually have in place when running experiments! Answer; Proabably NOT. Just run a computer model & it will tell them the answer eh!
Ye mockers and scoffers! You may laugh, but where I live there are already lots of smaller humans around. Mostly seen early mornings and late-ish afternoons, and all day during school holidays. Oh, wait …
Obviously I am going to have to stop wearing long-Johns and heavy pants in the winter. My spouse probably wouldn’t approve of having `the size of my biodiversity shrink”.
The big frog was captured in 1980 and the small one in 2008. I find it quite natural that the old frog is bigger than the young one.
Oh wait..
The utter ignorance is almost is almost sending me into despair. A story with an ‘illustrative’ picture like that on a website of a renowned newspaper – the NY Times for gods sake…… it would be laughable if it wasn’t so unbelievably sad. What oh what have we come to ????
Sorry Brian… when you said “Goracle”, I assumed you were talking about my pseudonym and not the father of the web.
Simply amazing.
They can detect albedo changes in forests, but cannot detect UHI in cities or the GHCN.
Ooops! My comment showed up on the wrong thread. This was for the next story about piney beetles!